From what I read, when someone is given a "save shot" (Narcan); it makes the person go through withdrawals. The fact of the matter is that Prince should have been in a hospital. Period!! He needed to be under a doctor's supervision and he needed help. I might sound blunt here, but Prince's doctor's FAILED him, miserably! You can say: "Where were his friends? Why was he all alone?", etc., etc., but the bottom line is when you have a patient who is in chronic pain, and you know their history of Percocet -- you don't go and give that person an even MORE potent drug like "Fentanyl". BTW, the doctor's are being investigated and it is still unclear WHERE Prince got the Fentanyl from or in which "form" he was taking it (pill or patch). Either way, this is not a drug that should be given to ANYONE, unsupervised. There is a long-list of unanswered questions on WHO and WHERE did Prince get the Fentanyl from. Why was that doctor's son there that morning Prince's lifeless body was found, and why was he there with a "backpack" of opiates (Percocet)? Was that supposed to help Prince?! Sounds more like they were trying to kill him! Rest in Peace, Prince -- you surely did not deserve this!
It was not a "backpack" of opiates, it was not Percoset. He allegedley came with a small dose of Suboxone, a drug used to treat opiate addiction, withdrawal and pain. It has an opioid blocker and does not get the patient high. He was supposed to give it to a qualified Dr.( who has not been identified) to administer to Prince that morning
Rach: The news articles are very conflicting. Some state Andrew Kornfeld had a "backpack of opiates", while other's say it was a small amount of buprenorphine. They "claim" that Andrew was delivering it to a local doctor who was treating Prince.
"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
From what I read, when someone is given a "save shot" (Narcan); it makes the person go through withdrawals. The fact of the matter is that Prince should have been in a hospital. Period!! He needed to be under a doctor's supervision and he needed help. I might sound blunt here, but Prince's doctor's FAILED him, miserably! You can say: "Where were his friends? Why was he all alone?", etc., etc., but the bottom line is when you have a patient who is in chronic pain, and you know their history of Percocet -- you don't go and give that person an even MORE potent drug like "Fentanyl". BTW, the doctor's are being investigated and it is still unclear WHERE Prince got the Fentanyl from or in which "form" he was taking it (pill or patch). Either way, this is not a drug that should be given to ANYONE, unsupervised. There is a long-list of unanswered questions on WHO and WHERE did Prince get the Fentanyl from. Why was that doctor's son there that morning Prince's lifeless body was found, and why was he there with a "backpack" of opiates (Percocet)? Was that supposed to help Prince?! Sounds more like they were trying to kill him! Rest in Peace, Prince -- you surely did not deserve this!
It was not a "backpack" of opiates, it was not Percoset. He allegedley came with a small dose of Suboxone, a drug used to treat opiate addiction, withdrawal and pain. It has an opioid blocker and does not get the patient high. He was supposed to give it to a qualified Dr.( who has not been identified) to administer to Prince that morning
Rach: The news articles are very conflicting. Some state Andrew Kornfeld had a "backpack of opiates", while other's say it was a small amount of buprenorphine. They "claim" that Andrew was delivering it to a local doctor who was treating Prince.
From what i recall he had the Suboxone(an opioid), in his backpack. Perhaps there is where the confusion comes from...I never remember reading he had a backpack of opiates..But ive read so many articles..I just do not recall such a phrase
"Almost all art is trying to become an anaesthetic and at the same time a healing session drawing up the magical electrics.”
people keep saying this, but we only saw him for a few hours a day at a concert. these were not long concert tours either. the pain meds could work for that long and when he leaves the stage and we didn't see him, who knows how his body felt.
For years after the possible 2010 op he was moving his hips in ways that he could have avoided if they caused him pain - he didn't seem to be protecting the hip. The pain could have been recent but JH said there were no signs of pain and she saw him after the concerts, rehearsing into the "wee hours" etc. You know when somone is suffering the kind of pain that needs Fentanyl.
Judith ""I only know what everyone knows about his pain — I read about it,” she said. In person, “he was quick on his feet. Never said anything, that this is hurting, never a sign of struggle. That’s why it’s all very shocking.”"
Just because Judith was not aware of it, does not mean that Prince was not in pain. He was an old dude trying to get a young chick, so he wouldn't be telling her about his aches and pains.
