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Reply #120 posted 08/20/16 9:18pm

EnDoRpHn

strawberrylova123 said:

anangellooksdown said:
Well I think lidocaine is mostly used for pain.
Lidocaine is the most important 1b Arrhthmiac drug, it's specifically used for cardiac ventricle. But it can aslo be used to numb pain.

There's no way it had anything to do with arrhythmia. Lidocaine is administered as an IV bolus for that purpose, i.e., typically by an EMT or ER MD/RN).

You can buy low-dosage lidocaine transdermal patches without a prescription.

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Reply #121 posted 08/20/16 9:19pm

EnDoRpHn

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This news is so upsetting. Did it really end like this for him?? This is sounding more and more like a MURDER investigation!

I'm sure it always has been. If police are able to find enough evidence to establish conclusively who supplied the drugs, there will certainly be at least a second-degree murder or manslaughter charge filed.

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Reply #122 posted 08/20/16 9:20pm

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terrig said:



NinaB said:


babynoz said:



I know. Just when we were beginning to feel we could exhale a little bit, the other shoe drops and I'm choked up again. sad

Foul play as far as I'm concerned.



Yeah exactly, perfect timing. Honestly don't know what 2 think anymore...I've struggled 2 keep up & understand, but my brain can't bend 2 much further.


I just can't understand it.

The 'camp' makes me very queasy now.



I know. 4 months of BS. Everything is suspect 2 me at this point.
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #123 posted 08/20/16 9:23pm

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rogifan said:

XxAxX said:

i read that at the time you posted it and agreed. i felt it better to be silent before, in order to let prince r.i.p. but now, i feel differently.


to be honest, i've always felt there is something off about what appears to have happened and what we've been told. ever since the DEA investigation of paisley park en masse and their subsequent close lipped silence i've been wondering what they found. and as more details come to light i am not reassured.

imo it was tasteless before now to discuss foul play, but at this point imo, the backward clothing absolutely speaks to some kind of interference.

Foul play by who?

imo it was tasteless before now to discuss foul play, but at this point imo, the backward clothing absolutely speaks to some kind of interference.

foul play insofar as what happened and what we've been told so far don't quite match. foul play as in his body was found clad in inside out and backward clothing, which would, as i said above, seem to indicate some kind of interference with his remains after he passed.

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Reply #124 posted 08/20/16 9:23pm

babynoz

XxAxX said:

babynoz said:



I believe you.

thank you. i'm not making this up, but didn't mention it before because it's hearsay. actually, i posted it once but then deleted it right away. in light of this clothing thing, i'm pissed enough to tell



I could see putting on one piece of clothing wrong but everything? Furthermore, the ME report says he was wearing his cap but the Trib does not. If he were running for help in a panic why would he put on a cap?

Are there no phones on the second floor of PP? Why would he need to get into the elevator to call for help?

If he was so far gone as to be using four different meds then how was he even vertical at all and not laid out? My back went out last month and I was in bed for almost a week from the pain.

Whomever is leaking info to the Trib wants us to believe a certain narrative about P.

This is some bullshit.



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Reply #125 posted 08/20/16 9:25pm

rogifan

Someone on a Prince FB group claims this "source" has been proven wrong before. Not sure how they would know but to me it's all just gossip at this point.
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Reply #126 posted 08/20/16 9:25pm

EnDoRpHn

XxAxX said:

rogifan said:

XxAxX said: Foul play by who?

imo it was tasteless before now to discuss foul play, but at this point imo, the backward clothing absolutely speaks to some kind of interference.

foul play insofar as what happened and what we've been told so far don't quite match. foul play as in his body was found clad in inside out and backward clothing, which would, as i said above, seem to indicate some kind of interference with his remains after he passed.

If someone had the presence of mind to dress and move his body, do you really think they wouldn't pay attention to how his clothes were put on?

Would the sheriff really say there were no signs of foul play if investigators interpreted his clothing to mean otherwise?

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Reply #127 posted 08/20/16 9:26pm

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babynoz said:

XxAxX said:

thank you. i'm not making this up, but didn't mention it before because it's hearsay. actually, i posted it once but then deleted it right away. in light of this clothing thing, i'm pissed enough to tell



I could see putting on one piece of clothing wrong but everything? Furthermore, the ME report says he was wearing his cap but the Trib does not. If he were running for help in a panic why would he put on a cap?

Are there no phones on the second floor of PP? Why would he need to get into the elevator to call for help?

If he was so far gone as to be using four different meds then how was he even vertical at all and not laid out? My back went out last month and I was in bed for almost a week from the pain.

Whomever is leaking info to the Trib wants us to believe a certain narrative about P.

This is some bullshit.



it's disturbing, to say the least if this bit about the clothing is not someone's twisted attempt to torture fans and the public. but, the Strib has a lot at stake and a solid journalistic reputation.

things do not add up, imo.

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Reply #128 posted 08/20/16 9:26pm

babynoz

XxAxX said:

LBrent said:

XxAxX said: I don't doubt it, Dammit, I said it here: http://prince.org/msg/7/4...&pg=32

i read that at the time you posted it and agreed. i felt it better to be silent before, in order to let prince r.i.p. but now, i feel differently.


to be honest, i've always felt there is something off about what appears to have happened and what we've been told. ever since the DEA investigation of paisley park en masse and their subsequent close lipped silence i've been wondering what they found. and as more details come to light i am not reassured.

imo it was tasteless before now to discuss foul play, but at this point imo, the backward clothing absolutely speaks to some kind of interference.



In the absence of new information I was hesitant to consider foul play too but at this point everything is on the table as far as I'm concerned.

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Reply #129 posted 08/20/16 9:28pm

terrig

NinaB said:

terrig said:


I just can't understand it.

The 'camp' makes me very queasy now.


I know. 4 months of BS. Everything is suspect 2 me at this point.


as much as this hurts i want all the deatils to come out and i want anyone who enabled or participated in this shitshow to suffer the full extent of the law.


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Reply #130 posted 08/20/16 9:28pm

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EnDoRpHn said:

XxAxX said:

imo it was tasteless before now to discuss foul play, but at this point imo, the backward clothing absolutely speaks to some kind of interference.

foul play insofar as what happened and what we've been told so far don't quite match. foul play as in his body was found clad in inside out and backward clothing, which would, as i said above, seem to indicate some kind of interference with his remains after he passed.

If someone had the presence of mind to dress and move his body, do you really think they wouldn't pay attention to how his clothes were put on?

Would the sheriff really say there were no signs of foul play if investigators interpreted his clothing to mean otherwise?

how would you explain it all?

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Reply #131 posted 08/20/16 9:29pm

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I will only believe what his family says.

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Reply #132 posted 08/20/16 9:29pm

rogifan

XxAxX said:



rogifan said:


XxAxX said:


i read that at the time you posted it and agreed. i felt it better to be silent before, in order to let prince r.i.p. but now, i feel differently.



to be honest, i've always felt there is something off about what appears to have happened and what we've been told. ever since the DEA investigation of paisley park en masse and their subsequent close lipped silence i've been wondering what they found. and as more details come to light i am not reassured.

imo it was tasteless before now to discuss foul play, but at this point imo, the backward clothing absolutely speaks to some kind of interference.



Foul play by who?

imo it was tasteless before now to discuss foul play, but at this point imo, the backward clothing absolutely speaks to some kind of interference.




foul play insofar as what happened and what we've been told so far don't quite match. foul play as in his body was found clad in inside out and backward clothing, which would, as i said above, seem to indicate some kind of interference with his remains after he passed.


Who and why? Of course assuming this story is even accurate.
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Reply #133 posted 08/20/16 9:30pm

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rogifan said:

XxAxX said:

imo it was tasteless before now to discuss foul play, but at this point imo, the backward clothing absolutely speaks to some kind of interference.

foul play insofar as what happened and what we've been told so far don't quite match. foul play as in his body was found clad in inside out and backward clothing, which would, as i said above, seem to indicate some kind of interference with his remains after he passed.

Who and why? Of course assuming this story is even accurate.

good question? assuming this story is correct of course?

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Reply #134 posted 08/20/16 9:31pm

LBrent

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Of interest was the fact that if this is to be believed. He needed not one but two narcan shots in Moline to be revived


But think about it, P's taking what he THINKS is his prescription and ends up in an ER in Moline. Doctors want to keep him, since they revived him and he'd rather be comfortable in the privacy of his own home, he leaves.

But if he was feeling well and not in the type of pain that he usually took his prescription for...he was okay until the night before he was due to go to whatever rehab situation they claim he was going to. It's typical behavior for folks going into rehab treatment, even weight loss treatment, to do whatever for one last time before they go into treatment.

Unfortunately, no one was with him to see he needed 911.

The next morning, whoever found him dressed him for modesty's sake. But the coroner can tell if the body's been moved or whatever after death. (Fluids settle and you can bruise a dead body).

Makes more sense now that loved ones are being so chill. The authorities haven't forgotten about P. They're not just ignoring his death. They're all chill in and working on the details of his death.

Ok. That's more like it. I feel a little better about things now.
[Edited 8/20/16 21:39pm]
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Reply #135 posted 08/20/16 9:33pm

rogifan

XxAxX said:



EnDoRpHn said:




XxAxX said:



imo it was tasteless before now to discuss foul play, but at this point imo, the backward clothing absolutely speaks to some kind of interference.




foul play insofar as what happened and what we've been told so far don't quite match. foul play as in his body was found clad in inside out and backward clothing, which would, as i said above, seem to indicate some kind of interference with his remains after he passed.



If someone had the presence of mind to dress and move his body, do you really think they wouldn't pay attention to how his clothes were put on?



Would the sheriff really say there were no signs of foul play if investigators interpreted his clothing to mean otherwise?



how would you explain it all?


It's impossible to explain when we don't know what's true or not. This was a post in my FB feed:

"according to a source with knowledge of the investigation". Don't believe the BS of this so called source. This source has been proven wrong before. Wait for official statements before you believe it.
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Reply #136 posted 08/20/16 9:34pm

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Anyone think that maybe he put his clothes on backwards before he left the doctor's office earlier that day? If the doctor gave him fluids and examined him, he may have had to strip and put on a gown. When he got dressed, he may been so loopy and weak that he really didn't give a damn or notice for that matter that his clothes were backwards. Also, not fully trusting Star Tribune since they've been trying to dig into his divorce settlement file with Manuela.
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Reply #137 posted 08/20/16 9:34pm

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Anyone think that maybe he put his clothes on backwards before he left the doctor's office earlier that day? If the doctor gave him fluids and examined him, he may have had to strip and put on a gown. When he got dressed, he may been so loopy and weak that he really didn't give a damn or notice for that matter that his clothes were backwards.


very unlikely

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Reply #138 posted 08/20/16 9:35pm

babynoz

XxAxX said:

babynoz said:



I could see putting on one piece of clothing wrong but everything? Furthermore, the ME report says he was wearing his cap but the Trib does not. If he were running for help in a panic why would he put on a cap?

Are there no phones on the second floor of PP? Why would he need to get into the elevator to call for help?

If he was so far gone as to be using four different meds then how was he even vertical at all and not laid out? My back went out last month and I was in bed for almost a week from the pain.

Whomever is leaking info to the Trib wants us to believe a certain narrative about P.

This is some bullshit.



it's disturbing, to say the least if this bit about the clothing is not someone's twisted attempt to torture fans and the public. but, the Strib has a lot at stake and a solid journalistic reputation.

things do not add up, imo.



