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Printablemorningsong said: I've come to the conclusion its been slowly progressive. MJ passed in 2009. When Prince is asked to comment he states he's too close to it. What did that mean? Not really sure but given how this played out it sounds like he knew he was on the same path.
Not sure if you heard about Tavis Smiley's recent interviews (excuse the redundancy if you have), but he has been recalling Prince's reaction to MJ's death---and mentioning that Prince canceled his jazz fest rehearsals and locked himself in his room when MJ died. Prince asked Tavis to come out to Switzerland and he said that Prince talked for hours about everything that Mike did that he loved. Although, the media always painted them as 'rivals', I truly believe they both valued each other...and to be born the same year...I'm sure it made Prince re-assess mortality. I kind of equate his reaction to hearing that a former classmate has died. I don't necessarily think that Prince had any issues physically at that time---but just look at how Prince's death has impacted us in the Org? I'm sure the deaths of his peers used to hurt and depress him even MORE so. I believe that the death of Whitney in 2012 probably hurt P just as much. She loved him so much and there's some videos on YouTube of she and her daughter at his concert a few months before she passed and there's one video where she's hugging P on stage. Those three were/are often considered the 'triumvirate of music' and if someone would have told me ten years ago that they would all be dead within a 7 year span, I would have never believed them. Giants carry giant loads. They all died while trying to persevere for the public. MJ was prepping for a physically-impossible world tour, Whitney had a 'comeback' peformance scheduled for the night of her death, and P was trying to downplay feeling unwell for his Atlanta concerts. I miss them. I just think P knew the pressures of the industry and how people always want artists to rehash younger versions of themselves instead of allowing them to evolve with age. [Edited 8/6/16 1:58am] | |
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morningsong said: nursev said:  maybe he just thought he could change his outcome...MJ's death was so sad it bothered everybody including Prince.All I can think is unless some major piece of info is missing, Prince didn't just out of the blue start using Fentanyl no more than MJ out of the blue started using Propofol. We just know where it started with MJ and it took many years for it to escalate. We are clueless when it started with Prince. [Edited 8/5/16 20:03pm] But, remember, MJ did a lot of manipulation to his body. His dermatologist used to illegally give him shots of Demerol. The bleaching creams, skin grafts, lupus, ALL of those cosmetic surgeries, the scalp burns, osteoarthritis, etc. MJ's body went through a lot of bizarre shit, so I can see why he used painkillers long-term. P didn't have all that shit going on---I do believe that he may have had arthritis in addition to his chronic hip pain though. So, I don't think it was out of the blue, but I don't think he was on Fentanyl for very long. I think doctors probably previously prescribed something that wasn't working for him anymore. | |
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Not trying to divert this into a picture thread, but it's driving me crazy that I can't find the picture where he's looking up so very, very sad. I think he could be sitting at his piano. And this thread seems appropriate for that picture. Does anyone have it? | |
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Honestly guys, I did not realise anything was going on with Prince....I had not been keeping tabs on him in this decade so I had not been paying close attention.....but I would see him here and there on various sports events on TV from time to time...and thought ...."Oh Prince! I wonder what he is up to lately...." but I never thought he looked sick, or depressed or anything... [Edited 8/6/16 4:45am] | |
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I think this thread has shown that none of us actually know. The only thing I keep reflecting on is the Hit n' Run tour in 2014 - seems the non-fans knew something was up. So many said they wanted to see him while they could. This was what I posted on 25/4/2014:
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I always go to P gigs alone and consequently get talking to the people around me. I've spoken to two different lots of people on this tour who have said that after Michael Jackson's death (one mentioned Whitney Houston too) it made them more determined to see him live 'now' rather than just at some point in the future. They really didn't know any songs bar the obvious but like you say it was something they wanted to be able to say they'd done. I have to confess it felt a little strange to me as usually people have seen him at least once or are super excited to be going for the first time. Its strange to be told that they are seeing him to put a tick on their checklist whilst they still can!
PS. I should add I did go and see James Brown 'whilst I still could' but he was seriously getting on by then. P is still only 55!
I should also add that I saw him twice on that tour and at Manchester he was on FIRE! He was amazing. However, at Leeds something was definitely up. The concert was just a bit flat. I'm sad that the last time I saw him he wasn't upto his usual standard. Many others said the same about Leeds.
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I think you mean the one that this thread is dedicated to?
http://prince.org/msg/7/428627?&pg=1
EDIT: taken out hyperlink as not working [Edited 8/6/16 5:53am] | |
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maplenpg said:
I think you mean the one that this thread is dedicated to?
