CooperC62057 said:

Dibblekins said:

Did we ever find out if he had pills on his person, as was originally reported / suggested?

If not, I would be inclined to think he was coming down from his bedroom, as that is where the bottles of tablets were discovered, no?
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I keep going back to an interview I had seen early on with one of the tv doctors (don't remember which), wherein they stated that death would have occurred quickly with the fentanyl - pretty sure (and again, correct me if I'm wrong) they were describing taking the pill in the elevator and immediately becoming unconscious. So, I am just wondering if he could have been in his studio, got into the elevator to go up to bed, taken the pill and collapsed. Doesn't explain the backward clothes though.

Very good points. There was some speculation in prior posts that those who found Prince clothed him afterwards, perhaps that is why the clothes were on backwards. There is no indication of this happening, just speculation. Others thought Prince took the pill, started to panic, hastily got dressed, clothes backwards.

Dibblekins said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, the first floor, meaning "ground floor". When Prince would not answer calls to his room, his staff went to go look for him and when they opened the elevator, they discovered him unresponsive, as you already know.

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We don't know if he was going upstairs or trying to come downstairs. I haven't heard confirmation of that.

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I would think that if he fell ill in his studio, he would have called for help and would not have been able to make it to the elevator, imo.

Did we ever find out if he had pills on his person, as was originally reported / suggested?

If not, I would be inclined to think he was coming down from his bedroom, as that is where the bottles of tablets were discovered, no?
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Yes. All the reports stated that there was a bottle of pills in Prince's back pocket, as well as other pills in his personal bag and in his room (private living quarters), as you know.

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The fact that his clothing was on "backwards" leads me to believe he was coming down from his bedroom (private living quarters), unless he made it a habit of wearing his clothes backwards when he was in the studio, which seems rather odd, imo.

CooperC62057 said:

Dibblekins said:

Did we ever find out if he had pills on his person, as was originally reported / suggested?

If not, I would be inclined to think he was coming down from his bedroom, as that is where the bottles of tablets were discovered, no?
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I keep going back to an interview I had seen early on with one of the tv doctors (don't remember which), wherein they stated that death would have occurred quickly with the fentanyl - pretty sure (and again, correct me if I'm wrong) they were describing taking the pill in the elevator and immediately becoming unconscious. So, I am just wondering if he could have been in his studio, got into the elevator to go up to bed, taken the pill and collapsed. Doesn't explain the backward clothes though.

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Carver County Sheriff made a statement that they had "surveillance", but did not say whether they had footage of Prince in the elevator. I don't like to think about that imagine in my head, because it's just really horrible.

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Statement from Sheriff Olson:

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QUESTION: Sheriff, were there surveillance cameras at Paisley Park and do you have them?

OLSON: That is -- that will be part of the investigation. I don't want to comment on that right now.

QUESTION: Sheriff, does it appear that he used elevator because he felt he was about to pass out or was unable to take the stairwell? Did he have access to stairways or was he getting on the elevator intentionally?

OLSON: Yes, he certainly does have access to stairways. Paisley Park, again, is a big place.

And I don't think it would be unusual for him to use the elevator. The staircases are pretty long. So I don't think that would be unusual. If that's why he took the elevator or not, I can't say.

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http://transcripts.cnn.co...cg.01.html

XxAxX said:

cloveringold85 said:

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XxaxX: I agree with you.

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Also, this thread is supposed to be discussions about "Prince", not:

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"Chemtrails" are bullshit
Vaccinations are good. They don't cause autism and you should vaccinate your kids
There is no Illuminatti
The election was not rigged
There is no "DaVinci Code"
9/11 was not an inside job
Man has landed on the moon
Crop circles are man made
There's no Bigfoot or Loch Ness Monster
Paul McCartney is alive
ESP, telekineses, Astrology, and magic are not real
The earth revolves around the sun
Man made climate change is not a hoax
You can eat Pop Rocks and drink soda
Cell phones don't cause cancer

......................................................................None of the above has anything to do with Prince!

