laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

-- I doubt you are worth 300 million. I do not doubt for one minute that he could have made more money but maybe he did not want to make anymore. Everybody has there own threshold as far as money is concerned maybe he reached his. After he pissed off WB he beat everybody's expectation to end up with 300 million. In addition he did blow through lawyers he simply changed up with a new every few years none have anything bad to say about him. He knew when to move on. I have also laid out the possibility that he may have a trust or moved assests into his LLC. We just do not know all of his finacial details because so many financial details have been sealed by the court. The only real issue with his estate right now is the Duane spawn and I hope you realize if he had a will it could have been contested so wills are not the be all. Also remember Bremer is a wealth management firm who he did business with for over 30 years and they described his empire as being vast. We do not know everything he had going on.

It won't take them long to burn thru his "vast empire". In fact idk if his estate can make enough money to stay ahead of the legal costs at this point. Right now it's a mad dash to get Prince to bring money in. And he's not even here anymore. But they will use his name, his memory and his legacy any way they can to keep the cash flowing. They basically have to. His empire is only as vAst as the trust's ability to use what Prince left behind to try and turn a profit with it. His wealth was not tangible. His wealth depended upon him continuing to work and release music. How much is a bunch of recorded stuff in a vault worth? It's very subjective. It ain't worth anything just sitting there.

You know, he said in an interview a couple of years ago that he had to tour to make money. I think that means two things: his shows were a lucrative business venture for him and the shows increased sales of the music releases. And I think it's in that order, mainly because he was clear. He said: "I don't need to record the way I used to, but I have to tour because I have responsibilities." That's as close to a direct quote as my memory can allow.

So, Prince is not here to tour any more. They can rely on his name and legacy but he is not here to bring in the money from touring. They will do whatever they need to do to keep this ship afloat. Some of it will seem tacky to us but we should remember that he is not hear to generate revenue any more.

Personally I wish they would keep PP as a live music venue, recording venue, and maybe even a music school. I think it needs more than proceeds from being a museum. And they do need to capitalize on whatever music they can release or re-release.

teach49 said:

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said: It won't take them long to burn thru his "vast empire". In fact idk if his estate can make enough money to stay ahead of the legal costs at this point. Right now it's a mad dash to get Prince to bring money in. And he's not even here anymore. But they will use his name, his memory and his legacy any way they can to keep the cash flowing. They basically have to. His empire is only as vAst as the trust's ability to use what Prince left behind to try and turn a profit with it. His wealth was not tangible. His wealth depended upon him continuing to work and release music. How much is a bunch of recorded stuff in a vault worth? It's very subjective. It ain't worth anything just sitting there.

You know, he said in an interview a couple of years ago that he had to tour to make money. I think that means two things: his shows were a lucrative business venture for him and the shows increased sales of the music releases. And I think it's in that order, mainly because he was clear. He said: "I don't need to record the way I used to, but I have to tour because I have responsibilities." That's as close to a direct quote as my memory can allow.

So, Prince is not here to tour any more. They can rely on his name and legacy but he is not here to bring in the money from touring. They will do whatever they need to do to keep this ship afloat. Some of it will seem tacky to us but we should remember that he is not hear to generate revenue any more.

Personally I wish they would keep PP as a live music venue, recording venue, and maybe even a music school. I think it needs more than proceeds from being a museum. And they do need to capitalize on whatever music they can release or re-release.

TEACH49: I so agree you on PP. It could and should be all these things! PP would be full of life and energy. That would be such a magnificent way for him to be remembered and for his legacy to continue!! It would take some hard work, and fancy footwork, but it could be done!!!

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

--- So Tkya was grieving for two years because he was retiring! Come on she was his sister not a fan. I know it is hard to hear it but dude was sick with something.

Her comments were foolish no matter which way you see it. She should have known better than to say something like that then not elaborate. Prince didn't want to leave yet. He wasn't done. He was making plans for the future. He had a good life for the most part besides for the drug dependency thing and I'm sure he thought he could manage that himself until very recently. His loved his home. He loved performing and creating. He was getting into a bad way with his pill popping. I think that's obvious. And that is what she was referring to. She knew he had reached a dark point in his battle. He was probably hitting bottom or whatever they say you have to do before you can get real help? That's what was going on the last two years. it seems perfectly logical to me.

He was hitting bottom two years ago? He knew he would be overdosing two years ahead?

Her comments may be the real comments Prince made to her what is foolish about the truth.

She is also a human being who lost her brother. Try having some fucking feelings for other people and stop thinking about how you feel.

He did have plans for futures and he may have spent the last years preparing for the time he was not going to be around. He came off as being a straight forward person by all accounts. Why would he not be straight with his sister about his future.

1Sasha said:

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: -- I do not think the first thing Breamer did was still open the vault. The first thing they did was secure Paisley Park and look for a will. The news was reporting dumb shit the first week after he died.

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Yes, but they had no business being inside PP doing ANYTHING, while a criminal investigation was going on. The Carver County Sheriff made so many mistakes. They waited too long to get the FBI and the DEA involved, in my opinion. Who knows who was walking around inside PP and "tampering" with evidence and removing items from PP. We just don't know!!

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But like I said......if Prince gave Tyka "instructions" on what to do (as she stated), then WHY didn't she have the code to unlock the Vault?

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Once they officially became the admin they were within their rights to go in to PP. The police must have cleared the area because the family had the memorial at PP. So once Tkya went to the court and named Breamer as the admin they had the right to go in.

I do not think opening the vault was their first activity and even the engineers who worked at PP said that only Prince had the key. Tyka was not involved in enginerring or maintaining music at PP.

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said: What female friend in the islands?

Laura, I read this yesterday. Oh God, I'll try to find it. It was said that she was a platonic friend, that he would go and stay at her house. The person who commented said this woman was devastated after his death. I'll try to find it for you. I know he had the T & C compound, but T & C wasn't mentioned in the post with reference to this woman.

Laura, in the Associates forum here on the org: #139 dated 10-01-16. That is the reference.

RoyalDutch said:

1Sasha said:

I understand what you are saying. In my mind I keep going back to Manuela's statement about the leeches and hangers-on around him. I know many orgers do not like her, but perhaps that was the most truthful comment about his life that anyone around him has made in the past nearly six months. Whatever their personal differences, she might have seen something the public never did.

Sasha: can you please explain what you mean by the hangers around Prince? What did Manuela say?

She made two different comments, actually. I am paraphrasing, but the first was that she didn't want him to end up like Charlie Sheen, and the second was about the people he had around him. Both statements were posted here on this site. The impression I got was that everyone around him wanted something from him, usually money.

1Sasha said:

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

--- So Tkya was grieving for two years because he was retiring! Come on she was his sister not a fan. I know it is hard to hear it but dude was sick with something.

Her comments were foolish no matter which way you see it. She should have known better than to say something like that then not elaborate. Prince didn't want to leave yet. He wasn't done. He was making plans for the future. He had a good life for the most part besides for the drug dependency thing and I'm sure he thought he could manage that himself until very recently. His loved his home. He loved performing and creating. He was getting into a bad way with his pill popping. I think that's obvious. And that is what she was referring to. She knew he had reached a dark point in his battle. He was probably hitting bottom or whatever they say you have to do before you can get real help? That's what was going on the last two years. it seems perfectly logical to me.

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teach49 said:

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said: It won't take them long to burn thru his "vast empire". In fact idk if his estate can make enough money to stay ahead of the legal costs at this point. Right now it's a mad dash to get Prince to bring money in. And he's not even here anymore. But they will use his name, his memory and his legacy any way they can to keep the cash flowing. They basically have to. His empire is only as vAst as the trust's ability to use what Prince left behind to try and turn a profit with it. His wealth was not tangible. His wealth depended upon him continuing to work and release music. How much is a bunch of recorded stuff in a vault worth? It's very subjective. It ain't worth anything just sitting there.

You know, he said in an interview a couple of years ago that he had to tour to make money. I think that means two things: his shows were a lucrative business venture for him and the shows increased sales of the music releases. And I think it's in that order, mainly because he was clear. He said: "I don't need to record the way I used to, but I have to tour because I have responsibilities." That's as close to a direct quote as my memory can allow.

So, Prince is not here to tour any more. They can rely on his name and legacy but he is not here to bring in the money from touring. They will do whatever they need to do to keep this ship afloat. Some of it will seem tacky to us but we should remember that he is not hear to generate revenue any more.

Personally I wish they would keep PP as a live music venue, recording venue, and maybe even a music school. I think it needs more than proceeds from being a museum. And they do need to capitalize on whatever music they can release or re-release.

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I agree. It would be wonderful for them to start a school in his honor, if not PP, then somewhere in Chanhassen.

