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Reply #600 posted 08/24/16 7:25pm

nelcp777

Menes said:

Gracielaine said:

Alex Hahn wrote about it in his book. I posted it earlier last week the quote, but essentially on April 21, 1996 he was missing and found with bottle of "aspirin" unconscious, essentially an OD on what they labeled aspirin. So when they announced last week in several of the publications that the drugs were found in "aspirin" bottles one can deduce that since 1996 medication has been hidden in those same bottles.

I dont know why this is so hard to believe. Even if it isnt true, an example of this is not uncommon. Whitney's image ("wholesome sweet girl") was created by Clive, but a lot of us knew she was already smoking pot and had a nasty mouth. Most who didnt know her, blamed Bobby for all of her troubles . She was a crackhead because she smoked crack. That simple. I dont care if she had a "physcial dependence" or an addiction, that fact is that she refused to believe the science of what was happening. She was in denial.

We cant keep blaming "enablers" ,"handlers" , "drug dealers", etc. just to preserve the image that we have conjured up about Prince. He was a great musician who didnt understand that science would trump any of his beliefs. Even a near death experience was not enough for him to realize that. He was too far gone and more than one person knew that.

That is the reality. I agree with your remarks.

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Reply #601 posted 08/24/16 7:38pm

zenarose

fanoftheman said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: --Is that what Judith Hill meant went she said "he wanted to be all up in her space" Is that why he invited Kandance Springs up to Paisly Park to talk music or take her out on a date. What about Andy Allow? Dressing alike, drawing hearts on each's hands. Come on now.

Kandance Springs said in an interview that he "tried it on" her but she managed to keep things as friends.. but he did try... Andy Allo.. not sure .. Judith Hill a big possiblity..

I think maybe some of these ladies were "assuming". JJ and JH both stated that P told them

(same words from both) " I love you and will always be there for you." AA was a smart lady to keep it on work.

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Reply #602 posted 08/24/16 8:03pm

Tracyh74

Wouldn't the police fingerprint these bottles of counterfeit pills? It would seem like a good place to start as to who they came from.
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Reply #603 posted 08/24/16 8:08pm

nursev

Tracyh74 said:

Wouldn't the police fingerprint these bottles of counterfeit pills? It would seem like a good place to start as to who they came from.

Yep hmmm but six hours was long enough for somebody to wipe em all clean

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Reply #604 posted 08/24/16 8:22pm

fanoftheman

nelcp777 said:

Menes said:

I dont know why this is so hard to believe. Even if it isnt true, an example of this is not uncommon. Whitney's image ("wholesome sweet girl") was created by Clive, but a lot of us knew she was already smoking pot and had a nasty mouth. Most who didnt know her, blamed Bobby for all of her troubles . She was a crackhead because she smoked crack. That simple. I dont care if she had a "physcial dependence" or an addiction, that fact is that she refused to believe the science of what was happening. She was in denial.

We cant keep blaming "enablers" ,"handlers" , "drug dealers", etc. just to preserve the image that we have conjured up about Prince. He was a great musician who didnt understand that science would trump any of his beliefs. Even a near death experience was not enough for him to realize that. He was too far gone and more than one person knew that.

That is the reality. I agree with your remarks.

Ok.. I dont have an issue with the fact that Prince had a dependancy on whatever.. but this nonsense about an OD in 1996.. in the google search option for this site google "prince od 1996, an old thread comes up "Prince and Mayte articles 1996-2000.. the damn story was from the New of the world! that same paper that said his former nannies gave information on Boy gregorys death.... The Star Tribune I would beleive more than this! CJ even follow up with an article saying she checked with the hospital and there are no records... really people... I dont think the APril 21 1996 this is true.. what a load of bull. here is the link to the thread: http://prince.org/msg/5/336650

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[Edited 8/24/16 20:27pm]

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Reply #605 posted 08/24/16 8:30pm

Tracyh74

nursev said:



Tracyh74 said:


Wouldn't the police fingerprint these bottles of counterfeit pills? It would seem like a good place to start as to who they came from.

Yep hmmm but six hours was long enough for somebody to wipe em all clean


True!
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Reply #606 posted 08/24/16 8:42pm

Menes

Gracielaine said:

Menes said:

I dont know why this is so hard to believe. Even if it isnt true, an example of this is not uncommon. Whitney's image ("wholesome sweet girl") was created by Clive, but a lot of us knew she was already smoking pot and had a nasty mouth. Most who didnt know her, blamed Bobby for all of her troubles . She was a crackhead because she smoked crack. That simple. I dont care if she had a "physcial dependence" or an addiction, that fact is that she refused to believe the science of what was happening. She was in denial.

We cant keep blaming "enablers" ,"handlers" , "drug dealers", etc. just to preserve the image that we have conjured up about Prince. He was a great musician who didnt understand that science would trump any of his beliefs. Even a near death experience was not enough for him to realize that. He was too far gone and more than one person knew that.

I couldn't agree more. Enablers around, and when one friend even dreams of speaking the truth as Jill Jones did this week, they put the poor girl on blast. It's crystal clear why no one has said squat about it; the wrath of people who won't believe the possibilities is relentless.

Too many people are caught up in the " Why would Prince do that" world as opposed to"Prince did that" world! For those that remember Eddie"deacon doo-doo" Long.... he denied servicing young choir boys until the very end. 15,000 members in the congregation refused to believe that he was capable of violating choir boys even after he settled. Why was that? Simply put, they had conjured up this image of "the man of God" who they saw on Sundays. Where were they Monday thru Saturday? Did they not see the tight shirts? the text messages? How about the neighbors who said he was making runs to that house more frequently than the mailman could deliver mail! They assumed that because of his fiery hell-fire rhetoric , it was not possible for him to be guilty of the same behavior he so vehemently opposed. He was in denial and convinced them to remain in denial to this very day.

So it is with Prince. We can't bring ourselves to believe that the man, Prince, (who was so anti-drug, religious and a health nut) would allow himself to be caught in the snare of the "Spooky Electric" character that he was so aware of. Each man is deceived by his own thoughts. We should be able to separate certain things. He was one of the greatest musicians of our time, who, bedded some of the most beautiful women and inspired us with great lyrical content that will last forever.

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Reply #607 posted 08/24/16 8:46pm

Dibblekins

nursev said:

Tracyh74 said:

Wouldn't the police fingerprint these bottles of counterfeit pills? It would seem like a good place to start as to who they came from.

Yep hmmm but six hours was long enough for somebody to wipe em all clean

Yes - BUT if they were devoid of ANY prints - including P's - that would be a huge red flag!!!

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Reply #608 posted 08/24/16 8:47pm

Menes

fanoftheman said:

nelcp777 said:

That is the reality. I agree with your remarks.

Ok.. I dont have an issue with the fact that Prince had a dependancy on whatever.. but this nonsense about an OD in 1996.. in the google search option for this site google "prince od 1996, an old thread comes up "Prince and Mayte articles 1996-2000.. the damn story was from the New of the world! that same paper that said his former nannies gave information on Boy gregorys death.... The Star Tribune I would beleive more than this! CJ even follow up with an article saying she checked with the hospital and there are no records... really people... I dont think the APril 21 1996 this is true.. what a load of bull. here is the link to the thread: http://prince.org/msg/5/336650

[Edited 8/24/16 20:24pm]

[Edited 8/24/16 20:27pm]

I never said it is true. I said it's not hard to believe and I cited an example to show that it is not entirely uncommon. The fact remains the same. He wasn't oblivious to his own behavior. We are going to have to come to terms with the fact that he either was not a very smart person, or, he thought he was smarter than the science itself.

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Reply #609 posted 08/24/16 8:53pm

roxy831

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Menes said:

fanoftheman said:

Ok.. I dont have an issue with the fact that Prince had a dependancy on whatever.. but this nonsense about an OD in 1996.. in the google search option for this site google "prince od 1996, an old thread comes up "Prince and Mayte articles 1996-2000.. the damn story was from the New of the world! that same paper that said his former nannies gave information on Boy gregorys death.... The Star Tribune I would beleive more than this! CJ even follow up with an article saying she checked with the hospital and there are no records... really people... I dont think the APril 21 1996 this is true.. what a load of bull. here is the link to the thread: http://prince.org/msg/5/336650

[Edited 8/24/16 20:24pm]

[Edited 8/24/16 20:27pm]

I never said it is true. I said it's not hard to believe and I cited an example to show that it is not entirely uncommon. The fact remains the same. He wasn't oblivious to his own behavior. We are going to have to come to terms with the fact that he either was not a very smart person, or, he thought he was smarter than the science itself.

Smh...is there ANYONE willing to say what the hell was wrong with the month of "APRIL" in ANY year of P's life! He wrote a song about it yaw'll!! What the hell happened??? Okay, I'm done with my rant on this thread for now....lol

Welcome home class. We've come a long way. - RIP Prince
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Reply #610 posted 08/24/16 8:54pm

fanoftheman

Menes said:

Gracielaine said:

I couldn't agree more. Enablers around, and when one friend even dreams of speaking the truth as Jill Jones did this week, they put the poor girl on blast. It's crystal clear why no one has said squat about it; the wrath of people who won't believe the possibilities is relentless.

Too many people are caught up in the " Why would Prince do that" world as opposed to"Prince did that" world! For those that remember Eddie"deacon doo-doo" Long.... he denied servicing young choir boys until the very end. 15,000 members in the congregation refused to believe that he was capable of violating choir boys even after he settled. Why was that? Simply put, they had conjured up this image of "the man of God" who they saw on Sundays. Where were they Monday thru Saturday? Did they not see the tight shirts? the text messages? How about the neighbors who said he was making runs to that house more frequently than the mailman could deliver mail! They assumed that because of his fiery hell-fire rhetoric , it was not possible for him to be guilty of the same behavior he so vehemently opposed. He was in denial and convinced them to remain in denial to this very day.

So it is with Prince. We can't bring ourselves to believe that the man, Prince, (who was so anti-drug, religious and a health nut) would allow himself to be caught in the snare of the "Spooky Electric" character that he was so aware of. Each man is deceived by his own thoughts. We should be able to separate certain things. He was one of the greatest musicians of our time, who, bedded some of the most beautiful women and inspired us with great lyrical content that will last forever.

I think there is no question that Prince who was a "health nut" had a dependency on opiates.. and most likely the last few years.. but there is just so much we dont know. and I cant work out why the family would just leave this all open to speculation... becuse we just dont know all the facts.. unless the family is waiting for the estate to be finalized and the investigation to be finished before making a statement ... why would they just leave it for people to make up crap.. just tell us the facts.. me do not even know for certain that he did OD on the place no official statment has been made... nothing, its just all guess work.. hes not perfect, he is human.. just be done with it good or bad I think...

[Edited 8/24/16 20:57pm]

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Reply #611 posted 08/24/16 9:13pm

SpinsterSister

Tracyh74 said:

Wouldn't the police fingerprint these bottles of counterfeit pills? It would seem like a good place to start as to who they came from.

I believe those pills have been broken down with their unique mixture and that "print" will be saved in case they find others matching that unique mix. I am sure they will find it, eventually - but where? Other than in PP, maybe in some other person's stash at PP or their homes, cars, etc. Once they pull that loose string, they'll have a better idea who picked up or manufactured what, if they haven't already started raiding. What I find amazing is once they had the idea that he OD'd, why didn't they test for U-47700? It is still legal to purchase, I am sure the feds KNOW that other opiates are being cut with it and with such a high profile celebrity, it would've make sense to test for it. It isn't over, not by a long shot.

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Reply #612 posted 08/24/16 9:17pm

Menes

fanoftheman said:

Menes said:

Too many people are caught up in the " Why would Prince do that" world as opposed to"Prince did that" world! For those that remember Eddie"deacon doo-doo" Long.... he denied servicing young choir boys until the very end. 15,000 members in the congregation refused to believe that he was capable of violating choir boys even after he settled. Why was that? Simply put, they had conjured up this image of "the man of God" who they saw on Sundays. Where were they Monday thru Saturday? Did they not see the tight shirts? the text messages? How about the neighbors who said he was making runs to that house more frequently than the mailman could deliver mail! They assumed that because of his fiery hell-fire rhetoric , it was not possible for him to be guilty of the same behavior he so vehemently opposed. He was in denial and convinced them to remain in denial to this very day.

So it is with Prince. We can't bring ourselves to believe that the man, Prince, (who was so anti-drug, religious and a health nut) would allow himself to be caught in the snare of the "Spooky Electric" character that he was so aware of. Each man is deceived by his own thoughts. We should be able to separate certain things. He was one of the greatest musicians of our time, who, bedded some of the most beautiful women and inspired us with great lyrical content that will last forever.

I think there is no question that Prince who was a "health nut" had a dependency on opiates.. and most likely the last few years.. but there is just so much we dont know. and I cant work out why the family would just leave this all open to speculation... becuse we just dont know all the facts.. unless the family is waiting for the estate to be finalized and the investigation to be finished before making a statement ... why would they just leave it for people to make up crap.. just tell us the facts.. me do not even know for certain that he did OD on the place no official statment has been made... nothing, its just all guess work.. hes not perfect, he is human.. just be done with it good or bad I think...

[Edited 8/24/16 20:57pm]

I can agree that there is so much we dont know. Does that mean we cant conclude that Prince himself knew what he was doing? I think thats the center of it all. He had to know. Unless there was some genetic mutation that occured recently that would impede his thought process, he knew. I dont think it matters how he got it or who gave it to him.Those are legal questions that has nothing to do with his own thoughts and actions.

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Reply #613 posted 08/24/16 10:15pm

Misty48

fanoftheman said:

Gracielaine said:

When he went missing when married to Mayte and was found with wine and an "aspirin" bottle doesn't that indicate that since these drugs were also found in a "aspirin" bottle that this was a long term problem, dating to at minimum 1996. I loved the man, no judgment, but I don't get the reluctance to accept the facts.

AND WHERE IS THIS IFORMATION FROM?? I've found no news articles saying this happened only mention is some book..

You can read it on the Internet - Here is the link - - http://www.dailymail.co.u...d-him.html

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Reply #614 posted 08/24/16 10:28pm

prettyinpink6u

Superconductor said:

They found alpralozam aka xanax and not anti seizure meds. you guys just make up that he had epilepsy. That was a story he told about his childhood, who knows if it was true or just a myth he created. Xanax is used for anxiety attacks primarily.

Actually there were multiple articles published and every article had different information than the first, with information being misstated and quoted from the orginal source. The Minneapolis AP article stated that the the autoposy report also showed Prince had diazepam, lidocaine and hyrocodone acids i his body per the official source person. The Minneapolis AP continues the paragraph saying Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium and that its a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child and that lidocaine is a local anesthetic. The article also says that some of the pills were not controlled substances. I'm sure he had major pain from hip, back and legs and was probably using lidocaine to numb pain area through patches, creams and injections and the hydrocodone to kill pain and the Diazepam could have been to make him sleep because pain can keep you up or/and taking the Diazepam for seizures as well.

I was injured in a car accicent years ago by a drunk driver and had to have knee surgery a few months after the accident after the steroid treatments because the steroid treatments didn't help, plus my back and hip was damaged in the accident as well. It wasn't that bad when it happened because I was 26 at the time of the accident and the surgery but after a couple of epidurals from c-sections and the damage to my knee and back, sometimes I can barely get out of bed but I do not and have not taken any pain meds other than arthirtis strength tylenol ever. But I have used the lidocaine to numb my hips at night because I sleep on the same side the accident damaged and sometimes my hip and leg will hurt all night and I end up sleeping maybe 4 hours during the course of a night and as I get older it gets worse. I am a person that can endure pain but a lot of people can't and when they have surgical procedures for these type of conditions they cant get off the medication because they take to long after the surgery and they get comfortable not having to have pain by taking the meds and therefore become addicted or the pain comes back some years later after the surgery and its even worse than before you had the surgery which was my case because now age is playing a factor in it aa well so when your a performer and you sing and dance this is your lifer and you don't want to stop so you medicate to be able to continue performing. I so beleive this is why he started doing microphone and piano tours because he couldnt handle being up on his feet and carrying the weight of the guitar espcially with his small frame and you having major hip and leg pain. Remember he had scaring on his hip and leg.

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Reply #615 posted 08/25/16 1:24am

LuxLove

Think Dr. Funk podcast is worth a listen:

http://www.stitcher.com/p...nk-podcast

(For those who are not keen I summed up a little bit on page 19 of this thread)

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Reply #616 posted 08/25/16 1:49am

GhostChick

Does anybody have a link to what Jill Jones has said recently? Or somewhere on the org.

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Reply #617 posted 08/25/16 2:33am

PeteSilas

i just saw an interesting article by a doc who claimed that it was the "benzos" that we really need to worry about more than the opiates, he stated that MJ also had the benzos in his system.

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Reply #618 posted 08/25/16 2:50am

GhostChick

cloveringold85 said:

wisdom7 said:

He loved music, his art. That's why he did the shows. Read articles about the beginning of his career. One of his managers, I can't recall the name, said Prince was so shy that the lights had to be turned out if anyone walked in while he was recording so they couldn't look at him. Also, he said that Prince sang so quietly that he could barely be heard. And then look at the American Bandstand interview (should still be on YouTube) that he did in 1979...he could barely talk when Dick Clark asked him questions...I could feel his pain. (I read too that Dez Dickerson said that was because Prince planned it that way...not to talk to Dick Clark,but I don't think so.) Prince was highly intelligent. He knew he had the phobia and wanted to be the best at his career and knew that if he was going to do that he'd have to deal with the phobia. His friend Pepe Willie asked him "what happened?" regarding the Dick Clark interview and Prince said he froze and said it would never happen again. I wonder if this is when he knew he'd have to get some "help" because he'd need to know how to deal with interviews.

I don't believe Prince had a phobia. I've seen his interview with Dick Clark on AB, and I think Prince was just playing with him. Prince was known to be that way -- mess with people's minds and keep them guessing. I've heard and seen Prince in interviews before then and he seemed totally fine and calm and answered questions. He was very bright at a young age.


Yes this is true. Plus, growing up in my experience, it seems that Prince was different in the way he talked to Mainstream Media.

I have heard for about 20 years now that Prince wanted to mess with Dick Clark when he went out there BUT instead he froze up. So that's why he started acting the way he did.

In other words, Prince intended to go out and joke around but he just froze up instead.

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Reply #619 posted 08/25/16 2:54am

LyraB

PeteSilas said:

i just saw an interesting article by a doc who claimed that it was the "benzos" that we really need to worry about more than the opiates, he stated that MJ also had the benzos in his system.

It isn't usually benzos on their own that are the key risk or more risky than opiates (unless you take a whole botle full at once) it is the combination of opiates and benzos which is particulalry dangerous since each drug alone has the capacity to cause respiratory depression as a side effect.

When you combine opiates and benzos that respiratory depression can be hugely increased to the point where a person simply stops breathing altogether.

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Reply #620 posted 08/25/16 2:59am

GhostChick

Menes said:

Gracielaine said:

I couldn't agree more. Enablers around, and when one friend even dreams of speaking the truth as Jill Jones did this week, they put the poor girl on blast. It's crystal clear why no one has said squat about it; the wrath of people who won't believe the possibilities is relentless.

Too many people are caught up in the " Why would Prince do that" world as opposed to"Prince did that" world! For those that remember Eddie"deacon doo-doo" Long.... he denied servicing young choir boys until the very end. 15,000 members in the congregation refused to believe that he was capable of violating choir boys even after he settled. Why was that? Simply put, they had conjured up this image of "the man of God" who they saw on Sundays. Where were they Monday thru Saturday? Did they not see the tight shirts? the text messages? How about the neighbors who said he was making runs to that house more frequently than the mailman could deliver mail! They assumed that because of his fiery hell-fire rhetoric , it was not possible for him to be guilty of the same behavior he so vehemently opposed. He was in denial and convinced them to remain in denial to this very day.

So it is with Prince. We can't bring ourselves to believe that the man, Prince, (who was so anti-drug, religious and a health nut) would allow himself to be caught in the snare of the "Spooky Electric" character that he was so aware of. Each man is deceived by his own thoughts. We should be able to separate certain things. He was one of the greatest musicians of our time, who, bedded some of the most beautiful women and inspired us with great lyrical content that will last forever.

THIS

Even Jimmy Jam said, right after Prince died that although he couldn't say this was the issue with Prince BUT that people do get addicted to prescription pain meds a lot more than people know.

So was Prince an addict? No, I don't believe that at all. But could he had developed an addiction to prescription pain meds in the last 4 or 5 years of his life and HID IT? Yes, quite possibly. And maybe it wasn't even for that long. Maybe it could had been the last 2 years of his life.

You can hide things from your friends, associates, family members. It can be done. That doesn't make him less of the amazing Musician he was though.

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Reply #621 posted 08/25/16 3:35am

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laura richardson is going to be so angry with all of you!!! mad mad

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Reply #622 posted 08/25/16 3:37am

oscarchristio7
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XxAxX said:

even if prince was using opiods and stashing them in odd places, i still love the dude.

[Edited 8/24/16 16:49pm]

I find it sooo weird that people even assume or imply that to a real Prince fan that Prince could be any less lovable if he was doing drugs.

Like that would have to be a pretty chitty fan if anyone was gonna be like that.

IMO we are all human, everyones struggling with something one time or another.

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Reply #623 posted 08/25/16 3:58am

oscarchristio7
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fanoftheman said:

Menes said:

Too many people are caught up in the " Why would Prince do that" world as opposed to"Prince did that" world! For those that remember Eddie"deacon doo-doo" Long.... he denied servicing young choir boys until the very end. 15,000 members in the congregation refused to believe that he was capable of violating choir boys even after he settled. Why was that? Simply put, they had conjured up this image of "the man of God" who they saw on Sundays. Where were they Monday thru Saturday? Did they not see the tight shirts? the text messages? How about the neighbors who said he was making runs to that house more frequently than the mailman could deliver mail! They assumed that because of his fiery hell-fire rhetoric , it was not possible for him to be guilty of the same behavior he so vehemently opposed. He was in denial and convinced them to remain in denial to this very day.

So it is with Prince. We can't bring ourselves to believe that the man, Prince, (who was so anti-drug, religious and a health nut) would allow himself to be caught in the snare of the "Spooky Electric" character that he was so aware of. Each man is deceived by his own thoughts. We should be able to separate certain things. He was one of the greatest musicians of our time, who, bedded some of the most beautiful women and inspired us with great lyrical content that will last forever.

I think there is no question that Prince who was a "health nut" had a dependency on opiates.. and most likely the last few years.. but there is just so much we dont know. and I cant work out why the family would just leave this all open to speculation... becuse we just dont know all the facts.. unless the family is waiting for the estate to be finalized and the investigation to be finished before making a statement ... why would they just leave it for people to make up crap.. just tell us the facts.. me do not even know for certain that he did OD on the place no official statment has been made... nothing, its just all guess work.. hes not perfect, he is human.. just be done with it good or bad I think...

[Edited 8/24/16 20:57pm]

I agree.

The Privacy things is one thing and totally understandable.

But I agree one of the reasons we have so much speculation in the media and forums like this one is cause we really havnt had much detailed information about the situation. We dont have enough information to explain and understand, come to terms with how this could happen.

We only hear 4 months after about fenatyl pills in bottle labelled hrdycodone, about clothes on backwards.

Conspiracy theories are growing.

Sooner or later somethings gonna come out.

Its not tainting anyones name if the case was they had a major addiction or were sick or whatever.

Once things get clearer , conspiracy theories and speculation will decrease, but right now no ones talking and someone must know something.

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Reply #624 posted 08/25/16 4:06am

LyraB

fanoftheman said:

I think there is no question that Prince who was a "health nut" had a dependency on opiates.. and most likely the last few years.. but there is just so much we dont know. and I cant work out why the family would just leave this all open to speculation... becuse we just dont know all the facts.. unless the family is waiting for the estate to be finalized and the investigation to be finished before making a statement ... why would they just leave it for people to make up crap.. just tell us the facts.. me do not even know for certain that he did OD on the place no official statment has been made... nothing, its just all guess work.. hes not perfect, he is human.. just be done with it good or bad I think...

[Edited 8/24/16 20:57pm]

I would think everyone involved has been asked not to make any comments or statements whilst the criminal investigation is ongoing.

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Reply #625 posted 08/25/16 4:30am

muleFunk

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Gracielaine said:

muleFunk said:

Alex Hahn ?

I would trust the Devil more than this non researching bastard.

Okay, well somehow 20 years ago he knew what was in that aspirin bottle, that CANNOT be disputed.

The information that you are giving here came from two "nannies" that were fired by Prince and Mayte. These same two nannies were sued by Prince and Mayte and discredited in a court of law.

But it's in Hahn's book so it's true.

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Reply #626 posted 08/25/16 6:32am

tmo1965

fanoftheman said:

nelcp777 said:

That is the reality. I agree with your remarks.

Ok.. I dont have an issue with the fact that Prince had a dependancy on whatever.. but this nonsense about an OD in 1996.. in the google search option for this site google "prince od 1996, an old thread comes up "Prince and Mayte articles 1996-2000.. the damn story was from the New of the world! that same paper that said his former nannies gave information on Boy gregorys death.... The Star Tribune I would beleive more than this! CJ even follow up with an article saying she checked with the hospital and there are no records... really people... I dont think the APril 21 1996 this is true.. what a load of bull. here is the link to the thread: http://prince.org/msg/5/336650

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If you go the hospital where Mayte had her baby and looked up the old records, would you find her name? No, because she signed in under an assummed name. Don't you think that Prince would do the same thing?

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Reply #627 posted 08/25/16 7:09am

1Sasha

Does anyone notice that the news about PP has deflected the conversation from the overdose/dependency/addiction chat to tours and tributes and road trips to Minnesota? Yes, the Estate needs cash and a lot of it, but how convenient to move beyond the April tragedy to sunshine and lollipops. There are two sides in the drug issue here: those who believe Prince had a serious problem and those who don't. The rumored fact that he had a problem in the 90s, then MT's statement about his becoming like Charlie Sheen, then the airplane incident followed by his demise ... Maybe I am too willing to connect the dots but I am not going to pat on the back paramours, hangers-on and others (with the exception of Jill, who I think has been very truthful) for their contrite statements of loss and absolute shock at his drug use.

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Reply #628 posted 08/25/16 7:20am

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Mr. Prince was simply not open with us about his issues.

Mr Prince simply did not allow others in his `safe space`.

This caused his demise.

Bootleg medicine was a wrong choice.

As was the trend towards cheapness. In his tours as well as his pesonal life.

That was the root cause.

I wittnessed it in 2010 and 2011 and now I can draw the line towards 2016.

The true story about the reasons for illicit drugs will be key to expose the core of his life.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #629 posted 08/25/16 7:24am

terrig

Folks its entirely possible for Prince to be using pain medication on the regular, and be a health nut, and be religious.

From my vantage point of being close to health nuts and entertainment - you would all be very surprised at how 'health nuts' quite easily cross over to disordered ....and still function for long periods of time - until one day - they simply can't.

The extremes in yoga fitness sports celebrity - that are required to maintain a certain position ARE NOT HEALTHY. It was good when Prince disappeared for awhile - it meant he could reasonably rest.

Social media has made 24/7 endless perfection even more pernicious and in my view dangerous. I struggle with it myself. Prince was trying to acclimate to the new atmosphere AND work the way he used to.

I feel that pressure as a 53 year old without one iota of the fame and expectations Prince had.

He was using the meds so he could continue in the manner he was used to, and it got away from him sad

it can happen to anyone.

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