PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

lwr001 said:

OK

Right, if he wasn't able to eat or drink normally (per the chef), it doesn't take long for a person who is already small and thin to start looking frail.

Yeah, but its not just the weight loss, he was that thin at least twice before, at the end of the slave period, and in Montreux in 2009, but he didn't look frail either time. It's the weight loss and also something else, which is more indefinable....but it's defintely there....

SquirrelMeat said:

Wow, you log off a couple of days and come back to 62 pages of underline disrespect based on bit part information; predominantly from a majority who seem to have spend most of their short time on here talking about Prince's death, rather than his wonderful life.


I don't mean newbies aren't welcome, but if we aren't talking about his brilliant work for the most, I'll quote Prince, "what the hell U come here 4?"

AMEN!

purplethunder3121 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Wow, you log off a couple of days and come back to 62 pages of underline disrespect based on bit part information; predominantly from a majority who seem to have spend most of their short time on here talking about Prince's death, rather than his wonderful life.


I don't mean newbies aren't welcome, but if we aren't talking about his brilliant work for the most, I'll quote Prince, "what the hell U come here 4?"

AMEN!

to watch the development of the longest thread and see if it breaks the ORG

morningsong said:

rogifan said:

Does anyone know how long Meron had been working for Prince? From a photo I saw of her she looks young. Was she a recent hire?

Found a post in a different thread that states Meron is a 26 year old Ethiopian born model and was working for him for past couple of years. http://prince.org/msg/7/425772

XxAxX said:

http://kstp.com/entertainment/counterfeit-pain-pills-prince/4242453/?cat=12584

Counterfeit Pain Pills Likely Came to Prince Illegally

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more at link

[Edited 8/22/16 18:23pm]

That's got to be the stupidest headline ever

jayseajay said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Right, if he wasn't able to eat or drink normally (per the chef), it doesn't take long for a person who is already small and thin to start looking frail.

Yeah, but its not just the weight loss, he was that thin at least twice before, at the end of the slave period, and in Montreux in 2009, but he didn't look frail either time. It's the weight loss and also something else, which is more indefinable....but it's defintely there....

Yup. I think most of us who saw his last show knew the difference between a "thin" Prince and a "gaunt" Prince. I thought of "desolate" and empty when I saw that face. You would had to have either been blind or intentionally ignoring it.

rogifan said:

who would he trust to get him pills???? did someone close to him fuck up?? or was this intentional

rogifan said:

Does anyone know how long Meron had been working for Prince? From a photo I saw of her she looks young. Was she a recent hire?

I believe I read that she had worked for P for about 3 years.

XxAxX said:

purplethunder3121 said:

AMEN!

to watch the development of the longest thread and see if it breaks the ORG

Oh poo, then it'll get deleted and the one or 2 decent links will get lost forever.

zoso1978 said:

Arjuna said:

I did NOT call Prince that night I called my friends who are VERY close to he and I to go and see, if he is ok. I left a message because it was late when I called; they have children and DID not get my message in time. That is why I said I should have gone on my instinct to get on a plane and go there. No body has a crystal ball nor should they play God but at least I tried to help.

I just want to say a BIG "Thank You" for sharing your personal story & history with everyone on the org. & u go even further 2 answer some questions.

Yes much appreciated.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Bebop17 said:

XxAxX said:

http://kstp.com/entertainment/counterfeit-pain-pills-prince/4242453/?cat=12584

Counterfeit Pain Pills Likely Came to Prince Illegally

excerpted. . .



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more at link

[Edited 8/22/16 18:23pm]

That's got to be the stupidest headline ever

send a letter to the editor...

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Mumio said:

Purpleone4Eva said:

I haven't read all 60 something pages of this thread, but I've seen enough denial of what is becoming clearer and clearer, that Prince had a problem with painkillers, that I have to say that to those reaching for conspiracy theory murder plots to destroy Prince, you're behaving in a way that demonstrates to anyone hiding a drug addiction that they're right to fear the truth coming out.

