cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

tmo1965 said:

strawberrylova123 said:

803 said: Yep i remember that he said that.

Well why won't they come out and say that plainly. When you're vague about things like this, it only leads to the specualtion and conspiracy theories that we see here. The media is leaving the impression that he was a straight up addict getting high for the hell of it. There are rumors that he had AIDS. Wouldn't it be better to just come out and say that Prince was addicted to pain pills, we tried to help, but he would not go into treatment?

Charles' statement can be taken different ways. One can assume that Prince was in pain for a terminal illness, for example, and was trying to put on like everything was ok. It's just not clear what they are talking about. How much $$$ are they holding out for?

The media really isn't giving the impression he was a straight up addict getting high for the sake of it - from the moment of his passing his possible addiction was mentioned in relation to his pain, and the serious press has been solemn and non-judgemental about the facts as they have presented themself, and about the relation of his death the the opiate epidemic in general. The idea he was a druggie/junkie is one I have only seen repeatedly from people complaining about that portrayal. And I think the family don't think they need to come out and say it, because the facts as they have been presented say it already.

StopIt said:

The man had poor advisors.

Medical, legal, accounting, managing, promotion, you name it.

They were and are poor advisors in their respective professions, however those are his choices.

He was terminal, he was not going to reheb, he was an artist and had a compulsion to share that (which not all artists do).

He was not going out in a hospice, or constrained to a hospital bed at others' discretions, which they were imposing on him already.

He was a control freak.

Do the math please, have some honesty with your love for the man, cripes.

If he had poor advisors why was he sitting on 50 millions in Real Estate?

ladygirl99 said:

dance4me3121 said:

The stuff about the 2 years and Prince telling Tyka "his work is done" kinda sounds like he wanted to die . Why did Prince wait 2 years ? And shouldn't Tyka have tried her best to get Prince help after he told her that?

Yup.

You do made a good point too that either way Prince wanted to die. Let's forget for a moment that he was terminal ill. Lets say he solely have some drug issues. Still Tyka said she was prepared for two years, Prince also didn't leave a will and went to sign with WB get his master's back (I bet WB already knew he was dying) and moved all of his songs from his name to his publishing company NPG Music, and he looked frailed and sick starting around 2014 (prior the man looked vibrant and happy and healthy too), made peace with the likes of Morris Day (Morris claimed he hadnt spoken to Prince in several years ), Jellybean, called Dez for the first time in 12 years, reflecting a lot during Piano and Mic Tour, have the tear in his avatar pic and the two eyes closed that all signs of a man who no longer wants to be here.

I disagree. I think it's the sign of a man who believes he sees everything all too clearly, without the restriction of the other two eyes that can easily get fooled. Only the 3rd eye sees right through it.

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cloveringold85 said:

Another unanswered question remains: Where is the video tape of Prince' Surveillance cameras on April 20th and 21st? Yea, we all heard the stories that it was "shut-off and/or the bill hadn't been "paid" and yadda, yadda, but I'm not buying that excuse; Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain and he would not have the security system turned-off, no way!!

Yes. How come the Police was called to PP on so many occasions concerning possible intruders, etc, and the cameras were conveniently off when the most important incident of them all happens at PP?

zenarose said:

1Sasha said:

How do we know Prince even agreed to do this? I don't care who made the appointment. I don't care what Judith Hill said. His beautiful self should have been put in rehab on Friday after arriving back from Moline. Shipped right up the road to Hazelden. I never want to hear "he was such a private person" again. If he did not have a terminal illness, if it was "just" a painkiller addiction: right into rehab. Who cares who knows? Dead or alive? Take your choice. We all know what happened.

