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Reply #90 posted 07/20/16 6:24pm

Vashtix

The piano and microphone opened up the pandora's box for me as far as Prince and Vanity are concerned. He was way too distraught over an old girlfriend.

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Reply #91 posted 07/20/16 7:09pm

GeniusLuv

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Vashtix said:

The piano and microphone opened up the pandora's box for me as far as Prince and Vanity are concerned. He was way too distraught over an old girlfriend.

Thats been my feeling all along nod

''The beautiful ones they hurt you every tiiiiime....''

yes RIP BEAUTIFUL ONES: Prince & Denise 2016
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Reply #92 posted 07/20/16 8:00pm

206Michelle

GeniusLuv said:

206Michelle said:

I was born in 1986, so the Prince-Vanity relationship occurred before my time. I'm not trying to be judgemental, but I do find it a bit odd that some people think Vanity was his true love, even though he was married twice. Could anyone provide links to other threads on this site, interviews, videos, or other sources that describe their relationship? There's plenty on Prince and Mayte's relationship, but it's harder to find stuff on Prince and Vanity.

There are major threads about them..long ones..start with the Associated Artists section...they may still be around..he talked about her the day she died, he was so very emotional and truly destraught about her passing..he said ''we loved each other deeply....'' it effected him greatly..he died 2 months later as well sad

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Thanks!

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Reply #93 posted 07/20/16 8:12pm

PaisleyPrint

GeniusLuv said:

PaisleyPrint said:

And let's not forget that moving tribute D'Angelo did on Prince's behalf, singing "Sometimes It Snows In April" on YouTube. When he sang the line, "I often dream of heaven and I know that Prince is there" (substituting Prince's name for Tracey's in the original song) he was "paying tribute" something people in the entertainment busineness have always done and will continue to do to their fellow musicians, protegees, colleagues and what not. As far as Prince donating money to Vanity's cause when she was sick, P being the type of person he was would have put all the money she needed into her go fund me account anonymously, cause that's how he was. But P didn't know she was as sick as she was this last time because she and P had not spoken to each other in years. Did he love her? "Yes!" Was his love for her somehow different than any other woman who had been in his life? I would say an emphatic "No!"

But how do you know this????

GeniusLuv, with all due respect to you (and others who feel the same as you) I was born in the late 60's and have paid attention to P and his career/relationships since around 1980 (I turned 13 that summer) What P and Vanity had back then was a passionate, tumultuous "affair". They were both wild and P was dating multiple women at the same time as Vanity (don't know what gave her the idea she was his one and only). As far as the jealousy on P's part, he was jealous of pretty much everybody he dealt with. That Rolling Stone cover that they did together back in 1983 was a complete disappointment because it said nothing about their relationship as far as them being a couple. In fact there was only one paragraph about Vanity 6 and how P formed the group ect. I go, "What the hell were they on the cover posing like that for if they were not gonna talk about being a couple"? Also, all the pics you see of them, like the one with them getting out of the limo, he's either frowning or looks "unhappy". I've never seen one with "him" smiling (with her). Fast forward to '83 and the movie PR. Vanity quits the movie and Prince. She tells People magazine that she needed one man to love her, P needed more. She co-wrote the movie and P wouldn't even pay her what she was worth (he wanted to give her a measly 5 grand). There was also talk that he wasn't being fair with her Vanity 6 royalties and what not.

So she leaves for a much better movie deal/contract with Motown. P never misses a beat. Continues on with his philandering, the PR movie and Vanity's replacement. Back then I never heard him say anything about her throughout the rest of the 80's, in mags, television, radio, nothing. I read on one of these threads that Vanity said P tried to get back with her when she was with this Nikki Six guy and ('87-'88 maybe) sent her flowers saying he wanted her back. What woman allows a man to come home to find flowers/note from another man and possibly get the hell beaten out of her about it. Knowing Vanity, she probobly sent them to herself to arouse his jealousy (cause she was a drama queen like that) Around '93 or '94 she has that drug overdose ordeal. In '95 proposes to a man she's only known 2 weeks, after telling him that "God" told her that he was her husband (Yet she claims Prince was the "only" man she ever loved, which means she never really loved Anthony). She said they fought as much as ten times a day and he was abusive (But "God" sent him though). I'mma be honest with you. I told a friend when P first died and we were discussing his life, that I always believed Vanity was just using P back in the 80's for a "come up". Lo and behold, yesterday I found this article from the Washington Post from June, 1997. The link doesn't work, but GOOGLE: june 1997 vanity former siren sings a new song. Click on the first article, it reads:

FORMER SIREN IS SINGING A NEW SONG-The Washington Post.

In the article she says, "All I wanted was wealth and glamour and my prayers were for those things-plus, if I was going to have sex with a man to get what I wanted, at least let it be a man that I liked". (Enters Prince)

She also states she began using cocaine at 25 cause she claimed the drug made her feel confident enough to stand up to Prince. I don't believe that lie for one minute. I believe she experimented before she ever met Prince. I tell ya, she was a "piece of work". I don't believe she ever really truly loved Prince either. She thought she was gonna be his "main sqeeze" back then and use being his woman to have an advantage over the other women and people in the Purple camp but it backfired on her. She was used to using her "beauty" and feminine wiles to get her way with men but with Prince, it backfired on her. Sure, she left him. But he NEVER gave up any of his other women to win her back. Nor did he even persue her. If he had wanted her to be his "one and only" he would have made the sacrifices. *Rolls eyes to top of head, and wipes brow* I don't know what else can be said...

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Reply #94 posted 07/20/16 8:48pm

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Vashtix said:

The piano and microphone opened up the pandora's box for me as far as Prince and Vanity are concerned. He was way too distraught over an old girlfriend.

Exactly nod sad

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Reply #95 posted 07/20/16 9:59pm

luvgirl

Vashtix said:



pnv said:


BillieBalloon said:
Prince loved vanity more than he loved his guitar Every song he ever wrote was about her They both loved looking for each other in random mirrors. Next question

Thank U.,...Prince said "There is no me without you" he really meant it!!!!!


. . . without you there is no me. . ."



