Another unanswered question remains: Where is the video tape of Prince' Surveillance cameras on April 20th and 21st? Yea, we all heard the stories that it was "shut-off and/or the bill hadn't been "paid" and yadda, yadda, but I'm not buying that excuse; Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain and he would not have the security system turned-off, no way!!

phatphuk said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

...I still believe her conclusion was reductionist, because she could have listed other substances if they played toxic role (U4470 for instance). Maybe Minnesotan law prescribes the simplistic conclusion, as someone on here mentioned..."

"as someone on here mentioned" — Is that the same "someone" who believes that their own interpretation of Prince's lyrics is The One And Only True Interpretation™ officially sanctioned and personally blessed by Prince himself?

Or is it the same "someone" who struggles with understanding basic constructs and common idioms of the English language?

C'mon dude! HaHaHaHaHa. I'd believe the characters in your side-splitting animated gifs before I'd believe anything from either of them.

I believe the 'someone' was Dibblekins. It was definitely said earlier today! and not by me!

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fortuneandserendipity said:

phatphuk said:

...In fact, fortuneandserendipity, it is that very absense of a personal relationship with Prince that gives the ME's conclusion more scientific credibility. It's called Objectivity

If one of prince.org's rabid Prince fans were to do Prince's autopsy, their conclusion would be too Subjective. Because they would let their emotions for Prince cancel out the objective, scientific analysis that is encumbant upon medical examiners.

I still believe her conclusion was reductionist, because she could have listed other substances if they played toxic role (U4470 for instance). Maybe Minnesotan law prescribes the simplistic conclusion, as someone on here mentioned.

Here are the links for - 1) MN ME Autopsy Form 2) MN Statutes RE: Medical examiiner/Deaths

http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/chs/osr/deathreg/wksheet.pdf

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=390.11

May be it will give you some info to help you better understand how a ME make their decision.

cloveringold85 said:

Another unanswered question remains: Where is the video tape of Prince' Surveillance cameras on April 20th and 21st? Yea, we all heard the stories that it was "shut-off and/or the bill hadn't been "paid" and yadda, yadda, but I'm not buying that excuse; Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain and he would not have the security system turned-off, no way!!

I haven't believed that from the beginning!! P was very protective and he was smart enough to know there are idiots out there!!! LOL Look how many times the Police were called for lurkers!!

This writer brings up some very valid points. Although some of his information is "inaccurate" and "out-of-date" because there have been many updates since it was written, but I think he is on-point with the circumstances surrounding Prince's sudden and unexpected death:

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Here is an excerpt, but you can read the article in it's entirety (link below), if you are interested.

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On April 21, 2016, Dr. Kornfeld’s son, Andrew Kornfeld was part of a DEATH SQUAD that invaded Prince’s secured compound and home without his knowledge or consent. We know for certain that Prince didn’t open the gate and door to invite them in, and didn’t authorize anyone to open the gates to his home to stranglers.....(I think he meant to say "strangers")

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April 21, 2016, at 9:43 AM, Prince was discovered by unknown and non identified individuals loosely known as Prince’s “team” lying in an elevator “unresponsive“.[9] One of the unknown persons running around Prince’s home when he was found dead has been confirmed for certain to have been Andrew Kornfeld of California.

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On April 22, 2016, the day after Prince was found dead, the Carver County Sheriff, Jim Olsontold reporters at a press conference that on Thursday (April 21), [un-named] members of Prince’s staff became worried when they couldn’t contact him on Thursday morning. They went over to the house to find him unresponsive on the first floor of the house in the elevator.”[10]

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During the press conference, Sheriff Jim Olson noted that Prince was a very private person, and the sheriff encouraged people to respect the singer’s privacy even though he was dead. A dead man no longer possess a right to privacy. I suppose that Sheriff Olson was asking the public not to ask too many questions about Prince’s death.[11] If un-named people were worried about Prince so much, why didn’t they respect his privacy by calling 9-11 before invading and trespassing his home?

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During the press conference, Sheriff Jim Olson concealed and covered-up the fact that there was/were person(s) or entities (DEATH SQUAD) not part of Prince’s staff, Andrew Kornfeld, on the compound chasing him then allegedly found him dead.

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Sheriff Jim Olson concealed and covered-up the fact that Andrew had illegal drugs concealed in his backpack. Did they intend to drug Prince forcibly and covertly against his will?

.

The Kornfelds are now represented by a high profile Minnesota white collar criminal defense attorney. They aren’t talking and answering any questions, and Sheriff Jim Olson isn’t talking about the evidence that he concealed from the public– the Kornfelds and the illegal drugs that Andrew–Buprenorphine. The corporate mass news media aren’t pushing for answers about theKornfelds, and Prince’s right to left alone by trespassers, stranglers and interlopers even if in fact he had serious drug or medical problems.

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May 10, 2016, the Carver County Sheriff Department is backing up, revisiting the crime scene at Paisley Park. It should have closed off as a crime scene, period, the day Prince was found DEAD! Even Bremer Bank shouldn’t have been allowed to enter that property until the federal investigation was completed.

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https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2016/05/12/prince-death-squad-the-devil-in-control/

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fortuneandserendipity said:

phatphuk said:

"as someone on here mentioned" — Is that the same "someone" who believes that their own interpretation of Prince's lyrics is The One And Only True Interpretation™ officially sanctioned and personally blessed by Prince himself?

Or is it the same "someone" who struggles with understanding basic constructs and common idioms of the English language?

C'mon dude! HaHaHaHaHa. I'd believe the characters in your side-splitting animated gifs before I'd believe anything from either of them.

I believe the 'someone' was Dibblekins. It was definitely said earlier today! and not by me!

[Edited 10/9/16 14:44pm]

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I'd like to think I don't match PhatPhuck's vaguely insulting desciptions outlined above!
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I don't believe I have a problem accurately utilising the English Language, given that I was an English teacher for many years...However..:
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1) I do think Prince reveals a good amount about himself / his situation in his lyrics - but, again, I am only basing that on the EVIDENCE, ie what he himself has explicitly said, ie, 'listen to the lyrics; I'm an open book'.

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2) I also think that the ME was able to legitimately leave out various contributory factors in the publicly available 'reduced' report on Prince's death. The Minnesota coroner's office was contacted and said that they 'MAY' choose to complete the 'other relevant factors' boxes (or may not). This is very simple linguistic analysis and, again, is supported by evidence based on my own (and others') first-hand knowledge of how 'basic' death certificates are completed.

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3) The ME has legally endorsed discretion, and as long as he / she is not fabricating data, he / she is under no obligation to provide anything more than the absolute, definitive cause of death - no more, no less - and that is rather significant, I feel.

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If Phatphuck has a problem with anything I've said there - or feels it doesn't meet with his definition of 'logic', I would urge him to speak up and explain why. He doesn't normally have a problem doing so.

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zenarose said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I still believe her conclusion was reductionist, because she could have listed other substances if they played toxic role (U4470 for instance). Maybe Minnesotan law prescribes the simplistic conclusion, as someone on here mentioned.

Here are the links for - 1) MN ME Autopsy Form 2) MN Statutes RE: Medical examiiner/Deaths

http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/chs/osr/deathreg/wksheet.pdf

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=390.11

May be it will give you some info to help you better understand how a ME make their decision.

All of which proves nothing. Maybe you need to look up the terms reductionist and simplistic before assuming that just because something is set in statute law, that automatically means no erroneous, incomplete conclusions can ever be drawn.

Also https://mindcontrolblacka...ssad-9-11/ She seems to be very interested in fentanyl, as it's her field.

Also from other thread.

Dibblekins said:

disch said:

That's not what the autopsy report implies. It says that only fentanyl toxicity caused his death (per the Star-Tribune, his fentanyl levels were so high, no one could have survived that amount). There may have been other substances found but the ME determined they didn't contribute to the fatality.

But what we've seen isn't the autopsy report. It is a very simple public 'listing' / record of death.

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It is by its very nature intended to be a wholly simplified, very basic telling of the key causal factor in death, its target audience being the media and public.

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I think I read that the ME (in Minnesota) is under no obligation to list all other medications in the deceased's system, if he / she can reduce it down to one which, for whatever reason, would have been sufficient to be fatal in itself - even if the others played a part in increasing the toxicity of the primary drug listed.

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fortuneandserendipity said:

zenarose said:

I wasn't starting a war. I was only trying to help.

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

Another unanswered question remains: Where is the video tape of Prince' Surveillance cameras on April 20th and 21st? Yea, we all heard the stories that it was "shut-off and/or the bill hadn't been "paid" and yadda, yadda, but I'm not buying that excuse; Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain and he would not have the security system turned-off, no way!!

I haven't believed that from the beginning!! P was very protective and he was smart enough to know there are idiots out there!!! LOL Look how many times the Police were called for lurkers!!

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Yep!!

The links you shared are very interesting. I have found several that have scared 8$@x out of me!!

There is another thing that Prince said that I will never forget (and it's been mentioned here before). After the plane incident, Prince tweeted something along the lines of "Don't believe what you hear/read in the media".

The ME's conclusion isn't "her opionion only"; it's fact. For example, she sent his tissue samples to a lab that determined the levels of various substances in his body which informed her determination of the cause of death. And it doesn't stand "until the full autopsy is released." IT IS THE SUMMARY OF THE THE RESULTS OF THE AUTOPSY THAT SHE CONDUCTED, released in accordance with Minnesota Statute 13.83 . Her full autopsy is not going to list "suicide" or "natural (aka disease)" as the manner of death, but in her autopsy summary she listed "accident."

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Dismissing her report as "just her opinion," no more informed than yours (or perhaps less, you seem to imply), is just not correct.

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fortuneandserendipity said:

phatphuk said:

You say "the Medical Examiner doesn't know Prince", as if you do know Prince yourself, fortuneandserendipity. Do you know Prince?

A Medical Examiner no more needs to have had a personal relationship with the decedants they examine than a judge needs to have a personal relationship with the defendants they try in court.

In both professions, both professionals arrive at their learned conclusions by bringing to bear the weight of several years of education, several years of professional experience, the collective body of knowledge within their field of expertise, together with input from their expert colleagues.

I personally put more stock into the conclusions of a highly-skilled professional pathologist who has access to the evidence {the decedants corspe} and who is privy to all of the details of the investigation, before I would take seriously the imagination of some anonymous internet forum poster whose only credentials is, they know every Prince lyric by heart.

Buy Hey! To each his own. You're still an animated gif genius, par excellence, in my eyes ;¬)

With regard to ME not having prior inside knowledge of P, that's exactly what bothers me esp. in light of her definitive conclusion. It's her opinion only, and it stands for all time or until such time as full autopsy gets released. And that may give different picture. For instance, what if there were a cocktail of different substances, as has been conjectured, and these drug interactions make him psychotic and potentially suicidal? Just saying, but it has happened to people before.

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fortuneandserendipity said:

phatphuk said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

"...I still believe her conclusion was reductionist, because she could have listed other substances if they played toxic role (U4470 for instance). Maybe Minnesotan law prescribes the simplistic conclusion, as someone on here mentioned..."

"...“as someone on here mentioned” — Is that the same “someone” who believes that their own interpretation of Prince's lyrics is The One And Only True Interpretation™ officially sanctioned and personally blessed by Prince himself?...

...Or is it the same “someone” who struggles with understanding basic constructs and common idioms of the English language?...

...C'mon dude! HaHaHaHaHa. I'd believe the characters in your side-splitting animated gifs before I'd believe anything from either of them...

"...I believe the 'someone' was Dibblekins. It was definitely said earlier today! and not by me!..."

fortuneandserendipity, if you ever get the chance, try to watch this one episode of Dr. G: Medical Examiner.

Dr. G. often talks about how the Golden Rule of medical examiners is to be open-minded. She's always saying how MEs are trained to be objective and to not have tunnel vision, lest they fool themselves into misdiagnosing something based on their own prejudices and subjective opinions.

One episode in particular in which I recall specifically her talking about MEs arriving at their conclusions based on where the objective, scientific evidence takes them, is the "Lethal Intake" episode...

Dr. G: Medical Examiner — Lethal Intake — Season 6 Episode 1:

...I can't sit there and worry about what the ramifications are. I have to focus on getting the answer. That's my job and that's why I do it...

...So, we have a lot of people just standing by to get some things in motion. The health department, his family. They wanna know why he died...

...But in the morgue, assumptions can be dangerous...

...One mistake you make in forensics is you come up with a hypothesis and then you kind of like blind yourself to any other possibilities...

...You have to keep your options open. Maybe he has something else wrong with him. Maybe he's got an infection in his belly. Maybe he's got something wrong with his bowels...

...You know, there's maybes, maybes, maybes. And I can't be blind-sided by, [I think he died of X]..."

Now. Dr. Angelique Strobl, MD may not have her own television series. But I don't doubt that she practices the same work ethics performing her duties as Chief Medical Examiner for Minnesota, that Dr. Jan Garavaglia, MD practices in her professional duties as Chief Medical Examiner for Orlando, Florida

If your "Dibblekins" has comparable credentials to either one of the above board certified pathologists, then you and "Dibblekins" might have a leg to stand on. If not, then don't try doing any autopsies at home ;¬)

disch said:

The ME's conclusion isn't "her opionion only"; it's fact. For example, she sent his tissue samples to a lab that determined the levels of various substances in his body which informed her determination of the cause of death.

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She then analyzed the range of lab data along with circumstances of his death (info we are mostly not privy to) and came to an expert conclusion. Dismissing her report as "just her opinion," no better or different than yours, is just not correct.

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fortuneandserendipity said:

With regard to ME not having prior inside knowledge of P, that's exactly what bothers me esp. in light of her definitive conclusion. It's her opinion only, and it stands for all time or until such time as full autopsy gets released. And that may give different picture. For instance, what if there were a cocktail of different substances, as has been conjectured, and these drug interactions make him psychotic and potentially suicidal? Just saying, but it has happened to people before.

DISCH: I posted 2 links from during Thread 4 (I believe) it was the time that you emailed the ME's

office. I found a blank copy of a MN Autopsy Report (long form) and the MN Statutes that gave

information on how a ME completes the form and the criteria used to make their determinations.

The links are in Reply #32. Don't know of you still had them or not, or might want to look at them

to refresh your memory.

[Edited 10/9/16 16:31pm]

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

I haven't believed that from the beginning!! P was very protective and he was smart enough to know there are idiots out there!!! LOL Look how many times the Police were called for lurkers!!

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Yep!!

If you look at the claims against his estate you don't see a lot of utlities filing claims. A production company from the last tour, the two non-profits who could not have their events at PP and that is it. It appears most of his bills were paid concerning Paisley Park. If anything he may have turned the security system off or the police do have the footage.

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If these are the kind of sources that yuo are looking at for info on Prince's death, then, well, that's the direction you've gone. The internet is a bottomless pit of all manner of crazy if you want to seek that out; I'm sure you can find someone who says just about anything related to Prince's death.

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I think it's way advantageous is to avoid internet cesspool sources and rely on to government sources (law enforcement etc.) and reputable media outlets (NYTimes, Star-Tribune, AP, etc.)

cloveringold85 said:

https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2016/05/12/prince-death-squad-the-devil-in-control/

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Thanks Zena. I do remember that and the CDC guidelines too. I'm comfortable with my assessment that the ME's autopsy summary document (and the death certificate, as it repeats the info on the summary) lists the same manner and cause of death as her full autopsy report.

zenarose said:

disch said:

The ME's conclusion isn't "her opionion only"; it's fact. For example, she sent his tissue samples to a lab that determined the levels of various substances in his body which informed her determination of the cause of death.

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She then analyzed the range of lab data along with circumstances of his death (info we are mostly not privy to) and came to an expert conclusion. Dismissing her report as "just her opinion," no better or different than yours, is just not correct.

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DISCH: I posted 2 links from during Thread 4 (I believe) it was the time that you emailed the ME's

office. I found a blank copy of a MN Autopsy Report (long form) and the MN Statutes that gave

information on how a ME completes the form and the criteria used to make their determinations.

The links are in Reply #32. Don't know of you still had them or not, or might want to look at them

to refresh your memory.

[Edited 10/9/16 16:31pm]

cloveringold85 said:

This writer brings up some very valid points. Although some of his information is "inaccurate" and "out-of-date" because there have been many updates since it was written, but I think he is on-point with the circumstances surrounding Prince's sudden and unexpected death:

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Here is an excerpt, but you can read the article in it's entirety (link below), if you are interested.

.

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On April 21, 2016, Dr. Kornfeld’s son, Andrew Kornfeld was part of a DEATH SQUAD that invaded Prince’s secured compound and home without his knowledge or consent. We know for certain that Prince didn’t open the gate and door to invite them in, and didn’t authorize anyone to open the gates to his home to stranglers.....(I think he meant to say "strangers")

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April 21, 2016, at 9:43 AM, Prince was discovered by unknown and non identified individuals loosely known as Prince’s “team” lying in an elevator “unresponsive“.[9] One of the unknown persons running around Prince’s home when he was found dead has been confirmed for certain to have been Andrew Kornfeld of California.

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On April 22, 2016, the day after Prince was found dead, the Carver County Sheriff, Jim Olsontold reporters at a press conference that on Thursday (April 21), [un-named] members of Prince’s staff became worried when they couldn’t contact him on Thursday morning. They went over to the house to find him unresponsive on the first floor of the house in the elevator.”[10]

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During the press conference, Sheriff Jim Olson noted that Prince was a very private person, and the sheriff encouraged people to respect the singer’s privacy even though he was dead. A dead man no longer possess a right to privacy. I suppose that Sheriff Olson was asking the public not to ask too many questions about Prince’s death.[11] If un-named people were worried about Prince so much, why didn’t they respect his privacy by calling 9-11 before invading and trespassing his home?

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During the press conference, Sheriff Jim Olson concealed and covered-up the fact that there was/were person(s) or entities (DEATH SQUAD) not part of Prince’s staff, Andrew Kornfeld, on the compound chasing him then allegedly found him dead.

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Sheriff Jim Olson concealed and covered-up the fact that Andrew had illegal drugs concealed in his backpack. Did they intend to drug Prince forcibly and covertly against his will?

.

The Kornfelds are now represented by a high profile Minnesota white collar criminal defense attorney. They aren’t talking and answering any questions, and Sheriff Jim Olson isn’t talking about the evidence that he concealed from the public– the Kornfelds and the illegal drugs that Andrew–Buprenorphine. The corporate mass news media aren’t pushing for answers about theKornfelds, and Prince’s right to left alone by trespassers, stranglers and interlopers even if in fact he had serious drug or medical problems.

.

May 10, 2016, the Carver County Sheriff Department is backing up, revisiting the crime scene at Paisley Park. It should have closed off as a crime scene, period, the day Prince was found DEAD! Even Bremer Bank shouldn’t have been allowed to enter that property until the federal investigation was completed.

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https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2016/05/12/prince-death-squad-the-devil-in-control/

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Don't know about all this but the Kornfields are weird and I have always wondered why they were called in to help. Supposely Phaedrea Ellis Lamkins contaced them and she is listed as the manager of NPG Music Publishing so you have to wonder. If you go to the Yelp page for Dr. K Rehab there are some really bad reviews on the site about his place. It makes you wonder why these people.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

Thanks Zena. I do remember that and the CDC guidelines too. I'm comfortable with my assessment that the ME's autopsy summary document (and the death certificate, as it repeats the info on the summary) lists the same manner and cause of death as her full autopsy report.

zenarose said:

DISCH: I posted 2 links from during Thread 4 (I believe) it was the time that you emailed the ME's

office. I found a blank copy of a MN Autopsy Report (long form) and the MN Statutes that gave

information on how a ME completes the form and the criteria used to make their determinations.

The links are in Reply #32. Don't know of you still had them or not, or might want to look at them

to refresh your memory.

[Edited 10/9/16 16:31pm]

I know you were working hard at it. Bet we worked on it 'bout 2 days or better.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

This writer brings up some very valid points. Although some of his information is "inaccurate" and "out-of-date" because there have been many updates since it was written, but I think he is on-point with the circumstances surrounding Prince's sudden and unexpected death:

.

Here is an excerpt, but you can read the article in it's entirety (link below), if you are interested.

.

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On April 21, 2016, Dr. Kornfeld’s son, Andrew Kornfeld was part of a DEATH SQUAD that invaded Prince’s secured compound and home without his knowledge or consent. We know for certain that Prince didn’t open the gate and door to invite them in, and didn’t authorize anyone to open the gates to his home to stranglers.....(I think he meant to say "strangers")

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April 21, 2016, at 9:43 AM, Prince was discovered by unknown and non identified individuals loosely known as Prince’s “team” lying in an elevator “unresponsive“.[9] One of the unknown persons running around Prince’s home when he was found dead has been confirmed for certain to have been Andrew Kornfeld of California.

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On April 22, 2016, the day after Prince was found dead, the Carver County Sheriff, Jim Olsontold reporters at a press conference that on Thursday (April 21), [un-named] members of Prince’s staff became worried when they couldn’t contact him on Thursday morning. They went over to the house to find him unresponsive on the first floor of the house in the elevator.”[10]

.

During the press conference, Sheriff Jim Olson noted that Prince was a very private person, and the sheriff encouraged people to respect the singer’s privacy even though he was dead. A dead man no longer possess a right to privacy. I suppose that Sheriff Olson was asking the public not to ask too many questions about Prince’s death.[11] If un-named people were worried about Prince so much, why didn’t they respect his privacy by calling 9-11 before invading and trespassing his home?

.

During the press conference, Sheriff Jim Olson concealed and covered-up the fact that there was/were person(s) or entities (DEATH SQUAD) not part of Prince’s staff, Andrew Kornfeld, on the compound chasing him then allegedly found him dead.

.

Sheriff Jim Olson concealed and covered-up the fact that Andrew had illegal drugs concealed in his backpack. Did they intend to drug Prince forcibly and covertly against his will?

.

The Kornfelds are now represented by a high profile Minnesota white collar criminal defense attorney. They aren’t talking and answering any questions, and Sheriff Jim Olson isn’t talking about the evidence that he concealed from the public– the Kornfelds and the illegal drugs that Andrew–Buprenorphine. The corporate mass news media aren’t pushing for answers about theKornfelds, and Prince’s right to left alone by trespassers, stranglers and interlopers even if in fact he had serious drug or medical problems.

.

May 10, 2016, the Carver County Sheriff Department is backing up, revisiting the crime scene at Paisley Park. It should have closed off as a crime scene, period, the day Prince was found DEAD! Even Bremer Bank shouldn’t have been allowed to enter that property until the federal investigation was completed.

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https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2016/05/12/prince-death-squad-the-devil-in-control/

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Don't know about all this but the Kornfields are weird and I have always wondered why they were called in to help. Supposely Phaedrea Ellis Lamkins contaced them and she is listed as the manager of NPG Music Publishing so you have to wonder. If you go to the Yelp page for Dr. K Rehab there are some really bad reviews on the site about his place. It makes you wonder why these people.

You are sure right on that!! I read his reviews and was floored!!

Grrrrrrrrrr.

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disch said:

If these are the kind of sources that yuo are looking at for info on Prince's death, then, well, that's the direction you've gone. The internet is a bottomless pit of all manner of crazy if you want to seek that out; I'm sure you can find someone who says just about anything related to Prince's death.

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I think it's way advantageous is to avoid internet cesspool sources and rely on to government sources (law enforcement etc.) and reputable media outlets (NYTimes, Star-Tribune, AP, etc.)

cloveringold85 said:

https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2016/05/12/prince-death-squad-the-devil-in-control/

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I agree. I just can't get down with that website above. I don't mean this offensively, but do some of you really believe stuff like this? Or rather, would you really believe this over reputable news sources using info from authorities as their sources? Just honest questions. Maybe the Kornfelds are strange, but they were thrown into a bizarre and last minute situation making them seem even more shady. That Kornfeld kid even did an interview on how if they had come even sooner, the outcome would have been far different.

Bloomin' posting function is phatphucked...

Dibblekins said TO Phatphuck:

What the hell are you blathering on about? Have you even read ANY of my posts before taking my name in vain in your meandering, patronising diatribes which seem to be an opportunity more for you to experiment with rhetoric than say anything of actual use or interest?
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I'm not disputing anything the ME has to say - IF you had bothered to read my comments - I am PARAPHRASING the comment from the Minnesota Coroner's Office which said that in their 'public summary of death', they don't HAVE to cite every little detail that may have played a part in the physiology of the deceased, OK? They are not legally obliged to do so. They (quote) 'MAY' use the 'contributory factors' box(es) or they MAY NOT. They are perfectly within their rights to say that additional factors are 'Not Applicable', if they feel that the basic, primary toxin (for example) is sufficient enough information for the public eye.
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Clearly, the ME felt that the fentanyl toxicity was sufficient to have caused P's death, irrespective of any other drugs or conditions which might have been present. That was then confirmed by the 'nameless source' who described the amount of fentanyl in the pills taken from P's home as being enough to kill him several times over.
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As to whether P's death was suicide or accidental, I am going to assume the ME did all the investigations she could to come to her conclusion...However, just as an aside - nobody on here can be sure of the accuracy of what she was told by those close to Prince, in order for her to come to that conclusion.
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Personally, I have always maintained that whilst I'm not convinced it was a suicide, it could well have been a 'deliberate accident', ie that he no longer cared what he took / when, but knew he was dicing with death - and CHOSE to let whatever might happen, happen.
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Do you comprehend???

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disch said:

If these are the kind of sources that yuo are looking at for info on Prince's death, then, well, that's the direction you've gone. The internet is a bottomless pit of all manner of crazy if you want to seek that out; I'm sure you can find someone who says just about anything related to Prince's death.

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I think it's way advantageous is to avoid internet cesspool sources and rely on to government sources (law enforcement etc.) and reputable media outlets (NYTimes, Star-Tribune, AP, etc.)

cloveringold85 said:

https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2016/05/12/prince-death-squad-the-devil-in-control/

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Dear Disch, Thank you for the review on page 1 of the pertinent reliable information released thus far. I trust that people will read the information prior to posting in order to understand the importance of reputable news sources to those of us who want to know what happened as we await the eventual results of the ongoing criminal investigation as well as further information from P's friends and family.

disch said:

I'm not aware that medical examiners need to know someone personally to make a conclusion about his death. She has access to facts and info that we don't have and uses her training and experience to draw scientific conclusions from that. - None of us knew prince personally either but that hasn't stopped many of us from expressing certainty about many aspects of his death, even without access to the teams of info and expertise the me would have had. Fortuneandserendipity said:

She didn't know Prince though (probably one of the most private celebrities ever to have lived) and neither did most, if not all, of his closest company. That's the point, there's just too much conjecture here to know anything for certain.

She was doing inductive reasoning, which is supposition.

Withdrawal from opiates by all accounts is horrible, and people going through it don't see light at the end of the tunnel. There's no saying how bad he felt in those final hours, or even weeks, and there is no way the medical examiner can know enough to conclusively rule suicide out.

So sarcasm?! She didn't know his mental state, maybe nobody knew his mental state, so she can't definitively rule it out. To say 'not applicable' doesn't rule it out. You can't draw- and she can't even draw- scientific conclusions from his mental state. Depression is not something you can measure, especially when someone's dead!

TopazGirl said:

I'm confused now. What specific part of the autopsy summary are you disputing? The ME's "manner" ruling (accident, instead of suicide etc.)? Or the "other significant conditions" section (where she wrote "n/a")? or both of those -- or other things?

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It's her job to make evaluations about these very things, every day, for all kinds of people. I know for me, I'm not an ME, and I'm not comfortable saying that since I am not qualified to make evaluations about a death, that she isn't.

fortuneandserendipity said:

disch said:

I'm not aware that medical examiners need to know someone personally to make a conclusion about his death. She has access to facts and info that we don't have and uses her training and experience to draw scientific conclusions from that. - None of us knew prince personally either but that hasn't stopped many of us from expressing certainty about many aspects of his death, even without access to the teams of info and expertise the me would have had. Fortuneandserendipity said:

So sarcasm?! She didn't know his mental state, maybe nobody knew his mental state, so she can't definitively rule it out. To say 'not applicable' doesn't rule it out. You can't draw- and she can't even draw- scientific conclusions from his mental state. Depression is not something you can measure, especially when someone's dead!

zenarose said: