moved to different thread

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sunset3121 said:

So what was the trip to the hospital the previous day about (I can't see the need to attend hospital for a blood test, surely they would just get a nurse in to take blood, so what was it for) and what were the non-opiod prescriptions he needed from Walgreens? I don't need answers to these questions as it was his private business. It does make me question the assumption that this was simply an addiction out of control.

this exactly. whatever he picked up at wlagreens will put the puzzle together, in terms of other causes,triggers.

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re Lenny's comments: from moment one i felt like he was detoxing on his own and that destabilized his whole system. that makes u far more vulnerable to other things including oding, organ failure and siezures. from JH's description he had one of those on the plane. when they asked what might have triggered it they found out about the opiate use/weaning himself off etc.

___

so sad, so unecessary.

LBrent said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

sorry this has probably been answered somewhere, but could the fenantyl in whatever form have been left over from a prescription filled perhaps years ago for surgery, etc, and it was just something that P came across or remembered in a drawer or something and being unaware of its relative strength, just took to get through the night?

Definitely. Patients headed to rehab often do exactly that. Stumble something that will get them through until they leave for rehab. Remember that intervention TV show? Remember how once they agree to go to rehab it's like, "Ok. The car to take you to rehab is outside. Let's go." No time to do anything harmful. Period. [Edited 7/22/16 21:31pm]

interesting, thanks

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LuxLove said:

morningsong said:

vandeluca said:

Epilepsy is such a tricky condition they don't fully understand. It is one of those things...It can ALWAYS come back decades later. They tell you you are cured..but I don't think it ever really is. I never tust it.

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There are seizures triggers such as lack of sleep, stress, drugs, alchohol that can make one more prone to a seizure (if you have epilspsy). Most important, people think seizures are just shaking...they are not. They can be eye fixation, eye deviation, lip smacking, etc. All kinds of odd behaviors like one is in a zone. And they can last a long time...

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I always wondered from the get go if his past epielpsy had something to do in all of this..I have never seen a person having an overdose, but I have seen people having seizures just like Judith described. I don't know though why Narcan would be invovled for a seiuzre...

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As far as being conscious or unconcious while getting off a plane--seizures take a ton of energy out of the body. Afterwards, the person is seemingly 'unconscious' and once that wears off, (they sleep it off) which can take a few hours, they can appear normal again....

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Personally, I would not be surprised if his death was related to both the opoid and somehow seizure issue intertwined. Seizure death doesn't usually make it in the autopsy report..

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

thanks for adding this. i wonder what other conditions have this reaction. i recall one interview about an angel healing prince's childhood epilepsy, i wonder if it had ever returned.

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thank you for posting this. my nephew has generalized gran mal seizure disorder that are medication controlled, I have nocturnal disorder and a tic that is all exasperated with lack of sleep (I am an insomniac)diet and stress. I can predict my nephew's upcoming seizures and I'm telling you not all of the seizures caused vocalization, tonic clonic convulsions, or spitting. He has had partial focal seizures where he just goes "blank"....falling asleep in whatever position he is in at that time. I thought at first it could've been narcalepsy, but with his feet flexing indicated otherwise.

You can also suffer from seizures if you're getting off medication or alcohol, commonly called detox tremors.

I have noticed that on some interviews, it appears that he has a chronic facial tic. I was thinking that was the reason why he started wearing sunglasses later in his career when being interviewed or out in public.

Everyone is at risk for seizures, it is actually quite common but for it to develop into a regular occurance is not so common. If there is seizure activity (regardless of when or how often it happened) I will side that you will be predisposed to seizure disorders.

All this is one of the many reasons I can't and would never judge Prince, and why I think some people need to employ a bit more compassion and also educate themselves about addiction/dependency in general and how it can happen to ANYONE.

StephanieThePisces said:

CROWNS1 said:

NO ONE wants to be addicted. No One.

Just wanted to echo this.

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Addiction, or dependency, or whatever term is 'correct', can be a snowball that starts out very small but over time, gets bigger and harder to stop from rolling right over the top of you.

-

I've had chronic pain for over 20 years. I never took anything for it because I am so supersensitive to side effects and generally speaking, drugs scare me. I went through two major abdominal surgeries and never took painkillers in the hospital (except what they put into my IV and I had little say in that at first) but when they stopped the IV meds I didn't take anythng by mouth. That was just my choice and I'm not critisizing or judging anybody who DOES take pain meds, btw - it's just I didn't feel comfortable taking them, so I found other way to try to cope with the pain.