When he sings Adore in the tribute to her I get chills . It is clear that whatever was btwn him and Denise/Vanity was alive and well and the loss he felt with her not on the planet with him was palpable. It brings tears to my eyes and him admitting The Beautiful Ones was about her too. It is special - a special gift he left confirming what she was for and to him.





Do u have a link to the tribute to Vanity? Can't find it sad
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Reply #96 posted 07/20/16 10:35pm

benni

PaisleyPrint said:

GeniusLuv said:

But how do you know this????

GeniusLuv, with all due respect to you (and others who feel the same as you) I was born in the late 60's and have paid attention to P and his career/relationships since around 1980 (I turned 13 that summer) What P and Vanity had back then was a passionate, tumultuous "affair". They were both wild and P was dating multiple women at the same time as Vanity (don't know what gave her the idea she was his one and only). As far as the jealousy on P's part, he was jealous of pretty much everybody he dealt with. That Rolling Stone cover that they did together back in 1983 was a complete disappointment because it said nothing about their relationship as far as them being a couple. In fact there was only one paragraph about Vanity 6 and how P formed the group ect. I go, "What the hell were they on the cover posing like that for if they were not gonna talk about being a couple"? Also, all the pics you see of them, like the one with them getting out of the limo, he's either frowning or looks "unhappy". I've never seen one with "him" smiling (with her). Fast forward to '83 and the movie PR. Vanity quits the movie and Prince. She tells People magazine that she needed one man to love her, P needed more. She co-wrote the movie and P wouldn't even pay her what she was worth (he wanted to give her a measly 5 grand). There was also talk that he wasn't being fair with her Vanity 6 royalties and what not.

So she leaves for a much better movie deal/contract with Motown. P never misses a beat. Continues on with his philandering, the PR movie and Vanity's replacement. Back then I never heard him say anything about her throughout the rest of the 80's, in mags, television, radio, nothing. I read on one of these threads that Vanity said P tried to get back with her when she was with this Nikki Six guy and ('87-'88 maybe) sent her flowers saying he wanted her back. What woman allows a man to come home to find flowers/note from another man and possibly get the hell beaten out of her about it. Knowing Vanity, she probobly sent them to herself to arouse his jealousy (cause she was a drama queen like that) Around '93 or '94 she has that drug overdose ordeal. In '95 proposes to a man she's only known 2 weeks, after telling him that "God" told her that he was her husband (Yet she claims Prince was the "only" man she ever loved, which means she never really loved Anthony). She said they fought as much as ten times a day and he was abusive (But "God" sent him though). I'mma be honest with you. I told a friend when P first died and we were discussing his life, that I always believed Vanity was just using P back in the 80's for a "come up". Lo and behold, yesterday I found this article from the Washington Post from June, 1997. The link doesn't work, but GOOGLE: june 1997 vanity former siren sings a new song. Click on the first article, it reads:

FORMER SIREN IS SINGING A NEW SONG-The Washington Post.

In the article she says, "All I wanted was wealth and glamour and my prayers were for those things-plus, if I was going to have sex with a man to get what I wanted, at least let it be a man that I liked". (Enters Prince)

She also states she began using cocaine at 25 cause she claimed the drug made her feel confident enough to stand up to Prince. I don't believe that lie for one minute. I believe she experimented before she ever met Prince. I tell ya, she was a "piece of work". I don't believe she ever really truly loved Prince either. She thought she was gonna be his "main sqeeze" back then and use being his woman to have an advantage over the other women and people in the Purple camp but it backfired on her. She was used to using her "beauty" and feminine wiles to get her way with men but with Prince, it backfired on her. Sure, she left him. But he NEVER gave up any of his other women to win her back. Nor did he even persue her. If he had wanted her to be his "one and only" he would have made the sacrifices. *Rolls eyes to top of head, and wipes brow* I don't know what else can be said...


You might as well give it up. They have it set in their minds that their opinion is the only the right opinion and any statements to the contrary are met with scorn and and "you can't know that", when the truth is staring them in the face, they can't know their opinion is right either. It doesn't matter that any one, who has shared an intimate relationship with someone would feel upset over that person's passing, because that was a period in their time and the passing reminded them of that period of time and they feel sadness at the end of that era and would dedicate time to remembering that person with fondness. I had an ex pass that I was deeply loved but we had not been together in a long time. The day I found out he passed, I cried, I played music he and I had listened to together, I talked about him to people I knew, remembering him, remembering that time. It in no way meant I was still in love with him, but I was acknowledging what he had meant to my life during that particular era and had even helped to shape who I became today because everyone we are in relationshiop with leaves an imprint on your life. I loved him for who he was then, and he loved me for who I was then, but I didn't know him now, and he didn't know me. We'd both grown and gone through so much since we were together that we were two completely different people. If I'd been a musician and just found out he'd passed, I would dedicate a show or two to him, to the memories we shared, would even mention that he and I used to love each other deeply, and would even consider him someone dear to me, and would have thought anyone that thought it meant I was still in love with him and pining away for him after all these years, as crazy. Prince didn't pine after any one, and that was evident in he way he continued to live his life. He didn't continue to write songs about her, because she was no longer in his life to hve an influence on him. But you won't convince this small group about it because they are Vanity fans before they are Prince fans, and therefore they are going to do everything they can o push the agenda that Prince lived his life (a full, passionate, and amazing life) doing nothing more than hiding away and pining over a woma who was a small part of his life at the beginning of his career.

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Reply #97 posted 07/21/16 8:04pm

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benni said:

PaisleyPrint said:

GeniusLuv, with all due respect to you (and others who feel the same as you) I was born in the late 60's and have paid attention to P and his career/relationships since around 1980 (I turned 13 that summer) What P and Vanity had back then was a passionate, tumultuous "affair". They were both wild and P was dating multiple women at the same time as Vanity (don't know what gave her the idea she was his one and only). As far as the jealousy on P's part, he was jealous of pretty much everybody he dealt with. That Rolling Stone cover that they did together back in 1983 was a complete disappointment because it said nothing about their relationship as far as them being a couple. In fact there was only one paragraph about Vanity 6 and how P formed the group ect. I go, "What the hell were they on the cover posing like that for if they were not gonna talk about being a couple"? Also, all the pics you see of them, like the one with them getting out of the limo, he's either frowning or looks "unhappy". I've never seen one with "him" smiling (with her). Fast forward to '83 and the movie PR. Vanity quits the movie and Prince. She tells People magazine that she needed one man to love her, P needed more. She co-wrote the movie and P wouldn't even pay her what she was worth (he wanted to give her a measly 5 grand). There was also talk that he wasn't being fair with her Vanity 6 royalties and what not.

