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Reply #990 posted 07/02/16 11:31pm

underthecheery
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i dont know, if this was mentioned. but I saw a video clip about this interview from inside edition and they mention in there, that judith hill said she was in love with prince, I read what she said about being on the plane, but I never read that.

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Reply #991 posted 07/03/16 6:31am

ACharmed1

TopazGirl said:


Ah, ok. Thank you for clarifying. Sometimes posts can be misread and I didn't want to misread what you said. No worries here either. smile hug

I know, things can get lost in translation in here. lol hug

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Reply #992 posted 07/03/16 8:20am

laytonian

Eileen said:

laytonian said:

It was arranged that Dr S would meet Dr K's son at PP on the morning of the 21st.


Would appreciate your source/link for that information. It doesn't match press conference or unsealed search warrant statements afaik (which may of course turn out to be incorrect as anything is possible).

Logic.

Dr Kornfield required certain medical tests be performed before treatment. P had a clinic visit on the 20th with Schulenberg. Schulenberg was delivering test results on the morning of the 21st and showed up just after Andrew Kornfield arrived.

It's ALSO become obvious that, SINCE NO OTHER DOCTOR SHOWED UP ON APRIL 21ST, Dr Schulenberg was actually going to administer the suboxone to P.

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Reply #993 posted 07/03/16 8:56am

Tresha68

underthecheerymoon said:

i dont know, if this was mentioned. but I saw a video clip about this interview from inside edition and they mention in there, that judith hill said she was in love with prince, I read what she said about being on the plane, but I never read that.

I'm sure she was. Weren't we all? I don't think it was reciprocal in the romantic sense. I think Ms. Hill is delusional, niave and star struck. My opinion of course.

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Reply #994 posted 07/03/16 3:54pm

Eileen

laytonian said:

Eileen said:

Would appreciate your source/link for that information. It doesn't match press conference or unsealed search warrant statements afaik (which may of course turn out to be incorrect as anything is possible).

Logic.

Dr Kornfield required certain medical tests be performed before treatment. P had a clinic visit on the 20th with Schulenberg. Schulenberg was delivering test results on the morning of the 21st and showed up just after Andrew Kornfield arrived.

It's ALSO become obvious that, SINCE NO OTHER DOCTOR SHOWED UP ON APRIL 21ST, Dr Schulenberg was actually going to administer the suboxone to P.


Okay, understand now it's your logic. However it does contradict the so far public statements.


Kornfeld's attorney said the assessment and potential treatment was to be done the morning of the 21st at the doctor's office, and that the doctor was still in the office waiting for Prince to show up for this assessment and potential treatment at the time of the death scene.


Also stated, that the very first contact with Kornfeld was later in the evening of the 20th (after Prince's doctor visit of the 20th), so your testing timeline does not seem to mesh there either.


I agree that Schulenberg showing up with test results when Prince was supposed to be away from Paisley at a clinic visit is still a question mark, unexplained. Although assistant Meron of course could have accepted any paperwork dropped off, but that's not a very satisfying explanation.


Anything is possible and public statements may turn out to be incorrect, accidentally or deliberately.

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Reply #995 posted 07/03/16 5:26pm

sunmoonanddsta
rs

Tresha68 said:

underthecheerymoon said:

i dont know, if this was mentioned. but I saw a video clip about this interview from inside edition and they mention in there, that judith hill said she was in love with prince, I read what she said about being on the plane, but I never read that.

I'm sure she was. Weren't we all? I don't think it was reciprocal in the romantic sense. I think Ms. Hill is delusional, niave and star struck. My opinion of course.

I wouldn't doubt that she was romantically in love with Prince, as I'm sure it was hard NOT to honestly. But why do you think she was "delusional, naive, and star struck"? They were friends since 2014, he helped record and produce her album, and she helped with his music as well. He said "I love you and I'll always be there for you" to her according to her NYT interview. So if they were very close friends, why would she be "delusional, naive, and star struck""?

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Reply #996 posted 07/03/16 6:53pm

Tresha68

sunmoonanddstars said:



Tresha68 said:




underthecheerymoon said:


i dont know, if this was mentioned. but I saw a video clip about this interview from inside edition and they mention in there, that judith hill said she was in love with prince, I read what she said about being on the plane, but I never read that.




I'm sure she was. Weren't we all? I don't think it was reciprocal in the romantic sense. I think Ms. Hill is delusional, niave and star struck. My opinion of course.



I wouldn't doubt that she was romantically in love with Prince, as I'm sure it was hard NOT to honestly. But why do you think she was "delusional, naive, and star struck"? They were friends since 2014, he helped record and produce her album, and she helped with his music as well. He said "I love you and I'll always be there for you" to her according to her NYT interview. So if they were very close friends, why would she be "delusional, naive, and star struck""?



Simply my opinion.
Naive: She did not see the physical changes, the weight loss, etc.

Delusional:She left a contract at a whim, with his help of course. Now what? She put all her eggs in one basket, assumed he'd advance her career etc. I think this was done as a favor to Larry. He is friends with her parents and played with them.

Star Struck: Exactly what it means. I think their relationship meant more to her "romantically". It was Prince, She was smitten and oblivious.

Again, my opinion.
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Reply #997 posted 07/03/16 7:22pm

sunmoonanddsta
rs

Tresha68 said:

sunmoonanddstars said:

I wouldn't doubt that she was romantically in love with Prince, as I'm sure it was hard NOT to honestly. But why do you think she was "delusional, naive, and star struck"? They were friends since 2014, he helped record and produce her album, and she helped with his music as well. He said "I love you and I'll always be there for you" to her according to her NYT interview. So if they were very close friends, why would she be "delusional, naive, and star struck""?

Simply my opinion. Naive: She did not see the physical changes, the weight loss, etc. Delusional:She left a contract at a whim, with his help of course. Now what? She put all her eggs in one basket, assumed he'd advance her career etc. I think this was done as a favor to Larry. He is friends with her parents and played with them. Star Struck: Exactly what it means. I think their relationship meant more to her "romantically". It was Prince, She was smitten and oblivious. Again, my opinion.

No one in his circle noticed his physical changes, or at least no one attributed his physical changes to opiates. He was vegetarian and had never taken any drugs or alcohol as far as everyone knew. So it couldn't be naivety because no one suspected it in the least. Everyone was shocked at his sudden death.

And I don't think that is what she meant when she "relied" on him, she relied on him emotionally, and they developed a routine (personal and recording-wise), according to the NYT interview. So yes she is probably at a loss of what to do now. But she's not worried about her career. She meant she doesn't know what to do without him... emotionally. If she was delusional for leaving a contract then you would have to say the same of Prince when he left such a huge contract deal at WB. In this day and age, it's much easier to promote yourself without a label. And she had the best person to ask advice from possible, Prince. So there wasn't a need for her to be in a contract anyways.

She can be star struck as they were equally respected friends since 2014. She may have been romantically attracted to him, again which I don't doubt is possible, but Prince had his boundaries and she clearly respected them or else he wouldn't have her around. I know it's your opinion and I respect that, but at the same time I think what she said in her interview was credible. She was one of the woman in Prince's life and I think she spoke at a level that didn't overestimate the role in his life, or his role in her life.

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Reply #998 posted 07/03/16 8:50pm

laytonian

Eileen said:

laytonian said:

Logic.

Dr Kornfield required certain medical tests be performed before treatment. P had a clinic visit on the 20th with Schulenberg. Schulenberg was delivering test results on the morning of the 21st and showed up just after Andrew Kornfield arrived.

It's ALSO become obvious that, SINCE NO OTHER DOCTOR SHOWED UP ON APRIL 21ST, Dr Schulenberg was actually going to administer the suboxone to P.


Okay, understand now it's your logic. However it does contradict the so far public statements.


Kornfeld's attorney said the assessment and potential treatment was to be done the morning of the 21st at the doctor's office, and that the doctor was still in the office waiting for Prince to show up for this assessment and potential treatment at the time of the death scene.


Also stated, that the very first contact with Kornfeld was later in the evening of the 20th (after Prince's doctor visit of the 20th), so your testing timeline does not seem to mesh there either.


I agree that Schulenberg showing up with test results when Prince was supposed to be away from Paisley at a clinic visit is still a question mark, unexplained. Although assistant Meron of course could have accepted any paperwork dropped off, but that's not a very satisfying explanation.


Anything is possible and public statements may turn out to be incorrect, accidentally or deliberately.

P saw Schulenberg on the 7th and 20th; tests were taken both times (according to the affidavit filed for the search warrant). Due to HIPAA, test results cannot be given to another person without the express permission (and signature) of the patient.

http://www.pressherald.com/2016/05/11/prince-saw-longtime-experienced-family-care-physician-a-day-before-his-death/

The reason both doctors are being investigated is because of the way the suboxone was carried by a non-authorized person. The magical third doctor would have been ID'd by now because he'd have been mentioned in search warrants and afficavits.
There's a timeline issue.
Andrew Kornfield had just arrived at PP, right? YET, there was supposedly a third doctor waiting for P who "never showed up"? Unless Andrew, Kirk and Meron showed up LATE, why would there be a no-show?

That's why I think Schulenberg was the same doctor who "cleared his schedule" and was going to be there when the suboxone was administered.

http://www.iheart.com/news/prince-had-doctors-appointment-morning-he-14678007/


Such a flustercluck! All those notable rehab facilities nearby and no one thinks to contact one of them....but calls someone in California?

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Reply #999 posted 07/03/16 9:17pm

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laytonian said:



Eileen said:




laytonian said:


It was arranged that Dr S would meet Dr K's son at PP on the morning of the 21st.


Would appreciate your source/link for that information. It doesn't match press conference or unsealed search warrant statements afaik (which may of course turn out to be incorrect as anything is possible).





Logic.


Dr Kornfield required certain medical tests be performed before treatment. P had a clinic visit on the 20th with Schulenberg. Schulenberg was delivering test results on the morning of the 21st and showed up just after Andrew Kornfield arrived.



It's ALSO become obvious that, SINCE NO OTHER DOCTOR SHOWED UP ON APRIL 21ST, Dr Schulenberg was actually going to administer the suboxone to P.




--- No other doctor showed up so it had to be Dr.S. I just do not understand why the med had to come from California.!I hope these people are not lying and did not give him anything the day before.
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Reply #1000 posted 07/03/16 9:37pm

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I don't think it was Schulenberg that was to be involved with administering any medication that Kornfeld's son brought with him. I don't think Schulenberg is licensed for it is why. I do think there was indeed a second doctor and he hasn't been identified because Prince never made it to actually see him. There is no need to name him if Prince never saw him. The meeting was to take place at the second doctor's office, not at Paisley Park, is what I'm gathering:

"Andrew Kornfeld was to meet with Prince and a second Minnesota doctor who is certified to prescribe an opioid addiction treatment medication that Howard Kornfeld uses.

That Minnesota doctor, who hasn't been publicly identified, had cleared his calendar for the morning of April 21 so that Prince could go to his office for an independent evaluation, the source said."

Reference: http://www.startribune.co...381663221/


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Reply #1001 posted 07/03/16 9:56pm

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Eileen said:

laytonian said:

Logic.

Dr Kornfield required certain medical tests be performed before treatment. P had a clinic visit on the 20th with Schulenberg. Schulenberg was delivering test results on the morning of the 21st and showed up just after Andrew Kornfield arrived.

It's ALSO become obvious that, SINCE NO OTHER DOCTOR SHOWED UP ON APRIL 21ST, Dr Schulenberg was actually going to administer the suboxone to P.


Okay, understand now it's your logic. However it does contradict the so far public statements.


Kornfeld's attorney said the assessment and potential treatment was to be done the morning of the 21st at the doctor's office, and that the doctor was still in the office waiting for Prince to show up for this assessment and potential treatment at the time of the death scene.


Also stated, that the very first contact with Kornfeld was later in the evening of the 20th (after Prince's doctor visit of the 20th), so your testing timeline does not seem to mesh there either.


I agree that Schulenberg showing up with test results when Prince was supposed to be away from Paisley at a clinic visit is still a question mark, unexplained. Although assistant Meron of course could have accepted any paperwork dropped off, but that's not a very satisfying explanation.


Anything is possible and public statements may turn out to be incorrect, accidentally or deliberately.


I am one who also had said that I believed the test results being dropped off by Schulenberg may have had something to do with Kornfeld's requirements for starting treatment with his program. What you have said about the timeline and the first contact with Kornfeld falling on the evening of the 20th kind of wrecks that theory. However, it depends how early in the evening that call was made and the exceptions that Schulenberg may have made to get Prince going on his proposed treatment. I don't know.

I had also said before that the test results could have had to do partially with his withdrawal symptoms and perhaps testing was done to check his blood levels or what ever else since he was possibly dehydrated, wasn't eating right, etc and also given the fact that he was being treated for "fatigue, anemia, and his concerns about opiate withdrawal." So, the test results could have been done to give an update on how he was coming along since he first started seeing Schulenberg.



Edit: Ok, just reading more in the article...they have the call listed as being made less than 12 hours before Prince was found that morning on the 21st. It's very confusing because they had another doctor set up and everything to meet with Prince the next day. It just seems that some emergency arrangements were made to get everything going. All guesses of course on my part.



Reference: http://www.startribune.co...381663221/

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Reply #1002 posted 07/03/16 10:19pm

underthecheery
moon

I know you guys are going to be upset with this reply, but this is how i feel. but someone said on this thread no one who was close to him noticed his physical changes, I believe and will always believe, that if prince and mayte' were still together today, prince would still be alive. They looked so in love and so happy together, and looked in love equally, prince looked crazy about mayte', and mayte' looked crazy about prince, I believe she changed his life for the better, with the interviews he spoke about her when they were together, so I believe she would of noticed the physical changes no one else could and she would of made sure he got the help he needed and he would be alive today, that's what I believe and will always believe, no matter what anyone says.

Too many things have been said about princes deatht Idk what to believe, someone said on the dr.drew show that princes chef said that prince told the chef he could not swallow solids anymore, idk if its true or not

[Edited 7/3/16 22:59pm]

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Reply #1003 posted 07/03/16 10:44pm

Eileen

laytonian said:

The magical third doctor would have been ID'd by now because he'd have been mentioned in search warrants and afficavits.


All we know of search warrants and affidavits is from the one Schulenberg records warrant that was left accidentally unsealed due to an admitted legal error. The other sealed documents have not leaked afaik, so for me the jury is still out.

Also for me, there isn't yet sufficient evidence that Kornfeld lied in his presser and that Schulenberg/Kirk/Meron lied to officers at the death scene about the morning plans and that the warrant was left incomplete such as to mislead.

As stated anything is still possible, it's just my preference not to confuse speculation and facts, or at least try not to.


Appreciate you explaining your thinking though, laytonian. None of us will see every single article or announcement, hence it's always helpful when people respond reasonably to a request for a source. Thank you.

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Reply #1004 posted 07/04/16 1:26am

RachB65

Eileen said:



laytonian said:



Eileen said:


Would appreciate your source/link for that information. It doesn't match press conference or unsealed search warrant statements afaik (which may of course turn out to be incorrect as anything is possible).




Logic.


Dr Kornfield required certain medical tests be performed before treatment. P had a clinic visit on the 20th with Schulenberg. Schulenberg was delivering test results on the morning of the 21st and showed up just after Andrew Kornfield arrived.



It's ALSO become obvious that, SINCE NO OTHER DOCTOR SHOWED UP ON APRIL 21ST, Dr Schulenberg was actually going to administer the suboxone to P.





Okay, understand now it's your logic. However it does contradict the so far public statements.



Kornfeld's attorney said the assessment and potential treatment was to be done the morning of the 21st at the doctor's office, and that the doctor was still in the office waiting for Prince to show up for this assessment and potential treatment at the time of the death scene.



Also stated, that the very first contact with Kornfeld was later in the evening of the 20th (after Prince's doctor visit of the 20th), so your testing timeline does not seem to mesh there either.



I agree that Schulenberg showing up with test results when Prince was supposed to be away from Paisley at a clinic visit is still a question mark, unexplained. Although assistant Meron of course could have accepted any paperwork dropped off, but that's not a very satisfying explanation.



Anything is possible and public statements may turn out to be incorrect, accidentally or deliberately.




I read that the doctor who was supposed to meet P that morning cleared his schedule and there was no specific/set time that he was expecting P. Just sometime in the later part of the morning..So he was waiting all morning for P, who obviously never showed up.If i can remember where i read this i will post a link
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Reply #1005 posted 07/04/16 8:02am

LBrent

underthecheerymoon said:

I know you guys are going to be upset with this reply, but this is how i feel. but someone said on this thread no one who was close to him noticed his physical changes, I believe and will always believe, that if prince and mayte' were still together today, prince would still be alive. They looked so in love and so happy together, and looked in love equally, prince looked crazy about mayte', and mayte' looked crazy about prince, I believe she changed his life for the better, with the interviews he spoke about her when they were together, so I believe she would of noticed the physical changes no one else could and she would of made sure he got the help he needed and he would be alive today, that's what I believe and will always believe, no matter what anyone says.




I've believed this for years, no matter who else he was with after they broke up.
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Reply #1006 posted 07/04/16 8:25am

Tresha68

underthecheerymoon said:

I know you guys are going to be upset with this reply, but this is how i feel. but someone said on this thread no one who was close to him noticed his physical changes, I believe and will always believe, that if prince and mayte' were still together today, prince would still be alive. They looked so in love and so happy together, and looked in love equally, prince looked crazy about mayte', and mayte' looked crazy about prince, I believe she changed his life for the better, with the interviews he spoke about her when they were together, so I believe she would of noticed the physical changes no one else could and she would of made sure he got the help he needed and he would be alive today, that's what I believe and will always believe, no matter what anyone says.

Too many things have been said about princes deatht Idk what to believe, someone said on the dr.drew show that princes chef said that prince told the chef he could not swallow solids anymore, idk if its true or not

[Edited 7/3/16 22:59pm]

I agree with you 100%. To this very day, even in his death, they are bound by ties greater than anyone knows. I think he pushed her away because he himself didn't know how to help himself, therefore, how could he help her? I think he regretted that decision until the day he died, but was too proud to act on it.

I wish people could see him as the deeply flawed man he really was. Not unlike anyone here. He was a musical God, yes, but he was simply nothing more than a man.

Anyone who won't admit to seeing the physical changes is delusional, hiding something or under contract. Period.

Now, Mayte is left to pick up the pieces once again. She is a beautiful soul. PERIOD. It was never Denise or Sheila. It was, and will always be Mayte.

My heart breaks for her.

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Reply #1007 posted 07/04/16 11:32am

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underthecheerymoon said:

Too many things have been said about princes deatht Idk what to believe, someone said on the dr.drew show that princes chef said that prince told the chef he could not swallow solids anymore, idk if its true or not

[Edited 7/3/16 22:59pm]

I know in the scheme of things now that this detail probably isn't important, but I wanted to say anyway that I've not read anything that stated that in that particular, specific way. I've read that Prince had been having a lot of stomach issues, and that his chef said he'd been requesting a lot of soups and smoothies and the like which are more easily digestible.

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That last meal the chef prepared for Prince that he found still in the refrigerator the next day was a soup and a summer salad, so Prince apparantly could still swallow solids if he was going to have a salad with his dinner.

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Reply #1008 posted 07/04/16 1:41pm

wavesofbliss

Tresha68 said:

underthecheerymoon said:

I know you guys are going to be upset with this reply, but this is how i feel. but someone said on this thread no one who was close to him noticed his physical changes, I believe and will always believe, that if prince and mayte' were still together today, prince would still be alive. They looked so in love and so happy together, and looked in love equally, prince looked crazy about mayte', and mayte' looked crazy about prince, I believe she changed his life for the better, with the interviews he spoke about her when they were together, so I believe she would of noticed the physical changes no one else could and she would of made sure he got the help he needed and he would be alive today, that's what I believe and will always believe, no matter what anyone says.

Too many things have been said about princes deatht Idk what to believe, someone said on the dr.drew show that princes chef said that prince told the chef he could not swallow solids anymore, idk if its true or not

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I agree with you 100%. To this very day, even in his death, they are bound by ties greater than anyone knows. I think he pushed her away because he himself didn't know how to help himself, therefore, how could he help her? I think he regretted that decision until the day he died, but was too proud to act on it.

I wish people could see him as the deeply flawed man he really was. Not unlike anyone here. He was a musical God, yes, but he was simply nothing more than a man.

Anyone who won't admit to seeing the physical changes is delusional, hiding something or under contract. Period.

Now, Mayte is left to pick up the pieces once again. She is a beautiful soul. PERIOD. It was never Denise or Sheila. It was, and will always be Mayte.

My heart breaks for her.

Enough with the Mayte as savoir bulloks PLEASE! She was a blank slate that did what she was told, not unlike the 20somethings he surrounded himself with at the end of his life! How are people not getting that?!? even more pathetic to remember that with mayte he was only 40, with these dingbats he was nearly 60 and not a grown/mature woman in sight. that is/was not a coincidence. vain cunts like prince and madonna don't wanna be around people their own age because they can't continue the illusion that they're still young.

+++ There is a reason the bible says, "it is not good for a man to be alone." ANY mature/self-sufficent woman would have greatly benefitted him. it seems very clear thta whatever their situations was, judith was not THAT woman either. An independant thinker who was sincerely worried would have rescheduled the show and stayed with her lover. like when you leave work when your parent has a heart attack or or child is sick. wild horses can't keep you from them.

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Reply #1009 posted 07/04/16 1:44pm

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i find it kinda strange while conincedental that judith hill was in the close presence of both michael jackson and prince before their passing . and that she is closely associated with sony. but hey "no conspiracy" stuff.

Judith Hill Signs with So...roban Tour

: www.rafu.com › English › Life & Arts › Music

Oct 11, 2013 - Vocalist Judith Hill has been tapped by multi-platinum-selling singer Josh Groban as support for his fall “In the Round” tour, which kicked off ...

"The Voice"'s Judith Hill...h Josh ...

www.drfunkenberry.com/.../the-voices-judith-hill-signs-with-sony-music-touring-wit...
Oct 2, 2013 - Judith Hill, who has appeared on "The Voice" and The Michael Jackson film "This Is It" has signed a record deal and is about to go out on tour ...

Prince being sued by Sony...Hill - AXS

: www.axs.com/.../prince-being-sued-by-sony-for-poaching-singer-judith-hill-465...
: dove:

here's a song title re:

now here's a sidebar:

Related imageRelated image

this photo was taken on March 2016:

: http://naturallymoi.com/2...g-ovation/

March circa: 4th or 6th.

who is she?

related article below:

A basketball game happened in front of Prince Thursday

: http://mashable.com/2016/...xYODvGqkqL

question is does anyonw know who this beautiful female person is who sat

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Reply #1010 posted 07/04/16 2:13pm

underthecheery
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You can say whatever you want, but I will ALWAYS believe if mayte' and prince were together today and never got a divorce he would still be ALIVE! After all she is the only woman in his life to have a child with him, that's not something you can blow off! The oprah interview and the good morning america interview they were truly in love, and he was deeply in love with her!

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Reply #1011 posted 07/04/16 2:24pm

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Stars at Sony's Post-Grammy Reception
In This Photo: Doug Morris, Judith Hill

Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Sony Music Entertainment Doug Morris (L) and recording artist Judith Hill attend the Sony Music Entertainment Post-Grammy Reception at The Palm on January 26, 2014 in Los Angeles, California.

: http://www.zimbio.com/pho...nKgdu5ofDz

dove

(i guess i'm at the blame phase sad }

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Reply #1012 posted 07/04/16 2:24pm

wavesofbliss

underthecheerymoon said:

You can say whatever you want, but I will ALWAYS believe if mayte' and prince were together today and never got a divorce he would still be ALIVE! After all she is the only woman in his life to have a child with him, that's not something you can blow off! The oprah interview and the good morning america interview they were truly in love, and he was deeply in love with her!

fair enough, but you sound like fluffy-headed 12yo. cheers. cool

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Reply #1013 posted 07/04/16 2:58pm

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wavesofbliss said:

underthecheerymoon said:

You can say whatever you want, but I will ALWAYS believe if mayte' and prince were together today and never got a divorce he would still be ALIVE! After all she is the only woman in his life to have a child with him, that's not something you can blow off! The oprah interview and the good morning america interview they were truly in love, and he was deeply in love with her!

fair enough, but you sound like fluffy-headed 12yo. cheers. cool


No offense to anyone, but many have said the same thing about Elvis Presley and that they think if Elvis and Priscilla would have stayed together then Elvis would have lived. Perhaps and perhaps not. Like Elvis and Priscilla, Prince and Mayte split for a reason and their relationship was beyond repair.

Personally, I think Prince was trying to block out the whole era with Mayte perhaps because of the painful loss of his child, subsequent miscarriage, and the fact that he couldn't deal with his own feelings on everything that was happening plus then try to comfort his wife and understand her feelings as well. As heartless as it seemed, he appears to have wanted to start fresh and try to forget and in order to do that, he had to block out Mayte as well. I don't think Mayte had as much strength at the time as far as being her own person as it seems Prince shaped much of what she was. In saying this, it could be that Prince couldn't look to her for strength to get through the tragedies they experienced. He was at a weak point and Mayte was probably far more weak and broken given what occurred in addition to her young age and being a bit naive.

Yes, I believe Mayte and Prince were in love, but there was substance that was missing to carry them through and that is why they weren't together anymore and didn't get back together. These women can't be expected to save these guys especially when the men are mostly responsible for the breakups.


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And I'm not the only moment you're made of..."
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Reply #1014 posted 07/04/16 4:26pm

PeteSilas

funny thing was, I've read things that say Elvis didn't even want to marry Priscilla in the first place. He had promised the family that he would but he really had cold feet. then, Elvis had some strange ideas of women who had born children, he wouldn't have sex with women who had kids. so, some people have said, he stopped having sex with Priscilla when Lisa was born and he actually only had sex with her one more time and that was when he raped her after he found out that she cheated on him. I think Prince's case was similar in some ways, both men took advantage of naive young girls and inspite of all the people who say otherwise, there are signs that those were the men's true loves. I don't get it in the case of Mayte, she never seemed capable of forming a thought of her own. At least that was the impression. Watching the Oprah interview, she couldn't answer a question without looking at Prince for approval. Not all men would be attracted to someone so devoid of character. Some men like ditzy women though. the only thing I like about not to bright women is that they seem to be the sweetest women you'll meet, other than that, I don't get it.

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Reply #1015 posted 07/04/16 4:28pm

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and yes, some say the loss of first, elvis' mom and then priscilla pretty much took their tolls on him. it's life though, nothing is permanent. I don't know if having those women around would have saved him. Addicts pretty much do what they want even when they know people dissaprove. I had a friend who's girlfriend gave him an ultimatum of not smoking pot, he did it anyway and she kicked his dumb ass out and he had the nerve to be shocked.

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Reply #1016 posted 07/04/16 6:16pm

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PeteSilas said:

funny thing was, I've read things that say Elvis didn't even want to marry Priscilla in the first place. He had promised the family that he would but he really had cold feet. then, Elvis had some strange ideas of women who had born children, he wouldn't have sex with women who had kids. so, some people have said, he stopped having sex with Priscilla when Lisa was born and he actually only had sex with her one more time and that was when he raped her after he found out that she cheated on him. I think Prince's case was similar in some ways, both men took advantage of naive young girls and inspite of all the people who say otherwise, there are signs that those were the men's true loves. I don't get it in the case of Mayte, she never seemed capable of forming a thought of her own. At least that was the impression. Watching the Oprah interview, she couldn't answer a question without looking at Prince for approval. Not all men would be attracted to someone so devoid of character. Some men like ditzy women though. the only thing I like about not to bright women is that they seem to be the sweetest women you'll meet, other than that, I don't get it.



In respect of the Oprah interview, they had just lost their son and were in a lawsuit with the Nannies. I'm not sure how either of them made it through that interview. People do not seem to give Mayte enough credit. She was already a professional dancer, choreographed many music videos for other artists, directed music videos and did multiple interviews alone where she was extremely confident,mature and intelligent. I think people like to brush her off because she was "The One". I'm far from a 12 year old (Pete I know you didn't say that). It's obvious. She and he were meant to be. Period.
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Reply #1017 posted 07/04/16 6:43pm

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Tresha68 said:

PeteSilas said:

funny thing was, I've read things that say Elvis didn't even want to marry Priscilla in the first place. He had promised the family that he would but he really had cold feet. then, Elvis had some strange ideas of women who had born children, he wouldn't have sex with women who had kids. so, some people have said, he stopped having sex with Priscilla when Lisa was born and he actually only had sex with her one more time and that was when he raped her after he found out that she cheated on him. I think Prince's case was similar in some ways, both men took advantage of naive young girls and inspite of all the people who say otherwise, there are signs that those were the men's true loves. I don't get it in the case of Mayte, she never seemed capable of forming a thought of her own. At least that was the impression. Watching the Oprah interview, she couldn't answer a question without looking at Prince for approval. Not all men would be attracted to someone so devoid of character. Some men like ditzy women though. the only thing I like about not to bright women is that they seem to be the sweetesit women you'll meet, other than that, I don't get it.

. She was already a professional dancer, choreographed many music videos for other artists, directed music videos and did multiple interviews alone where she was extremely confident,mature and intelligent. I think people like to brush her off because she was "The One". I'm far from a 12 year old (Pete I know you didn't say that). It's obvious. She and he were meant to be. Period.

she was a professional dancer before P. the rest of the stuff you mention came after the divorce. i cannot believe that anyone has a "the one"/ "soulmate" blah blah on the payroll for 6 yrs. I'm sure why people are so invested in this period, it was clear to me then, as it is now that he was looking for something he could be in complete and total control of while his professional life was beginning to unravel. for most men that means find a woman to boss around,younger,dumber,and inexperienced the better. prince did not appear to be different in that respect. he did the same thing grabbing hold of manuela. prince clearly didn't learn his spiritual lessons- in life you have to ride out the stroms, you don't just scrub the deck and start over everytime things get difficult. smh. at least he has peace now.

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Reply #1018 posted 07/04/16 8:31pm

tmo1965

underthecheerymoon said:

I know you guys are going to be upset with this reply, but this is how i feel. but someone said on this thread no one who was close to him noticed his physical changes, I believe and will always believe, that if prince and mayte' were still together today, prince would still be alive. They looked so in love and so happy together, and looked in love equally, prince looked crazy about mayte', and mayte' looked crazy about prince, I believe she changed his life for the better, with the interviews he spoke about her when they were together, so I believe she would of noticed the physical changes no one else could and she would of made sure he got the help he needed and he would be alive today, that's what I believe and will always believe, no matter what anyone says.

Too many things have been said about princes deatht Idk what to believe, someone said on the dr.drew show that princes chef said that prince told the chef he could not swallow solids anymore, idk if its true or not

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I think that if was married to any decent wife he would still be here.

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Reply #1019 posted 07/04/16 10:01pm

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tmo1965 said:

underthecheerymoon said:

I know you guys are going to be upset with this reply, but this is how i feel. but someone said on this thread no one who was close to him noticed his physical changes, I believe and will always believe, that if prince and mayte' were still together today, prince would still be alive. They looked so in love and so happy together, and looked in love equally, prince looked crazy about mayte', and mayte' looked crazy about prince, I believe she changed his life for the better, with the interviews he spoke about her when they were together, so I believe she would of noticed the physical changes no one else could and she would of made sure he got the help he needed and he would be alive today, that's what I believe and will always believe, no matter what anyone says.

Too many things have been said about princes deatht Idk what to believe, someone said on the dr.drew show that princes chef said that prince told the chef he could not swallow solids anymore, idk if its true or not

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I think that if was married to any decent wife he would still be here.

Exactly. I think any wife who lived with him and saw him day and night might have made a difference. We'll never know, of course.

To be honest, there was nothing about Mayte and Prince that ever felt real to me. I don't mean to say there was no love. But I gotta be honest, it almost seemed like Prince was in dreamworld, trying to live or sell a fairytale with this perfect child-bride. Then the dream all came crashing down when tragedy struck. What a sad and rude awakening.

With regards to the women he surrounded himself with during the last years of his life, I was most impressed with his friendship with Tamron Hall tbh. She's 45 -- closer to his age -- has an established career, seems worldly and intelligent but also has a vulnerablity to her. I was intrigued by their friendship and he seemed proud of their connection (putting her on his song cover). She is the type of woman I would have liked to see Prince progess to, not these young, fledging artist types like Judith Hill.

I wish Judith well.

[Edited 7/4/16 22:11pm]

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