They are doing what they do, following the leads that they are given. They are not going to knowingly put that reputation at risk. They are being told certain things.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #139 posted 08/20/16 9:36pm

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alandail said:

the more significant think in the story is the fentanyl overdose appears to have happened because the fentanyl was in a bottle labeled as hydrocodone, fetnanyl is vastly more powerful than hydrocodone



So Prince died because the wrong pills were in a bottle.

[Edited 8/20/16 19:31pm]


YES. The most important part of the story. And they said investigators leaning toward belief that Prince took the pills thinking it was hydrocodone and unknowingly that they were actually Fentanyl. I think he was set up to make that mistake
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
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Reply #140 posted 08/20/16 9:37pm

terrig

LBrent said:

lwr001 said:
Of interest was the fact that if this is to be believed. He needed not one but two narcan shots in Moline to be revived
But think about it, P's taking what he THINKS is his prescription and ends up in an ER in Moline. Doctors want to keep him, since they revived him and he'd rather be comfortable in the privacy of his own home, he leaves. But if he was feeling well and not in the type of pain that he usually took his prescription for...he was okay until the night before he was due to go to whatever rehab situation they claim he was going to. It's typical behavior for folks going into rehab treatment, even weight loss treatment, to do whatever for one last time before the go into treatment. Unfortunately, no one was with him to see he needed 911. The next morning, whoever found him dressed him for Misty's sake. But the coroner can tell if the body's been moved or whatever after death. (Fluids settle and you can bruise a dead body). Makes more sense now that loved ones are being so chill. The authorities haven't forgotten about P. They're not just ignoring his death. They're all chill in and working on the details of his death. Ok. That's more like it. I feel a little better about things now.

I'm lost on the bolded...? what do you mean Mistys Sake?

None of this was a legal prescription - I think thats what so scary here....Prince had to know the pills werent legal - but TRUSTED WHERE THEY CAME FROM ENOUGH TO TAKE THEM ..but they werent what he thought they were....there's been an epidemic level of counterfeit drug deaths ....the question is where did they come from and who got them for him? Does anyone think Prince would be getting them illicitly himself?

[Edited 8/20/16 21:41pm]

[Edited 8/20/16 21:41pm]

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Reply #141 posted 08/20/16 9:39pm

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rogifan said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

You are never going to hear anything official. They dont have enough to indict anyone. I doubt if they ever will.

We will not let them forget that we want the truth!

Just saw me in half.

saw saw saw

Oh well I'm not in the it was murder camp. Unless you mean going after a dealer for selling him something illegally....anyway if anything in this story is accurate it just makes me more certain this was for managing pain or some illness and nothing else.

Im not in the murder camp either. Im saying they dont have enough info to indict anyone. This is the reason the information is being leaked. They are at a dead end.

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Reply #142 posted 08/20/16 9:40pm

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alandail said:

Is it at all possible that this is the bottle of pills he picked up at the pharmacy that day?


Well I remember the FBI raided the pharmacy in the beginning but nothing ever came out about it
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Reply #143 posted 08/20/16 9:42pm

LBrent

terrig said:



LBrent said:


lwr001 said:
Of interest was the fact that if this is to be believed. He needed not one but two narcan shots in Moline to be revived

But think about it, P's taking what he THINKS is his prescription and ends up in an ER in Moline. Doctors want to keep him, since they revived him and he'd rather be comfortable in the privacy of his own home, he leaves. But if he was feeling well and not in the type of pain that he usually took his prescription for...he was okay until the night before he was due to go to whatever rehab situation they claim he was going to. It's typical behavior for folks going into rehab treatment, even weight loss treatment, to do whatever for one last time before the go into treatment. Unfortunately, no one was with him to see he needed 911. The next morning, whoever found him dressed him for modesty's sake. But the coroner can tell if the body's been moved or whatever after death. (Fluids settle and you can bruise a dead body). Makes more sense now that loved ones are being so chill. The authorities haven't forgotten about P. They're not just ignoring his death. They're all chill in and working on the details of his death. Ok. That's more like it. I feel a little better about things now.


I'm lost on the bolded...? what do you mean modesty's sake?

