herb4 said:

herb4 said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Still wrong.

That's it? I may as well post "nuh-uh! You're wrong!"

I've had drug addicted friends and family members. I'm a recovering addict myself. I've tended to terminally ill family members. NONE of them were my employer, especially an egocentric, private, rich, independent one like Prince. He probably seemed fine and he said "go home and get some sleep" or "I'd like to be alone and get some rest, OK?"

You think they're gonna argue with him?

"But Prince, just last week you were..."

"GO HOME. Now. PLease"

"But I..."

"I'm FINE. Don't worry. Thank you"

"Are you sure that...?"

*Icy Prince stare*

*person leaves*

*Prince unwittingly pops a pill and dies*

I didn't mean YOU were wrong, just that I believe it was wrong to leave him alone at that point in time. Regardless of what you believe.

AA1slot said:

Menes said:

There is only one organizaion that could possibly be leaking the same narrative to sevral different news sources. Whether it's fentanyl(illicit or prescribed), that narrative was leaked in April before the autopsy to TMZ. Percocet narratve also leaked in April to TMZ. U-47700 was leaked in July on REDDIT. Lidocaine and Alprazolam narrative leaked in August to Star Tribune.

I dont think they need to come up with a "theory". It's already known. The trick is to get someone to co-operate. There should be only 3 real good suspects. One of them will crack soon.

YEs sir. I think the investigators know aht happend for the most part. They're just building their case and using the media to turn up the heat on certain people. It'a common investigative tactic.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

endiadj said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Where did this information come from that Dr. S is a critical care doctor?

Another poster stated he was a critical care doc. I'd never read that before. Everything I've read stated that Shulenberg is a family practitioner.

I believe it was Eileen who provided this info:

Dr S was an intensivist.

Michael T Schulenberg, MD provides intensive care in HOWARD LAKE, MN. An Intensivist is a physician who has special training in critical care.

An intensivist is a board-certified physician who provides special care for critically ill patients. Also known as a critical care physician, the intensivist has advanced training and experience in treating this complex type of patient.

rogifan said:

herb4 said:

Again, 20/20 hindsight, remorse, guilt, etc. Like when a friend or loved one commits suicide, people second guess themselves and the "signs". Youre delusional if you think members of Prince's entourage never smoked a bowl or snorted a line over the years. Some of them got caught but likely some of them didnt either.

Christ, Prince was friends with Miles Davis and George Fucking Clinton, two of the most notorious dope fiends on the planet.

I'm not taking about over the years. And I never said nobody around Prince ever did drugs. My point was she specifically called this out in her post as something odd to her. I don't think Jill is näive. If she's saying this it's because it was surprising to her.

Funny how people 6-degrees away from the camp think they know more about what went on in it as opposed to people who were actually a daily part of the camp, at least at one time. It always starts with, I had a friend or relative who use to do xyz, so of course that must be exactly what Prince was doing. Yep like that person who use to suck on fentanyl patches in the throes of their addiction knew exactly what Prince was going through that night.

laurarichardson said:

AA1slot said:

Correct

Long term means they did not see the long term effects on his body. The checked his hair. This is science people.

Yes and the science is that hair strand analysis only goes back approx. 90 days.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

herb4 said:

That's it? I may as well post "nuh-uh! You're wrong!"

I've had drug addicted friends and family members. I'm a recovering addict myself. I've tended to terminally ill family members. NONE of them were my employer, especially an egocentric, private, rich, independent one like Prince. He probably seemed fine and he said "go home and get some sleep" or "I'd like to be alone and get some rest, OK?"

You think they're gonna argue with him?

"But Prince, just last week you were..."

"GO HOME. Now. PLease"

"But I..."

"I'm FINE. Don't worry. Thank you"

"Are you sure that...?"

*Icy Prince stare*

*person leaves*

*Prince unwittingly pops a pill and dies*

I didn't mean YOU were wrong, just that I believe it was wrong to leave him alone at that point in time. Regardless of what you believe.

Oh, my bad. Sorry about that.

My overall point is that is that it doesn't seem that Prince was the type to surround with people who stood up to him. Quite the contrary in fact. Again, in light of what happened, I find it too easy a thing to state that "Someone should have DONE SOMETHING! I would have done THIS!" From the reports, people WERE trying to do something. They just did it wrong and not in time. Whole thing was an accident.

Put it this way. What if someone DID stay and Prince said "I'm going to take a bath and get some sleep or write some songs. Please don't disturb me." How would they have known he went in the elevator anyway? PP is a big place.

Mumio said:

endiadj said:

I believe it was Eileen who provided this info:

Dr S was an intensivist.