So she leaves for a much better movie deal/contract with Motown. P never misses a beat. Continues on with his philandering, the PR movie and Vanity's replacement. Back then I never heard him say anything about her throughout the rest of the 80's, in mags, television, radio, nothing. I read on one of these threads that Vanity said P tried to get back with her when she was with this Nikki Six guy and ('87-'88 maybe) sent her flowers saying he wanted her back. What woman allows a man to come home to find flowers/note from another man and possibly get the hell beaten out of her about it. Knowing Vanity, she probobly sent them to herself to arouse his jealousy (cause she was a drama queen like that) Around '93 or '94 she has that drug overdose ordeal. In '95 proposes to a man she's only known 2 weeks, after telling him that "God" told her that he was her husband (Yet she claims Prince was the "only" man she ever loved, which means she never really loved Anthony). She said they fought as much as ten times a day and he was abusive (But "God" sent him though). I'mma be honest with you. I told a friend when P first died and we were discussing his life, that I always believed Vanity was just using P back in the 80's for a "come up". Lo and behold, yesterday I found this article from the Washington Post from June, 1997. The link doesn't work, but GOOGLE: june 1997 vanity former siren sings a new song. Click on the first article, it reads:

FORMER SIREN IS SINGING A NEW SONG-The Washington Post.

In the article she says, "All I wanted was wealth and glamour and my prayers were for those things-plus, if I was going to have sex with a man to get what I wanted, at least let it be a man that I liked". (Enters Prince)

She also states she began using cocaine at 25 cause she claimed the drug made her feel confident enough to stand up to Prince. I don't believe that lie for one minute. I believe she experimented before she ever met Prince. I tell ya, she was a "piece of work". I don't believe she ever really truly loved Prince either. She thought she was gonna be his "main sqeeze" back then and use being his woman to have an advantage over the other women and people in the Purple camp but it backfired on her. She was used to using her "beauty" and feminine wiles to get her way with men but with Prince, it backfired on her. Sure, she left him. But he NEVER gave up any of his other women to win her back. Nor did he even persue her. If he had wanted her to be his "one and only" he would have made the sacrifices. *Rolls eyes to top of head, and wipes brow* I don't know what else can be said...


You might as well give it up. They have it set in their minds that their opinion is the only the right opinion and any statements to the contrary are met with scorn and and "you can't know that", when the truth is staring them in the face, they can't know their opinion is right either. It doesn't matter that any one, who has shared an intimate relationship with someone would feel upset over that person's passing, because that was a period in their time and the passing reminded them of that period of time and they feel sadness at the end of that era and would dedicate time to remembering that person with fondness. I had an ex pass that I was deeply loved but we had not been together in a long time. The day I found out he passed, I cried, I played music he and I had listened to together, I talked about him to people I knew, remembering him, remembering that time. It in no way meant I was still in love with him, but I was acknowledging what he had meant to my life during that particular era and had even helped to shape who I became today because everyone we are in relationshiop with leaves an imprint on your life. I loved him for who he was then, and he loved me for who I was then, but I didn't know him now, and he didn't know me. We'd both grown and gone through so much since we were together that we were two completely different people. If I'd been a musician and just found out he'd passed, I would dedicate a show or two to him, to the memories we shared, would even mention that he and I used to love each other deeply, and would even consider him someone dear to me, and would have thought anyone that thought it meant I was still in love with him and pining away for him after all these years, as crazy. Prince didn't pine after any one, and that was evident in he way he continued to live his life. He didn't continue to write songs about her, because she was no longer in his life to hve an influence on him. But you won't convince this small group about it because they are Vanity fans before they are Prince fans, and therefore they are going to do everything they can o push the agenda that Prince lived his life (a full, passionate, and amazing life) doing nothing more than hiding away and pining over a woma who was a small part of his life at the beginning of his career.



I happen to agree with you benni and PaisleyPrint. You both make some very good and valid points and they are many of the same things that I have thought about in regards to the Vanity/Prince relationship. I don't think that Vanity was the whole package for Prince and as he grew older he may have realized this even more. As we get older, we tend to understand more of what we want and need in a relationship and so it would be natural to assume that perhaps Prince grew out of any longing for that particular relationship that was unhappy and unstable.

Sure, I believe he still had love for her, but I have seen no display by him in the last 30 years that would have said that he was pining for Vanity. The whole "Vanity was his soulmate" and "Vanity was the one" appears to be a permeated myth that is now promoted as factual. It's fine to dream and fantasize that they had some kind of amazing love if you like the pairing. But realistically, can anyone look at Vanity and Prince and say that they had a love beyond compare? I don't see that at all in these two and again, Prince surely did not show it in all these years. And please, no offense to anyone, it's just a matter of opinion.

And benni, thank you for sharing your story about your ex. I hope you are healing after this loss.

"And I know you're not just what you say to me
And I'm not the only moment you're made of..."
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Reply #98 posted 07/21/16 9:40pm

PaisleyPrint

benni said:

PaisleyPrint said:

GeniusLuv, with all due respect to you (and others who feel the same as you) I was born in the late 60's and have paid attention to P and his career/relationships since around 1980 (I turned 13 that summer) What P and Vanity had back then was a passionate, tumultuous "affair". They were both wild and P was dating multiple women at the same time as Vanity (don't know what gave her the idea she was his one and only). As far as the jealousy on P's part, he was jealous of pretty much everybody he dealt with. That Rolling Stone cover that they did together back in 1983 was a complete disappointment because it said nothing about their relationship as far as them being a couple. In fact there was only one paragraph about Vanity 6 and how P formed the group ect. I go, "What the hell were they on the cover posing like that for if they were not gonna talk about being a couple"? Also, all the pics you see of them, like the one with them getting out of the limo, he's either frowning or looks "unhappy". I've never seen one with "him" smiling (with her). Fast forward to '83 and the movie PR. Vanity quits the movie and Prince. She tells People magazine that she needed one man to love her, P needed more. She co-wrote the movie and P wouldn't even pay her what she was worth (he wanted to give her a measly 5 grand). There was also talk that he wasn't being fair with her Vanity 6 royalties and what not.