None of this was a legal prescription - I think thats what so scary here....Prince had to know the pills werent legal - but they werent what he thought they were....there's been an epidemic level of counterfeit drug deaths ....the question is where did they come from and who got them for him? Does anyone think Prince would be getting them illicitly himself?



Modesty's sake.

Auto correct hates me.
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Reply #144 posted 08/20/16 9:42pm

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babynoz said:

XxAxX said:

it's disturbing, to say the least if this bit about the clothing is not someone's twisted attempt to torture fans and the public. but, the Strib has a lot at stake and a solid journalistic reputation.

things do not add up, imo.



They are doing what they do, following the leads that they are given. They are not going to knowingly put that reputation at risk. They are being told certain things.

i guess taking a deep breath and stepping back wouldn't hurt. but almost everything about prince's passing has been a wtf right from the start. he allegedly took more pills after almost dying from them? he was all alone the night before someone flew out redeye to see him? a stranger called in the 911? the autopsy was conducted the very next day? cremation was that same afternoon? DEA investigation seized possession of PP? he was found in an elevator, like in the song? on april 21 again? clothing put on inside out and backward???? maybe i need to get out more but imo it's like some kind of freaky mystery story unfolding right before our dang eyes.

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Reply #145 posted 08/20/16 9:44pm

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XxAxX said:

babynoz said:



They are doing what they do, following the leads that they are given. They are not going to knowingly put that reputation at risk. They are being told certain things.

i guess taking a deep breath and stepping back wouldn't hurt. but almost everything about prince's passing has been a wtf right from the start. he allegedly took more pills after almost dying from them? he was all alone the night before someone flew out redeye to see him? a stranger called in the 911? the autopsy was conducted the very next day? cremation was that same afternoon? DEA investigation seized possession of PP? he was found in an elevator, like in the song? on april 21 again? clothing put on inside out and backward???? maybe i need to get out more but imo it's like some kind of freaky mystery story unfolding right before our dang eyes.


sometimes the simplest explanation is the most accurate explanation

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Reply #146 posted 08/20/16 9:45pm

terrig

LBrent said:

terrig said:


I'm lost on the bolded...? what do you mean modesty's sake?

None of this was a legal prescription - I think thats what so scary here....Prince had to know the pills werent legal - but they werent what he thought they were....there's been an epidemic level of counterfeit drug deaths ....the question is where did they come from and who got them for him? Does anyone think Prince would be getting them illicitly himself?

Modesty's sake. Auto correct hates me.



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Reply #147 posted 08/20/16 9:46pm

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leadline said:

XxAxX said:

i guess taking a deep breath and stepping back wouldn't hurt. but almost everything about prince's passing has been a wtf right from the start. he allegedly took more pills after almost dying from them? he was all alone the night before someone flew out redeye to see him? a stranger called in the 911? the autopsy was conducted the very next day? cremation was that same afternoon? DEA investigation seized possession of PP? he was found in an elevator, like in the song? on april 21 again? clothing put on inside out and backward???? maybe i need to get out more but imo it's like some kind of freaky mystery story unfolding right before our dang eyes.


sometimes the simplest explanation is the most accurate explanation

here's my hunch. he was either with someone or found by someone that night, long before his crew showed up. either doctor or dealer, someone messed with him

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Reply #148 posted 08/20/16 9:46pm

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terrig said:



NinaB said:


terrig said:



I just can't understand it.

The 'camp' makes me very queasy now.




I know. 4 months of BS. Everything is suspect 2 me at this point.


as much as this hurts i want all the deatils to come out and i want anyone who enabled or participated in this shitshow to suffer the full extent of the law.



I hear you.
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #149 posted 08/20/16 9:47pm

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leadline said:

Hopefully they will continue along the foul play path, because this news definitely plays towards that, along with all the other holes and inconsistencies over the last 4 months.

[Edited 8/20/16 19:59pm]


I have had no peace in my life since he died and I've wondered all this time Im grieving so hard because someone caused this harm on purpose
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