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However, I also for the past few years have struggled with very severe anxiety that has greatly affected my life and causes me a lot of physical symptoms. I've resisted antidepressants (many many years ago I did try them a couple times and either I felt like such a zombie or they made me so sick I gave up them) but in these last few years, during some ER visits they gave me ativan and it did help calm me and I felt better. At first I didn't take it regularly.

-

Fast forward to now: the anxiety progressed and worsened to such a degree that I finally started taking ativan regularly as prescribed by my psych doctor. But as is the case, ativan stops being effective after awhile and you have to take higher and higher doses - WHICH I DO NOT WANT TO DO, and haven't ever wanted to do. These drugs scare me. But I also hate being non functional due to my anxiety on top of my chronic physical issues, so I continued taking the ativan. Two years ago I asked my psych doctor to get me off of this drug but he said no and only upped the dose. He's done that two more times since although I have never taken the full daily dosage he''s now prescribing and I'm trying to find a new p-doc but gosh the wait times are loooooong so it's hard.

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My point is, I'm 48. All my life I've never smoked, drank/never been drunk, or done drugs (I refuse aspirin even. I just don't like drugs unless I MUST MUST take them and then I take them only begrudingly and in fear of side effects), I've tried always to eat healthy and do all i could to BE healthy. yet the times I took the ativan in the ER helped so much that i slowly started taking it regularly at the behest of my doctors who freely wrote, and continue to write, the Rx for it....now it doesn't work at the dosage I take it, but i'm stuck taking it until I can wean off of it because the withdrawals from benzos terrify me, especially the possibility of seizures. But few doctors seem to care enough to LISTEN TO ME when I tell them I want OFF this med - they just tell me to keep taking it and 'we'll discuss it again at your next appointment'. I feel I am 'addicted' to the ativan right now because I can't just stop it cold turkey at thsi point, and how I fell into taking it was a slow process and was borne of the desperation to just feel better and stop some of the awful physical symptoms of anxiety. But I regret taking it now and wish Id never started.

-

I feel like the path Prince traveled regarding painkillers is similar to my experience with ativan. I don't believe he ever wanted to reach the point he did, and I believe he wanted to stop taking those drugs but you find yourself in a hole very hard to climb out of, especially if you don't have the support system you need and you don't have people around you you can trust.

-

All this is one of the many reasons I can't and would never judge Prince, and why I think some people need to employ a bit more compassion and also educate themselves about addiction/dependency in general and how it can happen to ANYONE.

thank you Stephanie for posting this, a lot of people think you get addicted or become dependant that you asked for it - it can happen with pain killers, it can happen with anti-depressants/anxiety meds (I am on) heck it can happen with sugary foods, it an happen with just about anything and to anybody.

RachB65 said:

MMJas said:

Wow. Had no idea. How depressing...

It surely is depressing..i just turned 50, look 40, but got a packet in the mail from AARP a few weeks ago to acquire a membership...i didnt know whether to laugh or cry.

Same here Rach, 50 now looks 38-40, feel 28-30....but I look like it this way.....I'll save a little bit of money (enough to pay for their damn membership!) and get awesome medical supply catalogs free!

Just for compassion's sake for P..any serious coffee drinkers out there?....try going without caffeine for a day or so....when you get that blinding awful headache, a litte nausea, maybe some jitters etc...those are withdrawal symptoms as a result of one's body being addicted to caffeine...ry going without smoking for a couple of days and when the cravings hit...I quit smoking cold turkey after 40 years or so, been 6-7 years (lost count) without and it was one of the hardest things I've ever done even over giving up the booze (very long time now)and other "stuff". I was addicted to nicotine. As someone points out we can become addicted to anything...hard to be human so maybe we can be loving about it instead.

AA1slot said:

Just for compassion's sake for P..any serious coffee drinkers out there?....try going without caffeine for a day or so....when you get that blinding awful headache, a litte nausea, maybe some jitters etc...those are withdrawal symptoms as a result of one's body being addicted to caffeine...

Here I am!!!! With a cup of it in my hands right now So true that! I think if you have an addictive mind you'll fatally find something. I was just lucky it was coffee (and I don's smoke or drink also because I know I could not handle it).

I would never, never judge Prince if he was addicted to anything. But I would just like to know the whole story. The speculation is simply confusing and horrible (but there are people out there who seem to be addicted to gossip).