So she leaves for a much better movie deal/contract with Motown. P never misses a beat. Continues on with his philandering, the PR movie and Vanity's replacement. Back then I never heard him say anything about her throughout the rest of the 80's, in mags, television, radio, nothing. I read on one of these threads that Vanity said P tried to get back with her when she was with this Nikki Six guy and ('87-'88 maybe) sent her flowers saying he wanted her back. What woman allows a man to come home to find flowers/note from another man and possibly get the hell beaten out of her about it. Knowing Vanity, she probobly sent them to herself to arouse his jealousy (cause she was a drama queen like that) Around '93 or '94 she has that drug overdose ordeal. In '95 proposes to a man she's only known 2 weeks, after telling him that "God" told her that he was her husband (Yet she claims Prince was the "only" man she ever loved, which means she never really loved Anthony). She said they fought as much as ten times a day and he was abusive (But "God" sent him though). I'mma be honest with you. I told a friend when P first died and we were discussing his life, that I always believed Vanity was just using P back in the 80's for a "come up". Lo and behold, yesterday I found this article from the Washington Post from June, 1997. The link doesn't work, but GOOGLE: june 1997 vanity former siren sings a new song. Click on the first article, it reads:

FORMER SIREN IS SINGING A NEW SONG-The Washington Post.

In the article she says, "All I wanted was wealth and glamour and my prayers were for those things-plus, if I was going to have sex with a man to get what I wanted, at least let it be a man that I liked". (Enters Prince)

She also states she began using cocaine at 25 cause she claimed the drug made her feel confident enough to stand up to Prince. I don't believe that lie for one minute. I believe she experimented before she ever met Prince. I tell ya, she was a "piece of work". I don't believe she ever really truly loved Prince either. She thought she was gonna be his "main sqeeze" back then and use being his woman to have an advantage over the other women and people in the Purple camp but it backfired on her. She was used to using her "beauty" and feminine wiles to get her way with men but with Prince, it backfired on her. Sure, she left him. But he NEVER gave up any of his other women to win her back. Nor did he even persue her. If he had wanted her to be his "one and only" he would have made the sacrifices. *Rolls eyes to top of head, and wipes brow* I don't know what else can be said...


You might as well give it up. They have it set in their minds that their opinion is the only the right opinion and any statements to the contrary are met with scorn and and "you can't know that", when the truth is staring them in the face, they can't know their opinion is right either. It doesn't matter that any one, who has shared an intimate relationship with someone would feel upset over that person's passing, because that was a period in their time and the passing reminded them of that period of time and they feel sadness at the end of that era and would dedicate time to remembering that person with fondness. I had an ex pass that I was deeply loved but we had not been together in a long time. The day I found out he passed, I cried, I played music he and I had listened to together, I talked about him to people I knew, remembering him, remembering that time. It in no way meant I was still in love with him, but I was acknowledging what he had meant to my life during that particular era and had even helped to shape who I became today because everyone we are in relationshiop with leaves an imprint on your life. I loved him for who he was then, and he loved me for who I was then, but I didn't know him now, and he didn't know me. We'd both grown and gone through so much since we were together that we were two completely different people. If I'd been a musician and just found out he'd passed, I would dedicate a show or two to him, to the memories we shared, would even mention that he and I used to love each other deeply, and would even consider him someone dear to me, and would have thought anyone that thought it meant I was still in love with him and pining away for him after all these years, as crazy. Prince didn't pine after any one, and that was evident in he way he continued to live his life. He didn't continue to write songs about her, because she was no longer in his life to hve an influence on him. But you won't convince this small group about it because they are Vanity fans before they are Prince fans, and therefore they are going to do everything they can o push the agenda that Prince lived his life (a full, passionate, and amazing life) doing nothing more than hiding away and pining over a woma who was a small part of his life at the beginning of his career.

Let the church say, "Amen" bow But yeah, I'm done with it. I was supporting what GhostChick had said in one of her post. I just hope everyone reads and takes into consideration the things I said about her (Vanity) marrying her husband (Anthony Smith) and that Washington Post article (look it up) and read between the lines. It tells a lot about her as a person. I was asked how did I "know" Vanity was no more special than any other woman in his life. By his actions, that's how. We've all heard the phrase, "Actions speak louder than words". That's true. No matter what a persons says, pay attention to what they do. What I'm waiting on is for someone to tell me what P did on behalf of his relationship with Vanity before her death (prior to the tribute of course), Not what he said in any magazine article, tv appearance, radio interview. None of that!!! But what did he "Do" to let us know that she was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the "love of his life". Oh, and you can't for any reason use any of the other women who have been in his life (wives or girlfriends) in your example whistling.......

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Reply #99 posted 07/22/16 2:00am

pnv

PaisleyPrint said:



benni said:




PaisleyPrint said:




GeniusLuv, with all due respect to you (and others who feel the same as you) I was born in the late 60's and have paid attention to P and his career/relationships since around 1980 (I turned 13 that summer) What P and Vanity had back then was a passionate, tumultuous "affair". They were both wild and P was dating multiple women at the same time as Vanity (don't know what gave her the idea she was his one and only). As far as the jealousy on P's part, he was jealous of pretty much everybody he dealt with. That Rolling Stone cover that they did together back in 1983 was a complete disappointment because it said nothing about their relationship as far as them being a couple. In fact there was only one paragraph about Vanity 6 and how P formed the group ect. I go, "What the hell were they on the cover posing like that for if they were not gonna talk about being a couple"? Also, all the pics you see of them, like the one with them getting out of the limo, he's either frowning or looks "unhappy". I've never seen one with "him" smiling (with her). Fast forward to '83 and the movie PR. Vanity quits the movie and Prince. She tells People magazine that she needed one man to love her, P needed more. She co-wrote the movie and P wouldn't even pay her what she was worth (he wanted to give her a measly 5 grand). There was also talk that he wasn't being fair with her Vanity 6 royalties and what not.




