udo said:

terrig said:

nursev said:

I cant even watch this for one thing shes distracting to watch cuz she keeps fucking with her hair and the camera Cant even do it

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How short is your attention span?

Can you you cope with life?

I guess you m ust be a millennial.

That is not lol but a sad fact.

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I guess we need to analyze her speech and see what the arguments are and how much truth they hold.

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

Mr. Prince was simply not open with us about his issues.

Mr Prince simply did not allow others in his `safe space`.

This caused his demise.

Bootleg medicine was a wrong choice.

As was the trend towards cheapness. In his tours as well as his pesonal life.

That was the root cause.

I wittnessed it in 2010 and 2011 and now I can draw the line towards 2016.

The true story about the reasons for illicit drugs will be key to expose the core of his life.

-/ He died because he mistakenly took poison. I think he brought the illegal pain pills because he could not get an Rx for the Hyox. He either got cut off by a doctor or just liked these pills.

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So he was addicted.

He could not make a sane consideration.

He had no real help. Just yes-men.

And that was his demise.

Kirk is culpable but probably won't be in jail for this.

teach49 said:

NinaB said:

terrig said:

Folks its entirely possible for Prince to be using pain medication on the regular, and be a health nut, and be religious.

From my vantage point of being close to health nuts and entertainment - you would all be very surprised at how 'health nuts' quite easily cross over to disordered ....and still function for long periods of time - until one day - they simply can't.

The extremes in yoga fitness sports celebrity - that are required to maintain a certain position ARE NOT HEALTHY. It was good when Prince disappeared for awhile - it meant he could reasonably rest.

Social media has made 24/7 endless perfection even more pernicious and in my view dangerous. I struggle with it myself. Prince was trying to acclimate to the new atmosphere AND work the way he used to.

I feel that pressure as a 53 year old without one iota of the fame and expectations Prince had.

He was using the meds so he could continue in the manner he was used to, and it got away from him

it can happen to anyone.

Excellent points.

I agree. Well said.

udo said:

laurarichardson said:

udo said: -/ He died because he mistakenly took poison. I think he brought the illegal pain pills because he could not get an Rx for the Hyox. He either got cut off by a doctor or just liked these pills.

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So he was addicted.

He could not make a sane consideration.

He had no real help. Just yes-men.

And that was his demise.

Kirk is culpable but probably won't be in jail for this.

What is Kirk's culpability? Did he enable the behavior or supplied the illicit substances? Which are you saying?

1Sasha said:

Menes said:

udo said:

Kirk is culpable but probably won't be in jail for this.

What is Kirk's culpability? Did he enable the behavior or supplied the illicit substances? Which are you saying?

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For someone being so close with mr Prince for so long he must have known about his habits w.r.t. medication and thus must have known about his needs in the last few weeks of his life.

Thus there is at least an ethical case to be made in such a situation that he should have done more.

I.e.: should not have left mr Prince alone having the knowledge he has.

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More far-fetched is that mr Kirk, as one of the close friends of mr Prince, could have been the supplier of the pills.

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Legal proof might be hard in these situations, but I do not pretend to know American justice.

oscarchristio777 said:

XxAxX said:

even if prince was using opiods and stashing them in odd places, i still love the dude.

[Edited 8/24/16 16:49pm]

I find it sooo weird that people even assume or imply that to a real Prince fan that Prince could be any less lovable if he was doing drugs.

Like that would have to be a pretty chitty fan if anyone was gonna be like that.

IMO we are all human, everyones struggling with something one time or another.

? not sure what you inferred? but i didn't mean to imply that prince was unlovable, or that he had lost any standing in my eyes whatsoever.

i was addressing the people on this thread who are completely refusing to accept, or even consider the possibility, that prince was, and had apparently been, using black-market opioids for a while.

he was a human being who suffered the same shite we all suffer on this mortal coil.

i think the weird disconnect among fans who are arguing over this arises from the fact that prince went out of his way to promote himself as a religious, clean-living guy.

imo none of us have any right to judge him, and we are not licensed to look any deeper into his private life than respect would allow

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

1Sasha said:

I agree. Well said.

Still think what has been reported to be true..... Prince thought he was taking hydrocodone and someone switched it to be the look a like but it was fentanyl. Who ever provided the fentanyl should be charged with his death. Prince was not on fentanyl prior to his death.

The question then would be, why would someone want to switch his pills? Who in that house would want to off their boss? He was good to them. The benefit is nothing.

Versions of fentanyl are now showing up see here:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/24/health/elephant-tranquilizer-carfentanil-heroin/index.html?sr=fbCNN082516elephant-tranquilizer-carfentanil-heroin0116AMStoryGalLink&linkId=28025812

Menes said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

1Sasha said: Still think what has been reported to be true..... Prince thought he was taking hydrocodone and someone switched it to be the look a like but it was fentanyl. Who ever provided the fentanyl should be charged with his death. Prince was not on fentanyl prior to his death.

The question then would be, why would someone want to switch his pills? Who in that house would want to off their boss? He was good to them. The benefit is nothing.

I think it's more probable that he just threw them all in together himself...'Real' hydrocodone, and 'fake' hydrocodone, as evidenced by the fact that there were loose ones rolling around in his bag, as well as a few bottles full. The scary thing - if this supposition is true - is that he was basically playing Russian Roulette every time he took one...

XxAxX said:

i was addressing the people on this thread who are completely refusing to accept, or even consider the possibility, that prince was, and had apparently been, using black-market opioids for a while.

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Of course we can accept an american using black market medicins.

But of course we cannot accept not understand why a wealthy man should use bootleg medications for a prolonged time and ultimately die from them in a so-claled first world nation.

Elsewhere on this globe, black market medicins are either used out of necessity due to the low standard of living or not used at all due to the proper avilability of normal medications with still affordbale pricing (al be it barely).

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he was a human being who suffered the same shite we all suffer on this mortal coil.

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Which means?

Due to his situation he could not make a sane decsion anymore.

See what I wrote.

Why would a wealthy man resort to bootleg medications?

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i think the weird disconnect among fans who are arguing over this arises from the fact that prince went out of his way to promote himself as a religious, clean-living guy.

imo none of us have any right to judge him, and we are not licensed to look any deeper into his private life than respect would allow

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Bullshit.

If Prince was using bootleg medication then any 'normal' American is using bootleg medications.

Then that is the reason for the loads of spam in my mailboxes for such medications. So the indications match the behaviour.

But using bootleg medication in the USA is weird:

First the copyright cartels also work in big pharma and these are based from the USA

Second they say they have proper healthcare, foodstamps to prevent riots, and low unemployment (yet high numbers of 29-hour workweeks) so why do people resort to bootleg pills?

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There is no excuse for his behaviour, no understanding, and no expectation of privacy, espcially in this case as he supported companies with no regard for intellectual property to fix his relatively simple issues. (as far as we know)

We need to know how he came to this behavuour becuase if he was forced to do so by whatever, then how should a normal person cope?

BobGeorge909 said:

tmo1965 said:

He did not have a scripts for pain pills in the past 12 months. He had scripts for other meds, which is probably what he was at Walgreens for.

OK...I'm not gonna get in an argument about something neither of us knows. I started of with a mere "I think". Many here seem to know a lot of unknowables. How anyone found out he hasn't filled opiate scripts in the last 12 months is beyond me...and hey, more power to em if they're able to find that out...hippa be damned.

This is a link to a UK paper called The Guardian - not a cheap rag https://www.theguardian.c...g-overdose

This is a quote from that article and I have read it in other reputable news sources as well:

About a dozen tablets were found in a dressing room at Paisley Park, but the vast majority was in bottles of Vitamin C and aspirin that had been tucked inside a suitcase and bags, including onePrince often carried with him.

Autopsy results released in June show Prince died 21 April of an accidental fentanyl overdose. The official said records show the 57-year-old Prince had no prescription for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the 12 months before he died. Authorities are still investigating how Prince obtained the drugs.

I am sure this information has been posted several times already - by all means choose to dismiss it but it is getting tiresome when some act as if it does not actually exist at all.

Admittedly, this is the word of an un-named official, but it is pefectly plausible for them to know whether or not Prince had any prescriptions for opoid drugs because they claim to be part of the investigation team. Any police force or DEA worth its salt would have made that information a key objective when they started this investigation. The first question they would have wanted answered when they found out that fentanyl OD was the cause of death, was "Where did the fentanyl come from?" Was there a medical reason for him to be taking it? If not, had some unscrupulous medic been providing Prince with fentanyl? So they would check medical records in detail.

I certainly have not read any statement to refute this information anywhere.

This is the same story from the Associated Press website: http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...d-fentanyl

AP originally broke this story - I thought they had a good reputation. Is that not the case?

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Some of the pills taken from Prince's estate in Paisley Park after his death were counterfeit drugs that actually contained fentanyl — a synthetic opioid 50 times more powerful than heroin, an official close to the investigation said Sunday.

The official, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation, said nearly two dozen pills found in one Aleve bottle were falsely labeled as "Watson 385." According to Drugs.com, that stamp is used to identify pills containing a mix of acetaminophen and hydrocodone, but the official said at least one of the pills tested positive for fentanyl.

Autopsy results released in June show Prince died April 21 of an accidental fentanyl overdose. The official who spoke to the AP said records show the 57-year-old Prince had no prescription for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the 12 months before he died.

[Edited 8/25/16 10:55am]

udo said:

nursev said:

I cant even watch this for one thing shes distracting to watch cuz she keeps fucking with her hair and the camera Cant even do it

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How short is your attention span?

Can you you cope with life?

I guess you m ust be a millennial.

That is not lol but a sad fact.

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I guess we need to analyze her speech and see what the arguments are and how much truth they hold.

this is so ignorant all I can do is laugh...some of you people just post bullshit to get a response from people...sad.

udo said:

XxAxX said:

i was addressing the people on this thread who are completely refusing to accept, or even consider the possibility, that prince was, and had apparently been, using black-market opioids for a while.

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Of course we can accept an american using black market medicins.

But of course we cannot accept not understand why a wealthy man should use bootleg medications for a prolonged time and ultimately die from them in a so-claled first world nation.

Elsewhere on this globe, black market medicins are either used out of necessity due to the low standard of living or not used at all due to the proper avilability of normal medications with still affordbale pricing (al be it barely).

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Which means?

Due to his situation he could not make a sane decsion anymore.

See what I wrote.

Why would a wealthy man resort to bootleg medications?

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i think the weird disconnect among fans who are arguing over this arises from the fact that prince went out of his way to promote himself as a religious, clean-living guy.

imo none of us have any right to judge him, and we are not licensed to look any deeper into his private life than respect would allow

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Bullshit.

If Prince was using bootleg medication then any 'normal' American is using bootleg medications.

Then that is the reason for the loads of spam in my mailboxes for such medications. So the indications match the behaviour.

But using bootleg medication in the USA is weird:

First the copyright cartels also work in big pharma and these are based from the USA

Second they say they have proper healthcare, foodstamps to prevent riots, and low unemployment (yet high numbers of 29-hour workweeks) so why do people resort to bootleg pills?

.

There is no excuse for his behaviour, no understanding, and no expectation of privacy, espcially in this case as he supported companies with no regard for intellectual property to fix his relatively simple issues. (as far as we know)

We need to know how he came to this behavuour becuase if he was forced to do so by whatever, then how should a normal person cope?

that's quite the riff off what i posted!! thanks for sharing your point of view

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

1Sasha said:

I agree. Well said.

Still think what has been reported to be true..... Prince thought he was taking hydrocodone and someone switched it to be the look a like but it was fentanyl. Who ever provided the fentanyl should be charged with his death. Prince was not on fentanyl prior to his death.

The question then would be, why would someone want to switch his pills? Who in that house would want to off their boss? He was good to them. The benefit is nothing.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Menes said:

Still think what has been reported to be true..... Prince thought he was taking hydrocodone and someone switched it to be the look a like but it was fentanyl. Who ever provided the fentanyl should be charged with his death. Prince was not on fentanyl prior to his death.

The question then would be, why would someone want to switch his pills? Who in that house would want to off their boss? He was good to them. The benefit is nothing.

[ Not sure who specifically that person is.I wish it were all caught on tape.... It does not seem like Prince knew the pills were not the hydro... [Edited 8/25/16 9:59am]

Just to be clear: I wasn't agreeing that someone deliberately switched pills on Prince. My agreement is that he knew what he was doing - I don't know if he knew Fentanyl was in the mix of drugs he was taking - but that we should have compassion for anyone in that position, who feels s/he has to take such drugs to maintain a persona, a career, a life.

XxAxX said:

udo said:

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Bullshit.

If Prince was using bootleg medication then any 'normal' American is using bootleg medications.

Then that is the reason for the loads of spam in my mailboxes for such medications. So the indications match the behaviour.

But using bootleg medication in the USA is weird:

First the copyright cartels also work in big pharma and these are based from the USA

Second they say they have proper healthcare, foodstamps to prevent riots, and low unemployment (yet high numbers of 29-hour workweeks) so why do people resort to bootleg pills?

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There is no excuse for his behaviour, no understanding, and no expectation of privacy, espcially in this case as he supported companies with no regard for intellectual property to fix his relatively simple issues. (as far as we know)

We need to know how he came to this behavuour becuase if he was forced to do so by whatever, then how should a normal person cope?

that's quite the riff off what i posted!! thanks for sharing your point of view

Sounds like that poster took some of those bootleg medications

nursev said:

NinaB said:

nursev said:

Sounds like that poster took some of those bootleg medications

Or is in need of some kinda medication

Haldol, Ativan and Benadryl crazy ass

udo said:

1Sasha said:

1Sasha said:

NinaB said:

nursev said:

Sounds like that poster took some of those bootleg medications

Or is in need of some kinda medication

it's fine. there's room for everyone's point of view here. we're all mourning prince in our own ways and trying to get answers. one thing i'm thinking is prince always left us guessing. he'll be even more of a mystery now in death than he was during his lifetime. we'll be discussing this stuff for years to come...

[Edited 8/25/16 10:18am]

XxAxX said:

nursev said:

nursev said:

Why does anyone have to have 'switched' tablets?

There are well documented problems with cartels buying cheap synthetic fentanyl from China and using it to adulterate counterfeit drugs. I only know this because anothr FM told me about it on this very thread.

The hydrocodone/acetaminophen tablets could have been obtained in good faith with no-one having any idea they contained fentanyl - why would they? The whole point is that the fentanyl is used as an adulterant - that means added to the product without any of the customers knowing it is there. The aim is to bulk out the product and boost profits (fentanyl beeing cheaper than the acutal drugs which are being counterfeited).

This is the kind of nightmare scenario which is almost bound to happen when the pharmaceutically illiterate start cooking up shit without any real appreciation of the therapeutic effects of the stuff they are dealing with. I can't imagine that even the cartels want to actually kill their customers - hardly a stellar business plan.

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This is an article from the CDC about a spate of overdoses due to patients taking counterfeit Narco (acetaminophen plus hydrocodone) and Xanax.

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http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm6516e1.htm

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Here are some pertinent extracts from the article.

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On March 28, 2016, two patients were evaluated at the Contra Costa Regional Medical Center emergency department (ED) in Contra Costa County, California, for nausea, vomiting, central nervous system depression, and respiratory depression, 30 minutes after ingesting what appeared to be Norco, a prescription opioid pain medication that contains acetaminophen and hydrocodone. The patients purchased the drug from a friend a few days earlier.

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Three days earlier, the Sacramento County Division of Public Health had released a Drug Overdose Health Alert regarding multiple poisoning overdoses related to ingestion of fentanyl-contaminated counterfeit Norco in Sacramento County (1).

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In California, during October–December 2015, seven persons, including two who died, were found to have been exposed to fentanyl-adulterated counterfeit Xanax (9).

[Edited 8/25/16 10:50am]