If someday the family could simply explain what happened and how, it would ease my mind and make it easier for me to have some closure, but of course we're not entitled to anything. The little insight that Judith Hill gave actually helped me. I just wish people that claim that's not the whole story and that they know better would just speak the whole truth or shut the funk up.

Interestingly, it's been obvious lately that CJ was in love with Prince.

I've always suspected that! Her constant picking- on- him- additude towards him always gave her away. Sort of like how in kindegarden the boy that would tease you and pull your hair because he liked you.

Agree with you...that there is more to the story....I think those in the know may be closer to saying what it was though....was thinking that IF it were an illness...and a charity existed...would make a donation in P name...maybe a crazy thoguht but still on first cup of joe.

coffeebreak said:

AA1slot said:

Just for compassion's sake for P..any serious coffee drinkers out there?....try going without caffeine for a day or so....when you get that blinding awful headache, a litte nausea, maybe some jitters etc...those are withdrawal symptoms as a result of one's body being addicted to caffeine...

Here I am!!!! With a cup of it in my hands right now So true that! I think if you have an addictive mind you'll fatally find something. I was just lucky it was coffee (and I don's smoke or drink also because I know I could not handle it).

I would never, never judge Prince if he was addicted to anything. But I would just like to know the whole story. The speculation is simply confusing and horrible (but there are people out there who seem to be addicted to gossip).

If someday the family could simply explain what happened and how, it would ease my mind and make it easier for me to have some closure, but of course we're not entitled to anything. The little insight that Judith Hill gave actually helped me. I just wish people that claim that's not the whole story and that they know better would just speak the whole truth or shut the funk up.

Anyone know where the Tavis Smiley interview is where he says he knew P was using painkillers? I hadnt read/heard that before. Thanks

DISREGARD: I found it!

AA1slot said:

Anyone know where the Tavis Smiley interview is where he says he knew P was using painkillers? I hadnt read/heard that before. Thanks

AA1slot said:

Has anyone else seen this? It may be old news.......

http://kstp.com/news/prince-received-out-patient-treatment-bank-trustee-drills-princes-vault-open/4119830/

by Jay Kolls KSTP 5

"Multiple sources close to the death investigation of Prince told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS that the musician entered an out-patient treatment program.

Sources said Prince was seeing a doctor to help him deal with his chronic hip pain and that part of the out-patient treatment included efforts, by Prince, to move away from using medication prescribed to treat his severe pain. They did not say Prince’s treatment program automatically means he was addicted to controlled substances.

Sources said many people seek out-patient therapy to make sure they do not become addicted to prescribed painkillers and other types of medication and others will seek help when they think they might have symptoms indicating they are starting to become dependent on the drugs and are seeking counseling to help them slowly move away from the medications."

SpinsterSister said:

All this is one of the many reasons I can't and would never judge Prince, and why I think some people need to employ a bit more compassion and also educate themselves about addiction/dependency in general and how it can happen to ANYONE.

StephanieThePisces said:

Just wanted to echo this.

-

Addiction, or dependency, or whatever term is 'correct', can be a snowball that starts out very small but over time, gets bigger and harder to stop from rolling right over the top of you.

-

I've had chronic pain for over 20 years. I never took anything for it because I am so supersensitive to side effects and generally speaking, drugs scare me. I went through two major abdominal surgeries and never took painkillers in the hospital (except what they put into my IV and I had little say in that at first) but when they stopped the IV meds I didn't take anythng by mouth. That was just my choice and I'm not critisizing or judging anybody who DOES take pain meds, btw - it's just I didn't feel comfortable taking them, so I found other way to try to cope with the pain.

-

However, I also for the past few years have struggled with very severe anxiety that has greatly affected my life and causes me a lot of physical symptoms. I've resisted antidepressants (many many years ago I did try them a couple times and either I felt like such a zombie or they made me so sick I gave up them) but in these last few years, during some ER visits they gave me ativan and it did help calm me and I felt better. At first I didn't take it regularly.

-

Fast forward to now: the anxiety progressed and worsened to such a degree that I finally started taking ativan regularly as prescribed by my psych doctor. But as is the case, ativan stops being effective after awhile and you have to take higher and higher doses - WHICH I DO NOT WANT TO DO, and haven't ever wanted to do. These drugs scare me. But I also hate being non functional due to my anxiety on top of my chronic physical issues, so I continued taking the ativan. Two years ago I asked my psych doctor to get me off of this drug but he said no and only upped the dose. He's done that two more times since although I have never taken the full daily dosage he''s now prescribing and I'm trying to find a new p-doc but gosh the wait times are loooooong so it's hard.