For years after the possible 2010 op he was moving his hips in ways that he could have avoided if they caused him pain - he didn't seem to be protecting the hip. The pain could have been recent but JH said there were no signs of pain and she saw him after the concerts, rehearsing into the "wee hours" etc. You know when somone is suffering the kind of pain that needs Fentanyl.
Judith ""I only know what everyone knows about his pain — I read about it,” she said. In person, “he was quick on his feet. Never said anything, that this is hurting, never a sign of struggle. That’s why it’s all very shocking.”"
Just because Judith was not aware of it, does not mean that Prince was not in pain. He was an old dude trying to get a young chick, so he wouldn't be telling her about his aches and pains.
Lol.....she also seems to have upgraded her website in a big way. And right after this story broke too. Hmmmmmmmmmm........
For years after the possible 2010 op he was moving his hips in ways that he could have avoided if they caused him pain - he didn't seem to be protecting the hip. The pain could have been recent but JH said there were no signs of pain and she saw him after the concerts, rehearsing into the "wee hours" etc. You know when somone is suffering the kind of pain that needs Fentanyl.
Judith ""I only know what everyone knows about his pain — I read about it,” she said. In person, “he was quick on his feet. Never said anything, that this is hurting, never a sign of struggle. That’s why it’s all very shocking.”"
Just because Judith was not aware of it, does not mean that Prince was not in pain. He was an old dude trying to get a young chick, so he wouldn't be telling her about his aches and pains.
That is true. But he shouldn't have been messing with Fentanyl for the kind of pain that can be so effectively hidden when there is a young woman around all day that she didn't notice any struggle and said he looked quick on his feet. I have known people trying to keep up a front at work all day with their hip pain - and so long as they take their painkillers and guard their hip movements and rest a lot they can keep going - but they are not moving like P was, or like they do after they have the op. If you were not watching out for the difference you might not notice - but everyone watched P. People would notice.
If he took painkillers in an attempt to obliterate all pain so he could keep going then he was taking far too much (and I have very little experience of painkillers myself but when they gave me diamorphine it knocked me flat (but unfortuanately not unconscious) but I swear it didn't dull the pain at all - I prefered having no painkiller to that as I could at least walk around and take up different positions to deal with my pain. It was totally different when they gave me pethidine and shortly after the pain went - I felt little relief from the pethidine when in pain but the pain made me very lifeless but once the pain passed the pethidine made me very lively and sociable).
From everything I have seen around pain and painkillers I don't get what was going on with P.
For years after the possible 2010 op he was moving his hips in ways that he could have avoided if they caused him pain - he didn't seem to be protecting the hip. The pain could have been recent but JH said there were no signs of pain and she saw him after the concerts, rehearsing into the "wee hours" etc. You know when somone is suffering the kind of pain that needs Fentanyl.
Judith ""I only know what everyone knows about his pain — I read about it,” she said. In person, “he was quick on his feet. Never said anything, that this is hurting, never a sign of struggle. That’s why it’s all very shocking.”"
Just because Judith was not aware of it, does not mean that Prince was not in pain. He was an old dude trying to get a young chick, so he wouldn't be telling her about his aches and pains.
I do not understand why people keep discounting the fact that he was 57!!! I am not yet 50 and at the end of the day I am tired as hell. I am not running, jumping or traveling I am just sitting at a desk. People who worked with him said he could put in 100 hours a week. I also think he may have had arthritis which can be extremly painful. He was trying to keep up with young girls and maintain a rock star image any of these things could have drove him to pain killers which apparently make the pain exactly worst.
That is why, in my opinion, the family should permit release of the autopsy report. Get it out there. Prove, once and for all, what the truth was at the time of his death. The family either doesn't want to release it or the investigators have asked them not to release it. If he had a cocktail of drugs in his system, then we can all see where this investigation has been heading. P was not down at the local corner scoring this stuff. It is all just very sad. Someone all alone, trying to cope, trying to hold everything together, paying for or financially responsible for a boatload of people and businesses, in a new phase of his artistic life ... Reportedly, only two employees (KJ and the PA) were at PP these days ... Maybe money wasn't as easy to come by - he wasn't doing the big moneymaking tours - and he had no one (that we know of) not on the payroll in some way to support him and be by his side through this journey into an uncertain future. That would be scary for me - imagine what it would be like for an international superstar/icon.
I hope if the family does ever release the full autopsy report that it says absolutely nothing that we don't already know as fact, so everyone clamoring for it and expecting P to have some other disease can shutup.
Just because Judith was not aware of it, does not mean that Prince was not in pain. He was an old dude trying to get a young chick, so he wouldn't be telling her about his aches and pains.
I do not understand why people keep discounting the fact that he was 57!!! I am not yet 50 and at the end of the day I am tired as hell. I am not running, jumping or traveling I am just sitting at a desk. People who worked with him said he could put in 100 hours a week. I also think he may have had arthritis which can be extremly painful. He was trying to keep up with young girls and maintain a rock star image any of these things could have drove him to pain killers which apparently make the pain exactly worst.
I am probably the same age. I think sitting at a desk makes you really tired. Keeping active gives you energy - the more I do the more energy I have. My parents are 70 and are still active all day - more active than I am because they don't work and have the time to exercise all day.
Arthiritis can be extremely painful - however people are usually quite limited in mobility by the time they get to extreme pain. However a freind I go to the gym with has mild arthritis and exercise helps - no pain killers used. It runs in the family and those that don't exercise suffer much more. Chicken or egg I don't know.
This is not a normal event to die from pain relief from hip pain or arthritis at 57 - both of which must have come on very rapidly as he was moving around very well only recently. Do you know anyone else this has happened to due to arthritis or hip pain (both very common) - even in people trying to carry on working through the pain?
Having flu for months and dying of it suddenly in an elevator is not normal for an active healthy person either but many tried to normalise that too. Those that I know that have died of flu complications had underlying health issues (if technically healthy at the time) and they caught pnemonia and were hospitalised beforehand.
I do not understand why people keep discounting the fact that he was 57!!! I am not yet 50 and at the end of the day I am tired as hell. I am not running, jumping or traveling I am just sitting at a desk. People who worked with him said he could put in 100 hours a week. I also think he may have had arthritis which can be extremly painful. He was trying to keep up with young girls and maintain a rock star image any of these things could have drove him to pain killers which apparently make the pain exactly worst.
I am probably the same age. I think sitting at a desk makes you really tired. Keeping active gives you energy - the more I do the more energy I have. My parents are 70 and are still active all day - more active than I am because they don't work and have the time to exercise all day.
Arthiritis can be extremely painful - however people are usually quite limited in mobility by the time they get to extreme pain. However a freind I go to the gym with has mild arthritis and exercise helps - no pain killers used. It runs in the family and those that don't exercise suffer much more. Chicken or egg I don't know.
This is not a normal event to die from pain relief from hip pain or arthritis at 57 - both of which must have come on very rapidly as he was moving around very well only recently. Do you know anyone else this has happened to due to arthritis or hip pain (both very common) - even in people trying to carry on working through the pain?
Having flu for months and dying of it suddenly in an elevator is not normal for an active healthy person either but many tried to normalise that too. Those that I know that have died of flu complications had underlying health issues (if technically healthy at the time) and they caught pnemonia and were hospitalised beforehand.
I think that Prince may have thought that he had the flu at first, but I'm convinced that the flu symptoms were really due to withdrawal. The question that's not answered (at least not publicaly), is were there other drugs in his system. Dr. Drew has said repeatedly that the only time that he has seen someone die from an OD of opiates is when other drugs are also present, for instance, xanax (not saying that P was on xanax). Having the complete ME report would answer a lot of questions, but I'm not holding my breath on that one. If it ever comes out, it be after the criminal investigation has been completed.
I do not understand why people keep discounting the fact that he was 57!!! I am not yet 50 and at the end of the day I am tired as hell. I am not running, jumping or traveling I am just sitting at a desk. People who worked with him said he could put in 100 hours a week. I also think he may have had arthritis which can be extremly painful. He was trying to keep up with young girls and maintain a rock star image any of these things could have drove him to pain killers which apparently make the pain exactly worst.
I am probably the same age. I think sitting at a desk makes you really tired. Keeping active gives you energy - the more I do the more energy I have. My parents are 70 and are still active all day - more active than I am because they don't work and have the time to exercise all day.
Arthiritis can be extremely painful - however people are usually quite limited in mobility by the time they get to extreme pain. However a freind I go to the gym with has mild arthritis and exercise helps - no pain killers used. It runs in the family and those that don't exercise suffer much more. Chicken or egg I don't know.
This is not a normal event to die from pain relief from hip pain or arthritis at 57 - both of which must have come on very rapidly as he was moving around very well only recently. Do you know anyone else this has happened to due to arthritis or hip pain (both very common) - even in people trying to carry on working through the pain?
Having flu for months and dying of it suddenly in an elevator is not normal for an active healthy person either but many tried to normalise that too. Those that I know that have died of flu complications had underlying health issues (if technically healthy at the time) and they caught pnemonia and were hospitalised beforehand.
You can have rumathoid arthiritis which can put you in a wheel chair. There is medication for it but the meds destroy your immune system and people have died because of the medication.
He may have had flu sythoms due to withdrawals. They say these withdrawals can go on for as long a year and people have died from the withdrawals.
I hope if the family does ever release the full autopsy report that it says absolutely nothing that we don't already know as fact, so everyone clamoring for it and expecting P to have some other disease can shutup.
Perhaps you should just ignore those posts and move along to something else? Why bother wasting your time over things that apparently annoy you?
There's no way to know who is telling the truth and who isn't, so as much as you might think there's nothing else there, there could very well be a lot there. Remember, that public report isn't a death certificate, no matter how many people keep referring to it as such. There are people who want to know more...that's just how it is.
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I am probably the same age. I think sitting at a desk makes you really tired. Keeping active gives you energy - the more I do the more energy I have. My parents are 70 and are still active all day - more active than I am because they don't work and have the time to exercise all day.
Arthiritis can be extremely painful - however people are usually quite limited in mobility by the time they get to extreme pain. However a freind I go to the gym with has mild arthritis and exercise helps - no pain killers used. It runs in the family and those that don't exercise suffer much more. Chicken or egg I don't know.
This is not a normal event to die from pain relief from hip pain or arthritis at 57 - both of which must have come on very rapidly as he was moving around very well only recently. Do you know anyone else this has happened to due to arthritis or hip pain (both very common) - even in people trying to carry on working through the pain?
Having flu for months and dying of it suddenly in an elevator is not normal for an active healthy person either but many tried to normalise that too. Those that I know that have died of flu complications had underlying health issues (if technically healthy at the time) and they caught pnemonia and were hospitalised beforehand.
You can have rumathoid arthiritis which can put you in a wheel chair. There is medication for it but the meds destroy your immune system and people have died because of the medication.
He may have had flu sythoms due to withdrawals. They say these withdrawals can go on for as long a year and people have died from the withdrawals.
He didn't have rheumatoid arthritis because he was quick on his feet and played the piano so well just before he died. With swollen, stiff, inflamed joints this wouldn't have happened.
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Withdrawal from the lowest doses would be quick.
A long withdrawal period would indicate a taper which is done to avoid the most severe withdrawal symptoms from high doses. If P had been withdrawing for months he should have been down to a fairly low dose and fairly stable to be doing the concerts - then why the sudden OD followed by another sudden OD? You only OD if taking much more than prescribed/messing with the patches.
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It is all very confusing. I can't make sense of the information they have put out so far.
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The symptoms on the plane don't sound like these either:
"the signs of fentanyl overdose including the following:
Trouble breathing or slow or shallow breathing
Slow heartbeat; severe sleepiness
Cold, clammy skin
Trouble walking or talking
Feeling faint, dizzy, or confused.
If these signs occur, patients or their caregivers should get medical attention right away."
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I am not drawing any conclusions until they release more information.
I am probably the same age. I think sitting at a desk makes you really tired. Keeping active gives you energy - the more I do the more energy I have. My parents are 70 and are still active all day - more active than I am because they don't work and have the time to exercise all day.
Arthiritis can be extremely painful - however people are usually quite limited in mobility by the time they get to extreme pain. However a freind I go to the gym with has mild arthritis and exercise helps - no pain killers used. It runs in the family and those that don't exercise suffer much more. Chicken or egg I don't know.
This is not a normal event to die from pain relief from hip pain or arthritis at 57 - both of which must have come on very rapidly as he was moving around very well only recently. Do you know anyone else this has happened to due to arthritis or hip pain (both very common) - even in people trying to carry on working through the pain?
Having flu for months and dying of it suddenly in an elevator is not normal for an active healthy person either but many tried to normalise that too. Those that I know that have died of flu complications had underlying health issues (if technically healthy at the time) and they caught pnemonia and were hospitalised beforehand.
You can have rumathoid arthiritis which can put you in a wheel chair. There is medication for it but the meds destroy your immune system and people have died because of the medication.
He may have had flu sythoms due to withdrawals. They say these withdrawals can go on for as long a year and people have died from the withdrawals.
He didn't have rheumatoid arthritis because he was quick on his feet and played the piano so well just before he died. With swollen, stiff, inflamed joints this wouldn't have happened.
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Withdrawal from the lowest doses would be quick.
A long withdrawal period would indicate a taper which is done to avoid the most severe withdrawal symptoms from high doses. If P had been withdrawing for months he should have been down to a fairly low dose and fairly stable to be doing the concerts - then why the sudden OD followed by another sudden OD? You only OD if taking much more than prescribed/messing with the patches.
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It is all very confusing. I can't make sense of the information they have put out so far.
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The symptoms on the plane don't sound like these either:
"the signs of fentanyl overdose including the following:
Trouble breathing or slow or shallow breathing
Slow heartbeat; severe sleepiness
Cold, clammy skin
Trouble walking or talking
Feeling faint, dizzy, or confused.
If these signs occur, patients or their caregivers should get medical attention right away."
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I am not drawing any conclusions until they release more information.
-/-/-/// I did not say he had RA for sure we really are just speculating. I know KSPT out Minneapolis reported that they found this Y499 drug in his system which is a pain killer that is not illegal and can be brought over the Internet and has been found to have Fentanyl in it however, this came from an unnamed source and has not been picked up by any other news agencies so it could be B.S. [Edited 7/21/16 1:05am]
You can have rumathoid arthiritis which can put you in a wheel chair. There is medication for it but the meds destroy your immune system and people have died because of the medication.
He may have had flu sythoms due to withdrawals. They say these withdrawals can go on for as long a year and people have died from the withdrawals.
He didn't have rheumatoid arthritis because he was quick on his feet and played the piano so well just before he died. With swollen, stiff, inflamed joints this wouldn't have happened.
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Withdrawal from the lowest doses would be quick.
A long withdrawal period would indicate a taper which is done to avoid the most severe withdrawal symptoms from high doses. If P had been withdrawing for months he should have been down to a fairly low dose and fairly stable to be doing the concerts - then why the sudden OD followed by another sudden OD? You only OD if taking much more than prescribed/messing with the patches.
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It is all very confusing. I can't make sense of the information they have put out so far.
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The symptoms on the plane don't sound like these either:
"the signs of fentanyl overdose including the following:
Trouble breathing or slow or shallow breathing
Slow heartbeat; severe sleepiness
Cold, clammy skin
Trouble walking or talking
Feeling faint, dizzy, or confused.
If these signs occur, patients or their caregivers should get medical attention right away."
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I am not drawing any conclusions until they release more information.
I know many people have said that this fentanyl thing must have been recent because he was getting around good and what Judith described per Dr. Drew did not sound like a pain med overdose but a seizure.
You can have rumathoid arthiritis which can put you in a wheel chair. There is medication for it but the meds destroy your immune system and people have died because of the medication.
He may have had flu sythoms due to withdrawals. They say these withdrawals can go on for as long a year and people have died from the withdrawals.
He didn't have rheumatoid arthritis because he was quick on his feet and played the piano so well just before he died. With swollen, stiff, inflamed joints this wouldn't have happened.
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Withdrawal from the lowest doses would be quick.
A long withdrawal period would indicate a taper which is done to avoid the most severe withdrawal symptoms from high doses. If P had been withdrawing for months he should have been down to a fairly low dose and fairly stable to be doing the concerts - then why the sudden OD followed by another sudden OD? You only OD if taking much more than prescribed/messing with the patches.
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It is all very confusing. I can't make sense of the information they have put out so far.
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The symptoms on the plane don't sound like these either:
"the signs of fentanyl overdose including the following:
Trouble breathing or slow or shallow breathing
Slow heartbeat; severe sleepiness
Cold, clammy skin
Trouble walking or talking
Feeling faint, dizzy, or confused.
If these signs occur, patients or their caregivers should get medical attention right away."
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I am not drawing any conclusions until they release more information.
Andrew Kornfield stated in a CNN op ed story that if a person quits taking an opiod cold turkey and starts taking the dose that they were taking before going cold turkey, that they would not have as high a tolerance as before, and that could result in an OD or death. He didn't say that he was talking specifically about Prince, but I gathered that he was telling us what happened in a round about way.
He didn't have rheumatoid arthritis because he was quick on his feet and played the piano so well just before he died. With swollen, stiff, inflamed joints this wouldn't have happened.
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Withdrawal from the lowest doses would be quick.
A long withdrawal period would indicate a taper which is done to avoid the most severe withdrawal symptoms from high doses. If P had been withdrawing for months he should have been down to a fairly low dose and fairly stable to be doing the concerts - then why the sudden OD followed by another sudden OD? You only OD if taking much more than prescribed/messing with the patches.
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It is all very confusing. I can't make sense of the information they have put out so far.
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The symptoms on the plane don't sound like these either:
"the signs of fentanyl overdose including the following:
Trouble breathing or slow or shallow breathing
Slow heartbeat; severe sleepiness
Cold, clammy skin
Trouble walking or talking
Feeling faint, dizzy, or confused.
If these signs occur, patients or their caregivers should get medical attention right away."
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I am not drawing any conclusions until they release more information.
Andrew Kornfield stated in a CNN op ed story that if a person quits taking an opiod cold turkey and starts taking the dose that they were taking before going cold turkey, that they would not have as high a tolerance as before, and that could result in an OD or death. He didn't say that he was talking specifically about Prince, but I gathered that he was telling us what happened in a round about way.
Yes, exactly. I think this is what may have been happening/happened to Prince. I found this website that states pretty well what happens when someone tries to withdraw on their own:
"Withdrawal from fentanyl without medically-assisted detox is not only very uncomfortable, but also potentially dangerous for the fentanyl user. Given the high risk of relapse for opioid users, fentanyl poses a particular risk due to its sheer strength. In withdrawal, tolerance levels drop so that the addicted person who relapses on the same doses that he or she reached before withdrawal can administer a fatal dose resulting in respiratory failure and death."
And yes, he was seeking medical attention from Dr. Schulenberg, but that was for his concerns about the "withdrawal symptoms." I don't think Dr. Schulenberg was assisting in an actual detox. Really, I think Prince was trying on his own for the most part and having a rough time of it.
Strangers do not need to know such intimate details on the heels of such a tragic event...I'm not even going to touch that this was given to The New York Times.
Just because Judith was not aware of it, does not mean that Prince was not in pain. He was an old dude trying to get a young chick, so he wouldn't be telling her about his aches and pains.
Lol.....she also seems to have upgraded her website in a big way. And right after this story broke too. Hmmmmmmmmmm........
Maybe she had a tour to promote and she used the interview to do.. I really hope thats not the case..
Lol.....she also seems to have upgraded her website in a big way. And right after this story broke too. Hmmmmmmmmmm........
Maybe she had a tour to promote and she used the interview to do.. I really hope thats not the case..
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That's not how it happened. The New York Times reached out to her, not the only way around -- and she didn't initially agree to talk.
Obviously, many knew who was on that plane. It wouldn't have taken a lot of sleuthing to figure it out. She was also with Prince when he performed in Washington DC last summer (the night after the White House event).
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if a person quits taking an opiod cold turkey and starts taking the dose that they were taking before going cold turkey, that they would not have as high a tolerance as before, and that could result in an OD or death. H
Yes, exactly. I think this is what may have been happening/happened to Prince. I found this website that states pretty well what happens when someone tries to withdraw on their own:
Yes, this could easily happen once if his previous dose was very high and he had kept the old medication around - but I can't imagine P doing this accidentally twice in a week. You would have to be very reckless to do this again after nearly dying from the same mistake earlier that week. Once - OK, you could see how that could happen easily. Twice so close together is just not adding up.
Yes, exactly. I think this is what may have been happening/happened to Prince. I found this website that states pretty well what happens when someone tries to withdraw on their own:
Yes, this could easily happen once if his previous dose was very high and he had kept the old medication around - but I can't imagine P doing this accidentally twice in a week. You would have to be very wreckless to do this again after nearly dying from the same mistake earlier that week. Once - OK, you could see how that could happen easily. Twice so close together is just not adding up.
You have just defined addiction. Imagine wanting to stop and not being able. It's a nightmare!
Yes, this could easily happen once if his previous dose was very high and he had kept the old medication around - but I can't imagine P doing this accidentally twice in a week. You would have to be very reckless to do this again after nearly dying from the same mistake earlier that week. Once - OK, you could see how that could happen easily. Twice so close together is just not adding up.
You have just defined addiction. Imagine wanting to stop and not being able. It's a nightmare!
Maybe, but only a small proportion of addicts die from an OD and those that do usually have very troubled histories (known to a lot of people) for a long time prior to the OD. Now maybe P's OD in the 90's was indication of some troubles, maybe not. It was a tragic year for him. However, unless I start to hear the classic tales of out of control drug use from this man then there are still too many questions to draw any conclusions.
You all do know that he had actually been seeing a doctor for opiate withdrawals for at least a few weeks before his death....and that's probably why he died.
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That is a bit too simplistic.
Especially a doctor that is treating a patient for opiate withdrawals (i.e.: he was a slave to the chemicals!) should have explained in a very clear and detailled manner what the treatment involves, what the risks are, etc. I.e. what the body responds like during the treatment.
If all is in a normal situation, then the drug Prince took, if it was part of the treatment but I doubt that, was prescribed in a way so that he would not overdose.
There is no communication about a prescription being found. (thus not clearing the doctor(s) from suspicion)
Maybe someone can explain if the fentanyl can be part of a opiate withdrawal treatment?
If it can't then we know that Prince either was not being treated for opiate withdrawals yet or that he took 'extra' stuff for whatever reason. (hip, recreational cravings, etc)
You know what? That's one constant that has not changed since he passed, that he had seen this Dr. for withdrawal symptoms. A few employees and associates have mentioned he had a flu for months which could also be really symptom for withdrawl. And people have overdosed on legitimate fentanyl presciptions. Worse case scenerio, a faulty patch. Google it, it has happened. There is not enough information to make any type of calls yet. Yep, this investigation is taking a very long time, so it's obviously not cut and dry. We still don't know the reasons why, so my guess is as good as yours. Red tape issues can hold up an investigation also.
I was instructed to use gloves when placing/handling Fentanyl patches to avoid it getting on my hands. [Edited 7/22/16 21:28pm]
sorry this has probably been answered somewhere, but could the fenantyl in whatever form have been left over from a prescription filled perhaps years ago for surgery, etc, and it was just something that P came across or remembered in a drawer or something and being unaware of its relative strength, just took to get through the night?
Definitely.
Patients headed to rehab often do exactly that. Stumble something that will get them through until they leave for rehab.
Remember that intervention TV show?
Remember how once they agree to go to rehab it's like, "Ok. The car to take you to rehab is outside. Let's go."
No time to do anything harmful. Period. [Edited 7/22/16 21:31pm]
[b] Tavis said he knew about Prince taking painkillers for some years now. I believe Lenny Kravitz when he said he knew immediately what went wrong after Prince's death.
I saw Tavis Smiley's interview, but I didn't know Lenny Kravitz had commented on what happened.
So what was the trip to the hospital the previous day about (I can't see the need to attend hospital for a blood test, surely they would just get a nurse in to take blood, so what was it for) and what were the non-opiod prescriptions he needed from Walgreens? I don't need answers to these questions as it was his private business. It does make me question the assumption that this was simply an addiction out of control.
[b] Tavis said he knew about Prince taking painkillers for some years now. I believe Lenny Kravitz when he said he knew immediately what went wrong after Prince's death.
I saw Tavis Smiley's interview, but I didn't know Lenny Kravitz had commented on what happened. Wow. Is that all he said?
This is from the day Prince passed. The whole video is interesting but the part referred to starts at 5:20
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That is true. But he shouldn't have been messing with Fentanyl for the kind of pain that can be so effectively hidden when there is a young woman around all day that she didn't notice any struggle and said he looked quick on his feet. I have known people trying to keep up a front at work all day with their hip pain - and so long as they take their painkillers and guard their hip movements and rest a lot they can keep going - but they are not moving like P was, or like they do after they have the op. If you were not watching out for the difference you might not notice - but everyone watched P. People would notice.