So she leaves for a much better movie deal/contract with Motown. P never misses a beat. Continues on with his philandering, the PR movie and Vanity's replacement. Back then I never heard him say anything about her throughout the rest of the 80's, in mags, television, radio, nothing. I read on one of these threads that Vanity said P tried to get back with her when she was with this Nikki Six guy and ('87-'88 maybe) sent her flowers saying he wanted her back. What woman allows a man to come home to find flowers/note from another man and possibly get the hell beaten out of her about it. Knowing Vanity, she probobly sent them to herself to arouse his jealousy (cause she was a drama queen like that) Around '93 or '94 she has that drug overdose ordeal. In '95 proposes to a man she's only known 2 weeks, after telling him that "God" told her that he was her husband (Yet she claims Prince was the "only" man she ever loved, which means she never really loved Anthony). She said they fought as much as ten times a day and he was abusive (But "God" sent him though). I'mma be honest with you. I told a friend when P first died and we were discussing his life, that I always believed Vanity was just using P back in the 80's for a "come up". Lo and behold, yesterday I found this article from the Washington Post from June, 1997. The link doesn't work, but GOOGLE: june 1997 vanity former siren sings a new song. Click on the first article, it reads:



FORMER SIREN IS SINGING A NEW SONG-The Washington Post.



In the article she says, "All I wanted was wealth and glamour and my prayers were for those things-plus, if I was going to have sex with a man to get what I wanted, at least let it be a man that I liked". (Enters Prince)



She also states she began using cocaine at 25 cause she claimed the drug made her feel confident enough to stand up to Prince. I don't believe that lie for one minute. I believe she experimented before she ever met Prince. I tell ya, she was a "piece of work". I don't believe she ever really truly loved Prince either. She thought she was gonna be his "main sqeeze" back then and use being his woman to have an advantage over the other women and people in the Purple camp but it backfired on her. She was used to using her "beauty" and feminine wiles to get her way with men but with Prince, it backfired on her. Sure, she left him. But he NEVER gave up any of his other women to win her back. Nor did he even persue her. If he had wanted her to be his "one and only" he would have made the sacrifices. *Rolls eyes to top of head, and wipes brow* I don't know what else can be said...





You might as well give it up. They have it set in their minds that their opinion is the only the right opinion and any statements to the contrary are met with scorn and and "you can't know that", when the truth is staring them in the face, they can't know their opinion is right either. It doesn't matter that any one, who has shared an intimate relationship with someone would feel upset over that person's passing, because that was a period in their time and the passing reminded them of that period of time and they feel sadness at the end of that era and would dedicate time to remembering that person with fondness. I had an ex pass that I was deeply loved but we had not been together in a long time. The day I found out he passed, I cried, I played music he and I had listened to together, I talked about him to people I knew, remembering him, remembering that time. It in no way meant I was still in love with him, but I was acknowledging what he had meant to my life during that particular era and had even helped to shape who I became today because everyone we are in relationshiop with leaves an imprint on your life. I loved him for who he was then, and he loved me for who I was then, but I didn't know him now, and he didn't know me. We'd both grown and gone through so much since we were together that we were two completely different people. If I'd been a musician and just found out he'd passed, I would dedicate a show or two to him, to the memories we shared, would even mention that he and I used to love each other deeply, and would even consider him someone dear to me, and would have thought anyone that thought it meant I was still in love with him and pining away for him after all these years, as crazy. Prince didn't pine after any one, and that was evident in he way he continued to live his life. He didn't continue to write songs about her, because she was no longer in his life to hve an influence on him. But you won't convince this small group about it because they are Vanity fans before they are Prince fans, and therefore they are going to do everything they can o push the agenda that Prince lived his life (a full, passionate, and amazing life) doing nothing more than hiding away and pining over a woma who was a small part of his life at the beginning of his career.




Let the church say, "Amen" bow But yeah, I'm done with it. I was supporting what GhostChick had said in one of her post. I just hope everyone reads and takes into consideration the things I said about her (Vanity) marrying her husband (Anthony Smith) and that Washington Post article (look it up) and read between the lines. It tells a lot about her as a person. I was asked how did I "know" Vanity was no more special than any other woman in his life. By his actions, that's how. We've all heard the phrase, "Actions speak louder than words". That's true. No matter what a persons says, pay attention to what they do. What I'm waiting on is for someone to tell me what P did on behalf of his relationship with Vanity before her death (prior to the tribute of course), Not what he said in any magazine article, tv appearance, radio interview. None of that!!! But what did he "Do" to let us know that she was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the "love of his life". Oh, and you can't for any reason use any of the other women who have been in his life (wives or girlfriends) in your example whistling.....



LOVE OF HIS LIFE!!!! He never had what he had with Vanity with anyone else. Her love stayed in heart until the day he left.....
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Omgoodness. I seriously should consider becoming a troll!!! razz razz


I agree with you lol
You and me are like two ships passing
Never reaching shore
If we ever, ooh, if we ever did
We'd just want more
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Reply #101 posted 07/22/16 3:34am

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Also I have to say I liked reading Alan Light's book about the making of Purple Rain but was very annoyed that there was barely really anything about Denise in it. I was under the impression that she and Prince kinda came up with the story together and she inspired it. At least that is what I remember her saying in certain interviews like her Playboy interview.