Michael T Schulenberg, MD provides intensive care in HOWARD LAKE, MN. An Intensivist is a physician who has special training in critical care.

An intensivist is a board-certified physician who provides special care for critically ill patients. Also known as a critical care physician, the intensivist has advanced training and experience in treating this complex type of patient.

Yeah, I mean to be a nuisance. Especially since someone has already mentioned it.



I looked all this up long ago in the beginning of all this.

Again...


Only one website is listing that doctor as such. No-one has shown a shredd of proof in 4 months this website has a good reputation.

Nobody is doing any real leg work on this.

herb4 said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

I didn't mean YOU were wrong, just that I believe it was wrong to leave him alone at that point in time. Regardless of what you believe.

Oh, my bad. Sorry about that.

My overall point is that is that it doesn't seem that Prince was the type to surround with people who stood up to him. Quite the contrary in fact. Again, in light of what happened, I find it too easy a thing to state that "Someone should have DONE SOMETHING! I would have done THIS!" From the reports, people WERE trying to do something. They just did it wrong and not in time. Whole thing was an accident.

Put it this way. What if someone DID stay and Prince said "I'm going to take a bath and get some sleep or write some songs. Please don't disturb me." How would they have known he went in the elevator anyway? PP is a big place.

True.

uniden said:

Jill jones posted this earlier, not sue if it's been deleted now? (FROM THE MIND & HEART OF Jill Jones-Mühlum) MAD <3 JJ This has been heavy on my heart for months now since his passing. Only a few close friends know this story. I don't know if what I am about to say will help the situation any or perhaps it may raise more questions. But I will say that when I saw Prince in February in the early part of this year at the show he had in Oakland, right after the death of Denise.I told the girls, Apples, my friend Seth,Susan and Susan's sister, "He's on something". .... All I will say is that I fulfilled and played out the role he had created in the song She's always in my Hair.... The girls had started to plan initiatives to alternate time to go to Paisley and take care of him, feed him, get his weight back. He was a bit gaunt. That was our solution when we left Oakland. As he seemed ok with everyone going there. But this organizing perhaps made him feel a bit smothered and soon he dashed saying he had to eat something. Before going he looked at me and said, "if you ever need me or anything, please call Kirk and he will get me." I guess my main question has been this, did i let him down? For a selfish bit of closure? Did i miss that opportunity to save him? Because in my narcissistic brain, i really believe that i could have. Or is it all just fantasy. How i would liked the ending to have been? I feel we all feel this. For truly it is you, his fans who carried him when many of us ( old timers) were not there physically. I am grateful he had that. And i just want to say, i am sorry for dropping the ball. That moment in February was bigger than my closure. I had no idea that it was goodbye.

Omg Jill... this has got me tearing up again. So not her fault. Not anyone's fault. I hope she knows that.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

herb4 said:

Oh, my bad. Sorry about that.

My overall point is that is that it doesn't seem that Prince was the type to surround with people who stood up to him. Quite the contrary in fact. Again, in light of what happened, I find it too easy a thing to state that "Someone should have DONE SOMETHING! I would have done THIS!" From the reports, people WERE trying to do something. They just did it wrong and not in time. Whole thing was an accident.

Put it this way. What if someone DID stay and Prince said "I'm going to take a bath and get some sleep or write some songs. Please don't disturb me." How would they have known he went in the elevator anyway? PP is a big place.

True.

if someone had stayed he might be alive, maybe not we will never know because no one did. what we do know is no one stayed and he died.

leadline said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

laurarichardson said:

AA1slot said: Long term means they did not see the long term effects on his body. The checked his hair. This is science people.

Yes and the science is that hair strand analysis only goes back approx. 90 days.

Yep that's 3 months, it would have covered the incident in the plane, it would have covered his concerts, it would show whether he was taking this batch of pills on a regular basis, more than that fateful pill would have also had fentanyl in it. It would show the experts a lot of information on his habits.

Arjuna said:

morningsong said:

Arjuna said:

I did NOT call Prince that night I called my friends who are VERY close to he and I to go and see, if he is ok. I left a message because it was late when I called; they have children and DID not get my message in time. That is why I said I should have gone on my instinct to get on a plane and go there. No body has a crystal ball nor should they play God but at least I tried to help.

whether you called and spoke with him or, not, and no matter when, it's cool you tried to make contact and reached out.

Genesia said:

PurpleMusic07 said:

So, i havent read through most of this thread yet... Ignore this if it's already been stated. We are all making the assumption that Prince didnt mislabel the drugs himself. Maybe he previously had a hydrocodone prescription and later obtained a fentanyl script and choose to disguise the pills. As we all keep hearing, fentanyl is hard core and if anyone on his team was aware that he was talking pain killers then I'm sure they would have asked him about the switch and maybe he wanted to keep things as private as he could. I just saw a news report that mentioned fentanyl in vit c and aspirin bottles.. unfortunately I'm quite sure that he didn't believe that he was talking vit-c and maybe no one else disguised the pills but him.