The only people I've seen throwing around the word "junkie" are fans for example, in order to deny that he was a "junkie." No news legitimate, credible news report has used those sorts of terms. If you apply moralistic judgements to people who become addicted to drugs, then shows more about yourself than it does them. No one is "above" becoming addicted. No one can simply fight their body chemistry with sheer willpower and say "nope, not going to become addicted to this highly addictive substance." it isn't a matter of strength of character, or past clean living. It can happen to anyone, and it's quite clear it happened to Prince.

This story is sad. it's sad that he didn't keep people around him that could spot his problem, it's sad that he didn't trust people to keep him in his circle long enough to know, it's sad that he probably had at least 1 person in his circle who enabled him (though it's also possible he got the pills on his own), it's sad that he finally admitted he needed help and started opening up to those close to him and that he died within a week from the very thing causing the problem.

There are things we do not know. We don't know how long he had this problem. Maybe it wasn't long. Maybe it was. Either way, he was pretty functional, and pain killers don't necessarily make someone loopy or seem out of it. Heck, some people can take cocaine and go to work and you might not know they have a problem. But just because he took a controlled substance, doesn't mean he would "act" like what you think is typical of an addict.

Agree 100%.

XxAxX said:

Bebop17 said:

That's got to be the stupidest headline ever

send a letter to the editor...

That's one of those "Duuuuh, ya think?!" moments.

Menes said:

herb4 said:

That's it? I may as well post "nuh-uh! You're wrong!"

I've had drug addicted friends and family members. I'm a recovering addict myself. I've tended to terminally ill family members. NONE of them were my employer, especially an egocentric, private, rich, independent one like Prince. He probably seemed fine and he said "go home and get some sleep" or "I'd like to be alone and get some rest, OK?"

You think they're gonna argue with him?

"But Prince, just last week you were..."

"GO HOME. Now. PLease"

"But I..."

"I'm FINE. Don't worry. Thank you"

"Are you sure that...?"

*Icy Prince stare*

*person leaves*

*Prince unwittingly pops a pill and dies*

and to add to this, they were getting paid quite well to do as told. Would they still be labeled as "enablers"? Just curious.

mmmmm Yep. Helping an addict get illegal drugs so they stay addicted = ENABLER.

proves someone close to him fucked up or he was murdered

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

purplethunder3121 said:

XxAxX said:

send a letter to the editor...

That's one of those "Duuuuh, ya think?!" moments.

ikr?? it's KSTP, a local news channel. the article is informative.

rogifan said:

endiadj said:

So many play Monday morning QB. It's easy to look back and say, "yeah, I noticed this or that..." Why didn't she mention it before? She's never minced words before about Prince on social media. Did she pull Prince aside, since they were old friends, and say anything to him? What she has to say now about this really doesn't matter.

You can definitely tell she feels guilty. Maybe seeing these stories now she realizes it was worse than she thought at the time and is feeling guilty for not doing something. And maybe she shared it as a private Message because she needed to get it off her chest.

I get the impression from it that maybe she's also angry that the ppl immediately around him didn't realize something was up, and/or that he had surrounded himself with ppl who were not strong enough to challenge him/take better care of him. 'A real friend/mentor is not on your payroll.' I really wish he'd listened to himself better on that one.

Genesia said:

PurpleMusic07 said:

So, i havent read through most of this thread yet... Ignore this if it's already been stated. We are all making the assumption that Prince didnt mislabel the drugs himself. Maybe he previously had a hydrocodone prescription and later obtained a fentanyl script and choose to disguise the pills. As we all keep hearing, fentanyl is hard core and if anyone on his team was aware that he was talking pain killers then I'm sure they would have asked him about the switch and maybe he wanted to keep things as private as he could. I just saw a news report that mentioned fentanyl in vit c and aspirin bottles.. unfortunately I'm quite sure that he didn't believe that he was talking vit-c and maybe no one else disguised the pills but him.

Why can't anyone READ?!

The pills were made to look like generic Vicodin. The actual pills - not the bottles. It doesn't matter a damn what kind of bottle the pills were in - some were in aspirin bottles, there was at least one Aleve bottle. The problem is that the PILLS were not as billed. In other words, they were NOT generic Vicodin. They were bogus hydrocodone laced with fentanyl and other shit.

My guess is that Prince put the pills in the other bottles - so those around him wouldn't know he was taking anything stronger than simple OTC pain relievers. Again - the kind of bottle doesn't matter. The fact that the pills were not what they were supposed to be is the issue.

And they didn't say how many there were - so it's possible that there was just a pill or two in various locations. And if they didn't test each and every one, we don't know that some of the pills weren't legit. The only ones we know were real (as opposed to counterfeit) were the ones that were a prescription for someone else. It's possible he just got the stuff mixed up.

Thank you Genesia. This thread is bonkers.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

LuxLove said:

Why buy V necks then??!

Exactly! I mean seriously, like WTF? So now we're supposed to believe that Prince brought clothes that he wasn't comfortable in, so he regularly wore them backwards...on purpose. And those closest to him never saw anything at all wrong with that?

Wow. After all the weird things we've heard about Prince over the years, this strikes you as unbelievable? Believe me, if Prince wanted to wear his clothes backwards, nobody was going to tell him no. If it kept him happy, fine.

I have no idea if this Lala person is believable or in a position to actually know, but seriously. Why is this so incredibly shocking?

XxAxX said:

http://kstp.com/entertainment/counterfeit-pain-pills-prince/4242453/?cat=12584

Counterfeit Pain Pills Likely Came to Prince Illegally

excerpted. . .
Tamburino, who is not connected to the Prince case, said investigators will likely talk to those close to Prince, and they'll also search the computers, phones and communications of Prince and his associates, to see whether the pills were purchased online. Those searches would typically involve examining text messages, Instagram messages and other communications.

"This is not to say the people close to him are guilty, we have no idea of that. But that's where it would start," Tamburino said. He also added that investigators are probably looking at security footage from Paisley Park, if any exists, to see who might have been going to and from the studio.

Gal Pissetzky, a defense attorney in Chicago, said there are many ways Prince could have obtained the drugs: From a close adviser or friend, from a dealer on one of the stops he made as he was on tour, or over the Internet himself. He added that investigators might also use cellphone data to track Prince's whereabouts.

If someone gave Prince the drug that killed him, that person could face a third degree murder charge, punishable in the state of Minnesota by more than 12 years in prison, Tamburino said.

In addition, any illegal operation that involved making and dealing fentanyl could open many people up to a host of drug charges, from trafficking to conspiracy. Because the sale resulted in Prince's death, it would increase the chances that someone could get the maximum sentence of life in prison if convicted, Turner said.

Turner said he believed there was a good chance someone will eventually be charged. Improved forensics tools, including the ability to use narcotics chemical signatures to narrow down possible manufacturers, also increase the chances of arrests.

If China- or Mexico-based producers were involved, American authorities may have to focus on a dealer or doctor in the U.S. who supplied the drugs knowing the substance was illegal, Turner said. But U.S. agents can and do go after suspects based in countries not inclined to closely cooperate with law enforcement here, such as China.

The drugs could also be made by people who are not associated with cartels. Enticed by big profits, small-time drug dealers are buying pill presses online and using low-cost fentanyl powder from China to make fake pills, according to a July 2016 Drug Enforcement Administration intelligence brief.

But inexperience has a cost. The small-time operators aren't mixing fentanyl correctly and turning out pills with varying strengths, some containing three times a lethal dose. "Such wide disparity in dosing reveals that the producers were likely new to incorporating fentanyl in pill production, as the fentanyl was not thoroughly mixed with the other powders before binding and pressing into pills," the DEA brief said.

Pissetzky said news of the falsely labeled drugs tells him that the pills did not come from a doctor.

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more at link

[Edited 8/22/16 18:28pm]

WOW!

XxAxX said:

purplethunder3121 said:

AMEN!

to watch the development of the longest thread and see if it breaks the ORG

Vulture!

Mumio said:

I believe it was Eileen who provided this info:

Dr S was an intensivist.

Michael T Schulenberg, MD provides intensive care in HOWARD LAKE, MN. An Intensivist is a physician who has special training in critical care.

An intensivist is a board-certified physician who provides special care for critically ill patients. Also known as a critical care physician, the intensivist has advanced training and experience in treating this complex type of patient.

Not this one It may have been first posted in this thread by another member in Reply #1294, and months ago was posted and discussed by others in this thread:

http://prince.org/msg/7/425449