laurarichardson said:

Was yesterday the day that something was suppose to be going on with Mani case with the Star Triubune.

Wasn't it a phone conference?? I looked but haven't found anything yet.

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Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, it would and all of the music on Tidal for instances is licensed from NPG music. We already seen things from the family references NPG music and Tyka has enlisted the legal team from a large entertainment law firm and she is already discussing putting out new music. I always suspect that he made some provisions for his music and it appears he did it with this corporation. Just like some of his land is titled in the name of LoveForOneAnother and not his name.

However, I do not see anything documents giving Mr. Dixon power of attorney over the estate or believe he has any real involvement concerning the estate or copyrights. He is not an attorney so why would anyone have needed his involvment? He also had sued Prince and Warner Brothers before and loss. I can't see why anyone would get involved with him again if Prince was ever involved with him in the first place. Check out his website. http://www.slrd.net/

The reason I find it interesting - given that he starts the process in 2014, and completes transfer of all music copyrights to the NPG company in February 2016, is yet more evidence (to me) that Prince was indeed making preparations for 'leaving'...

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If his PUBLISHED musical legacy was sorted in this respect; the vault contents he had said repeatedly (in TV interviews) were to be handled by someone else however they saw fit, and PP's future had been mapped out as per his explicit instructions then there really would be no need for a will, so far as P was concerned, no?

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He had experience of being executor of a will (his Dad's), saw what a bloomin' nightmare it could be, and probably thought so long as the KEY things (in which he had a personal 'stake', ie his legacy) were concerned, it mattered naught about leaving a will.

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I shall say it again - to me - this is evidence that Prince knew his time was limited and had made all the preparations he felt he needed to make in advance.

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I concurr. It makes me sad but it also makes me realize just how smart and private he was. I admire someone who can face illness and still be disciplined enought to handle his business.

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

The reason I find it interesting - given that he starts the process in 2014, and completes transfer of all music copyrights to the NPG company in February 2016, is yet more evidence (to me) that Prince was indeed making preparations for 'leaving'...

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If his PUBLISHED musical legacy was sorted in this respect; the vault contents he had said repeatedly (in TV interviews) were to be handled by someone else however they saw fit, and PP's future had been mapped out as per his explicit instructions then there really would be no need for a will, so far as P was concerned, no?

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He had experience of being executor of a will (his Dad's), saw what a bloomin' nightmare it could be, and probably thought so long as the KEY things (in which he had a personal 'stake', ie his legacy) were concerned, it mattered naught about leaving a will.

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I shall say it again - to me - this is evidence that Prince knew his time was limited and had made all the preparations he felt he needed to make in advance.

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I concurr. It makes me sad but it also makes me realize just how smart and private he was. All the claims in the world will not effect have an effect on the corporation/music. I have doubt he directed Tyka to go to Breamer for money matters and work on the music within the corporate stucture that was alreay set up. I admire someone who can face illness and still be disciplined enought to handle his business.

lunabelle said:

udo said:

I noticed the memorandum at http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

If we ignore the Dixon content there we can find a CONtract with Prince in the PDF...

This is worth a second look. It is really interesting for as Udo point outs, the 'exhibits' included at end are nothing to do with Dixon, but instead are documents relating to Prince and copyright, relating to 2014 which was such an important year for Prince in copyright business. So forget Dixon and have a look!

Exhibit A is an 'exclusive songwriter agreement' dated April 2014 in which Prince assigns all copyright to NPG Music ( Prince's own company). As this is around the time Prince announced getting his masters back from WB , this must have been part of the business side of getting this all set up. ( How Dixon obtained this surely confidential doc is another issue).

Exhibit B is a copyright form (public document) registering all 965 songs to NPG music. Dated Feb 4 2016. so recent! As 965 sounds about right in terms of the total number of songs Prince had registered, this seems to be about him changing the registration from his own name to NPG as the copyright owner, I guess aligning it all to the new agreement with NPG.

(ahem- you can skip Exhibit D- a public library catalogue entry by Rameses: A handy manual for the serious student of spirituality)

Exhibit E is a public document recording that NPG Music Publishing is being set up as an LLC in California, dated march 2014.

Phaedrea Ellis Lamkins is listed as the manager of NPG music publishing, and we know she was credited with working with Prince to help him regain ownership of his masters.

I think these docs are interesting as offer a little window into some of the set up / preparation of the business side as he was about to enter into the new agreement with Warners (announced april 18 2014). Side note- Interesting too about the timing now that the Tyka '2 year' statement came out. Did his health situation influence whatever agreement he was setting up with Warners? Who knows.

Thank you very much! This is highly insightful.

zenarose said:

laurarichardson said:

Was yesterday the day that something was suppose to be going on with Mani case with the Star Triubune.

Wasn't it a phone conference?? I looked but haven't found anything yet.

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according to the court records, telephone motion hearing is rescheduled morning of 10/10

PRN & Mani's divorce (Star Tribune case attached.)

http://pa.courts.state.mn...fault.aspx

the case number (27-FA-06-3597)


PRNs Probate Case

http://www.mncourts.gov/I...elson.aspx

morningsong said:

PRN & Mani's divorce (Star Tribune case attached.)

http://pa.courts.state.mn...fault.aspx

the case number (27-FA-06-3597)


PRNs Probate Case

http://www.mncourts.gov/I...elson.aspx

The site for the divorce must be down. Screen says error.

They're working on Columbus Day? Wow ...

zenarose said:

morningsong said:

PRN & Mani's divorce (Star Tribune case attached.)

http://pa.courts.state.mn...fault.aspx

the case number (27-FA-06-3597)


PRNs Probate Case

http://www.mncourts.gov/I...elson.aspx

The site for the divorce must be down. Screen says error.

I get that from time to time, I'm not sure if it's the traffic they're getting or not. I just checked it and I got through, at least the first page. Many times I've gotten to the first page and could get no further, and would get an error page. But the links are good eventually.

1Sasha said:

They're working on Columbus Day? Wow ...

It's a phone meeting, so I guess the judge is working if the courthouse isn't.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

I concurr. It makes me sad but it also makes me realize just how smart and private he was. All the claims in the world will not effect have an effect on the corporation/music. I have doubt he directed Tyka to go to Breamer for money matters and work on the music within the corporate stucture that was alreay set up. I admire someone who can face illness and still be disciplined enought to handle his business.

I appreciate the effort you all put into this. This information today, does help me better understand a process was started. It atleast sounds like he was planning it in his own way. Which is how he did everything.

How the rest of us follow along can be a hot mess. Past two days have been miserable

Again, thank you for slugging through the court proceedings.

Dibblekins said:

Vox said:

Dibblekins said:

The reason I find it interesting - given that he starts the process in 2014, and completes transfer of all music copyrights to the NPG company in February 2016, is yet more evidence (to me) that Prince was indeed making preparations for 'leaving'...

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If his PUBLISHED musical legacy was sorted in this respect; the vault contents he had said repeatedly (in TV interviews) were to be handled by someone else however they saw fit, and PP's future had been mapped out as per his explicit instructions then there really would be no need for a will, so far as P was concerned, no?

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He had experience of being executor of a will (his Dad's), saw what a bloomin' nightmare it could be, and probably thought so long as the KEY things (in which he had a personal 'stake', ie his legacy) were concerned, it mattered naught about leaving a will.

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I shall say it again - to me - this is evidence that Prince knew his time was limited and had made all the preparations he felt he needed to make in advance.

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Thanks to all who have worked hard to dig information out of reams of stuff! I cant help but wonder if this is part of what P was referring to when he said he'd done everything he was sent here to do? Proving you could get ownership back, setting up the LLC, etc.? As to the state of his health, I have vacillated so many times I'm about to give it up as a mystery until/if something truly credible is announced, rather than leaks.

I am going to put this up as a separate topic as I think it is eye opening. Unfortunate that we found out from nut bar Rodney.

It looks like the signature that Mr. Dixon says is Prince's is extremely similar to the signature Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins used on the Copyright filing, which I believe is made up of her initials.

Vox said:

Vox said:

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

Vox said:

It looks like the signature that Mr. Dixon says is Prince's is extremely similar to the signature Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins used on the Copyright filing, which I believe is made up of her initials.

The thing that gets me is not one document Rodney submitted state that Rodney has control over anything. He is saying that Breamer should have no say over the music because of the transfer to NPG Music as if Breamer was not aware of this😉. In the end the NPG Inc has nothing to do with Rodney, Breamer, or the court. Rodney's name does not appear on the copyrights of songs. Rodney's name does not appear on the deeds to property. A piece of paper that was never filed with a court is just a piece paper. I believe these same claims were thrown out back in LA 20 years.

Not even one piece of paper with both their names on it in the bunch.

Vox said:

leftcoast said:

LAURA: I just found this and wondered if you had seen it before. It says that RD made a bet with P over whether or not he (P) was "The Messiah". This story is from back in May.

http://krnb.com/tonyscott/2016/05/02/man-claims-to-own-princes-music/

Too many great posts to respond to all of them. Thank you all for working so hard for clarifying all the legal jargon and keeping us posted. I personally think this last info. about NPG Publishing is one of the most interesting developments thus far. Thank you again.

zenarose said:

LAURA: I just found this and wondered if you had seen it before. It says that RD made a bet with P over whether or not he (P) was "The Messiah". This story is from back in May.

http://krnb.com/tonyscott/2016/05/02/man-claims-to-own-princes-music/

He is so insane.

In the 'Curiosities' thread, this question was asked:
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Sinnick said:

I don't know if this has ever been brought up in these death threads, but has anyone considered that the reason we keep getting vague statements regarding Prince's death may be due to Prince taking out a life insurance policy & his camp wanting to ensure the insurance company pays out. Any additional info may give the company enough cause to contest dispersing the funds (as they can argue Prince committed suicide) even if his manner of death really was accidental.

Does anyone know if life insurance companies require you to provide them with a full autopsy report or if the summarized version suffices?

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Could a life insurance policy be the 'Work Product' cited by previous lawyers of Prince (and Mani), offered up to Bremer, and said to be relevant to heirs to the estate?

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And, as Sinnick asks, would an insurance company require more than a summarised report of death?

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This may answer your question. There are comments also that include interesting information.

http://www.insuranceblogbychris.com/life-insurance-benefits-not-payable/

This has good info specific to MN

http://www.ag.state.mn.us/Consumer/Handbooks/Probate/Probate_1.asp

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zenarose said:

This may answer your question. There are comments also that include interesting information.

http://www.insuranceblogbychris.com/life-insurance-benefits-not-payable/

OK - the first thing that struck me was the mention of TWO YEARS - odd coincidence or what, given that two years is the time-frame mentioned by Tyka, and the period in which many of us felt that Prince starting to look / act 'different' - including his transferral of musical copyrights to NPG.

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Dibblekins said:

zenarose said:

This may answer your question. There are comments also that include interesting information.

http://www.insuranceblogbychris.com/life-insurance-benefits-not-payable/

OK - the first thing that struck me was the mention of TWO YEARS - odd coincidence or what, given that two years is the time-frame mentioned by Tyka, and the period in which many of us felt that Prince starting to look / act 'different' - including his transferral of musical copyrights to NPG.

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Right!! Your mind is on the same page with mine.

I added this above in an edit. Didn't know if you caught it. Good info also.

http://www.ag.state.mn.us/Consumer/Handbooks/Probate/Probate_1.asp

zenarose said:

Dibblekins said:

OK - the first thing that struck me was the mention of TWO YEARS - odd coincidence or what, given that two years is the time-frame mentioned by Tyka, and the period in which many of us felt that Prince starting to look / act 'different' - including his transferral of musical copyrights to NPG.

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Right!! Your mind is on the same page with mine.

No doubt many others will state it's all coincidental - but it has always seemed to me, given Prince's dropping of many hints / symbolic gestures, and now the copyright dealings coming to light, that the last two years of his life were very significant.

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I am also wondering...Do family members get a 'say' into what is revealed in the public (summarised) 'record of death' published by the ME? Of course, they can't have the ME falsify data, but do they get the opportunity to ask him / her to exclude extraneous detail (using the 'factors...that may have contributed to the death or event of death may be listed in the other significant conditions section' get-out clause)?

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Dibblekins said:

zenarose said:

Right!! Your mind is on the same page with mine.

No doubt many others will state it's all coincidental - but it has always seemed to me, given Prince's dropping of many hints / symbolic gestures, and now the copyright dealings coming to light, that the last two years of his life were very significant.

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I am also wondering...Do family members get a 'say' into what is revealed in the public (summarised) 'record of death' published by the ME? Of course, they can't have the ME falsify data, but do they get the opportunity to ask him / her to exclude extraneous detail (using the 'factors...that may have contributed to the death or event of death may be listed in the other significant conditions section' get-out clause)?

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From what I understand ( in MN) the ME reports only the cause and manner of death. The rest of

the autopsy findings are private for 30 years or if there is a criminal trial the info would be a matter

of public record.

zenarose said:

Dibblekins said:

No doubt many others will state it's all coincidental - but it has always seemed to me, given Prince's dropping of many hints / symbolic gestures, and now the copyright dealings coming to light, that the last two years of his life were very significant.

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I am also wondering...Do family members get a 'say' into what is revealed in the public (summarised) 'record of death' published by the ME? Of course, they can't have the ME falsify data, but do they get the opportunity to ask him / her to exclude extraneous detail (using the 'factors...that may have contributed to the death or event of death may be listed in the other significant conditions section' get-out clause)?

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From what I understand ( in MN) the ME reports only the cause and manner of death. The rest of

the autopsy findings are private for 30 years or if there is a criminal trial the info would be a matter

of public record.

Thanks, Zena, yes, I know that bit - but I was curious as to whether family members get a say in the very particular details published in that summarised version...

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I still think that, even if a criminal trial doesn't ensue, the media might try to push for the autopsy results to be released - especially if it's seen to be in the public interest (which it would be, if P's demise is going to be used as a reason for changing the laws on drugs, for example).

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