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said: Her comments were foolish no matter which way you see it. She should have known better than to say something like that then not elaborate. Prince didn't want to leave yet. He wasn't done. He was making plans for the future. He had a good life for the most part besides for the drug dependency thing and I'm sure he thought he could manage that himself until very recently. His loved his home. He loved performing and creating. He was getting into a bad way with his pill popping. I think that's obvious. And that is what she was referring to. She knew he had reached a dark point in his battle. He was probably hitting bottom or whatever they say you have to do before you can get real help? That's what was going on the last two years. it seems perfectly logical to me.

He was hitting bottom two years ago? He knew he would be overdosing two years ahead?

Her comments may be the real comments Prince made to her what is foolish about the truth.

She is also a human being who lost her brother. Try having some fucking feelings for other people and stop thinking about how you feel.

He did have plans for futures and he may have spent the last years preparing for the time he was not going to be around. He came off as being a straight forward person by all accounts. Why would he not be straight with his sister about his future.

I guess it depends on how much stock you put in what Tyka said. Apparently people on here are not believing what she said. On the surface Tyka has no reason to lie but maybe she does. I am not accusing her of anything, it's just that her famous brother was well known for toying with the press too.

SPRAKA said:

laurarichardson said:

He was hitting bottom two years ago? He knew he would be overdosing two years ahead?

Her comments may be the real comments Prince made to her what is foolish about the truth.

She is also a human being who lost her brother. Try having some fucking feelings for other people and stop thinking about how you feel.

He did have plans for futures and he may have spent the last years preparing for the time he was not going to be around. He came off as being a straight forward person by all accounts. Why would he not be straight with his sister about his future.

I guess it depends on how much stock you put in what Tyka said. Apparently people on here are not believing what she said. On the surface Tyka has no reason to lie but maybe she does. I am not accusing her of anything, it's just that her famous brother was well known for toying with the press too.

Tyka is not at her brother's fame level so why would she toy with the press?

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, but they had no business being inside PP doing ANYTHING, while a criminal investigation was going on. The Carver County Sheriff made so many mistakes. They waited too long to get the FBI and the DEA involved, in my opinion. Who knows who was walking around inside PP and "tampering" with evidence and removing items from PP. We just don't know!!

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But like I said......if Prince gave Tyka "instructions" on what to do (as she stated), then WHY didn't she have the code to unlock the Vault?

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Once they officially became the admin they were within their rights to go in to PP. The police must have cleared the area because the family had the memorial at PP. So once Tkya went to the court and named Breamer as the admin they had the right to go in.

I do not think opening the vault was their first activity and even the engineers who worked at PP said that only Prince had the key. Tyka was not involved in enginerring or maintaining music at PP.

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So, you don't feel that the fact that Tyka did not have the "code" or the "key" to the VAULT is not strange to you, based on what she said about her brother "Prince" giving her "instructions"?.

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In my opinion, that would have been one of the first things to do! Only Lord knows what will happen to all his music from the VAULT. And, they just recently discovred another room of video tapes. This is all just one giant mess!!

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Tyka appointed Bremer Trust to handle P's estate.

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I guess no one else finds it strange. Hmmm.

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cloveringold85 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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So, you don't feel that the fact that Tyka did not have the "code" or the "key" to the VAULT is not strange to you, based on what she said about her brother "Prince" giving her "instructions"?.

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In my opinion, that would have been one of the first things to do! Only Lord knows what will happen to all his music from the VAULT. And, they just recently discovred another room of video tapes. This is all just one giant mess!!

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Tyka appointed Bremer Trust to handle P's estate.

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I guess no one else finds it strange. Hmmm.

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I find that very strange. Does anyone know if Bremer went to Tyks or did Tyka find Bremer. If it were true that Prince knew his time was limited you would think he would have given her the code to his vault. Find it strange that she mentions P told her his wishes for PP but nothing re the vault? Doubt he would have wanted Bremer in there at all. Not meaning this to sound rude but it seems as if Tyka thought her brothers mission was up....Prince seemed to mention having time left to do quite a bit more. [Edited 10/12/16 12:36pm]

The media reported that Tyka selected Bremer because P had done business with them. It was not

stated if that was recent or in the past. The time frame was not confirmed.

laurarichardson said:

SPRAKA said:

I guess it depends on how much stock you put in what Tyka said. Apparently people on here are not believing what she said. On the surface Tyka has no reason to lie but maybe she does. I am not accusing her of anything, it's just that her famous brother was well known for toying with the press too.

Tyka is not at her brother's fame level so why would she toy with the press?

She could have been instructed to say that. The people in charge of Prince's posthumous career are going to want to control the narrative.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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So, you don't feel that the fact that Tyka did not have the "code" or the "key" to the VAULT is not strange to you, based on what she said about her brother "Prince" giving her "instructions"?.

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In my opinion, that would have been one of the first things to do! Only Lord knows what will happen to all his music from the VAULT. And, they just recently discovred another room of video tapes. This is all just one giant mess!!

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Tyka appointed Bremer Trust to handle P's estate.

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I guess no one else finds it strange. Hmmm.

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I find that very strange. Does anyone know if Bremer went to Tyks or did Tyka find Bremer. If it were true that Prince knew his time was limited you would think he would have given her the code to his vault. Find it strange that she mentions P told her his wishes for PP but nothing re the vault? Doubt he would have wanted Bremer in there at all. Not meaning this to sound rude but it seems as if Tyka thought her brothers mission was up....Prince seemed to mention having time left to do quite a bit more. [Edited 10/12/16 12:36pm]

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PurpleDiamonds: And, thank you, again!! We are both thinking the same!

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I find it "highly" strange and "suspicious". The "vault" issues is just one of many!

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I believe it was Tyka who sought out "Bremer" to handle PP estate.

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I also believe that Tyka is not being 100% truthful to us about many things. I respect P's family and his sister, but her story just does not jive with other people's stories, especially with those who knew Prince, probably better than she did.

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You would THINK that Prince would have entrusted his Sister, "Tyka" with the CODE for the VAULT, given the fact that he told her he was planning "2-years", and he was "done", as she claims.. Now how do you plan to leave this earth and tell your loved one's of your intentions with PP, yet you leave out the most prized possession.....the VAULT? Come on now, we aren't stupid!!

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No, you're not being rude at all. I guess it's fair to say that we both (and others) don't feel Prince was ready to leave us!!

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zenarose said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said: I find that very strange. Does anyone know if Bremer went to Tyks or did Tyka find Bremer. If it were true that Prince knew his time was limited you would think he would have given her the code to his vault. Find it strange that she mentions P told her his wishes for PP but nothing re the vault? Doubt he would have wanted Bremer in there at all. Not meaning this to sound rude but it seems as if Tyka thought her brothers mission was up....Prince seemed to mention having time left to do quite a bit more. [Edited 10/12/16 12:36pm]

The media reported that Tyka selected Bremer because P had done business with them. It was not

stated if that was recent or in the past. The time frame was not confirmed.

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Hey, Zena!

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I guess Tyka contacted Bremer because P had used them in the past, so I guess she felt they would be the most qualified? I dunno. I would have to look it up on the dates. Prince had worked with so many lawyers/banks/trusts in his career......it's overwhelming!

SPRAKA said:

laurarichardson said:

Tyka is not at her brother's fame level so why would she toy with the press?

She could have been instructed to say that. The people in charge of Prince's posthumous career are going to want to control the narrative.

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Yes, I'm sure they (Bremer) told her what to say to the media.

cloveringold85 said:

SPRAKA said:

She could have been instructed to say that. The people in charge of Prince's posthumous career are going to want to control the narrative.

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Yes, I'm sure they (Bremer) told her what to say to the media.

Yes Mam Bemer and her lawyers. But here is a better question.....IF....IF P was ill and they knew for 2 years and IF he instructed her on PP being a museum, and cremation, ect. WHY would he not tell her where things were set up, who to see at financial institutions, where the will was(if one) and who the lawyer was that she would need to contact??? OH MY my brain is on over drive

HEY CLOVERINGOLD85

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[Trolling/hijacking snip - luv4u]

cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

I just became aware of the news report. I thought yall might be interested.

http://kstp.com/news/prince-received-out-patient-treatment-bank-trustee-drills-princes-vault-open/4119830/

The story talks about the vault, but it also talks about another issue that didn't draw a lot of attention.

Take from it what you will, as it is the media.

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Bremer Trust had no business being at PP, drilling his "Vault", while there was a "criminal investigation" going on, period!!

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It's obvious that Tyka set this all up.

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And another thing -- another reason why I don't think Tyka is being honest with us is the following:

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If Prince did in fact tell her "2-years" ago that he was "done", and wrapping things up at PP, and his health was failing (due to addiction to pain meds/or something else); DON'T YOU THINK PRINCE WOULD HAVE GIVEN HER THE DAMN CODE TO UNLOCK THE VAULT? Something that he "cherished" and "guarded" his entire life?!

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The fact that they (Bremer and whomever) "drilled" his vault open should raise a BIG red flag!!

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I don't know about you guys, but that makes me go: WTF?!!!!

You have a point here. If Prince was planning on leaving soon, either by suicide or for the fact that he had a terminal disease, surely he would have given Tyka acesso to the vault? So her comments concerning that two year frame make no sense in that context.

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MMJas : Glad to see you!

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said: --How much Real Estate do you own? I am amazed at the fact that someone who does not have even a 10th of his wealth is even commenting. Maybe that 50 million was enough Real Estate for him and maybe that 300 million was enough for him. He did not have a spouse or children so why would he have needed to amass anymore cash. He seemed happy giving it away to people and charities. Why do you think he finacial team was not sound? Did you even bother to read what the AEG Live said about Musicology tour and how much input he had in that successful tour. Do realize he was getting a million s show at one point? I could go on and on but Goggle is your friend and let me know when you make your first 300 million. V

Laura, you have no idea how much I am worth. I know what people can make in the entertainment business. You can dispute what I have said, but IN MY OPINION he did not make the money he could have or should have made at his level of importance and influence. Reportedly, he blew through advisors and lawyers at least every year, if not more frequently. Look at what is happening now with his Estate - a sound team would have insured his financial house was in order, including charitable bequests and end-of-life documents. No reasonable person can argue with the logic of this.

1Sasha, how do you know how much $$$ Prince had? The only figures that have been made public are guestimates. There is a lot that is not public about his finances. So don't take half cocked info and run with it as though it's gospel.

What if Prince had things set up just the way that he wanted them? How do you know that his assets are not protected from taxes? How do you know that there is no trust fund? Maybe Prince wanted his estate to go through probate for legal reasons. Maybe Prince made way more $$$ than is being reported, but gave it away to charities.

There are so many possibilities here, no one can just assume anything at this point.

I took the 2 year remark as perhaps Prince was finally exhausted musically, he was slowing down hence I have done all I came here to do. My opinion.

I think Tyka has done a great job with what she has had to deal with. Her legal nightmares are far from over. Prince's estate is extremely complicated.

Only Tyka knows what she meant and what she experienced with Prince in his final years. I think in the years to come, more of Prince's private life will be exposed by those around him. Some may be pleasant, some may not. Doesn't matter. In the end, we all were gifted by his artistic ability and larger than life persona.

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, I'm sure they (Bremer) told her what to say to the media.

Yes Mam Bemer and her lawyers. But here is a better question.....IF....IF P was ill and they knew for 2 years and IF he instructed her on PP being a museum, and cremation, ect. WHY would he not tell her where things were set up, who to see at financial institutions, where the will was(if one) and who the lawyer was that she would need to contact??? OH MY my brain is on over drive

HEY CLOVERINGOLD85

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I know, girl. Tell me about it!!

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You would think that his estate/finances and the vault would be "first" priority, not the museum.

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Regarding Prince's cremation. It's against the JW to "cremate", so why was it done, and so quickly? Hmmmm.

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I know what you mean.....my brain is going all over the place the past few days!

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Hang in there!

zenarose said:

MMJas : Glad to see you!

Hiya, Zena!

cloveringold85 said:

MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Bremer Trust had no business being at PP, drilling his "Vault", while there was a "criminal investigation" going on, period!!

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It's obvious that Tyka set this all up.

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And another thing -- another reason why I don't think Tyka is being honest with us is the following:

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If Prince did in fact tell her "2-years" ago that he was "done", and wrapping things up at PP, and his health was failing (due to addiction to pain meds/or something else); DON'T YOU THINK PRINCE WOULD HAVE GIVEN HER THE DAMN CODE TO UNLOCK THE VAULT? Something that he "cherished" and "guarded" his entire life?!

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The fact that they (Bremer and whomever) "drilled" his vault open should raise a BIG red flag!!

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I don't know about you guys, but that makes me go: WTF?!!!!

You have a point here. If Prince was planning on leaving soon, either by suicide or for the fact that he had a terminal disease, surely he would have given Tyka acesso to the vault? So her comments concerning that two year frame make no sense in that context.

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