-

My point is, I'm 48. All my life I've never smoked, drank/never been drunk, or done drugs (I refuse aspirin even. I just don't like drugs unless I MUST MUST take them and then I take them only begrudingly and in fear of side effects), I've tried always to eat healthy and do all i could to BE healthy. yet the times I took the ativan in the ER helped so much that i slowly started taking it regularly at the behest of my doctors who freely wrote, and continue to write, the Rx for it....now it doesn't work at the dosage I take it, but i'm stuck taking it until I can wean off of it because the withdrawals from benzos terrify me, especially the possibility of seizures. But few doctors seem to care enough to LISTEN TO ME when I tell them I want OFF this med - they just tell me to keep taking it and 'we'll discuss it again at your next appointment'. I feel I am 'addicted' to the ativan right now because I can't just stop it cold turkey at thsi point, and how I fell into taking it was a slow process and was borne of the desperation to just feel better and stop some of the awful physical symptoms of anxiety. But I regret taking it now and wish Id never started.

-

I feel like the path Prince traveled regarding painkillers is similar to my experience with ativan. I don't believe he ever wanted to reach the point he did, and I believe he wanted to stop taking those drugs but you find yourself in a hole very hard to climb out of, especially if you don't have the support system you need and you don't have people around you you can trust.

-

All this is one of the many reasons I can't and would never judge Prince, and why I think some people need to employ a bit more compassion and also educate themselves about addiction/dependency in general and how it can happen to ANYONE.

thank you Stephanie for posting this, a lot of people think you get addicted or become dependant that you asked for it - it can happen with pain killers, it can happen with anti-depressants/anxiety meds (I am on) heck it can happen with sugary foods, it an happen with just about anything and to anybody.

I've been taking Ativan, along with other prescribed meds for my mental health, for just over 3 years now. The dosage is low though. So I'm not sure if that matters when it concerns withdrawal. I went on a period of not taking the Ativan and I didn't have any withdrawals. Eventually I changed how much I would take at once (from 1 pill to 2) because taking just 1 is no longer effective. I've taken Klonopin before Ativan and didn't have any withdrawals on that, either. But, I have been addicted to a pain killer before. Hydrocodone but still, when I stopped cold turkey I didn't have any withdrawal symptoms. If I had any then I was unaware.

tigerlilyluv said:

SpinsterSister said:

All this is one of the many reasons I can't and would never judge Prince, and why I think some people need to employ a bit more compassion and also educate themselves about addiction/dependency in general and how it can happen to ANYONE.

thank you Stephanie for posting this, a lot of people think you get addicted or become dependant that you asked for it - it can happen with pain killers, it can happen with anti-depressants/anxiety meds (I am on) heck it can happen with sugary foods, it an happen with just about anything and to anybody.

I've been taking Ativan, along with other prescribed meds for my mental health, for just over 3 years now. The dosage is low though. So I'm not sure if that matters when it concerns withdrawal. I went on a period of not taking the Ativan and I didn't have any withdrawals. Eventually I changed how much I would take at once (from 1 pill to 2) because taking just 1 is no longer effective. I've taken Klonopin before Ativan and didn't have any withdrawals on that, either. But, I have been addicted to a pain killer before. Hydrocodone but still, when I stopped cold turkey I didn't have any withdrawal symptoms. If I had any then I was unaware.

I am using Effexor ER, Lorazepam, Trazodone and Bel Somra (?). I have to take the Effexor on time or if I am late by (starting 3 hours) I start going through withdrawls. Nausea, sweating, shaking, ringing in ears, muscle cramps, major g.i. cramps, mind starts racing with several wild thoughts at a time, extremely agitated working up to vomiting/runs, chills, endless shivering while burning up and it lasted 8 days (when I was using stardard Effexor) before it started letting up. That is the only med that works for me and I have resigned myself to staying on it because without it, I have no life and make others' lives miserable. It's that or I am better off not being here.

I am a chronic insomniac, I have to mix my lorazepam with alcohol or it simply does not work and my psych will not increase my dose (somewhat small). The Trazodone was suppose to help me sleep but it actually works with my Effexor so I don't have to ramp up as quickly. The Bel Somra is still in the works.

Just like another poster stated, every body works different.