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Clearly, if he has issues with the above topics, he needs to find the appropriate thread for those disussions.

right. to be clear, i've enjoyed Herb's company over the years as he is intelligent, articulate and fun. but i really resent it when other people who disagree with my curiosity about non-mainstream subjects attempt to shame me into backing down or becoming silent on a subject they might not enjoy/believe in.

this thread is for all theories and i specifically disagree with Herb's take on the topics listed above.

again, this is not meant as an attack on Herb. moreover, i'm sure my preachy old lady take on this is likely fairly annoying to him why can't we all just get along??

^^^This^^^

Since I didn't get back to respond before the other thread self-locked, I'm gonna throw this out here: to say that Prince could get drugs anywhere legally and no one would have known about it is to disregard the comment that a Walgreen's employee had supposedly spoken about medication he was picking up there on the 20th. Yes, there are laws protecting medical information, but people can and do talk, all the time...I know it personally because I've worked in the medical profession for almost 30 years. A big fat paycheck to divulge private info is a powerful motivator for a lot of people. The only way to be certain your info stays private is to personally see to it yourself for anything that needn't involve another person. Getting narcotics illegally would not leave a trail, especially if others helped out with that.

LBrent said:

XxAxX said:

right. to be clear, i've enjoyed Herb's company over the years as he is intelligent, articulate and fun. but i really resent it when other people who disagree with my curiosity about non-mainstream subjects attempt to shame me into backing down or becoming silent on a subject they might not enjoy/believe in.

this thread is for all theories and i specifically disagree with Herb's take on the topics listed above.

again, this is not meant as an attack on Herb. moreover, i'm sure my preachy old lady take on this is likely fairly annoying to him why can't we all just get along??

^^^This^^^

right. Prince is the guy who first made me aware of and turned me onto discussions about things like chemtrails and the illuminati.

so in my opinion, topics about far-out theories such as moon landings etc., magic, astrology, vaccinations, crop circles and such - whether or not Prince himself espoused or discussed them - to my way of thinking are things he might have enjoyed reading about.

therefore they are eligible for inclusion on this specific thread because he seemed to have been an open-minded person, willing to consider even the most outlandish theories. this is just my take on the issue.

cloveringold85 said:

BTW fentanyl bioavailability when ingested is about 30% and have large therapeutic width. Wonder how much must be ingested to reach toxic amount in blood? Just saying.

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nelcp777 said:

CooperC62057 said:

Dibblekins said: I keep going back to an interview I had seen early on with one of the tv doctors (don't remember which), wherein they stated that death would have occurred quickly with the fentanyl - pretty sure (and again, correct me if I'm wrong) they were describing taking the pill in the elevator and immediately becoming unconscious. So, I am just wondering if he could have been in his studio, got into the elevator to go up to bed, taken the pill and collapsed. Doesn't explain the backward clothes though.

Very good points. There was some speculation in prior posts that those who found Prince clothed him afterwards, perhaps that is why the clothes were on backwards. There is no indication of this happening, just speculation. Others thought Prince took the pill, started to panic, hastily got dressed, clothes backwards.

It is not speculation the backwards clothes came from the unamed source who spoke to the media.

No one on this board came up with the backwards clothes. It would seem like a strange thing for someone to make up so I believe it may be true.

We really do not know where he was in the building. We only know that they said he had be dead for 6 hours so sometime around 2:00 or 3:00 so maybe he was up working started to feel sick or maybe he was in his room.

So many hugh pieces of information are missing because the police have kept a tight lid on the investigation. I expect all hell to break loose if and when they close the investigation or actuallly arrest someone.

Agree.

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

Very good points. There was some speculation in prior posts that those who found Prince clothed him afterwards, perhaps that is why the clothes were on backwards. There is no indication of this happening, just speculation. Others thought Prince took the pill, started to panic, hastily got dressed, clothes backwards.

It is not speculation the backwards clothes came from the unamed source who spoke to the media.

No one on this board came up with the backwards clothes. It would seem like a strange thing for someone to make up so I believe it may be true.

We really do not know where he was in the building. We only know that they said he had be dead for 6 hours so sometime around 2:00 or 3:00 so maybe he was up working started to feel sick or maybe he was in his room.

So many hugh pieces of information are missing because the police have kept a tight lid on the investigation. I expect all hell to break loose if and when they close the investigation or actuallly arrest someone.

Thanks for the clarification and information.

cloveringold85 said:

Dibblekins said:

Did we ever find out if he had pills on his person, as was originally reported / suggested?

