The Estate - Part 4

nelcp777 said:

morningsong said:

Yep sounds legit he co-created with Prince and nobody else, I read that in one of his several filings. I also read that PR the movie (and GB), the "beef" between The Kid and Morris was actually the story of the reallife beef between Prince and the "Merc" aka Dixon. Seems like everything in Prince's professional life is essentially tied to Dixon, according to Dixon. Yep, sounds completely sane to me.

Were you being sarcastic? I could not tell from your reply so just asking for clarificaiton.

Yes I was being sarcastic. Would that look legitimate to you?

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Reply #391 posted 10/20/16 3:53pm

Mkilpatrick74

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tmo1965 said:

My name would not be on my child's friend's birth certificate either. In court, it does not matter whether or not a parent acted as a parent to the child. Unfortunately, there are lots of parents who are not involved in their kids' lives, but those kids can, and do, inherit from these absent parents. What counts are official documents and the law. For example, if any of John L's other children were born while John L was married to their mother, but he is known not to be the biological father, according to the law, he is the father (I know this from personal experience). The fact that he is not the biological father does not matter in court, so that child would have to be counted as an heir in this case. I know this is not the situation with Duane.

Likewise, in a court of law, the fact that John L's name is on official documents as Duane's father may be enough to declare Duane's offspring as heirs of Prince, even without a dna test.

I am so cynical that I went back into the documents to see if the font for John's name on Duane's birth certificate looked different in any way from the rest of the typing on the document. It looks the same but does not seem to be in bold type like the rest of it. However I have a new question for any one at all that may be from Minnesota. I noticed that there is an additional form that was signed by VN's parents (Duane Jr. and Jeannine Halloran). It seems to be supplemental to the birth certificate called the Minnesota Voluntary Recognition of Parentage. Is this form standard practice for all birth certificates or just for unmarried parents? the form seems to be what makes the parentage legal. The reason I ask is the form for Duane Sr. was not included with the Birth Certificate submission so who knows if John L signed it. But the birth certificate should not matter cause the Gil's already stated they are not related to John L. Ugh! [Edited 10/18/16 18:30pm]

The Parentage Form is for unmarried parents. It is relatively new in the legal world (within the past 20 years) so this form was not available at the time of Duane's birth. It is an acknowledgement of paternity. However, since the parents are not married you still have to be recognized in a Court of Law that you are the legal father.

Thank you for the answer😊

Sounds like the fOrm my husband had to fill out and file with court to have his name added to our daughters birth certificate. We were not married at time she was conceived and I gave her my last name initially. After several years we worked it out and married. In order to change her last name and have him be identified as legal father, that form was required

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Reply #392 posted 10/20/16 4:05pm

morningsong	Entire list of public filings for PRN & Mani's divorce (Star Tribune case attached.) http://pa.courts.state.mn...fault.aspx the case number (27-FA-06-3597) Entire list of public filings for PRNs Probate Case http://www.mncourts.gov/I...elson.aspx
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Reply #393 posted 10/20/16 4:16pm

morningsong	Haven't found the specfic one regarding PR the movie BUT...this should keep anyone even just glancing over it, entertained. http://www.mncourts.gov/m...-Doxon.pdf
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Reply #394 posted 10/20/16 4:44pm

nelcp777	morningsong said: nelcp777 said: Were you being sarcastic? I could not tell from your reply so just asking for clarificaiton. Yes I was being sarcastic. Would that look legitimate to you? By no means, no it would not. I have always enjoyed your comments and analysis. I was getting worried, plus a long and stressful day at work.
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Reply #395 posted 10/20/16 7:25pm

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

Damned near drove me nuts trying to find it.

The film Purple Rain was about two rival musicians in Minneapolis battling one another. Graffiti Bridge included these same two men; Prince and Morris in another Epic battle. Graffiti Bridge had nowhere near the success of Purple Rain. Notwithstanding, the real conflicts between Prince and Mr. Dixon was much hotter than the rivalry between Prince and Morris Day. In fact, the conflicts between Prince and (Merc) was the inspiration for Purple Rain, Graffiti Bridge and even a comic book Prince created. However, the battle between Prince and Morris Day would seem like more of the cartoon compared to the battle of Prince and Merc that was spilling out into real life (the court system and the streets). That battle was a spiritual battle more likened to the movie ‘Highlander’. While the two men spoke at Glam Slam, Prince promised to do his part to get this movie made since Merc’s release to the public was being hindered by outside forces. Merc (Rodney H. Dixon) promised to do his part to get this movie made as well. The movie would not have the impact it needed Without Mere coming to the forefront of public attention as an adversary to Prince. No other concept would compare to the one already inserted into the courts. The story would end with both men unifying for a common spiritual mission to bring spiritual loveg‘to the center of music. The symbol would have great meaning and great marketing potential. Prince offered Mr. Dixon an Exclusive Songwriter Agreement with the provision for the movie to be made.

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Reply #396 posted 10/20/16 7:45pm

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Reply #397 posted 10/21/16 4:22am

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lorenzolee said:
laurarichardson said:

The case that he had back in 94 was thrown out. I believe in his previous filing the Breamer attorneys had the 94 trail info as a response to his bogus claim.

He has no written proof that he owns anything so even if he is telling the truth ( why would Prince give his entire music catalogue to this guy for a $1.00?) so what. His name is not on the copyrights to anything. If he wants to go to the family and make an offer for the catalogue he is free to do so like anyone else.

He does not seem like he is crazy. He is crazy. Check out his website.

there's no proof that anyone has a contract with prince, if you YouTube The Tavist Smiley interview with prince, He states himself that his company doesn't do Written contracts... so issuing a dollar is considered A consideration of a dept owed ,not a catalogue Purchase . I'm sure there are many artist that have also Co-created music with prince, but they haven't made A claim in this probate ... I don't think he deserves a billion dollars But if his claims are true , on co-creating some music , he should get Justice for exactly what's owed, if anything . Saying someone is crazy for standing up for themselves is Making an assumption that we were there when the two parties Entered into whatever agreement if any. I'm not sure...none can be sure. The paper work in exhibits shows that the Law suit in 94 was not dismissed totally , It was only dismissed as far as WB Records, It remained in effect against Prince. I read all 66 pages and all his filings, and as I have knowledge of Copyright contract Law. Only in my opinion, he has a claim...even if it's 1000 dollars He isn't crazy. My question is, how was he the only one Who introduced Prince Contract for his vault into Probate..how did he know prince filed it In the library of Congress.. no one else knew it, Not the Family, not the special administrator . Hmmm things that make you go hmmmm.

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As much as Prince talked about not having contracts he had them. We know he had them back in the WB days and he had to have them for employees to keep them from running their mouths.

My thinking is he may have done somethings on a handshake like the Musicology tour but keep in mind his ass was directly on the line if the tour bombed

He is not the only one introducting anything into the Probate. My guess is Breamer has all of these documents and Dixion got them from discovery. How would Breamer at this point not know about the LLC? How would the administer of the estate not know about NPG records and publishing Some portion of it or maybe all of it is a part of the estate depending on how it was structured. Dixion is not providing any information that was not known by the probate court about Prince's publishing.

He has no claim because he has no written contract and copyrights on any of the music. What was in effect from the 94 suit because Prince continued on with his carreer with no involvment of Mr. Dixion? Did the court in 94 award Mr. Dixion anything in that case? Why is the judge in this case kicking out Mr. Dixion's claims if he won something in the 94 case.

Check out his website he is fucking crazy.

The next thing you know the woman that say she was spirtually married to Prince since 1980 and is owed 3 milllion should get her share as well because she has no marriage certificate but her word is good enough.

Our judicial system does not go on people's recollections. You have to have written proof. If you want to get paid off of songs then you need to own the copyright on some portion of the copyrighted material or have proof it was stolen from you. What proof does Rodney have beyond his statements which seem to have changed a few times since 1994? In addtion, if some asshat like this guy gets any of P's music what do you think will happen to the music.

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Reply #398 posted 10/21/16 8:39am

zenarose	Just posted http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Simmons-Reply-Memo-to-Non-Excluded-Heirs-Motion-of-10-17-16.pdf
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Reply #399 posted 10/21/16 8:57am

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zenarose said:

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http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Simmons-Reply-Memo-to-Non-Excluded-Heirs-Motion-of-10-17-16.pdf

I have never seen an attorney not indent in a filed Court pleading.

The prior document they filed on behalf of Corey spelled "judgment" as "judgement."

Judgment is the proper spelling in legal proceedings.

I know it is such a small detail but it makes me go hmmmmm.

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Reply #400 posted 10/21/16 9:03am

zenarose

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

zenarose said:

Just posted

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Simmons-Reply-Memo-to-Non-Excluded-Heirs-Motion-of-10-17-16.pdf

I have never seen an attorney not indent in a filed Court pleading.

The prior document they filed on behalf of Corey spelled "judgment" as "judgement."

Judgment is the proper spelling in legal proceedings.

I know it is such a small detail but it makes me go hmmmmm.

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I have noticed stuff like that myself. Court filings have always had to be "perfect". But I see many

mistakes and I was wondering if this is acceptable nowdays.

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Reply #401 posted 10/21/16 10:40am

zenarose said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I have never seen an attorney not indent in a filed Court pleading.

The prior document they filed on behalf of Corey spelled "judgment" as "judgement."

Judgment is the proper spelling in legal proceedings.

I know it is such a small detail but it makes me go hmmmmm.

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I have noticed stuff like that myself. Court filings have always had to be "perfect". But I see many

mistakes and I was wondering if this is acceptable nowdays.

They are having a public hearing taking place right now for Corey.

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Reply #402 posted 10/21/16 10:59am

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morningsong said:

zenarose said:

I have noticed stuff like that myself. Court filings have always had to be "perfect". But I see many

mistakes and I was wondering if this is acceptable nowdays.

They are having a public hearing taking place right now for Corey.

I think the hearing is for all 3.

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Reply #403 posted 10/21/16 11:26am

morningsong	ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: morningsong said: They are having a public hearing taking place right now for Corey. I think the hearing is for all 3. Yeah, I see. I like how they underlined his name. AMENDED SCHEDULING ORDER REGARDING THE CLAIMS OF BRIANNA NELSON AND V.N. AND COREY SIMMONS TO BE HEIRS OF THE ESTATE
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Reply #404 posted 10/21/16 12:02pm

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Today marks 6-months since we lost our Prince. Lots of news on the Star Tribune today....

http://www.startribune.com/what-should-prince-s-estate-do-to-keep-his-music-alive/397828981/

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)

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Reply #405 posted 10/21/16 12:20pm

laurarichardso n	cloveringold85 said: Today marks 6-months since we lost our Prince. Lots of news on the Star Tribune today.... . http://www.startribune.com/what-should-prince-s-estate-do-to-keep-his-music-alive/397828981/ -/ Funny to see the Star go in this direction after all their other bullshit.
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Reply #406 posted 10/21/16 2:50pm

Interesting.

Until the Probate Code’s amendments in 2010, Minn.Stat. §524.2-114 (2), “Meaning Of Child And Related Terms”, provided two concepts. First, that a person is the child of the person’s parents regardless of the marital status of the parents. Second, this statute also provided that “the parent and child relationship may be established under the parentage act, sections 257.51 and 257.74.” [emphasis added]

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Reply #407 posted 10/21/16 3:15pm

bilbolives	http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ESTATE?SITE=WNYC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT The Associated Press is reporting the Judge Eide told Tyka and the half-siblings' attorneys today that he will try to rule quickly on whether or not to grant heirship to the purported niece, grandniece, and nephew.
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Reply #408 posted 10/21/16 3:22pm

bilbolives	http://www.startribune.com/lawyers-argue-over-who-s-prince-s-rightful-heirs/397970491/ The Minneapolis Star Tribune is also reporting on all the lawyers arguing for their positions today in front of Judge Eide.
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Reply #409 posted 10/21/16 3:48pm

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bilbolives said:

http://www.startribune.com/lawyers-argue-over-who-s-prince-s-rightful-heirs/397970491/

The Minneapolis Star Tribune is also reporting on all the lawyers arguing for their positions today in front of Judge Eide.

Oh Lord.....what a mess!! disbelief

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)

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Reply #410 posted 10/21/16 4:34pm

bilbolives said:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ESTATE?SITE=WNYC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press is reporting the Judge Eide told Tyka and the half-siblings' attorneys today that he will try to rule quickly on whether or not to grant heirship to the purported niece, grandniece, and nephew.

Can you blame him? This is the hold up with closing everything out pretty much. Most of the rest are frivilous claims, many that keep repeating themselves. Once he closes this he one can just go down his checklist denying most, maybe issuing one time payment for a couple of others, and then close the case file.

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Reply #411 posted 10/21/16 4:40pm

morningsong said:

bilbolives said:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ESTATE?SITE=WNYC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press is reporting the Judge Eide told Tyka and the half-siblings' attorneys today that he will try to rule quickly on whether or not to grant heirship to the purported niece, grandniece, and nephew.

Can you blame him? This is the hold up with closing everything out pretty much. Most of the rest are frivilous claims, many that keep repeating themselves. Once he closes this he one can just go down his checklist denying most, maybe issuing one time payment for a couple of others, and then close the case file.

So I guess we'll know Monday, because the courthouse is closed now.

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Reply #412 posted 10/21/16 4:54pm

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morningsong said:

morningsong said:

Can you blame him? This is the hold up with closing everything out pretty much. Most of the rest are frivilous claims, many that keep repeating themselves. Once he closes this he one can just go down his checklist denying most, maybe issuing one time payment for a couple of others, and then close the case file.

So I guess we'll know Monday, because the courthouse is closed now.

No decision on Monday, unless the Judge said Monday. He wil issue a written decision and it will take longer than a couple days

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Reply #413 posted 10/21/16 5:37pm

morningsong	ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: morningsong said: So I guess we'll know Monday, because the courthouse is closed now. No decision on Monday, unless the Judge said Monday. He wil issue a written decision and it will take longer than a couple days . Okay, but next week then? Maybe?
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Reply #414 posted 10/21/16 7:17pm

StopIt

Attorneys and estate handlers BILL in 3-6 minute intervals for reading whatever is filed.

They could care less whether it means anything or not.

The frivolous filings by the repeat offenders could have been reigned in by a Judge with a pair much more efficiently and well before now.

The Judge is letting the lawyers get paid from the estate for "reviewing" more voluminous filings, that is all.

Tit for tat.

nelcp777 said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:
Can u imagine being one of the attorney's for his estate amd having to actually read thru that entire document Dixon submitted? I couldn't do it lol

I agree. I have to sporadically read thru them. Kinda feel bad a little for the attorneys. I wonder if Dixon is on the org, he mentioned something to the effect of the doubting of Prince's signature in the supporting exhibits. I did question that here in the discussion. Interesting dude.

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Reply #415 posted 10/21/16 7:29pm

StopIt

Other lawyers among us here disagree with your thoughts below.

Just sayin'

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

zenarose said:

Just posted

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Simmons-Reply-Memo-to-Non-Excluded-Heirs-Motion-of-10-17-16.pdf

I have never seen an attorney not indent in a filed Court pleading.

The prior document they filed on behalf of Corey spelled "judgment" as "judgement."

Judgment is the proper spelling in legal proceedings.

I know it is such a small detail but it makes me go hmmmmm.

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Reply #416 posted 10/22/16 1:29pm

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StopIt said:

Other lawyers among us here disagree with your thoughts below.

Just sayin'

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I have never seen an attorney not indent in a filed Court pleading.

The prior document they filed on behalf of Corey spelled "judgment" as "judgement."

Judgment is the proper spelling in legal proceedings.

I know it is such a small detail but it makes me go hmmmmm.

[Edited 10/21/16 8:58am]

You need to learn how to say your thoughts out loud and not think them.

lol

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Reply #417 posted 10/22/16 5:19pm

Pgeishirt	Am I the only one who is rooting for Duane to be recognized as a sibling? I believe it is what John Sr would have wanted and P too.
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Reply #418 posted 10/22/16 5:26pm

Leopard52

Pgeishirt said:

Am I the only one who is rooting for Duane to be recognized as a sibling? I believe it is what John Sr would have wanted and P too.

If that's what Prince would have wanted why was he excluded from John's estate when Prince was the executor? John had two will that were found. One signed and one not. Can't remember how it was but he was listed on one and not the other? Is that right and what one was he listed on?

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