herb4 said:

You are right he was a man of means but a true friend would have never have helped him get drugs. If this was someone close to him I cannot see how they can look at themselves in the mirror.

lwr001 said:

leadline said:

I see a giant afro that is making his face and body 'seem' thinner than it actually is

the guy in the flip flops at the bottom looks like he is present and running shit..the guy up top looks confused and appears to be on a day pass with his handler

OR the picture taker just caught him off guard.

teach49 said:

lwr001 said:

teach49 said: True yet it happens everyday in every sociology economic class. The hook up It could be motivated by getting a piece of the play as in I get some drugs for free and or make some money on the side for facilitating the transaction. Murder it is not

And that's a criminal act, especially if someone dies. Look, I'm not one of the ones that said it is murder. But I'm a little tired of the either/or. Either he was murdered by Miss Scarlett in the Library or he was a just an addict who is the only one at fault!

He took a risk, yes. But the drugs were mislabeled. Unless he did that himself and/or knew about it, someone else is culpable as well. That's why this is a criminal investigation.

[Edited 8/22/16 16:25pm]

[Edited 8/22/16 16:26pm]

no doubt, negligent homicide or manslaughter, I agree..these are different than a pure murder one charge

rogifan said:

Well Jill's FB post has made it to some Prince groups on FB. I wonder if she'll keep it up or delete it.

I vote DELETE.

slowlywiltingflower said:

No I just think you are a lazy ass and not capable of thinking. If various media outlets have said Dr.S is a critical care doctor don't you think they might be on to something perhaps the Dr.had actually told people he is a critical care Dr. At this point he has been interviewed by law enforcement so I think we don't need your stamp of approval. What we do know is he is not a pain management doctor.

So, i havent read through most of this thread yet... Ignore this if it's already been stated.

We are all making the assumption that Prince didnt mislabel the drugs himself. Maybe he previously had a hydrocodone prescription and later obtained a fentanyl script and choose to disguise the pills. As we all keep hearing, fentanyl is hard core and if anyone on his team was aware that he was talking pain killers then I'm sure they would have asked him about the switch and maybe he wanted to keep things as private as he could.

I just saw a news report that mentioned fentanyl in vit c and aspirin bottles.. unfortunately I'm quite sure that he didn't believe that he was talking vit-c and maybe no one else disguised the pills but him.

teach49 said:

laurarichardson said:

lwr001 said: - Who ever sold face eater the bath salts would be going to jail. One of the many down sides of being a dirt bag drug dealer is you the seller do the time not the asshat you got the drugs from in Mexico or China.

bath salts arent regulated nor are they illegal

lwr001 said:

teach49 said:

And that's a criminal act, especially if someone dies. Look, I'm not one of the ones that said it is murder. But I'm a little tired of the either/or. Either he was murdered by Miss Scarlett in the Library or he was a just an addict who is the only one at fault!

He took a risk, yes. But the drugs were mislabeled. Unless he did that himself and/or knew about it, someone else is culpable as well. That's why this is a criminal investigation.

[Edited 8/22/16 16:25pm]

[Edited 8/22/16 16:26pm]

no doubt, negligent homicide or manslaughter, I agree..these are different than a pure murder one charge

Yes. With what we know now I don't think it's a murder one thing. No.

And I'm a little emoticon-challenged. Have no idea why my eye-roll is above my comment. :/

[Edited 8/22/16 16:47pm]

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

I keep hearing people say this. Prince was very singular minded, independent and surrounded himslef with yes people. He often wanted privacy. When he said "leave", they did. When he said "get in here and do this or that" they did. They were his employees probably even more than they were his friends since he was so guarded.

It's 20/20 hindsight and too easy in retrospect to say "well, a REAL friend would have done THIS or THAT." Also, if he WAS an addict, nothing anyone could have done would have stopeed him from using if he wanted to. Shit, especially a man with his means.

You are right he was a man of means but a true friend would have never have helped him get drugs. If this was someone close to him I cannot see how they can look at themselves in the mirror.

My money is on the enablers on the payroll who were not his friends and were more worried about the money than his wellbeing. SHAMEFUL. I agree about not being able to look in the mirror.

laurarichardson said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

-

Aw, you're just upset because you couldn't Goggle up more than the one, very same site I'd already linked to before. Love you laura. Don't ever change!