If not, I would be inclined to think he was coming down from his bedroom, as that is where the bottles of tablets were discovered, no?
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Yes. All the reports stated that there was a bottle of pills in Prince's back pocket, as well as other pills in his personal bag and in his room (private living quarters), as you know.

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The fact that his clothing was on "backwards" leads me to believe he was coming down from his bedroom (private living quarters), unless he made it a habit of wearing his clothes backwards when he was in the studio, which seems rather odd, imo.

that sounds odd to me. Prince wore stretchy, lycra-like pants. this is just my opinion, but it seems unlikely he would have had a bottle of pills back there in his pocket.

now this is weird i know, but somehow i just cannot shake the feeling that he was placed in the elevator by someone who was with him that night. someone who was trying to help him when he OD'd, but did not want to be investigated by the authorities.

we all keep saying how we would never have left him alone. i think it's likely that his close friends probably felt the same way and there really was someone there that night.

honestly i just cannot shake a mental image of him being dragged to the elevator. don't know why. obviously my impression could be completely wrong

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Didn't they find him on the first floor, where the Musicology ticket display is now? None of this makes sense.

XxAxX said:

XxAxX said:

laurarichardson said:

XxAxX said:

that sounds odd to me. Prince wore stretchy, lycra-like pants. this is just my opinion, but it seems unlikely he would have had a bottle of pills back there in his pocket.

now this is weird i know, but somehow i just cannot shake the feeling that he was placed in the elevator by someone who was with him that night. someone who was trying to help him when he OD'd, but did not want to be investigated by the authorities.

we all keep saying how we would never have left him alone. i think it's likely that his close friends probably felt the same way and there really was someone there that night.

honestly i just cannot shake a mental image of him being dragged to the elevator. don't know why. obviously my impression could be completely wrong

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--- I have been thinking someone put him in that elevator since the police said they knew of eyewitnesses a few weeks ago. Eyewitness to drug purchases, use or death. Knowing what we know about how Prince did not like carrying stuff in his pockets and that he was dropped off by someone that evening makes me think someone may been with him. The police were vague about security cameras and obviously they are not going to say who dropped him off. This case is still open because they have a lead and I think they may not have enough evidence to charge anyone but I think someone was with him that night. [Edited 12/1/16 10:57am]

i've also read that over the years. he didn't even carry a wallet, others did that for him

IF the scene was staged, imo it was maybe not a friendly thing.

found in the elevator (lyrics: don't let it bring you down), and the backward clothes symbolizing that he was disgraced (google bodies buried facing down), or even an evil pun consistent with his song lyrics "Face down, just like Elvis" are also maybe not a friendly thing.

so in addition to the theory of a publicity-shy friend who might have been present, i've also been wondering who could have been there on the sly, carrying a grudge, who had access to the Park in some kind of (service?) capacity.

maybe might have been an unbalanced stalker turned employee?, or disgruntled ex-employee with copies of the master keys? perhaps a discarded/spurned/delusional lover like the individual who hacked his twitter account and made rude remarks about him like "i'm prince, all i do is sit on the computer all day looking for celebs to bang" remember that?

there just seem to be too many weirds about all of this.

of course, being me, i also wonder if he staged his own death, using a body double who had passed on naturally or from an OD (many celebrities employ them) after news of his illness/OD became public. that's what i would have done, had i been in those hypothetical shoes.

certainly he referred to and enacted his own death (sacrifice of victor, christopher tracy died, under the cherry moon ending etc.) more than once. it was a theme in his songs.

so maybe he made the decision to leave it all behind. as in, ta world! i'm off to deal with my health crisis in private. i don't want TMZ stalking me while i heal, and i don't want you all to watch me battle my illness.

which might be consistent with kirk going off allegedly to switzerland a few days after Prince's passing. that seems such an unlikely move unless one considers that there are clinics in switzerland where radical treatments are permitted, but banned here in the states...

rationally i know my theories are likely not true and i will likely never have answers i'm not entitled to, but emotionally i still want anwers.

What about DNA? I am open to anything at this point, but what about the DNA testing to determine heirs?

I was noticing P's teeth in an older pic from the 70s and wondered if anyone found out from before when his teeth were being discussed...Did he get invisible braces? Cuz they sure looked a bit different to me when he was smiling on Lopez.