No judgement on Prince for using whatever, whenever...whether it was for physical pain, emotional pain, mental fuziness or anything else. We all have crutches to get through life, sometimes those crutches becomes an albatross and can be something we have to wrestle with for the rest of our lives.

[Slander snip - luv4u]

zoso1978 said:

Has anyone else seen this? It may be old news.......

http://kstp.com/news/prince-received-out-patient-treatment-bank-trustee-drills-princes-vault-open/4119830/

by Jay Kolls KSTP 5

"Multiple sources close to the death investigation of Prince told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS that the musician entered an out-patient treatment program.

Sources said Prince was seeing a doctor to help him deal with his chronic hip pain and that part of the out-patient treatment included efforts, by Prince, to move away from using medication prescribed to treat his severe pain. They did not say Prince’s treatment program automatically means he was addicted to controlled substances.

Sources said many people seek out-patient therapy to make sure they do not become addicted to prescribed painkillers and other types of medication and others will seek help when they think they might have symptoms indicating they are starting to become dependent on the drugs and are seeking counseling to help them slowly move away from the medications."

I saw it and it's very meaningful ,however it's not the narrative that many here want.

Speaking from personal experience, i can promise you that it is 100% possible for him to have been on paid meds for many years and absolutley no one know. I am 41 and the lucky recipient of TEN combined spine / neck surgeries. I live in excrutiating pain every single minute of every day. I cannot imagine where i would be today without my pain management doctor and the meds that allow me to live a somewhat normal existense. If you met me, and you knew zero of my history, you would never know that i take pain medication each day. and i take some heavy shit, lol! I would even say a lot stronger than Prince was taking. Why? Simply because as others have mentioned, your body becomes tolerant to a particular dose, the pain comes through again and the dose must be increased. It scares the crap out of me, i will not lie. I wonder where will i be 10 years from now? How will they control my pain? Most likely with a pain pump. Most recently, for the first time in over 8 years, i had some of my medication stolen by one of my children's friends. It sent me into full blown withdrawels and I am telling you right now, I wanted to die. My mother literally held me as my body jerked non stop and I poured sweat and vomited. She said all I kept saying was God please let me go to sleep and not wake up, I do not want to live like this anymore. So......with that being said, I am telling you first hand that I KNOW where his mind was that night he took his final dose of medicine. He simply wanted the pain and the withdrawels to stop. If I could have gotten my hands on something, i do not know if I could have stopped myself. not because i am addicted but bc the pain is just too much to bear. I will NEVER go through that again. I've purchased a safe for my home and my meds are locked away. Needless to say his death haunts me. It's just now really hitting me and it is mainly bc i can relate to what he was living. I would not wish that battle on my worst enemy.

His death haunts me also. I had a fentanyl patch fall off once, went into horrible withdrawal, and I don't know what would have happened if my husband hadn't been there, put me in the car, and taken me to the pain doctor who helped me and kept me in his office for hours to monitor me. If only someone had been there to call the doctor.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

Speaking from personal experience, i can promise you that it is 100% possible for him to have been on paid meds for many years and absolutley no one know. I am 41 and the lucky recipient of TEN combined spine / neck surgeries. I live in excrutiating pain every single minute of every day. I cannot imagine where i would be today without my pain management doctor and the meds that allow me to live a somewhat normal existense. If you met me, and you knew zero of my history, you would never know that i take pain medication each day. and i take some heavy shit, lol! I would even say a lot stronger than Prince was taking. Why? Simply because as others have mentioned, your body becomes tolerant to a particular dose, the pain comes through again and the dose must be increased. It scares the crap out of me, i will not lie. I wonder where will i be 10 years from now? How will they control my pain? Most likely with a pain pump. Most recently, for the first time in over 8 years, i had some of my medication stolen by one of my children's friends. It sent me into full blown withdrawels and I am telling you right now, I wanted to die. My mother literally held me as my body jerked non stop and I poured sweat and vomited. She said all I kept saying was God please let me go to sleep and not wake up, I do not want to live like this anymore. So......with that being said, I am telling you first hand that I KNOW where his mind was that night he took his final dose of medicine. He simply wanted the pain and the withdrawels to stop. If I could have gotten my hands on something, i do not know if I could have stopped myself. not because i am addicted but bc the pain is just too much to bear. I will NEVER go through that again. I've purchased a safe for my home and my meds are locked away. Needless to say his death haunts me. It's just now really hitting me and it is mainly bc i can relate to what he was living. I would not wish that battle on my worst enemy.