Awww sad , that was the next book on my list to read. I'm disappointed now. I was hoping to find out a little more info on their relationship. I did read in other articles and interviews that she had a hand in helping Prince with the story. So, there was nothing at all about her?
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Reply #102 posted 07/22/16 6:43am

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benni said:


You might as well give it up. They have it set in their minds that their opinion is the only the right opinion and any statements to the contrary are met with scorn and and "you can't know that", when the truth is staring them in the face, they can't know their opinion is right either. It doesn't matter that any one, who has shared an intimate relationship with someone would feel upset over that person's passing, because that was a period in their time and the passing reminded them of that period of time and they feel sadness at the end of that era and would dedicate time to remembering that person with fondness. I had an ex pass that I was deeply loved but we had not been together in a long time. The day I found out he passed, I cried, I played music he and I had listened to together, I talked about him to people I knew, remembering him, remembering that time. It in no way meant I was still in love with him, but I was acknowledging what he had meant to my life during that particular era and had even helped to shape who I became today because everyone we are in relationshiop with leaves an imprint on your life. I loved him for who he was then, and he loved me for who I was then, but I didn't know him now, and he didn't know me. We'd both grown and gone through so much since we were together that we were two completely different people. If I'd been a musician and just found out he'd passed, I would dedicate a show or two to him, to the memories we shared, would even mention that he and I used to love each other deeply, and would even consider him someone dear to me, and would have thought anyone that thought it meant I was still in love with him and pining away for him after all these years, as crazy. Prince didn't pine after any one, and that was evident in he way he continued to live his life. He didn't continue to write songs about her, because she was no longer in his life to hve an influence on him. But you won't convince this small group about it because they are Vanity fans before they are Prince fans, and therefore they are going to do everything they can o push the agenda that Prince lived his life (a full, passionate, and amazing life) doing nothing more than hiding away and pining over a woma who was a small part of his life at the beginning of his career.

Let the church say, "Amen" bow But yeah, I'm done with it. I was supporting what GhostChick had said in one of her post. I just hope everyone reads and takes into consideration the things I said about her (Vanity) marrying her husband (Anthony Smith) and that Washington Post article (look it up) and read between the lines. It tells a lot about her as a person. I was asked how did I "know" Vanity was no more special than any other woman in his life. By his actions, that's how. We've all heard the phrase, "Actions speak louder than words". That's true. No matter what a persons says, pay attention to what they do. What I'm waiting on is for someone to tell me what P did on behalf of his relationship with Vanity before her death (prior to the tribute of course), Not what he said in any magazine article, tv appearance, radio interview. None of that!!! But what did he "Do" to let us know that she was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the "love of his life". Oh, and you can't for any reason use any of the other women who have been in his life (wives or girlfriends) in your example whistling.......

Okayy lets go by his actions, he treated ALL his women like shiiiit in the end..so if actions are all that matter, he was one f'ed up motherfucker then! His FIRST wife and the mother of his deceased son got dismissed like a piece of garbage bcuz he did not believe in contracts-----LOLOLOLOLOL lol ohhh pleeeeease and then cheated and ended up marrying his SECOND wife 2 minutes after dismissing the first...so i guess he never really loved anyone...poor Prince, thats really sad sad sad sad

''The beautiful ones they hurt you every tiiiiime....''

yes RIP BEAUTIFUL ONES: Prince & Denise 2016
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Reply #103 posted 07/22/16 9:30am

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GeniusLuv said:



PaisleyPrint said:




benni said:




You might as well give it up. They have it set in their minds that their opinion is the only the right opinion and any statements to the contrary are met with scorn and and "you can't know that", when the truth is staring them in the face, they can't know their opinion is right either. It doesn't matter that any one, who has shared an intimate relationship with someone would feel upset over that person's passing, because that was a period in their time and the passing reminded them of that period of time and they feel sadness at the end of that era and would dedicate time to remembering that person with fondness. I had an ex pass that I was deeply loved but we had not been together in a long time. The day I found out he passed, I cried, I played music he and I had listened to together, I talked about him to people I knew, remembering him, remembering that time. It in no way meant I was still in love with him, but I was acknowledging what he had meant to my life during that particular era and had even helped to shape who I became today because everyone we are in relationshiop with leaves an imprint on your life. I loved him for who he was then, and he loved me for who I was then, but I didn't know him now, and he didn't know me. We'd both grown and gone through so much since we were together that we were two completely different people. If I'd been a musician and just found out he'd passed, I would dedicate a show or two to him, to the memories we shared, would even mention that he and I used to love each other deeply, and would even consider him someone dear to me, and would have thought anyone that thought it meant I was still in love with him and pining away for him after all these years, as crazy. Prince didn't pine after any one, and that was evident in he way he continued to live his life. He didn't continue to write songs about her, because she was no longer in his life to hve an influence on him. But you won't convince this small group about it because they are Vanity fans before they are Prince fans, and therefore they are going to do everything they can o push the agenda that Prince lived his life (a full, passionate, and amazing life) doing nothing more than hiding away and pining over a woma who was a small part of his life at the beginning of his career.




Let the church say, "Amen" bow But yeah, I'm done with it. I was supporting what GhostChick had said in one of her post. I just hope everyone reads and takes into consideration the things I said about her (Vanity) marrying her husband (Anthony Smith) and that Washington Post article (look it up) and read between the lines. It tells a lot about her as a person. I was asked how did I "know" Vanity was no more special than any other woman in his life. By his actions, that's how. We've all heard the phrase, "Actions speak louder than words". That's true. No matter what a persons says, pay attention to what they do. What I'm waiting on is for someone to tell me what P did on behalf of his relationship with Vanity before her death (prior to the tribute of course), Not what he said in any magazine article, tv appearance, radio interview. None of that!!! But what did he "Do" to let us know that she was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the "love of his life". Oh, and you can't for any reason use any of the other women who have been in his life (wives or girlfriends) in your example whistling.....



Okayy lets go by his actions, he treated ALL his women like shiiiit in the end..so if actions are all that matter, he was one f'ed up motherfucker then! His FIRST wife and the mother of his deceased son got dismissed like a piece of garbage bcuz he did not believe in contracts-----LOLOLOLOLOL lol ohhh pleeeeease and then cheated and ended up marrying his SECOND wife 2 minutes after dismissing the first...so i guess he never really loved anyone...poor Prince, thats really sad sad sad sad




He deliberately echoed her life experiences from getting engaged to marrying to finding spirituality to changing his name ...,.just to name a few.....,his actions rang loud and clear. She Denise stated that they both needed to grow up in many different ways when asked if she liked to get back with him. I think Prince was maturing and learning and trying to reach that certain level.
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Reply #104 posted 07/22/16 9:34am

pnv

GeniusLuv said:



GhostChick said:




avajane said:


pnv said: [/b] Now that's taking it way too far. He got addicted in two months and then died? Don't think so. He was sufferibg from flu-like symptoms, symptoms associated with withdrawal so the best conclusion is that he was trying to wean off the medication cold turkey but his body couldn't handle it which led to his death. As far as the 75 pages of speculation, well it's mainly the same 3 or 4 people who were posting. Again, everyone has a right to believe whatever they want, but the line is crossed when people start romanticizing his death imo.


I couldn't had said it better myself.

They had an intense relationship but it was over. She moved on, to Jesus and she seemed very serious about that and her ministry.

He moved on too. He only dedicated the songs on 1 night after she died. That's it.



He didn't have to dedicate ANYTHING to her at all, it was over 35 yrs ago, he didn't have to dedicate most of the show to her, sing all those songs and put her name in them..tell stories of the 2 of them, cry the way he did and even have to walk off stage at times or say ''her and i loved each oither deeply'' he didn't have to do any of that-----but he did sad







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Thank u.....
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Reply #105 posted 07/22/16 9:39am

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No, music was his true love, it ALWAYS came first.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
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Reply #106 posted 07/22/16 10:20am

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No, music was his true love, it ALWAYS came first.




Indeed. As Prince sings, "I may b qualified 4 a one night stand, but I could never take the place of ur man." lol
"Just like the sun, the Rainbow Children rise."



"We had fun, didn't we?"
-Prince (1958-2016) 4ever in my life
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Reply #107 posted 07/22/16 10:20am

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GeniusLuv said:

Okayy lets go by his actions, he treated ALL his women like shiiiit in the end..so if actions are all that matter, he was one f'ed up motherfucker then! His FIRST wife and the mother of his deceased son got dismissed like a piece of garbage bcuz he did not believe in contracts-----LOLOLOLOLOL lol ohhh pleeeeease and then cheated and ended up marrying his SECOND wife 2 minutes after dismissing the first...so i guess he never really loved anyone...poor Prince, thats really sad sad sad sad

He deliberately echoed her life experiences from getting engaged to marrying to finding spirituality to changing his name ...,.just to name a few.....,his actions rang loud and clear. She Denise stated that they both needed to grow up in many different ways when asked if she liked to get back with him. I think Prince was maturing and learning and trying to reach that certain level.

u know i never thought about that b4..they did both change their names eek she denounced Vanity and he his birth name Prince..no one was even allowed to call him that just the same way no one could call her Vanity anymore faint

''The beautiful ones they hurt you every tiiiiime....''

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Reply #108 posted 07/22/16 1:37pm

Vashtix

No matter what I think Prince was very effected by her passing as noted in various articles which caused concern; Prince was clearly emotional in the tributes to her; he died weeks behind her. Those things cannot be said of anyone else in his life. He is gone
but their story (Purple Rain) will be a testament to what they were and had in each other.
The fact that there is such a passion to silence what I stated above and for some to rewrite history shows just how special and unique they were- the mere mention causes all kinds of reactions.
Prince and Vanity will go down in history as a one of a kind force; That Rolling Stone cover a rock n roll masterpiece for ages to come and it shows it all. The Beautiful Ones in all of their beautifulness and white hot sexy!
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Reply #109 posted 07/22/16 1:54pm

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I dont think Vanity was his true love. I think he liked her and maybe loved her but not in the "meant to be together" kind of love. I think we wanted that for himself and Mayte and then that shit fell apart. I think Mani was a rebound of sorts and that shit fell a part too - with her cheating with Eric and all that jaz. But I remember Shelia, Sussanah and other lady friends said he wouldnt be monogamous so they ended it.

Its hard to find real love much less an idolized true love.

Live4Love and Love4OneAnother.. It's the only way.
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Reply #110 posted 07/22/16 1:55pm

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They look amazing together! Well, I am just imagining here but....Probably they were twin flames or shared past lives. Definitely transformed each other - magical love, sex, deep pain and divisiveness too. They needed each other to evolve to next level on their soul path. Even though I don't think Mayte visually matches to Prince as well, she seemed sweet but "dull" comparitively, however, I think perhaps she may have had more of what his disposition needed? Vanity was larger than life, an icon. Imagine, if she never fell so deep into drugs and healed her childhood wounds to the point that she could develop her craft as singer and actress? Would have been amazing! I think it was that self-destructiveness that tore them apart at the end. Vanity may have been more of a visual match, but Mayte may have been more of an emotional match. Just having fun imagining.... lol

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Reply #111 posted 07/22/16 3:26pm

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They look amazing together! Well, I am just imagining here but....Probably they were twin flames or shared past lives. Definitely transformed each other - magical love, sex, deep pain and divisiveness too. They needed each other to evolve to next level on their soul path. Even though I don't think Mayte visually matches to Prince as well, she seemed sweet but "dull" comparitively, however, I think perhaps she may have had more of what his disposition needed? Vanity was larger than life, an icon. Imagine, if she never fell so deep into drugs and healed her childhood wounds to the point that she could develop her craft as singer and actress? Would have been amazing! I think it was that self-destructiveness that tore them apart at the end. Vanity may have been more of a visual match, but Mayte may have been more of an emotional match. Just having

fun imagining.... lol

I AGREE!!!! Look at them..lol..they were both icons, and not of this world bow bow

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And as much as i love Mayte..she is so sweet and adorable, Prince would have got bored and yes, he cheated..he always cheated, And i also feel once things didn't work out with the baby..sadly, he discarded her like she was nothing and he was on to the next one anyway and had no need to look back..i honestly feel it was the baby and a promise of family life that started the whoole thing and kept him there for 3 years..once it was obvious that wasn't going to happen---he was outta there!

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[Edited 7/22/16 15:28pm]

''The beautiful ones they hurt you every tiiiiime....''

yes RIP BEAUTIFUL ONES: Prince & Denise 2016
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Reply #112 posted 07/22/16 4:32pm

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GeniusLuv said:



hezekinap said:


They look amazing together! Well, I am just imagining here but....Probably they were twin flames or shared past lives. Definitely transformed each other - magical love, sex, deep pain and divisiveness too. They needed each other to evolve to next level on their soul path. Even though I don't think Mayte visually matches to Prince as well, she seemed sweet but "dull" comparitively, however, I think perhaps she may have had more of what his disposition needed? Vanity was larger than life, an icon. Imagine, if she never fell so deep into drugs and healed her childhood wounds to the point that she could develop her craft as singer and actress? Would have been amazing! I think it was that self-destructiveness that tore them apart at the end. Vanity may have been more of a visual match, but Mayte may have been more of an emotional match. Just having


fun imagining.... lol






I AGREE!!!! Look at them..lol..they were both icons, and not of this world bow bow






.