I agree with you and have said so from the beginning. P had an appointment with a Holistic Dr. the

morning that he was found. That is why (news reports stated) KJ and MB showed up, to find out why he had missed the appointment. (???) AK also shows up at this time. The Attorney ( Mauzy) stated that AK had come to discuss treatment and explain how it worked. Which to me means intervention, P had no idea. How could P be in 2 places at the same time??? JH's story doesn't gel well either. She stated that P was calm during the time at the hospital. Narcan sends your system into withdrawal and makes you deathly ill. Vomiting, pain, trembling, ect., unless of course you don't have any opiods on your system. I don't think making small talk about movies would be of great interest to someone going through these symptoms. So did P even OD?? There are so many stories from "reputable" sources.... right!! They don't appear reputable to me. Everything we are being fed is officially unofficial. From start to now nothing makes sense. I test everything for truth. There is nothing to test here. The only thing that we have to go on is the Media Release from the ME on cause and manner of death. The report is officially from the ME with her name on it. Heck CCSO kept saying that outside LE was not being called in. While they were saying NO the DEA was already moving in on the case???

So you think there was no OD on the plane?
Also, do you believe JH's story? I mean, it's her word against nobody else's, really. cause nobody else who was on that plane is speaking out. Again, Kirk would know...

MMJas said:

zenarose said:

I agree with you and have said so from the beginning. P had an appointment with a Holistic Dr. the

morning that he was found. That is why (news reports stated) KJ and MB showed up, to find out why he had missed the appointment. (???) AK also shows up at this time. The Attorney ( Mauzy) stated that AK had come to discuss treatment and explain how it worked. Which to me means intervention, P had no idea. How could P be in 2 places at the same time??? JH's story doesn't gel well either. She stated that P was calm during the time at the hospital. Narcan sends your system into withdrawal and makes you deathly ill. Vomiting, pain, trembling, ect., unless of course you don't have any opiods on your system. I don't think making small talk about movies would be of great interest to someone going through these symptoms. So did P even OD?? There are so many stories from "reputable" sources.... right!! They don't appear reputable to me. Everything we are being fed is officially unofficial. From start to now nothing makes sense. I test everything for truth. There is nothing to test here. The only thing that we have to go on is the Media Release from the ME on cause and manner of death. The report is officially from the ME with her name on it. Heck CCSO kept saying that outside LE was not being called in. While they were saying NO the DEA was already moving in on the case???

So you think there was no OD on the plane?
Also, do you believe JH's story? I mean, it's her word against nobody else's, really. cause nobody else who was on that plane is speaking out. Again, Kirk would know...

Why would she lie? She knew the autopsy report would be coming out so what say he was calm if he was not? It is also easy to find out when the plane did actually take off from Moline. So the TMZ crap about him leaving a few hours later because he could not get a private room can be disputed. Many people have said he would not have been calm after those Narcon shots if he was filled with Opiads and even Doctor Drew said that what Judith Hill described came off as a seziure and not an opiad overdose. I also remember Dr. Drew saying most addicts do not die from O.D. but usually because they are mixing the pain meds with something else or the withdrawals kill them.

How did P get throught that show if he was so high on pain pills that he had an O.D. on the plane?

Did the hospital give him a back his big bag of pills and let him leave the hospital without contacting the police?

If he had a big bag of pills would he have stayed in the hospital until the next day just waiting to get to the pills.

To much missing info about Moline?

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

So you think there was no OD on the plane?
Also, do you believe JH's story? I mean, it's her word against nobody else's, really. cause nobody else who was on that plane is speaking out. Again, Kirk would know...

Why would she lie? She knew the autopsy report would be coming out so what say he was calm if he was not? It is also easy to find out when the plane did actually take off from Moline. So the TMZ crap about him leaving a few hours later because he could not get a private room can be disputed. Many people have said he would not have been calm after those Narcon shots if he was filled with Opiads and even Doctor Drew said that what Judith Hill described came off as a seziure and not an opiad overdose. I also remember Dr. Drew saying most addicts do not die from O.D. but usually because they are mixing the pain meds with something else or the withdrawals kill them.

How did P get throught that show if he was so high on pain pills that he had an O.D. on the plane?

Did the hospital give him a back his big bag of pills and let him leave the hospital without contacting the police?

If he had a big bag of pills would he have stayed in the hospital until the next day just waiting to get to the pills.

To much missing info about Moline?

Possible answers to your questions:

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How did P get throught that show if he was so high on pain pills that he had an O.D. on the plane?

He may not have been high during the show, but took pills afterwards or while he was on the plane.

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Did the hospital give him a back his big bag of pills and let him leave the hospital without contacting the police?