No I just think you are a lazy ass and not capable of thinking. If various media outlets have said Dr.S is a critical care doctor don't you think they might be on to something perhaps the Dr.had actually told people he is a critical care Dr. At this point he has been interviewed by law enforcement so I think we don't need your stamp of approval. What we do know is he is not a pain management doctor.

YEEEEOOOOWWW!

And Jill's post was private so only those that are friends with here could see it. I can't get it out of my head and it's making me ill. She says she noticed something wasn't right, not that P was falling over or slurring or drugged up (so he might seem fine to the naked eye) but that his "chi was off". You can definitely feel guilt in her post. I'm sure she's thinking she should have reached out to try and find out what was going on and get him help.

laurarichardson said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

-

Aw, you're just upset because you couldn't Goggle up more than the one, very same site I'd already linked to before. Love you laura. Don't ever change!

No I just think you are a lazy ass and not capable of thinking. If various media outlets have said Dr.S is a critical care doctor don't you think they might be on to something perhaps the Dr.had actually told people he is a critical care Dr. At this point he has been interviewed by law enforcement so I think we don't need your stamp of approval. What we do know is he is not a pain management doctor.

No, I think various media outlets are lazy if they aren't reporting the most accurate information. Dr S has been practicing as a family medicine physician, or primary care. If he has critical care training, that's another thing but he wasn't currently practicing as a critical care physician. Get it right, Laura. I'm hardly the lazy one here, I can cite about three more things you've been claiming/stating on this very thread that are wrong yet you don't bother to research anything yourself to discover that. And what does 'my stamp of approval' mean? What are you going on about? And I never said he was a pain management doctor so get that right too. Good grief.

Also, calm down. BTW I hadn't called you any names nor insulted you before you started insulting me...you really come off as a rude, defensive person.

laurarichardson said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

All the talk swirling around is so confusing! Laurarichardson says there are more sites that list this Dr. S as an intensivist, but I sure haven't come across any other one than that one site I linked to, so I hope she can provide where else she's seen him listed as a critical care doctor or whatever. it's hard enough to digest everything without muddying things with misinformation/misunderstanding!

Yes it is very important to keep you up to date on everything. Get off your lazy ass and do your own Goggle search and get over yourself while you are at.

Whoa nelly! slowlywiltingflower *did* Google it and came up with the same sketchy site you posted. I believe it was you who said something like "Reading is essential" earlier. Maybe you should take your own advice.

Between your comments here and those about "H", I'm beginning to think you're ... that orange guy.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

laurarichardson said:

slowlywiltingflower said: No I just think you are a lazy ass and not capable of thinking. If various media outlets have said Dr.S is a critical care doctor don't you think they might be on to something perhaps the Dr.had actually told people he is a critical care Dr. At this point he has been interviewed by law enforcement so I think we don't need your stamp of approval. What we do know is he is not a pain management doctor.

YEEEEOOOOWWW!

She sure told me!

lwr001 said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

getting old is not for pussies, he is in his late 50's. and the hair just changed his entire suave presentaion.

[Edited 8/22/16 15:53pm]

Ok, i still dont buy his age caused a preciptious decline in his looks unless of course there was an underl;ying medical condition and or narcotics

[Edited 8/22/16 15:55pm]

Prince was Prince! He always did things his way! Life a MYSTERY. Death a MYSTERY! He did not want and would NOT let everyone know what was going on! He WON again! Prince was NOT a drug addict! He left this level the way he wanted to! He was a very intelligent individual. He left at a point where the real reason he made this choice would not be listed on his death certificate. He could not do it any other way. One must put all of the known factors together and the answer is right there. His last post - but then it was deleted - "Just when you thought you were safe".

PurpleMusic07 said:

It sounds like the pills themselves were mis-labeled. I'm not sure how Prince could do that. Also one of the reports claimed tests showed he didn't have fentanyl in his system prior which would lead me to believe he thought he was taking something else. That would jive with the medical examiner calling the death accidental. And could also be why this killed him and nothing prior did.

rogifan said:

And Jill's post was private so only those that are friends with here could see it. I can't get it out of my head and it's making me ill. She says she noticed something wasn't right, not that P was falling over or slurring or drugged up (so he might seem fine to the naked eye) but that his "chi was off". You can definitely feel guilt in her post. I'm sure she's thinking she should have reached out to try and find out what was going on and get him help.

So many play Monday morning QB. It's easy to look back and say, "yeah, I noticed this or that..." Why didn't she mention it before? She's never minced words before about Prince on social media. Did she pull Prince aside, since they were old friends, and say anything to him? What she has to say now about this really doesn't matter.

PurpleMusic07 said:

So, i havent read through most of this thread yet... Ignore this if it's already been stated. We are all making the assumption that Prince didnt mislabel the drugs himself. Maybe he previously had a hydrocodone prescription and later obtained a fentanyl script and choose to disguise the pills. As we all keep hearing, fentanyl is hard core and if anyone on his team was aware that he was talking pain killers then I'm sure they would have asked him about the switch and maybe he wanted to keep things as private as he could. I just saw a news report that mentioned fentanyl in vit c and aspirin bottles.. unfortunately I'm quite sure that he didn't believe that he was talking vit-c and maybe no one else disguised the pills but him.

It was reported that the pills that contained Fentanyl and other substances were actually stamped as Hydrocodone. Meaning the actual ID stamp on the pill "Watson 385" - not the label on a prescription bottle. So Prince (and possibly whomever he got them from) would have just thought they were Hydrocodone. Prince probably didn't have a clue. The drug dealers/cartels are manufacturing the counterfeit pills this way and they are DEADLY. It was also reported Prince did not have any prescriptions for opiods in MN during the last 12 months.

Bebop17 said:

laurarichardson said:

slowlywiltingflower said: Yes it is very important to keep you up to date on everything. Get off your lazy ass and do your own Goggle search and get over yourself while you are at.

Whoa nelly! slowlywiltingflower *did* Google it and came up with the same sketchy site you posted. I believe it was you who said something like "Reading is essential" earlier. Maybe you should take your own advice.

Between your comments here and those about "H", I'm beginning to think you're ... that orange guy.

Thanks Bebop17! I guess she just missed my earlier post with the link. She still didn't need to get so nasty with me though.

Is Meron also lawyered up? How long had she been working for Prince?

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Ah I see, well that certainly alters things.

Misty48 said:

lwr001 said:

[Edited 8/22/16 15:53pm]

Ok, i still dont buy his age caused a preciptious decline in his looks unless of course there was an underl;ying medical condition and or narcotics

[Edited 8/22/16 15:55pm]

Prince was Prince! He always did things his way! Life a MYSTERY. Death a MYSTERY! He did not want and would NOT let everyone know what was going on! He WON again! Prince was NOT a drug addict! He left this level the way he wanted to! He was a very intelligent individual. He left at a point where the real reason he made this choice would not be listed on his death certificate. He could not do it any other way. One must put all of the known factors together and the answer is right there. His last post - but then it was deleted - "Just when you thought you were safe".

WHAAAAAAT?

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Misty48 said:

Prince was Prince! He always did things his way! Life a MYSTERY. Death a MYSTERY! He did not want and would NOT let everyone know what was going on! He WON again! Prince was NOT a drug addict! He left this level the way he wanted to! He was a very intelligent individual. He left at a point where the real reason he made this choice would not be listed on his death certificate. He could not do it any other way. One must put all of the known factors together and the answer is right there. His last post - but then it was deleted - "Just when you thought you were safe".

WHAAAAAAT?

Misty48's post is kind of a MYSTERY.

PurpleMusic07 said:

So, i havent read through most of this thread yet... Ignore this if it's already been stated. We are all making the assumption that Prince didnt mislabel the drugs himself. Maybe he previously had a hydrocodone prescription and later obtained a fentanyl script and choose to disguise the pills. As we all keep hearing, fentanyl is hard core and if anyone on his team was aware that he was talking pain killers then I'm sure they would have asked him about the switch and maybe he wanted to keep things as private as he could. I just saw a news report that mentioned fentanyl in vit c and aspirin bottles.. unfortunately I'm quite sure that he didn't believe that he was talking vit-c and maybe no one else disguised the pills but him.

It's not the labels, the actual pills have the number for hydrocodone stamped on them.

[Edited 8/22/16 17:08pm]

PurpleMusic07 said:

So, i havent read through most of this thread yet... Ignore this if it's already been stated. We are all making the assumption that Prince didnt mislabel the drugs himself. Maybe he previously had a hydrocodone prescription and later obtained a fentanyl script and choose to disguise the pills. As we all keep hearing, fentanyl is hard core and if anyone on his team was aware that he was talking pain killers then I'm sure they would have asked him about the switch and maybe he wanted to keep things as private as he could. I just saw a news report that mentioned fentanyl in vit c and aspirin bottles.. unfortunately I'm quite sure that he didn't believe that he was talking vit-c and maybe no one else disguised the pills but him.

Why can't anyone READ?!

The pills were made to look like generic Vicodin. The actual pills - not the bottles. It doesn't matter a damn what kind of bottle the pills were in - some were in aspirin bottles, there was at least one Aleve bottle. The problem is that the PILLS were not as billed. In other words, they were NOT generic Vicodin. They were bogus hydrocodone laced with fentanyl and other shit.

My guess is that Prince put the pills in the other bottles - so those around him wouldn't know he was taking anything stronger than simple OTC pain relievers. Again - the kind of bottle doesn't matter. The fact that the pills were not what they were supposed to be is the issue.

And they didn't say how many there were - so it's possible that there was just a pill or two in various locations. And if they didn't test each and every one, we don't know that some of the pills weren't legit. The only ones we know were real (as opposed to counterfeit) were the ones that were a prescription for someone else. It's possible he just got the stuff mixed up.

lwr001 said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said: I still want to know who these two young chicks were smoking weed in that bathroom. Why would Prince have people like that around him.

Its weed, relax,, you think Vanity snorted all the blow by herself when they were together

Thank you. I was gonna post it if someone else didn't. "Oh my stars and garters? Not WEED?!" What teh fuck year is this again? You guys act like people were banging junk with rusty needles filled with toilet water.

Good lord, this thread is insane. It's clear from the tone of it that many people are "zero tolerance" types and appraently have never ever met a functioning, high acheiving memeber of society who ever smoked pot, dropped LDS or took pain pills. It's expressed in the inherent defensiveness of people inventing reasons why Prince was murdered instead of believing what's staring them right in the face: that dude had a problem.

Doesn't make him a "junkie" and there's no reason to be so binary in the judgement. At least for me there's not. A lot of my favorite friends and artists have used drugs. Some had problems. Some died. Prince accidentally overdosing doesn't for one second lessen anything he did in his life and jumping through to hoops to dismiss the obvious is a diservice to responisble drug users and addicts alike.

Quick poll: For all the "he was murdered" people: What are your thoughts on 9/11, Building 17 and the moon landing?

Mumio said:

nursev said:

Im playing Prince's music right now...All this changes nothing. I will always love him and Imma need Justice for my hero

Nursey, you know I'm with you.

me too. the field day tabloids have been enjoying with respect to prince's legacy and reputation pisses me off.

someone, somewhere knows something.

i'm not seeking personal injury or vengeance, but if there's anything a fan like me can do like attend a convicted drug dealer's parole hearing and vote down a shortened sentence, i'll go.

[Edited 8/22/16 17:12pm]

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

teach49 said:

Thanks for solving that mystery. Crazy place this thread.

intensivist means that he has had xtra training in a critical care filed at some point, it does not mean that he was a critical care doctor, he was practicing general medicine

It came up when discussing if Dr S was "in over his head" treating P (I am sure he would not have taken him as a patient if that was the case). I had seen it referenced before, checked it (http://www.wellness.com/dir/1781758/intensivist/mn/howard-lake/michael-t-schulenberg-md) and said he was an intensivist and so I said he was unlikely to be out of his depth. I also attached the definition from here I think (https://www.umassmemorialhealthcare.org/umass-memorial-medical-center/services-).

.

If it is a different Dr S then my apologies

endiadj said:

You can definitely tell she feels guilty. Maybe seeing these stories now she realizes it was worse than she thought at the time and is feeling guilty for not doing something. And maybe she shared it as a private Message because she needed to get it off her chest.

lwr001 said:

Superconductor said:

Wow this thread is insane! The most plausible and rational explanation at this point in time is that Prince was addicted to prescription pain killers and overdosed on black market pills laced with fentanyl. He hid the pills in various bottles and places and this had been going on for a while. Given he got into trouble the week before he died, this is just reckless. The morale of the story: One, don't buy into the public persona, he was human after all. And two, life is short so focus on having close famliy and friends you can trust and love you for the person you are. As Prince's cousin said, be free to say to your next of kin - hey I am not feeling well, help me.

Yep to this.. Its almost as if no one on here has done drugs before..The quid pro quo in street drugs is you accept the inherant risk that you just might lose your life as you dont know what you are getting.. In a one mile radious last week in WV 30 people OD in a 24 hr period.. Whether it was spiked or not is irrelevant, hat is relevant is that they and Prince wanted to take illict and lllegal drugs..Not casting judgement as i have a weed one hitter in my hand now

Don't overdose on it!