And as much as i love Mayte..she is so sweet and adorable, Prince would have got bored and yes, he cheated..he always cheated, And i also feel once things didn't work out with the baby..sadly, he discarded her like she was nothing and he was on to the next one anyway and had no need to look back..i honestly feel it was the baby and a promise of family life that started the whoole thing and kept him there for 3 years..once it was obvious that wasn't going to happen---he was outta there!









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We are so fortunate to have lived
On earth the same time as them; years from now people will. Be in awe of their ingenuity, their lovestory , the way they died so close together and how sick he bacame after she died.
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GeniusLuv said:

I AGREE!!!! Look at them..lol..they were both icons, and not of this world bow bow

.

And as much as i love Mayte..she is so sweet and adorable, Prince would have got bored and yes, he cheated..he always cheated, And i also feel once things didn't work out with the baby..sadly, he discarded her like she was nothing and he was on to the next one anyway and had no need to look back..i honestly feel it was the baby and a promise of family life that started the whoole thing and kept him there for 3 years..once it was obvious that wasn't going to happen---he was outta there!

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We are so fortunate to have lived On earth the same time as them; years from now people will. Be in awe of their ingenuity, their lovestory , the way they died so close together and how sick he bacame after she died. [Edited 7/22/16 16:50pm]

So much beauty....

''The beautiful ones they hurt you every tiiiiime....''

yes RIP BEAUTIFUL ONES: Prince & Denise 2016
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Reply #114 posted 07/22/16 6:07pm

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VAAAAANIIIIITYYYYY!!!!!




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heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #115 posted 07/22/16 9:17pm

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I've brought this up before and I'm doin' it again. I'm waiting for somebody to confirm if Vanity was pregnant with his child but aborted it. On Late Night with Joan Rivers Vanity said she was in the mall or some public place and two women walked by her and said about her "I know why Vanity walked away from Purple Rain, because she's having his baby" Where did that rumor come from?

I think she walked away from more than little money and Prince having other women.

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I've brought this up before and I'm doin' it again. I'm waiting for somebody to confirm if Vanity was pregnant with his child but aborted it. On Late Night with Joan Rivers Vanity said she was in the mall or some public place and two women walked by her and said about her "I know why Vanity walked away from Purple Rain, because she's having his baby" Where did that rumor come from?

I think she walked away from more than little money and Prince having other women.

Yeah that was Interesting!!!!! I just watched it today...i caught that too about the women saying she was pregnant and she was standing right there eek

''The beautiful ones they hurt you every tiiiiime....''

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Reply #117 posted 07/23/16 2:44am

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GeniusLuv said:

TurnItUp said:

I've brought this up before and I'm doin' it again. I'm waiting for somebody to confirm if Vanity was pregnant with his child but aborted it. On Late Night with Joan Rivers Vanity said she was in the mall or some public place and two women walked by her and said about her "I know why Vanity walked away from Purple Rain, because she's having his baby" Where did that rumor come from?

I think she walked away from more than little money and Prince having other women.

Yeah that was Interesting!!!!! I just watched it today...i caught that too about the women saying she was pregnant and she was standing right there eek

For some reason I do not think Vanity was pregnant . I think she left because she was in love found herself in him and he wanted nothing of an exclusive commitment because he was just becoming the Superstar- he was a star but the international super star ws happening and fast. He wanted freedom and he had it. She must have known he was not the one woman kind of man.

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pnv said:

GeniusLuv said:

He didn't have to dedicate ANYTHING to her at all, it was over 35 yrs ago, he didn't have to dedicate most of the show to her, sing all those songs and put her name in them..tell stories of the 2 of them, cry the way he did and even have to walk off stage at times or say ''her and i loved each oither deeply'' he didn't have to do any of that--------------but he did sad

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Thank u.....

I'm sure he did love her deeply; right along with all the other women he loved just as deeply, and the deep love he had for playing the game, and getting the girl to fall into bed with him. Vanity wasn't his 'soul mate' at all, romantic as that notion might be. She was a woman he used to date, who he probably cared about as a human being. Of COURSE he was upset by her death! This wasn't some random stranger he'd never met, she was an old friend/former lover. But let's not over romanticize this. Surely, in the 35 years since they broke up, something would have happened if they were ACTUALLY 'soul mates'.

I imagine myself inside your bedroom; oh, I imagine myself in your sky.
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Reply #119 posted 07/23/16 6:40am

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Just the idea that Prince pined away for Vanity for 35 years is depressing. It's not romantic. It's not something to swoon about. It's depressing and sad and pathetic. There is no way that I would want any of my exes to pine away after me, or think of me as the one that got away, or be in love with me for 35 years but ignore that love. If they are in love with me, then be with me. But if you aren't with me, get on with your life, move forward, fall in love again, and be happy. And if you do pine away for 35 years, it doesn't speak well of you as a person. It says you are an obssessive individual who can't let go. And I don't see Prince in that light. And I don't see Vanity in that way either. Prince and Vanity, coming from their backgrounds, were very much able to let go and move forward. Being abandoned, being abused in any way, it definitely teaches you how to let go and walk away without a glance back.

And what's even sadder is imagining Prince spending the last 35 years of his life pining away for someone he wasn't with, being miserable and unhappy, missing her, loving her but never being able to be with her. That isn't romantic. It's beyond depressing imagining that because that would mean Prince had never truly been happy and whole in these 35 years and spent his life being miserable without the "love of his life". And if someone wants to imagine Prince (or Vanity) being miserable for the last 35 years, being lonely, pining away for the other one, it seems that they take pleasure in someone else's misery, especially if they romanticize it. Think about it - you are imagining a man and a woman constantly missing the other, pining away, feeling lonely and sad without their "other half", spending those 35 years loving only one person they can't be with - how is that romantic? It would be a miserable existence. Is that truly what you want for Prince or Vanity?

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