Always adorablly bunnywabbit-ish, but different.

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LBrent said:

oliviacamron said:

LBrent said:

I was noticing P's teeth in an older pic from the 70s and wondered if anyone found out from before when his teeth were being discussed...Did he get invisible braces? Cuz they sure looked a bit different to me when he was smiling on Lopez.

Always adorablly bunnywabbit-ish, but different.

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Awww , Prince's bunnywabbit teeth

bunnywabbit... lol.

nelcp777 said:

CooperC62057 said:

Dibblekins said: I keep going back to an interview I had seen early on with one of the tv doctors (don't remember which), wherein they stated that death would have occurred quickly with the fentanyl - pretty sure (and again, correct me if I'm wrong) they were describing taking the pill in the elevator and immediately becoming unconscious. So, I am just wondering if he could have been in his studio, got into the elevator to go up to bed, taken the pill and collapsed. Doesn't explain the backward clothes though.

Very good points. There was some speculation in prior posts that those who found Prince clothed him afterwards, perhaps that is why the clothes were on backwards. There is no indication of this happening, just speculation. Others thought Prince took the pill, started to panic, hastily got dressed, clothes backwards.

The report didn't say anything about the clothes being on backwards, he had black socks, pants, top, grey undershirt, black briefs and black cap.

PennyPurple said:

LBrent said:

laurarichardson said:

XxAxX said:

that sounds odd to me. Prince wore stretchy, lycra-like pants. this is just my opinion, but it seems unlikely he would have had a bottle of pills back there in his pocket.

now this is weird i know, but somehow i just cannot shake the feeling that he was placed in the elevator by someone who was with him that night. someone who was trying to help him when he OD'd, but did not want to be investigated by the authorities.

we all keep saying how we would never have left him alone. i think it's likely that his close friends probably felt the same way and there really was someone there that night.

honestly i just cannot shake a mental image of him being dragged to the elevator. don't know why. obviously my impression could be completely wrong

[Edited 12/1/16 10:00am]

--- I have been thinking someone put him in that elevator since the police said they knew of eyewitnesses a few weeks ago. Eyewitness to drug purchases, use or death. Knowing what we know about how Prince did not like carrying stuff in his pockets and that he was dropped off by someone that evening makes me think someone may been with him. The police were vague about security cameras and obviously they are not going to say who dropped him off. This case is still open because they have a lead and I think they may not have enough evidence to charge anyone but I think someone was with him that night. [Edited 12/1/16 10:57am]

Please don't blast me for asking...where is the part about the eyewitnesses? I am playing catch up and somehow missed that. Thank you for your patience.

laurarichardson said:

LBrent said:

I was noticing P's teeth in an older pic from the 70s and wondered if anyone found out from before when his teeth were being discussed...Did he get invisible braces? Cuz they sure looked a bit different to me when he was smiling on Lopez.

Always adorablly bunnywabbit-ish, but different.

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/-He might had caps or veneers put on but he had some work done on his teeth.

Agree that he had work done, as back in the day there appeared to be gaps between the teeth which in later years appeared to be gone

oliviacamron said:

PennyPurple said:

The report didn't say anything about the clothes being on backwards, he had black socks, pants, top, grey undershirt, black briefs and black cap.

It was leaked by an official. I contacted the reporter who reported this and see if it was really true and he said yes it was. Prince's socks were inside out and his pants and shirt on backwards. I read also that he would have died almost immediately.

Ok Thank you, I did forget that you had said that before.

This totally GUTTED me...I didnt know you had it confirmed Olivia..!!!!

I thought it was just some stupid conspiracy rumour...

There is no way he put his clothes on like that...

WHat are the chances of putting all four items on the wrong way...????

He was so impeccible..always...there is just NO way he would put his clothes on like that..

(I KNOW..

I just repeated myself.....)

Dear GOD...

How can someone so dear and precious,

One who always Praised your Glories come to such an awful pitiful end...?

oliviacamron said:

PennyPurple said: It was leaked by an official. I contacted the reporter who reported this and see if it was really true and he said yes it was. Prince's socks were inside out and his pants and shirt on backwards. I read also that he would have died almost immediately.

joytotheworld said: