laurarichardson said:

Rev said:

In regards to Tyka's comments about knowing and not being surprised.

If Prince felt this was inevitable, why the hell didn't get his house in order.

Giving up half of his money to a government he felt was failing it's people.

Leaving his life's work / legacy in the hands of lawyers to sort through.

I don't assume any would have had the standing to tell Prince to get

his shit together, but I believed he we was smarter than this.

Sorry, just very frustrated with these people clawing for his fame and money.

--Even if he had a will he would have to pay estate taxes. He could have put some money in a trust we have no knowledge of that and we still don't know what that work product was. He had oddles of real estate worth about 50 million. It could be that he was planning on making a will and ran out of time.

like wine you get better with time is my all favorite line

laurarichardson said:

Rev said:

In regards to Tyka's comments about knowing and not being surprised.

If Prince felt this was inevitable, why the hell didn't get his house in order.

Giving up half of his money to a government he felt was failing it's people.

Leaving his life's work / legacy in the hands of lawyers to sort through.

I don't assume any would have had the standing to tell Prince to get

his shit together, but I believed he we was smarter than this.

Sorry, just very frustrated with these people clawing for his fame and money.

--Even if he had a will he would have to pay estate taxes. He could have put some money in a trust we have no knowledge of that and we still don't know what that work product was. He had oddles of real estate worth about 50 million. It could be that he was planning on making a will and ran out of time.

like wine you get better with time is my all favorite line

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said:

I thought the judge got rid of Rodney. He's back! He says he has power of attorney (or is he asking for power of attorney?), and he's asking to be the personal representative of the estate.

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

-/- Check out his website he is insane.

Just skimming his statement, I don't see anything on any document he submitted where his name or company is in conjunction with Prince's name or companies. So outside of this being a bunch of papers submitted I'm not sure what he's going for.

morningsong said:

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said: -/- Check out his website he is insane.

Just skimming his statement, I don't see anything on any document he submitted where his name or company is in conjunction with Prince's name or companies. So outside of this being a bunch of papers submitted I'm not sure what he's going for.

He is going for the loony bin.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said:

Just skimming his statement, I don't see anything on any document he submitted where his name or company is in conjunction with Prince's name or companies. So outside of this being a bunch of papers submitted I'm not sure what he's going for.

He is going for the loony bin.

Did you read my little cut and paste above regarding what the judge said about John Ls paternity to Prince?


Might be a few random words added due to my devices auto-correct feeling the need to help when I didn't ask it to. Tried to clean it up but it was getting late and I was getting blurry-eyed.

morningsong said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

He is going for the loony bin.

Did you read my little cut and paste above regarding what the judge said about John Ls paternity to Prince?


Might be a few random words added due to my devices auto-correct feeling the need to help when I didn't ask it to. Tried to clean it up but it was getting late and I was getting blurry-eyed.

I read it when the Judge issued this Order. Did you have a question about his decision? I can answer if you do.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said:

Did you read my little cut and paste above regarding what the judge said about John Ls paternity to Prince?


Might be a few random words added due to my devices auto-correct feeling the need to help when I didn't ask it to. Tried to clean it up but it was getting late and I was getting blurry-eyed.

I read it when the Judge issued this Order. Did you have a question about his decision? I can answer if you do.

It was in answer to my statement that VNs attorney may be using this since no DNA test was taken to prove Prince's paternity, the judge stating that it is presumed that John L. was his father based on the fact he acted as his father and was listed on the BC.

morningsong said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I read it when the Judge issued this Order. Did you have a question about his decision? I can answer if you do.

It was in answer to my statement that VNs attorney may be using this since no DNA test was taken to prove Prince's paternity, the judge stating that it is presumed that John L. was his father based on the fact he acted as his father and was listed on the BC.

Actually, the Judge is not saying John L. acted as his father.

He is saying there is a presumption of paternity when a child is born during a marriage.

Later, when Mattie and John L divorced, John L was adjudicated the legal father of P in the final divorce decree.

No one came forward to contest P's paternity at the time of P's birth, nor later during the divorce when John L was adjudicated as P's father.

He concludes that the claimants cannot make a claim that someone else is P's father because John L was P's presumed, and adjudicated father, and as a result their claim is not timely.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said:

It was in answer to my statement that VNs attorney may be using this since no DNA test was taken to prove Prince's paternity, the judge stating that it is presumed that John L. was his father based on the fact he acted as his father and was listed on the BC.

Actually, the Judge is not saying John L. acted as his father.

He is saying there is a presumption of paternity when a child is born during a marriage.

Later, when Mattie and John L divorced, John L was adjudicated the legal father of P in the final divorce decree.

No one came forward to contest P's paternity at the time of P's birth, nor later during the divorce when John L was adjudicated as P's father.

He concludes that the claimants cannot make a claim that someone else is P's father because John L was P's presumed, and adjudicated father, and as a result their claim is not timely.

its the blind leading the blind its time to redeem GOD

Highonpurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Actually, the Judge is not saying John L. acted as his father.

He is saying there is a presumption of paternity when a child is born during a marriage.

Later, when Mattie and John L divorced, John L was adjudicated the legal father of P in the final divorce decree.

No one came forward to contest P's paternity at the time of P's birth, nor later during the divorce when John L was adjudicated as P's father.

He concludes that the claimants cannot make a claim that someone else is P's father because John L was P's presumed, and adjudicated father, and as a result their claim is not timely.

its the blind leading the blind its time to redeem GOD

redeem God? Somehow that grammar doesn't sound right.

Redeem definition - {compensate for the faults or bad aspects of (something). } If God messes up not much I can do about it. God's on his own on that one.

- { gain or regain possession of (something) in exchange for payment.} Now you have to pay for God? That's new.

Perhaps you should spend more time on your homework and less time pretending to sound profound cause it ain't working.

[Edited 10/6/16 18:50pm]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said:

It was in answer to my statement that VNs attorney may be using this since no DNA test was taken to prove Prince's paternity, the judge stating that it is presumed that John L. was his father based on the fact he acted as his father and was listed on the BC.

Actually, the Judge is not saying John L. acted as his father.

He is saying there is a presumption of paternity when a child is born during a marriage.

Later, when Mattie and John L divorced, John L was adjudicated the legal father of P in the final divorce decree.

No one came forward to contest P's paternity at the time of P's birth, nor later during the divorce when John L was adjudicated as P's father.

He concludes that the claimants cannot make a claim that someone else is P's father because John L was P's presumed, and adjudicated father, and as a result their claim is not timely.

Ok, I see. Marriage and divorce decrees play a part.

Highonpurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Actually, the Judge is not saying John L. acted as his father.

He is saying there is a presumption of paternity when a child is born during a marriage.

Later, when Mattie and John L divorced, John L was adjudicated the legal father of P in the final divorce decree.

No one came forward to contest P's paternity at the time of P's birth, nor later during the divorce when John L was adjudicated as P's father.

He concludes that the claimants cannot make a claim that someone else is P's father because John L was P's presumed, and adjudicated father, and as a result their claim is not timely.

its the blind leading the blind its time to redeem GOD

Highonpurple dont add words to my post making it look as though I am the one who wrote this last line!!

I am done with you.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said:

Highonpurple said:

your absolutly right on that one i'm far from profound

sorry bit old school and not tech savy, I should have copied prince literallly on his song "welcome to the dawn" when he sings when the light of god is the only thing in life that will redeem welcome to the dawn hope you can forgive me

peace

but you must agree when he sings its the blind leading the blind this resonates today

english is not my mother tong and thank you for staying on top correcting were needed

weird how my letters are shrinking

Any prince fan i'm a fan of you

love is what brings joy

addicted 24/7 2 prince

redeem God? Somehow that grammar doesn't sound right.

Redeem definition - {compensate for the faults or bad aspects of (something). } If God messes up not much I can do about it. God's on his own on that one.

- { gain or regain possession of (something) in exchange for payment.} Now you have to pay for God? That's new.

Perhaps you should spend more time on your homework and less time pretending to sound profound cause it ain't working.

[Edited 10/6/16 18:50pm]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Highonpurple said:

yes i owe you a big apology learning my way slowly, but please don't leave me standing.

a cool line to expand your frustrations we all have

peace and more truth we seek

Highonpurple dont add words to my post making it look as though I am the one who wrote this last line!!

I am done with you.

I am sure someone else has said this before, but DNA test everyone. Start with the siblings then go from there.

Was yesterday the day that something was suppose to be going on with Mani case with the Star Triubune.

1Sasha said:

I am sure someone else has said this before, but DNA test everyone. Start with the siblings then go from there.

That is what I think the judge is going to do. No blood relationship you are out. No documents you are out.

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

I am sure someone else has said this before, but DNA test everyone. Start with the siblings then go from there.

That is what I think the judge is going to do. No blood relationship you are out. No documents you are out.

Agreed. DNA would be a good start. But rest assured that there will be years and years of appeals until every dime is gone.

I noticed the memorandum at http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

If we ignore the Dixon content there we can find a CONtract with Prince in the PDF...

udo said:

I noticed the memorandum at http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

If we ignore the Dixon content there we can find a CONtract with Prince in the PDF...

That does not look like Prince's signature and do you really believe that they day he got his masters back he signed over everything to this guy. Even making him have power of attorney over his affairs? Would their not be other copies of these documents in the Carver County courthouse and would Breamer not have been able to locate them before taking over as the administrator?

The are just going to contact Phreda Parks andVan Jones find out he is providing the court with forged documents.

Part of his claim was thrown out of court in LA 20 years ago. The other half he was asked to provide documents for before and he did not. He know goes back and presents documents which are forged.

He is either mentally disturbed or a con-man.

zenarose said:

laurarichardson said:

That is what I think the judge is going to do. No blood relationship you are out. No documents you are out.

Agreed. DNA would be a good start. But rest assured that there will be years and years of appeals until every dime is gone.

You can't appeal DNA. I do not think any court will rule in favor of the Duane spawn. It would set a terrible precedent for probates proceedings and estates. Anyone could claim they are in heir based on a relationship they had with a decesed person. This is not fair to actual heirs and I would expect does not offer them equal protection under the law.

In addtion, girlfriends, buddies and distant cousins would all line up for money.

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

I noticed the memorandum at http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

If we ignore the Dixon content there we can find a CONtract with Prince in the PDF...

That does not look like Prince's signature and do you really believe that they day he got his masters back he signed over everything to this guy. Even making him have power of attorney over his affairs? Would their not be other copies of these documents in the Carver County courthouse and would Breamer not have been able to locate them before taking over as the administrator?

The are just going to contact Phreda Parks andVan Jones find out he is providing the court with forged documents.

Part of his claim was thrown out of court in LA 20 years ago. The other half he was asked to provide documents for before and he did not. He know goes back and presents documents which are forged.

He is either mentally disturbed or a con-man.

BOTH!!! con-man and disturbed!!

zenarose said:

laurarichardson said:

That does not look like Prince's signature and do you really believe that they day he got his masters back he signed over everything to this guy. Even making him have power of attorney over his affairs? Would their not be other copies of these documents in the Carver County courthouse and would Breamer not have been able to locate them before taking over as the administrator?

The are just going to contact Phreda Parks andVan Jones find out he is providing the court with forged documents.

Part of his claim was thrown out of court in LA 20 years ago. The other half he was asked to provide documents for before and he did not. He know goes back and presents documents which are forged.

He is either mentally disturbed or a con-man.

BOTH!!! con-man and disturbed!!

If you or I a member of the public can go to the Carver County website and see all kinds of information concerning Prince, Siblings, Parents, and businesses why would Breamer and all of the other attorneys involved not have been able to find these documents which I think these doc mean nothing if they were not filled with a court. ( Maybe one of our legal eagles can fill us in) The should charge him forgery and perjury

laurarichardson said:

zenarose said:

BOTH!!! con-man and disturbed!!

If you or I a member of the public can go to the Carver County website and see all kinds of information concerning Prince, Siblings, Parents, and businesses why would Breamer and all of the other attorneys involved not have been able to find these documents which I think these doc mean nothing if they were not filled with a court. ( Maybe one of our legal eagles can fill us in) The should charge him forgery and perjury

I have looked at CC and HC sites for hours!!

RD surely needs to locked out and fined. Does he not know that the Judge can make his life somewhat

uncomfortable??

udo said:

I noticed the memorandum at http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

If we ignore the Dixon content there we can find a CONtract with Prince in the PDF...

This is worth a second look. It is really interesting for as Udo point outs, the 'exhibits' included at end are nothing to do with Dixon, but instead are documents relating to Prince and copyright, relating to 2014 which was such an important year for Prince in copyright business. So forget Dixon and have a look!

Exhibit A is an 'exclusive songwriter agreement' dated April 2014 in which Prince assigns all copyright to NPG Music ( Prince's own company). As this is around the time Prince announced getting his masters back from WB , this must have been part of the business side of getting this all set up. ( How Dixon obtained this surely confidential doc is another issue).

Exhibit B is a copyright form (public document) registering all 965 songs to NPG music. Dated Feb 4 2016. so recent! As 965 sounds about right in terms of the total number of songs Prince had registered, this seems to be about him changing the registration from his own name to NPG as the copyright owner, I guess aligning it all to the new agreement with NPG.

(ahem- you can skip Exhibit D- a public library catalogue entry by Rameses: A handy manual for the serious student of spirituality)

Exhibit E is a public document recording that NPG Music Publishing is being set up as an LLC in California, dated march 2014.

Phaedrea Ellis Lamkins is listed as the manager of NPG music publishing, and we know she was credited with working with Prince to help him regain ownership of his masters.

I think these docs are interesting as offer a little window into some of the set up / preparation of the business side as he was about to enter into the new agreement with Warners (announced april 18 2014). Side note- Interesting too about the timing now that the Tyka '2 year' statement came out. Did his health situation influence whatever agreement he was setting up with Warners? Who knows.

lunabelle said:

udo said:

I noticed the memorandum at http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

If we ignore the Dixon content there we can find a CONtract with Prince in the PDF...

This is worth a second look. It is really interesting for as Udo point outs, the 'exhibits' included at end are nothing to do with Dixon, but instead are documents relating to Prince and copyright, relating to 2014 which was such an important year for Prince in copyright business. So forget Dixon and have a look!

Exhibit A is an 'exclusive songwriter agreement' dated April 2014 in which Prince assigns all copyright to NPG Music ( Prince's own company). As this is around the time Prince announced getting his masters back from WB , this must have been part of the business side of getting this all set up. ( How Dixon obtained this surely confidential doc is another issue).

Exhibit B is a copyright form (public document) registering all 965 songs to NPG music. Dated Feb 4 2016. so recent! As 965 sounds about right in terms of the total number of songs Prince had registered, this seems to be about him changing the registration from his own name to NPG as the copyright owner, I guess aligning it all to the new agreement with NPG.

(ahem- you can skip Exhibit D- a public library catalogue entry by Rameses: A handy manual for the serious student of spirituality)

Exhibit E is a public document recording that NPG Music Publishing is being set up as an LLC in California, dated march 2014.

Phaedrea Ellis Lamkins is listed as the manager of NPG music publishing, and we know she was credited with working with Prince to help him regain ownership of his masters.

I think these docs are interesting as offer a little window into some of the set up / preparation of the business side as he was about to enter into the new agreement with Warners (announced april 18 2014). Side note- Interesting too about the timing now that the Tyka '2 year' statement came out. Did his health situation influence whatever agreement he was setting up with Warners? Who knows.

That's interesting...Would that be done to ensure that all 'shareholders' in NPG would own the copyright to his music after his demise, rather than it being in his name alone? If the company (and its shareholders) 'own' the music, wouldn't that offset the need for his having to make a will to that effect?

Dibblekins said:

lunabelle said:

This is worth a second look. It is really interesting for as Udo point outs, the 'exhibits' included at end are nothing to do with Dixon, but instead are documents relating to Prince and copyright, relating to 2014 which was such an important year for Prince in copyright business. So forget Dixon and have a look!

Exhibit A is an 'exclusive songwriter agreement' dated April 2014 in which Prince assigns all copyright to NPG Music ( Prince's own company). As this is around the time Prince announced getting his masters back from WB , this must have been part of the business side of getting this all set up. ( How Dixon obtained this surely confidential doc is another issue).

Exhibit B is a copyright form (public document) registering all 965 songs to NPG music. Dated Feb 4 2016. so recent! As 965 sounds about right in terms of the total number of songs Prince had registered, this seems to be about him changing the registration from his own name to NPG as the copyright owner, I guess aligning it all to the new agreement with NPG.

(ahem- you can skip Exhibit D- a public library catalogue entry by Rameses: A handy manual for the serious student of spirituality)

Exhibit E is a public document recording that NPG Music Publishing is being set up as an LLC in California, dated march 2014.

Phaedrea Ellis Lamkins is listed as the manager of NPG music publishing, and we know she was credited with working with Prince to help him regain ownership of his masters.

I think these docs are interesting as offer a little window into some of the set up / preparation of the business side as he was about to enter into the new agreement with Warners (announced april 18 2014). Side note- Interesting too about the timing now that the Tyka '2 year' statement came out. Did his health situation influence whatever agreement he was setting up with Warners? Who knows.

That's interesting...Would that be done to ensure that all 'shareholders' in NPG would own the copyright to his music after his demise, rather than it being in his name alone? If the company (and its shareholders) 'own' the music, wouldn't that offset the need for his having to make a will to that effect?

Yes, it would and all of the music on Tidal for instances is licensed from NPG music. We already seen things from the family references NPG music and Tyka has enlisted the legal team from a large entertainment law firm and she is already discussing putting out new music. I also believed that moving the music into a coporation helped with his taxes. Think about it he would have been receiving all royalties, fees, licenses putting in a coporation would take the tax burden off him.

I always suspect that he made some provisions for his music and it appears he did it with this corporation. Just like some of his land is titled in the name of LoveForOneAnother and not his name.

However, I do not see anything documents giving Mr. Dixon power of attorney over the estate or believe he has any real involvement concerning the estate or copyrights. He is not an attorney so why would anyone have needed his involvment? He also had sued Prince and Warner Brothers before and loss. I can't see why anyone would get involved with him again if Prince was ever involved with him in the first place. Check out his website. http://www.slrd.net/

[Edited 10/7/16 10:01am]

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

That's interesting...Would that be done to ensure that all 'shareholders' in NPG would own the copyright to his music after his demise, rather than it being in his name alone? If the company (and its shareholders) 'own' the music, wouldn't that offset the need for his having to make a will to that effect?

Yes, it would and all of the music on Tidal for instances is licensed from NPG music. We already seen things from the family references NPG music and Tyka has enlisted the legal team from a large entertainment law firm and she is already discussing putting out new music. I always suspect that he made some provisions for his music and it appears he did it with this corporation. Just like some of his land is titled in the name of LoveForOneAnother and not his name.

However, I do not see anything documents giving Mr. Dixon power of attorney over the estate or believe he has any real involvement concerning the estate or copyrights. He is not an attorney so why would anyone have needed his involvment? He also had sued Prince and Warner Brothers before and loss. I can't see why anyone would get involved with him again if Prince was ever involved with him in the first place. Check out his website. http://www.slrd.net/

The reason I find it interesting - given that he starts the process in 2014, and completes transfer of all music copyrights to the NPG company in February 2016, is yet more evidence (to me) that Prince was indeed making preparations for 'leaving'...

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If his PUBLISHED musical legacy was sorted in this respect; the vault contents he had said repeatedly (in TV interviews) were to be handled by someone else however they saw fit, and PP's future had been mapped out as per his explicit instructions then there really would be no need for a will, so far as P was concerned, no?

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He had experience of being executor of a will (his Dad's), saw what a bloomin' nightmare it could be, and probably thought so long as the KEY things (in which he had a personal 'stake', ie his legacy) were concerned, it mattered naught about leaving a will.

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I shall say it again - to me - this is evidence that Prince knew his time was limited and had made all the preparations he felt he needed to make in advance.

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