In most states, doctors / hospitals do not rat addicts out to the police. If that were the case, addicts would die beccause they would be affraid of getting arrested for getting help. Hospitals do not search through patients stuff looking for drugs, unless maybe they don't know who the patient is and the patient is unconscious. In Prince's case, they knew who he was and JH and KJ were there to answer questions.

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If he had a big bag of pills would he have stayed in the hospital until the next day just waiting to get to the pills.

I'm not sure how hospitals treat ODs. Maybe they give the patients something to take away withdrawal symptoms. If that's the case, he would not have needed to take pills until later. We also don't know hte extent of his habit.

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

Why would she lie? She knew the autopsy report would be coming out so what say he was calm if he was not? It is also easy to find out when the plane did actually take off from Moline. So the TMZ crap about him leaving a few hours later because he could not get a private room can be disputed. Many people have said he would not have been calm after those Narcon shots if he was filled with Opiads and even Doctor Drew said that what Judith Hill described came off as a seziure and not an opiad overdose. I also remember Dr. Drew saying most addicts do not die from O.D. but usually because they are mixing the pain meds with something else or the withdrawals kill them.

How did P get throught that show if he was so high on pain pills that he had an O.D. on the plane?

Did the hospital give him a back his big bag of pills and let him leave the hospital without contacting the police?

If he had a big bag of pills would he have stayed in the hospital until the next day just waiting to get to the pills.

To much missing info about Moline?

Possible answers to your questions:

.

How did P get throught that show if he was so high on pain pills that he had an O.D. on the plane?

He may not have been high during the show, but took pills afterwards or while he was on the plane.

.

Did the hospital give him a back his big bag of pills and let him leave the hospital without contacting the police?

In most states, doctors / hospitals do not rat addicts out to the police. If that were the case, addicts would die beccause they would be affraid of getting arrested for getting help. Hospitals do not search through patients stuff looking for drugs, unless maybe they don't know who the patient is and the patient is unconscious. In Prince's case, they knew who he was and JH and KJ were there to answer questions.

.

If he had a big bag of pills would he have stayed in the hospital until the next day just waiting to get to the pills.

I'm not sure how hospitals treat ODs. Maybe they give the patients something to take away withdrawal symptoms. If that's the case, he would not have needed to take pills until later. We also don't know hte extent of his habit.

How did P get throught that show if he was so high on pain pills that he had an O.D. on the plane?

He may not have been high during the show, but took pills afterwards or while he was on the plane.

Then you are saying Judith is lying.

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In most states, doctors / hospitals do not rat addicts out to the police. If that were the case, addicts would die beccause they would be affraid of getting arrested for getting help. Hospitals do not search through patients stuff looking for drugs, unless maybe they don't know who the patient is and the patient is unconscious. In Prince's case, they knew who he was and JH and KJ were there to answer questions.

The look through your stuff if they do not know what you were taking? Also how would the unnamed sources know he had a bag of pills with him at the hospital if no one at the hospital looked through his stuff? Where did this idea that he had a big bag of pills come from?

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If he had a big bag of pills would he have stayed in the hospital until the next day just waiting to get to the pills.

I'm not sure how hospitals treat ODs. Maybe they give the patients something to take away withdrawal symptoms. If that's the case, he would not have needed to take pills until later. We also don't know hte extent of his habit.

From what I am being told the Narcon does not clear drugs from your system.It revies you and people have been known to go ape shit after being brought around. We have read accounts of people climbing the walls when they don't get these pills.

Judith is saying they left around Noon the next day and they got to the hospital around 2:00am.

If he was a strung out on this stuff as the media reports would have you believe how would he have made it almost 12 hours being calm without pain pills unless of course you think Judith is lying or that the hospital let him dig into his bag of pills and pop away. What pilot would let a raving dope him going thru withdrawals get back on the plane.

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Like I said before we don't shit about what happend at that hospital.

[Edited 10/11/16 7:58am]

Oh, to be a fly on the wall in the offices of the Moline hospital lawyers ... There are a lot of people who know what happened there, and no one is talking, except JH. If she loved him so much, and was at PP every two weeks or so, why didn't she do something to help him? The family must like her very much, because she has sung at his private memorial, her photo is on display at PP, she is participating in various purple events, including IIRC Sheila E.'s 2017 cruise. I agree with others who have said the only thing we know for sure is the immediate cause of death from the ME report. Everything else is speculation, and nothing adds up IMO. Nothing.

803 said:

strawberrylova123 said:

"…I dont think prince had a terminal illness i believe he had a dependency to pain meds that made him very ill, his comment from the rolling stone mag 2014 on not wanting to talk about michael jackson and amy Winehouse fate because he was close to it screams that he may had an issue going on…"

"…Also remember the aug 12 interview on kare with Charles smith…

…An autopsy report revealed Prince died of an accidental overdose of the painkiller Fentanyl. Smith said he hopes his death can help others -- those struggling or those who are in need of help…

…“Being free enough to be able to say, I'm not doing well today. I'm in pain. Can you guys help me? Are you going to make fun of me if I tell you that I am in need, I'm hurting?” he said. “That's really a big lesson, that everybody needs to learn.”…

…Smith and his family reached out, in many ways, “in every kind of way you can think of,” he said.…

…“Weren't trying to hurt him, or nothing like that, it all came from love,” he said…

…So now, instead of dwelling on the past, Smith and his family is looking to the future…

Thanks for reminding me of that KARE interview, 803…

Prince's family opens up about life after his death — Prince's cousin speaks with Adrienne Broaddus Adrienne Broaddus, KARE 6:42 PM. CDT August 12, 2016:

…In an exclusive interview with KARE 11, [Prince's] family opened up about what the months following the legendary singer's shocking death have been like -- and how they're working to preserve his image…

…Learning to live with the pain is tough for Prince's cousin Charles Chazz Smith…

…An autopsy report revealed Prince died of an accidental overdose of the painkiller Fentanyl. Smith said he hopes his death can help others -- those struggling or those who are in need of help…

…“Being free enough to be able to say, I'm not doing well today. I'm in pain. Can you guys help me? Are you going to make fun of me if I tell you that I am in need, I'm hurting?” he said. “That's really a big lesson, that everybody needs to learn.”…

…Smith and his family reached out, in many ways, “in every kind of way you can think of,” he said.…

…“Weren't trying to hurt him, or nothing like that, it all came from love,” he said…

…So now, instead of dwelling on the past, Smith and his family is looking to the future…

…“I learned another thing from (Prince), don’t disclose everything,” Smith said. “He always used to say - don’t show them everything, leave something under your sleeve. Keep them wondering”…

On top of that, in the video on that same page — { at around the 1:48 mark } — this very telling question is asked and answered…

Chazz Smith Answers Adrienne Broaddus's Question About Prince's Pain — Video — 01:48 mark:

…Adrienne Broaddus — Question: Did you even know he was in pain?…

…Charles Smith — Answer: Our family — including myself especially — reached out. It's on record…

People need to consider the cousin's answer to the interviewers — "Did you even know he was in pain?" — question, within the full context of the rest of the answers he {the cousin} gives in the interview. The full context {aka, the Main Topic} of the interview being…

<quote>…Smith said he hopes his death can help others -- those struggling or those who are in need of help…</quote>

I don't know what language anybody else is fluent in, but in the English language, that's not the type of phrasing people use when talking about liver damage. That is the type of phrasing people use in reference to somebody struggling with some kind of chemical dependency though.

If after reading that interview and after watching that video, people still think the cousin is saying Prince had liver damage — or any other denial-induced terminal illness fixation — then they're doing so because THEY WISH Prince had liver damage.

It almost seems like liver damage somehow allows some people to continue mythologizing Prince as their goodie-two-shoes fantasy pop idol.

[Edited 10/11/16 9:54am]

phatphuk said:

803 said:

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On top of that, in the video on that same page — { at around the 1:48 mark } — this very telling question is asked and answered…

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Chazz Smith Answers Adrienne Broaddus's Question About Prince's Pain — Video — 01:48 mark:

…Adrienne Broaddus — Question: Did you even know he was in pain?…

…Charles Smith — Answer: Our family — including myself especially — reached out. It's on record…

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People need to consider the cousin's answer to the interviewers — "Did you even know he was in pain?" — question, within the full context of the rest of the answers he {the cousin} gives in the interview. The full context {aka, the Main Topic} of the interview being…

<quote>…Smith said he hopes his death can help others -- those struggling or those who are in need of help…</quote>

I don't know what language anybody else is fluent in, but in the English language, that's not the type of phrasing people use when talking about liver damage. That is the type of phrasing people use in reference to somebody struggling with some kind of chemical dependency though.

If after reading that interview and after watching that video, people still think the cousin is saying Prince had liver damage — or any other denial-induced terminal illness fixation — then they're doing so because THEY WISH Prince had liver damage.

It almost seems like liver damage somehow allows some people to continue mythologizing Prince as their goodie-two-shoes fantasy pop idol.

I have never said he was not addicted to pain killers. We all fucking know he was addicted to pain killers he was in an outpatient program for withdrawals from pain killers.

Pain meds cause organ damage fool. We don’t know if P had organ damage but it is possible and he could have any number of medical problems some of which could be due to taking the pain meds in first damm place. Chronic pain in of itself is a health issue despite you not being aware of this. What I do know is he did not have a fucking crystal ball to know he was going to O.D. on Fentanyl two years after he told his sister he had done everything he came here to do!!! What I do know is that his sister was not grieving over Prince reaching his career goals!!! What I do know is she said she knew what the call was about before the employee said anything. She was not preparing herself for two years to hear that Prince was announcing his retirement.

If you take the information about him from the last two years like mending fences with people he had not spoken to in years, writing an autobiography, piano and mic tour, turning PP into a museum, looking like crap, black dowdy clothes, lack of promotion of projects, manic work production, retaining masters and forming LLC with all of the copyrights going into the LLC. You are looking at someone who was making plans to shut things down or not be here.

No one thinks Prince was a goodie two shoes. I doubt he even believed that however, his work ethic over the long haul of his career and the recollections of the people who knew him do not add up a life long dope head. No one is going to be as successful as Prince was and be a raving dope addict for any extended period of time. We all know he was on pain meds and we have an idea why. We just think other things were going on and we have plenty of clues.

I do not think you are stupid I think you are a troll who is working to have these topics closed or deleted. I do not know who you are and I don’t really care but what you are doing is not going to work.

1Sasha said:

Oh, to be a fly on the wall in the offices of the Moline hospital lawyers ... There are a lot of people who know what happened there, and no one is talking, except JH. If she loved him so much, and was at PP every two weeks or so, why didn't she do something to help him? The family must like her very much, because she has sung at his private memorial, her photo is on display at PP, she is participating in various purple events, including IIRC Sheila E.'s 2017 cruise. I agree with others who have said the only thing we know for sure is the immediate cause of death from the ME report. Everything else is speculation, and nothing adds up IMO. Nothing.

Exactly, we may find out more when the investigation is completed or when the probate is closed.

I doubt P's family would have Judith around if she was some black widow lying women.

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

"…He wasn't murdered, he didn't kill himself, he wasn't poisoned. He died of an accidental overdose, just like they said…

…He wasn't a druggie, he took the meds to control his pain. The narcs are getting so hard to get because the drs. are trying not to prescribe those type of meds anymore because the abusers are getting out of hand and the amount of OD's have risen so drastically…

…There is BIG difference between a druggie who is abusing the drugs to get high, and a patient with chronic pain that are taking the drugs in order to be able to have a better quality of life…

…His dr probably wouldn't prescribe the narcs or stopped prescribing them, he turned to the streets because in order to function he had to have the drug. He got a bad batch of street pills, which has been going thru the Midwest for quite sometime now…

…His clothes were on backwards/inside out because he was high as a kite and tried to get back dressed…

…His security guy never seen the pills, because they were carried in Aleve or Aspirin bottles, and the security guard had no other reason to think differently…

…The security cameras were turned off because his associates were trying to get the rehab dr, into PP without Prince knowing…

…His statement to Tyka, was nothing more than a statement that he has done what he set out to do. Meaning, he felt his job that he was put on earth to do, has been completed. RE: WB and getting his work back…

…IMO, Prince wasn't feeling good, he wanted to cut back and going on tour With a Piano and Microphone, he didn't need a band etc. etc. Just him and piano, which was a very smart idea…

…Yes, drug addiction is drug addiction. But let's not confuse the 2. Druggies abuse drugs to get high. Chronic pain people use drugs to survive…

…All of this is just my opinion. I don't mean to offend anybody…"

"…Penny: I apprecicate what you are saying. I also do not believe that Prince was a "drug addict"…

…Something you said caught my concern; you said: The security cameras were turned off because his associates were trying to get the rehab dr, into PP without Prince knowing…

…How do you know that is fact? Furthermore, turning off the security system is something that Prince would never approve of, so whomever did this was not respecting their "Boss" (aka: Prince)…

…We all know Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain, and he would NEVER, under ANY circumstances turn-off the security system…

…Could you please share your source for that information, or is it based on your opinion? Thanks…"

"…As I said, it is all my opinion. The only thing that isn't my opinion that is basically fact is: the accidental overdose…"

You ask PennyPurple how she knows whatever. So let me ask you the same thing.

How would you — cloveringold85 — KNOW what Prince would never approve of? How do you know "Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain"?

Wait. Let me guess. Because Prince himself personally told you that his Moms used to call him Skipper? Right?

phatphuk said:

PennyPurple said:

"…As I said, it is all my opinion. The only thing that isn't my opinion that is basically fact is: the accidental overdose…"

You ask PennyPurple how she knows whatever. So let me ask you the same thing.

How would you — cloveringold85 — KNOW what Prince would never approve of? How do you know "Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain"?

Wait. Let me guess. Because Prince himself personally told you that his Moms used to call him Skipper? Right?

YOu have not read one piece of information about how Prince ran things. Go get some infomation and come back when you know something.

How do I think Prince ran things? Any way he wanted to. Period. It could change from today to tomorrow. It could change minute by minute. There was not, apparently, any routine or structure. If the Boss said "Jump," people said, "How high?" That was it.

1Sasha said:

How do I think Prince ran things? Any way he wanted to. Period. It could change from today to tomorrow. It could change minute by minute. There was not, apparently, any routine or structure. If the Boss said "Jump," people said, "How high?" That was it.

I am putting some pieces of the puzzle together with this LLC business. Dude was more on point than he appeared.

StopIt said:

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

"…He wasn't murdered, he didn't kill himself, he wasn't poisoned. He died of an accidental overdose, just like they said…

…He wasn't a druggie, he took the meds to control his pain. The narcs are getting so hard to get because the drs. are trying not to prescribe those type of meds anymore because the abusers are getting out of hand and the amount of OD's have risen so drastically…

…There is BIG difference between a druggie who is abusing the drugs to get high, and a patient with chronic pain that are taking the drugs in order to be able to have a better quality of life…

…His dr probably wouldn't prescribe the narcs or stopped prescribing them, he turned to the streets because in order to function he had to have the drug. He got a bad batch of street pills, which has been going thru the Midwest for quite sometime now…

…His clothes were on backwards/inside out because he was high as a kite and tried to get back dressed…

…His security guy never seen the pills, because they were carried in Aleve or Aspirin bottles, and the security guard had no other reason to think differently…

…The security cameras were turned off because his associates were trying to get the rehab dr, into PP without Prince knowing…

…His statement to Tyka, was nothing more than a statement that he has done what he set out to do. Meaning, he felt his job that he was put on earth to do, has been completed. RE: WB and getting his work back…

…IMO, Prince wasn't feeling good, he wanted to cut back and going on tour With a Piano and Microphone, he didn't need a band etc. etc. Just him and piano, which was a very smart idea…

…Yes, drug addiction is drug addiction. But let's not confuse the 2. Druggies abuse drugs to get high. Chronic pain people use drugs to survive…

…All of this is just my opinion. I don't mean to offend anybody…"

"…Penny: I apprecicate what you are saying. I also do not believe that Prince was a "drug addict"…

…Something you said caught my concern; you said: The security cameras were turned off because his associates were trying to get the rehab dr, into PP without Prince knowing…

…How do you know that is fact? Furthermore, turning off the security system is something that Prince would never approve of, so whomever did this was not respecting their "Boss" (aka: Prince)…

…We all know Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain, and he would NEVER, under ANY circumstances turn-off the security system…

…Could you please share your source for that information, or is it based on your opinion? Thanks…"

"…As I said, it is all my opinion. The only thing that isn't my opinion that is basically fact is: the accidental overdose…"

You ask PennyPurple how she knows whatever. So let me ask you the same thing.

How would you — cloveringold85 — KNOW what Prince would never approve of? How do you know "Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain"?

Wait. Let me guess. Because Prince himself personally told you that his Moms used to call him Skipper? Right?

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

How do I think Prince ran things? Any way he wanted to. Period. It could change from today to tomorrow. It could change minute by minute. There was not, apparently, any routine or structure. If the Boss said "Jump," people said, "How high?" That was it.

I am putting some pieces of the puzzle together with this LLC business. Dude was more on point than he appeared.

Hi Laura, I applaud your efforts on trying put this frustrating puzzle together.

Is your theory that Prince simply had a terminal illness and that he either accidentally or intentionally overdosed before he reached the debilitating end stage of that illness? If so, I think that's very plausible.

At this point it is also plausible is that he simply had a battle with chronic pain and either accidentally or intentionally overdosed before that battle became public knowledge.

I do believe there is more to it, bacause of all the mysterious f*ckery surrounding his last days.

I was going to criticize his family for being mysterious about everything but how can I? The full autopsy report could be inconclusive. They might not know yet what really happened so they don't have much to tell us.

The time is now for Prince fans to keep investigating and pushing because once the case is closed its going to be hard to reopen it. There is a small window of opportunity here.

SPRAKA said:

laurarichardson said:

I am putting some pieces of the puzzle together with this LLC business. Dude was more on point than he appeared.

Hi Laura, I applaud your efforts on trying put this frustrating puzzle together.

Is your theory that Prince simply had a terminal illness and that he either accidentally or intentionally overdosed before he reached the debilitating end stage of that illness? If so, I think that's very plausible.

At this point it is also plausible is that he simply had a battle with chronic pain and either accidentally or intentionally overdosed before that battle became public knowledge.

I do believe there is more to it, bacause of all the mysterious f*ckery surrounding his last days.

I was going to criticize his family for being mysterious about everything but how can I? The full autopsy report could be inconclusive. They might not know yet what really happened so they don't have much to tell us.

The time is now for Prince fans to keep investigating and pushing because once the case is closed its going to be hard to reopen it. There is a small window of opportunity here.

. Is your theory that Prince simply had a terminal illness and that he either accidentally or intentionally overdosed before he reached the debilitating end stage of that illness?

I think he was in a lot of pain and accidently overdosed. People should not discount chronic pain and how crazy that can make a person.

If he was withdrawing and still having chronic pain who knows were his mind was.

I also know that these pain pills can wreak havoc on your organs, respiratory system, and digestive system. He was going to get test results from Dr. S the next day.

He was going back and forth seeing Dr. S. You don't need to go back and forth to a doctor to be told you have AIDS, Chronic Pain or reminded that you are withdrawing from pain pills. In addition, Dr. S wrote him other Rxs (not for pain pills) so something else was going on and it is appearing that he did do some estate planning for PP and royalties.

I mean Real Estate can just be sold off and whatever funds he had that were liquid ( if any at all) are divided amount his sibs. I wish his family would just come out with it but they might not know all that much and the rest of he ME report could be inconclusive. He body could have been a wreak and any numerous things could have taken him.

Tresha68 said:

StopIt said:

The man had poor advisors.

Medical, legal, accounting, managing, promotion, you name it.

They were and are poor advisors in their respective professions, however those are his choices.

He was terminal, he was not going to reheb, he was an artist and had a compulsion to share that (which not all artists do).

He was not going out in a hospice, or constrained to a hospital bed at others' discretions, which they were imposing on him already.

He was a control freak.

Do the math please, have some honesty with your love for the man, cripes.

Yes, the 50 million in real estate and getting his masters back is really bad business

Some of you need to get off of this nonsense. All business ventures have risk. Some worked out and some did not in the end he left this earth a very wealthy man.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Hmmm. Do we really know for a fact that Prince said that to Tyka?

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She said "2-years".....what exactly did she know 2-years ago? Hmmm. You can't predict your death 2-years before you die.

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Suppose Prince "did" have a "terminal" illness......you still wouldn't know how much time you have left. It could be 2 years, or 6 months or 2 weeks.

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The last part.......yea, IF Tyka "knew" something was wrong with her "Brother", or he had an "addiction" problem, WHY didn't she get him help then?

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Good questions........but more questions remain. Maybe one day, the truth will surface, but I don't think Tyka is going to say very much going forward. She only gave some "tidbits", but not the full story. Basically, what she said on ET and Today Show only leaves us to ponder.

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If you have a terminal health issue you can be given a time frame sometimes you can even exceed the time you are given with the proper medical care. Prince was not some poor person going to the free clinic. I read a interview with Jackie Collins before she passed from cancer and she fought it for 7 years with experimental treatements being told every year she only had a another year to go. She completed 7 books and toured to promote them the whole time she knew the end was going to come from cancer. I just don't understand why people think she could have made Prince do anything if he did not want to or if there was nothing to be done.

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I have personally seen what "cancer" can do to someone. My ex mother-in-law died from cancer. She lived only 5-Months after her diagnosis. It was very quick. My father-in-law died from cancer when he was only 47 years old. He passed away just 4-months after he was diagnosed.

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Cancer and other "terminal" diseases effect everyone differently.

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How long someone is able to live with cancer depends on a lot of things.

strawberrylova123 said:

I dont think prince had a terminal illness i believe he had a dependency to pain meds that made him very ill, his comment from the rolling stone mag 2014 on not wanting to talk about michael jackson and amy Winehouse fate because he was close to it screams that he may had an issue going on. [Edited 10/10/16 19:47pm] [Edited 10/10/16 20:02pm]

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Wow! I have to read that article.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

If you have a terminal health issue you can be given a time frame sometimes you can even exceed the time you are given with the proper medical care. Prince was not some poor person going to the free clinic. I read a interview with Jackie Collins before she passed from cancer and she fought it for 7 years with experimental treatements being told every year she only had a another year to go. She completed 7 books and toured to promote them the whole time she knew the end was going to come from cancer. I just don't understand why people think she could have made Prince do anything if he did not want to or if there was nothing to be done.

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I have personally seen what "cancer" can do to someone. My ex mother-in-law died from cancer. She lived only 5-Months after her diagnosis. It was very quick. My father-in-law died from cancer when he was only 47 years old. He passed away just 4-months after he was diagnosed.

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Cancer and other "terminal" diseases effect everyone differently.

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How long someone is able to live with cancer depends on a lot of things.

Of course it is does. I think you have people on this board who have never been around people with terminal diseases I have and no AIDS is not the only terminal disease that you can die from. Loads of ignorance.

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I see the avitar as being a symbol of sadness. P said that he was deeply concerned about the things

that are happening in the world. He also stated that he had lost faith in the ability to change it.

I feel the tear with the eyes closed is just an incredible and overwhelming sadness.

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tmo1965 said:

strawberrylova123 said:

803 said: Yep i remember that he said that.

Well why won't they come out and say that plainly. When you're vague about things like this, it only leads to the specualtion and conspiracy theories that we see here. The media is leaving the impression that he was a straight up addict getting high for the hell of it. There are rumors that he had AIDS. Wouldn't it be better to just come out and say that Prince was addicted to pain pills, we tried to help, but he would not go into treatment?

Charles' statement can be taken different ways. One can assume that Prince was in pain for a terminal illness, for example, and was trying to put on like everything was ok. It's just not clear what they are talking about. How much $$$ are they holding out for?

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TMO: Good point you made. It's very odd to me that other people are "suggesting" Prince had a dependency problem, yet his family says "nothing". I mean, why even hide it anymore (if it's true); Prince is no longer with us. His family needs to set the record straight and stop all these "rumors". That would be the right thing to do, but that is my opinion.

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