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Reply #30 posted 09/07/16 10:34am

OldFriends4Sal
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EnDoRpHn said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Is EnDoRpHn saying Prince having this is warped?
He did have those stuff

I wouldn't mind having it...

Nothing says Prince ever had that thing, or even that he was aware of it. From the auction description:

"Unique voodoo doll of Prince made for his assistant Karen Krattinger by the Paisley Park Records wardrobe department after she left the organization in early 1989."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think she left PP on the best of terms. There's a friggin' pin holder with the damn thing. That's just sick.

Well Prince did send some stuff like that the MJ in the 80s to mess with him
He had a lot of dolls around the dressing room and even some on stage

Didn't Karen work for Warner Brothers and directly with Prince Sheila E and other artists?

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Reply #31 posted 09/07/16 10:34am

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

mountain out of an ant hill

Should she burn everything, I think she is in her upper 50s? should she wait till she is 80? or have them ready to burn when she sees the grim reaper coming for her? Maybe she should give them away?

You need to look up the definition for opinion.

lol

What do U think she should do with the stuff?

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Reply #32 posted 09/07/16 10:36am

1Sasha

I realize these pieces might be considered "minor" by big collectors, but don't places like the Hard Rock Cafe chain, casinos, etc., buy from people who collected items over the years? The artists don't - at least I don't think they do - give over memorabilia for free. I gave bootlegs (which I had purchased) - not of Prince - to the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame a couple of years ago because I didn't want them to be lost. Should she have donated these items to the Hall? Really, she isn't a spring chicken. Let her make the money now.

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Reply #33 posted 09/07/16 10:49am

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People need to get a grip. She wasn't a fan she was an ex employee so there's no sentimentality there. She may think the stuff would be better off going to a fan who would appreciate it than laying gathering dust. And if she's "cashing in" on his death then so what! Maybe she needs the money for something? Who are we to judge? So, if I sold a rare Prince record on EBay tomorrow, am I cashing in? Should I give the proceeds to charity? Get real.
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Reply #34 posted 09/07/16 10:52am

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petalthecat said:

People need to get a grip. She wasn't a fan she was an ex employee so there's no sentimentality there. She may think the stuff would be better off going to a fan who would appreciate it than laying gathering dust. And if she's "cashing in" on his death then so what! Maybe she needs the money for something? Who are we to judge? So, if I sold a rare Prince record on EBay tomorrow, am I cashing in? Should I give the proceeds to charity? Get real.


Looking at the prices, it isn't like she can fund her retirement off these things. Except for a couple of pieces, it really isn't much.

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Reply #35 posted 09/07/16 11:10am

teach49

I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, why shouldn't she sell them? I suspect Prince knew she had some stuff and that eventually she would want to do something with it. None of it is too revealing so I doubt he was worried.

On the other hand, it feels a bit icky to auction off items taken from a job like this. I could understand if her children sold items after she's gone because there's only so much of that stuff you can hang on to (provided she has kids). Just doesn't have a positive feeling about it now, though. It feels like she didn't leave on the best of terms so that could be playing into the way it feels.

I could even see selling them if she tried to donate them to PP or a local MN museum or library. And, who knows, maybe she tried.

In the end, I've no right to judge.

shrug

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Reply #36 posted 09/07/16 11:22am

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Mindbells9 said:

But did yall see #589-Prince Promotional albums? It has, among other things, "an unreleased copy of Camille" eek

Amazing item. A collectors dream. Of course it'll be overlooked by most people on this thread who would rather be bitching about the ethics of the sale.

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Reply #37 posted 09/07/16 11:23am

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OldFriends4Sale said:



laurarichardson said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



mountain out of an ant hill


Should she burn everything, I think she is in her upper 50s? should she wait till she is 80? or have them ready to burn when she sees the grim reaper coming for her? Maybe she should give them away?







You need to look up the definition for opinion.


lol


What do U think she should do with the stuff?




-/ I never said she should never sell anything. I think the Voodoo doll she kept off this auction it is warped and makes her look like a fruit loop. That being said some of you carrying on like she is about to live in the streets. You know she could donate some to the African America History museum which only had one tambourine for his display.
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Reply #38 posted 09/07/16 11:30am

teach49

TheDigitalGardener said:

Mindbells9 said:

But did yall see #589-Prince Promotional albums? It has, among other things, "an unreleased copy of Camille" eek

Amazing item. A collectors dream. Of course it'll be overlooked by most people on this thread who would rather be bitching about the ethics of the sale.

It's not overlooked...at least not by me.

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Reply #39 posted 09/07/16 11:31am

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Reply #40 posted 09/07/16 11:33am

1Sasha

Laurarichardson, let me tell you about donations. Because the bootlegs I donated to the Hall of Fame were from the 60s and 70s, and featured Dylan, Springsteen and Crosby, Stills & Nash, I thought I could deduct a certain (higher) amount of money from my taxes. Wrong! I ended up basically with what I paid for them, which wasn't a lot. I am a broken record here, but she should get what she can right now. Strike while the iron is hot, so to speak.

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Reply #41 posted 09/07/16 11:47am

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol

What do U think she should do with the stuff?

-/ I never said she should never sell anything. I think the Voodoo doll she kept off this auction it is warped and makes her look like a fruit loop. That being said some of you carrying on like she is about to live in the streets. You know she could donate some to the African America History museum which only had one tambourine for his display.

eh let fans own it, or send it to Paisley Park, that stuff wouldn't be as appreciated anywhere else, and most people wouldn't see it at the AAH Museum

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Reply #42 posted 09/07/16 11:49am

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1Sasha said:

Laurarichardson, let me tell you about donations. Because the bootlegs I donated to the Hall of Fame were from the 60s and 70s, and featured Dylan, Springsteen and Crosby, Stills & Nash, I thought I could deduct a certain (higher) amount of money from my taxes. Wrong! I ended up basically with what I paid for them, which wasn't a lot. I am a broken record here, but she should get what she can right now. Strike while the iron is hot, so to speak.


--- Wow so don't do anything unless you get an immediate finacial benefit. I wonder if Prince was worried about his tax write-offs when he paid for people's funerals and medical bills?
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Reply #43 posted 09/07/16 11:50am

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OldFriends4Sale said:



laurarichardson said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



lol


What do U think she should do with the stuff?





-/ I never said she should never sell anything. I think the Voodoo doll she kept off this auction it is warped and makes her look like a fruit loop. That being said some of you carrying on like she is about to live in the streets. You know she could donate some to the African America History museum which only had one tambourine for his display.


eh let fans own it, or send it to Paisley Park, that stuff wouldn't be as appreciated anywhere else, and most people wouldn't see it at the AAH Museum




-/ The tickets for the opening of the African American Musesum sold out an record time. People will see things in that museum.
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Reply #44 posted 09/07/16 11:52am

1Sasha

Come on, LR, there is nothing wrong with what she is doing. People can have different views on this.

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Reply #45 posted 09/07/16 12:05pm

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1Sasha said:

Come on, LR, there is nothing wrong with what she is doing. People can have different views on this.


// Yes, and I stated mine.
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Reply #46 posted 09/07/16 12:25pm

dodger

It's one thing to share stories and photos but to sell stuff after he's passed, like she is and Susannah is doing, is opportunistic and tacky IMO.
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Maybe they need the money so I shouldn't judge
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Reply #47 posted 09/07/16 12:45pm

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dodger said:

It's one thing to share stories and photos but to sell stuff after he's passed, like she is and Susannah is doing, is opportunistic and tacky IMO. . Maybe they need the money so I shouldn't judge

everything anyone does now is tacky it seems...
What do you think she should do with it?
Someone dying also reminds U that death will pay a visit 2 u as well, and unless U R really old, it could be anytime. What happens when she dies 'next year' and all that stuff is found in her house?

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Reply #48 posted 09/07/16 12:58pm

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teach49 said:



TheDigitalGardener said:




Mindbells9 said:


But did yall see #589-Prince Promotional albums? It has, among other things, "an unreleased copy of Camille" eek



Amazing item. A collectors dream. Of course it'll be overlooked by most people on this thread who would rather be bitching about the ethics of the sale.



It's not overlooked...at least not by me.



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Yeah it made my eyes pop eek
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Reply #49 posted 09/07/16 1:02pm

paulludvig

GhostChick said:



paulludvig said:


1Sasha said:

This is my favorite item from the sale.



It offers an interesting glimpse of the dynamics between Prince and the band.



How so?



It's shows the buisness aspect of having a band at this level. As for the ethics of the sale. I don't see anything wrong with making this available to serious collectors. It's not like Krattinger is making a fortune.
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #50 posted 09/07/16 1:03pm

paulludvig

OldFriends4Sale said:



laurarichardson said:


GhostChick said:




How so?



-- That's what I want to know. I mean how much of this stuff was given to her or stolen? He had class act people working for him since they took the time out to make voodoo doll while still collecting a paycheck. If you got beef with someone be mature and move on with your life.


oh come on...


paul said it offers a glimps in the dynamics of Prince and the band,
how do U read stolen and drama into this?


She was Prince's assistant, she probably had 1000s of notes and stuff from there time


And if you've seen Karens FB she has definately moved on, all over the world, and is enjoying it...





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Reply #51 posted 09/07/16 1:04pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:



dodger said:


It's one thing to share stories and photos but to sell stuff after he's passed, like she is and Susannah is doing, is opportunistic and tacky IMO. . Maybe they need the money so I shouldn't judge


everything anyone does now is tacky it seems...
What do you think she should do with it?
Someone dying also reminds U that death will pay a visit 2 u as well, and unless U R really old, it could be anytime. What happens when she dies 'next year' and all that stuff is found in her house?



My main thought for some of it was why isn't she passing it back to the estate? Y'know where they are opening a museum in about a month?
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Reply #52 posted 09/07/16 1:08pm

teach49

mynameisnotsusan said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

everything anyone does now is tacky it seems...
What do you think she should do with it?
Someone dying also reminds U that death will pay a visit 2 u as well, and unless U R really old, it could be anytime. What happens when she dies 'next year' and all that stuff is found in her house?

My main thought for some of it was why isn't she passing it back to the estate? Y'know where they are opening a museum in about a month?

I wonder what the copyright issues would be for some of this...like the unreleased "Camille"?

Just curious. I really don't know.

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Reply #53 posted 09/07/16 1:13pm

PliablyPurple

It doesn't bother me that someone else is doing so w/ such an item, but damn, if Prince ever sent me a voodoo doll I would hold onto that shit forever. Hang it from the rearview mirror, take him to concerts, movies...anything but sell! Pretty cool item if authentic.

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Reply #54 posted 09/07/16 1:24pm

EnDoRpHn

PliablyPurple said:

It doesn't bother me that someone else is doing so w/ such an item, but damn, if Prince ever sent me a voodoo doll I would hold onto that shit forever. Hang it from the rearview mirror, take him to concerts, movies...anything but sell! Pretty cool item if authentic.

Prince didn't send it to her. The wardrobe staff did.

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Reply #55 posted 09/07/16 1:27pm

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Genesia said:



petalthecat said:


People need to get a grip. She wasn't a fan she was an ex employee so there's no sentimentality there. She may think the stuff would be better off going to a fan who would appreciate it than laying gathering dust. And if she's "cashing in" on his death then so what! Maybe she needs the money for something? Who are we to judge? So, if I sold a rare Prince record on EBay tomorrow, am I cashing in? Should I give the proceeds to charity? Get real.


Looking at the prices, it isn't like she can fund her retirement off these things. Except for a couple of pieces, it really isn't much.



Yeah, it's not like she was trying to sell her diamond engagement ring and wedding china razz
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Reply #56 posted 09/07/16 1:30pm

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

eh let fans own it, or send it to Paisley Park, that stuff wouldn't be as appreciated anywhere else, and most people wouldn't see it at the AAH Museum

-/ The tickets for the opening of the African American Musesum sold out an record time. People will see things in that museum.

I got my timed passes for Sept. 24th! Edited to add: For the record, the proper name is the Smithsonian Institute's National Museum of African American History and Culture, hundreds of thousands will see the musuem displays - including the tambourine from Prince's Nude Tour.

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[Edited 9/7/16 13:34pm]

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For paying dues my friend
And not the type of ganda U prop up in my way
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Reply #57 posted 09/07/16 2:48pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:



dodger said:


It's one thing to share stories and photos but to sell stuff after he's passed, like she is and Susannah is doing, is opportunistic and tacky IMO. . Maybe they need the money so I shouldn't judge


everything anyone does now is tacky it seems...
What do you think she should do with it?
Someone dying also reminds U that death will pay a visit 2 u as well, and unless U R really old, it could be anytime. What happens when she dies 'next year' and all that stuff is found in her house?



Give it to the estate for the museum is one option.
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You don't think it looks a bit opportunistic?
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Reply #58 posted 09/07/16 3:02pm

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On a way side note: I recall hearing Prince do Blue Motel Room @ a show later on. I think he was singing. Can't remember the title of said boot or exact dates, etc. Pvault says something about Wembley Arena n Elisa Dease singing confuse.

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Reply #59 posted 09/07/16 3:06pm

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mynameisnotsusan said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

everything anyone does now is tacky it seems...
What do you think she should do with it?
Someone dying also reminds U that death will pay a visit 2 u as well, and unless U R really old, it could be anytime. What happens when she dies 'next year' and all that stuff is found in her house?

My main thought for some of it was why isn't she passing it back to the estate? Y'know where they are opening a museum in about a month?


Right. Because no museum is complete without Prince's grocery list.

Some of y'all are just ridiculous.

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