Why can't anyone READ?!

The pills were made to look like generic Vicodin. The actual pills - not the bottles. It doesn't matter a damn what kind of bottle the pills were in - some were in aspirin bottles, there was at least one Aleve bottle. The problem is that the PILLS were not as billed. In other words, they were NOT generic Vicodin. They were bogus hydrocodone laced with fentanyl and other shit.

My guess is that Prince put the pills in the other bottles - so those around him wouldn't know he was taking anything stronger than simple OTC pain relievers. Again - the kind of bottle doesn't matter. The fact that the pills were not what they were supposed to be is the issue.

And they didn't say how many there were - so it's possible that there was just a pill or two in various locations. And if they didn't test each and every one, we don't know that some of the pills weren't legit. The only ones we know were real (as opposed to counterfeit) were the ones that were a prescription for someone else. It's possible he just got the stuff mixed up.

I'm not disagreeing with anything you say. I just want to add that the counterfeit pill(s) were bootleg hydrocodones, while the prescription pills were oxycodone. Oxy is stronger. Thinking about that just made me really sad. If only he'd opted for the stronger pill.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

morningsong said:

Funny how people 6-degrees away from the camp think they know more about what went on in it as opposed to people who were actually a daily part of the camp, at least at one time. It always starts with, I had a friend or relative who use to do xyz, so of course that must be exactly what Prince was doing. Yep like that person who use to suck on fentanyl patches in the throes of their addiction knew exactly what Prince was going through that night.

Wowwww.....I would be willing to bet they have a much better understanding and perspective on what he may have been battling than someone who hasn't seen it or been around it. And u best believe someone in chronic pain each day gets what he was likely feeling (no not exactly) and can relate closely to his experience.

Prince wasn't sucking on fentanyl patches to feed an addiction so such people can not enlighten anyone on what was happening to Prince, that's all there is to it.

There's a difference from someone sharing their experience with pain and someone painting a picture of what they know Prince was doing and why. It's dumb, plain and simple. Pages and pages of it is dumb.

Purpleone4Eva said:

uniden said:

Jill jones posted this earlier, not sue if it's been deleted now? (FROM THE MIND & HEART OF Jill Jones-Mühlum) MAD <3 JJ This has been heavy on my heart for months now since his passing. Only a few close friends know this story. I don't know if what I am about to say will help the situation any or perhaps it may raise more questions. But I will say that when I saw Prince in February in the early part of this year at the show he had in Oakland, right after the death of Denise.I told the girls, Apples, my friend Seth,Susan and Susan's sister, "He's on something". .... All I will say is that I fulfilled and played out the role he had created in the song She's always in my Hair.... The girls had started to plan initiatives to alternate time to go to Paisley and take care of him, feed him, get his weight back. He was a bit gaunt. That was our solution when we left Oakland. As he seemed ok with everyone going there. But this organizing perhaps made him feel a bit smothered and soon he dashed saying he had to eat something. Before going he looked at me and said, "if you ever need me or anything, please call Kirk and he will get me." I guess my main question has been this, did i let him down? For a selfish bit of closure? Did i miss that opportunity to save him? Because in my narcissistic brain, i really believe that i could have. Or is it all just fantasy. How i would liked the ending to have been? I feel we all feel this. For truly it is you, his fans who carried him when many of us ( old timers) were not there physically. I am grateful he had that. And i just want to say, i am sorry for dropping the ball. That moment in February was bigger than my closure. I had no idea that it was goodbye.

Omg Jill... this has got me tearing up again. So not her fault. Not anyone's fault. I hope she knows that.

rogifan said:

Does anyone know how long Meron had been working for Prince? From a photo I saw of her she looks young. Was she a recent hire?

Been trying to find that info. So far no luck. She does look young. According to her Linkedin profile, she graduated college in 2012. https://www.linkedin.com/...e-1348784a

I haven't read all 60 something pages of this thread, but I've seen enough denial of what is becoming clearer and clearer, that Prince had a problem with painkillers, that I have to say that to those reaching for conspiracy theory murder plots to destroy Prince, you're behaving in a way that demonstrates to anyone hiding a drug addiction that they're right to fear the truth coming out.

The only people I've seen throwing around the word "junkie" are fans for example, in order to deny that he was a "junkie." No news legitimate, credible news report has used those sorts of terms. If you apply moralistic judgements to people who become addicted to drugs, then shows more about yourself than it does them. No one is "above" becoming addicted. No one can simply fight their body chemistry with sheer willpower and say "nope, not going to become addicted to this highly addictive substance." it isn't a matter of strength of character, or past clean living. It can happen to anyone, and it's quite clear it happened to Prince.

This story is sad. it's sad that he didn't keep people around him that could spot his problem, it's sad that he didn't trust people to keep him in his circle long enough to know, it's sad that he probably had at least 1 person in his circle who enabled him (though it's also possible he got the pills on his own), it's sad that he finally admitted he needed help and started opening up to those close to him and that he died within a week from the very thing causing the problem.

There are things we do not know. We don't know how long he had this problem. Maybe it wasn't long. Maybe it was. Either way, he was pretty functional, and pain killers don't necessarily make someone loopy or seem out of it. Heck, some people can take cocaine and go to work and you might not know they have a problem. But just because he took a controlled substance, doesn't mean he would "act" like what you think is typical of an addict.

herb4 said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Still wrong.

That's it? I may as well post "nuh-uh! You're wrong!"

I've had drug addicted friends and family members. I'm a recovering addict myself. I've tended to terminally ill family members. NONE of them were my employer, especially an egocentric, private, rich, independent one like Prince. He probably seemed fine and he said "go home and get some sleep" or "I'd like to be alone and get some rest, OK?"

You think they're gonna argue with him?

"But Prince, just last week you were..."

"GO HOME. Now. PLease"

"But I..."

"I'm FINE. Don't worry. Thank you"

"Are you sure that...?"

*Icy Prince stare*

*person leaves*

*Prince unwittingly pops a pill and dies*

and to add to this, they were getting paid quite well to do as told. Would they still be labeled as "enablers"? Just curious.

Purpleone4Eva said:

Purpleone4Eva said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

http://kstp.com/entertainment/counterfeit-pain-pills-prince/4242453/?cat=12584

Counterfeit Pain Pills Likely Came to Prince Illegally

excerpted. . .
Tamburino, who is not connected to the Prince case, said investigators will likely talk to those close to Prince, and they'll also search the computers, phones and communications of Prince and his associates, to see whether the pills were purchased online. Those searches would typically involve examining text messages, Instagram messages and other communications.

"This is not to say the people close to him are guilty, we have no idea of that. But that's where it would start," Tamburino said. He also added that investigators are probably looking at security footage from Paisley Park, if any exists, to see who might have been going to and from the studio.

Gal Pissetzky, a defense attorney in Chicago, said there are many ways Prince could have obtained the drugs: From a close adviser or friend, from a dealer on one of the stops he made as he was on tour, or over the Internet himself. He added that investigators might also use cellphone data to track Prince's whereabouts.

If someone gave Prince the drug that killed him, that person could face a third degree murder charge, punishable in the state of Minnesota by more than 12 years in prison, Tamburino said.

In addition, any illegal operation that involved making and dealing fentanyl could open many people up to a host of drug charges, from trafficking to conspiracy. Because the sale resulted in Prince's death, it would increase the chances that someone could get the maximum sentence of life in prison if convicted, Turner said.

Turner said he believed there was a good chance someone will eventually be charged. Improved forensics tools, including the ability to use narcotics chemical signatures to narrow down possible manufacturers, also increase the chances of arrests.

If China- or Mexico-based producers were involved, American authorities may have to focus on a dealer or doctor in the U.S. who supplied the drugs knowing the substance was illegal, Turner said. But U.S. agents can and do go after suspects based in countries not inclined to closely cooperate with law enforcement here, such as China.

The drugs could also be made by people who are not associated with cartels. Enticed by big profits, small-time drug dealers are buying pill presses online and using low-cost fentanyl powder from China to make fake pills, according to a July 2016 Drug Enforcement Administration intelligence brief.

But inexperience has a cost. The small-time operators aren't mixing fentanyl correctly and turning out pills with varying strengths, some containing three times a lethal dose. "Such wide disparity in dosing reveals that the producers were likely new to incorporating fentanyl in pill production, as the fentanyl was not thoroughly mixed with the other powders before binding and pressing into pills," the DEA brief said.

Pissetzky said news of the falsely labeled drugs tells him that the pills did not come from a doctor.

. . .

more at link

[Edited 8/22/16 18:28pm]

Genesia said:

uniden said:

Jill jones posted this earlier, not sue if it's been deleted now? (FROM THE MIND & HEART OF Jill Jones-Mühlum) MAD <3 JJ

Wow - so sad. That is a woman wracked with pain, sorrow, and guilt.

I agree. She is second guessing herself, that can cause more pain and guilt, which she shouldn't be doing.