That thread is about an article in Computerworld.  But if you mean the one where you can see the piano to the left it's not that one. There is one where you see him in close-up and he's looking up. The look in his eyes in that picture has haunted me since I saw it and I know I saved it, but it's gone missing somehow. Really shouldn't do this to myself, I know, but I keep looking for it so I thought I'd ask if anyone has it. | |
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Wierd that the link didn't work. I've removed it and copy and paste works, but yes, he does have the piano to the left so maybe not the one. Sorry. | |
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. Agreed | |
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Wierd that the link didn't work. I've removed it and copy and paste works, but yes, he does have the piano to the left so maybe not the one. Sorry. Thanks for trying though!  | |
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jumanji2016 said: morningsong said: All I can think is unless some major piece of info is missing, Prince didn't just out of the blue start using Fentanyl no more than MJ out of the blue started using Propofol. We just know where it started with MJ and it took many years for it to escalate. We are clueless when it started with Prince. [Edited 8/5/16 20:03pm] But, remember, did a lot of manipulation to his body. His dermatologist used to illegally give him shots of Demerol. The bleaching creams, skin grafts, lupus, ALL of those cosmetic surgeries, the scalp burns, osteoarthritis, etc. MJ's body went through a lot of bizarre shit, so I can see why he used painkillers long-term. P didn't have all that shit going on---I do believe that he may have had arthritis in addition to his chronic hip pain though. So, I don't think it was out of the blue, but I don't think he was on Fentanyl for very long. I think doctors probably previously prescribed something that wasn't working for him anymore. We don't know what was going on with Prince physically wise. Ok he did not have a bunch of cosmetic surgeries. He still put his body through a lot. His image was important to him. The whole work 2x as hard to get half the credit, he worked hard and definitely wanted the credit, he pushed his body. Pain could have been coming from a lot of sources. Fentanyl is the last ditch effort after everything else has been tried and we still don't know where he got it that can't be completely ignored. [Edited 8/6/16 8:00am] | |
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jumanji2016 said: morningsong said: I've come to the conclusion its been slowly progressive. MJ passed in 2009. When Prince is asked to comment he states he's too close to it. What did that mean? Not really sure but given how this played out it sounds like he knew he was on the same path. Not sure if you heard about Tavis Smiley's recent interviews (excuse the redundancy if you have), but he has been recalling Prince's reaction to MJ's death---and mentioning that Prince canceled his jazz fest rehearsals and locked himself in his room when MJ died. Prince asked Tavis to come out to Switzerland and he said that Prince talked for hours about everything that Mike did that he loved. Although, the media always painted them as 'rivals', I truly believe they both valued each other...and to be born the same year...I'm sure it made Prince re-assess mortality. I kind of equate his reaction to hearing that a former classmate has died. I don't necessarily think that Prince had any issues physically at that time---but just look at how Prince's death has impacted us in the Org? I'm sure the deaths of his peers used to hurt and depress him even MORE so. I believe that the death of Whitney in 2012 probably hurt P just as much. She loved him so much and there's some videos on YouTube of she and her daughter at his concert a few months before she passed and there's one video where she's hugging P on stage. Those three were/are often considered the 'triumvirate of music' and if someone would have told me ten years ago that they would all be dead within a 7 year span, I would have never believed them. Giants carry giant loads. They all died while trying to persevere for the public. MJ was prepping for a physically-impossible world tour, Whitney had a 'comeback' peformance scheduled for the night of her death, and P was trying to downplay feeling unwell for his Atlanta concerts. I miss them. I just think P knew the pressures of the industry and how people always want artists to rehash younger versions of themselves instead of allowing them to evolve with age. [Edited 8/6/16 1:58am] Yep they sacraficed a lot and that hurts the most. | |
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I always felt Prince aged beautifully and I even liked his fro I did not expect 1980s Prince forever. I think he reinvented himself very well because he did get it; he did know what people wanted. He adapted and his last tour no dancing required. It was courageous and intimate and appropriate for someone with physical boundaries. Prince always seemed so wise and knowing to the end. | |
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morningsong said: jumanji2016 said: But, remember, did a lot of manipulation to his body. His dermatologist used to illegally give him shots of Demerol. The bleaching creams, skin grafts, lupus, ALL of those cosmetic surgeries, the scalp burns, osteoarthritis, etc. MJ's body went through a lot of bizarre shit, so I can see why he used painkillers long-term. P didn't have all that shit going on---I do believe that he may have had arthritis in addition to his chronic hip pain though. So, I don't think it was out of the blue, but I don't think he was on Fentanyl for very long. I think doctors probably previously prescribed something that wasn't working for him anymore. We don't know what was going on with Prince physically wise. Ok he did not have a bunch of cosmetic surgeries. He still put his body through a lot. His image was important to him. The whole work 2x as hard to get half the credit, he worked hard and definitely wanted the credit, he pushed his body. Pain could have been coming from a lot of sources. Fentanyl is the last ditch effort after everything else has been tried and we still don't know where he got it that can't be completely ignored. [Edited 8/6/16 8:00am] Couldn't agree more. "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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morningsong said: jumanji2016 said: But, remember, did a lot of manipulation to his body. His dermatologist used to illegally give him shots of Demerol. The bleaching creams, skin grafts, lupus, ALL of those cosmetic surgeries, the scalp burns, osteoarthritis, etc. MJ's body went through a lot of bizarre shit, so I can see why he used painkillers long-term. P didn't have all that shit going on---I do believe that he may have had arthritis in addition to his chronic hip pain though. So, I don't think it was out of the blue, but I don't think he was on Fentanyl for very long. I think doctors probably previously prescribed something that wasn't working for him anymore. We don't know what was going on with Prince physically wise. Ok he did not have a bunch of cosmetic surgeries. He still put his body through a lot. His image was important to him. The whole work 2x as hard to get half the credit, he worked hard and definitely wanted the credit, he pushed his body. Pain could have been coming from a lot of sources. Fentanyl is the last ditch effort after everything else has been tried and we still don't know where he got it that can't be completely ignored. [Edited 8/6/16 8:00am] Oh, no I definitely agree that P pushed his beyond limits---he was basically a gymnast for the majority of his life. I was just making the contrast that MJ did a lot of dangerous stuff to his body strategically and unnecessarily. P didn't. He was just a perfectionist and workaholic and that naturally took its toll. | |
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For me the change started when he went to the Afro hairstyle and the multi-layer clothing. Something was happening and he even reduced the amount of make-up. He simply did not look like himself. It is so very, very sad. | |
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morningsong said: jumanji2016 said: But, remember, did a lot of manipulation to his body. His dermatologist used to illegally give him shots of Demerol. The bleaching creams, skin grafts, lupus, ALL of those cosmetic surgeries, the scalp burns, osteoarthritis, etc. MJ's body went through a lot of bizarre shit, so I can see why he used painkillers long-term. P didn't have all that shit going on---I do believe that he may have had arthritis in addition to his chronic hip pain though. So, I don't think it was out of the blue, but I don't think he was on Fentanyl for very long. I think doctors probably previously prescribed something that wasn't working for him anymore. We don't know what was going on with Prince physically wise. Ok he did not have a bunch of cosmetic surgeries. He still put his body through a lot. His image was important to him. The whole work 2x as hard to get half the credit, he worked hard and definitely wanted the credit, he pushed his body. Pain could have been coming from a lot of sources. Fentanyl is the last ditch effort after everything else has been tried and we still don't know where he got it that can't be completely ignored. [Edited 8/6/16 8:00am] Something with the Fentanyl does not add up to me. I have wondered if someone else slipped it to him? On the plane Judith mentioned she never saw him take anything, he ate then had the blank stare...could this drug have been put in his food? On Apr 20 we don't know what he did ...maybe something similar happen then he was dropped off. | |
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When he was alive, there were many on this forum that truly seemed to hate him. Every thread posted would inevitably take a turn for the worse with certain people hijacking the thread with their negative comments. I couldn't help but think that must hurt when Prince read comments on here. I wish we knew more about what was going on at the time, but that was his penchant for secrecy. Someone in his circle must know, was it cancer, some other chronic illness, just plain addiction? I guess we may never know. "So fierce U look 2night, the brightest star pales 2 Ur sex..." | |
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PurpleDiamonds1 said: morningsong said: We don't know what was going on with Prince physically wise. Ok he did not have a bunch of cosmetic surgeries. He still put his body through a lot. His image was important to him. The whole work 2x as hard to get half the credit, he worked hard and definitely wanted the credit, he pushed his body. Pain could have been coming from a lot of sources. Fentanyl is the last ditch effort after everything else has been tried and we still don't know where he got it that can't be completely ignored. [Edited 8/6/16 8:00am] Something with the Fentanyl does not add up to me. I have wondered if someone else slipped it to him? On the plane Judith mentioned she never saw him take anything, he ate then had the blank stare...could this drug have been put in his food? On Apr 20 we don't know what he did ...maybe something similar happen then he was dropped off. Are you suggesting Kirk slipped it to him? It was only her, Kirk, Prince and the pilot on the plane. | |
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PurpleDiamonds1 said: morningsong said: We don't know what was going on with Prince physically wise. Ok he did not have a bunch of cosmetic surgeries. He still put his body through a lot. His image was important to him. The whole work 2x as hard to get half the credit, he worked hard and definitely wanted the credit, he pushed his body. Pain could have been coming from a lot of sources. Fentanyl is the last ditch effort after everything else has been tried and we still don't know where he got it that can't be completely ignored. [Edited 8/6/16 8:00am] Something with the Fentanyl does not add up to me. I have wondered if someone else slipped it to him? On the plane Judith mentioned she never saw him take anything, he ate then had the blank stare...could this drug have been put in his food? On Apr 20 we don't know what he did ...maybe something similar happen then he was dropped off. Doesn't it take some time before Fentanyl works? Usually it's about 20 minutes for my pain meds. I'm assuming that their relationship didn't extend to her following him into the bathroom, so taking a pill without her seeing it wouldn't be difficult at all. | |
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kenkamken said: When he was alive, there were many on this forum that truly seemed to hate him. Every thread posted would inevitably take a turn for the worse with certain people hijacking the thread with their negative comments. I couldn't help but think that must hurt when Prince read comments on here. I wish we knew more about what was going on at the time, but that was his penchant for secrecy. Someone in his circle must know, was it cancer, some other chronic illness, just plain addiction? I guess we may never know. I think people felt they could control him through those threads, they really went beyond expressing an opinion or constructive critizism, they really started going for jugular. It was crazy at times. Doesn't matter now anyway. | |
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morningsong said: PurpleDiamonds1 said: Something with the Fentanyl does not add up to me. I have wondered if someone else slipped it to him? On the plane Judith mentioned she never saw him take anything, he ate then had the blank stare...could this drug have been put in his food? On Apr 20 we don't know what he did ...maybe something similar happen then he was dropped off. Are you suggesting Kirk slipped it to him? It was only her, Kirk, Prince and the pilot on the plane. Actually, his two chefs also traveled with him. Love is God,
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avajane said: morningsong said: Are you suggesting Kirk slipped it to him? It was only her, Kirk, Prince and the pilot on the plane. Actually, his two chefs also traveled with him. In all this time I haven't read that anywhere once. Care to share your sources? | |
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Bunsterdk said: Not trying to divert this into a picture thread, but it's driving me crazy that I can't find the picture where he's looking up so very, very sad. I think he could be sitting at his piano. And this thread seems appropriate for that picture. Does anyone have it? Was it a picture from the Piano and a Microphone tour and Prince is looking up and there's green lighting? If it isn't, do you have any idea what year the picture you're looking for was taken? Love is God,
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avajane said: Bunsterdk said: Not trying to divert this into a picture thread, but it's driving me crazy that I can't find the picture where he's looking up so very, very sad. I think he could be sitting at his piano. And this thread seems appropriate for that picture. Does anyone have it? Was it a picture from the Piano and a Microphone tour and Prince is looking up and there's green lighting? If it isn't, do you have any idea what year the picture you're looking for was taken? I can't remember the lighting, but it definitely looks like something from the P and M tour. He is looking up with eyes that are beyond sad. | |
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Bunsterdk said: avajane said: Was it a picture from the Piano and a Microphone tour and Prince is looking up and there's green lighting? If it isn't, do you have any idea what year the picture you're looking for was taken? I can't remember the lighting, but it definitely looks like something from the P and M tour. He is looking up with eyes that are beyond sad. Is it this one? This was taken on his last concert in Atlanta.  Love is God,
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morningsong said: avajane said: Actually, his two chefs also traveled with him. In all this time I haven't read that anywhere once. Care to share your sources? Here's a screenshot from an interview they gave to Fox 9 and both chefs are wearing their P&M tour passes which makes me believe they traveled with him. 
Here'a link to the interview https://m.facebook.com/st...3279138%2F [Edited 8/6/16 11:41am] [Edited 8/6/16 11:42am] Love is God,
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It was reported after his death that he attended service at the Kingdom Hall only a few weeks before he passed. They even had a service for him and if he was not in good standing with JWs they would have never held a service for him. | |
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morningsong said: PurpleDiamonds1 said: Something with the Fentanyl does not add up to me. I have wondered if someone else slipped it to him? On the plane Judith mentioned she never saw him take anything, he ate then had the blank stare...could this drug have been put in his food? On Apr 20 we don't know what he did ...maybe something similar happen then he was dropped off. Are you suggesting Kirk slipped it to him? It was only her, Kirk, Prince and the pilot on the plane. I wish I knew who...would not want to speculate or accuse anyone sad to think it could be someone he trusted. this has been bothering me for some time. I have even wondered if someone from WB or Sony could be involved in a out of the picture way. | |
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avajane said: Bunsterdk said: I can't remember the lighting, but it definitely looks like something from the P and M tour. He is looking up with eyes that are beyond sad. Is it this one? This was taken on his last concert in Atlanta. Such a haunting picture, I've seen it before. It's as though he's looking at something "unseen" by the naked eye. ~Save me Jesus I've been a fool. How could I forget that you are the rule? You are my God, I am your child. From now on, for you I shall be wild, I shall be quick I shall be strong, I'll tell Your story, no matter how long~ | |
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