Oh, I am so very sorry to hear that this happened to you ! I hope that at some point your doctors are able to come up with a solution to rid you of the pain you are in.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

Speaking from personal experience, i can promise you that it is 100% possible for him to have been on paid meds for many years and absolutley no one know. I am 41 and the lucky recipient of TEN combined spine / neck surgeries. I live in excrutiating pain every single minute of every day. I cannot imagine where i would be today without my pain management doctor and the meds that allow me to live a somewhat normal existense. If you met me, and you knew zero of my history, you would never know that i take pain medication each day. and i take some heavy shit, lol! I would even say a lot stronger than Prince was taking. Why? Simply because as others have mentioned, your body becomes tolerant to a particular dose, the pain comes through again and the dose must be increased. It scares the crap out of me, i will not lie. I wonder where will i be 10 years from now? How will they control my pain? Most likely with a pain pump. Most recently, for the first time in over 8 years, i had some of my medication stolen by one of my children's friends. It sent me into full blown withdrawels and I am telling you right now, I wanted to die. My mother literally held me as my body jerked non stop and I poured sweat and vomited. She said all I kept saying was God please let me go to sleep and not wake up, I do not want to live like this anymore. So......with that being said, I am telling you first hand that I KNOW where his mind was that night he took his final dose of medicine. He simply wanted the pain and the withdrawels to stop. If I could have gotten my hands on something, i do not know if I could have stopped myself. not because i am addicted but bc the pain is just too much to bear. I will NEVER go through that again. I've purchased a safe for my home and my meds are locked away. Needless to say his death haunts me. It's just now really hitting me and it is mainly bc i can relate to what he was living. I would not wish that battle on my worst enemy.

Thank you Mkilpatrick74 for your post.

Mumio said:

SpinsterSister said:

tigerlilyluv said:

I've been taking Ativan, along with other prescribed meds for my mental health, for just over 3 years now. The dosage is low though. So I'm not sure if that matters when it concerns withdrawal. I went on a period of not taking the Ativan and I didn't have any withdrawals. Eventually I changed how much I would take at once (from 1 pill to 2) because taking just 1 is no longer effective. I've taken Klonopin before Ativan and didn't have any withdrawals on that, either. But, I have been addicted to a pain killer before. Hydrocodone but still, when I stopped cold turkey I didn't have any withdrawal symptoms. If I had any then I was unaware.

I am using Effexor ER, Lorazepam, Trazodone and Bel Somra (?). I have to take the Effexor on time or if I am late by (starting 3 hours) I start going through withdrawls. Nausea, sweating, shaking, ringing in ears, muscle cramps, major g.i. cramps, mind starts racing with several wild thoughts at a time, extremely agitated working up to vomiting/runs, chills, endless shivering while burning up and it lasted 8 days (when I was using stardard Effexor) before it started letting up. That is the only med that works for me and I have resigned myself to staying on it because without it, I have no life and make others' lives miserable. It's that or I am better off not being here.

I am a chronic insomniac, I have to mix my lorazepam with alcohol or it simply does not work and my psych will not increase my dose (somewhat small). The Trazodone was suppose to help me sleep but it actually works with my Effexor so I don't have to ramp up as quickly. The Bel Somra is still in the works.

Just like another poster stated, every body works different.

No judgement on Prince for using whatever, whenever...whether it was for physical pain, emotional pain, mental fuziness or anything else. We all have crutches to get through life, sometimes those crutches becomes an albatross and can be something we have to wrestle with for the rest of our lives.

Trazodone is a miracle for sleep. My doc prescribed that when I was concerned about the short acting/addictive properties of Ambien. I take a half a tablet (25 mg) before I go to bed and am usually able to sleep through the night. And if I need a little extra help, I take a quarter of a 5 mg Ambien tablet. (Seriously - I cut them in quarters. A 30-pill prescription lasts me almost a year.)

I'd rather not take anything (of course), but one of my menopausal symptoms is tetchy sleep. So I use the longest-acting (ie., least addictive) thing available - and I'm super careful about how much I take. It's a balancing act, but I need to be able to work - and I can't do that if I'm sleep deprived.

terrig said:

She talks enough to get herself mentioned in the NYT but not enough to really say anything. This makes me queasy.

l i love Prince if i was with him then, I would still be by his side now

IsufferfromMPS said: