Fiona2006 said:

laurarichardson said:

-- What else do you want her to say? She can only say what she knows and saw. I cannot imagine almost seeing your man die in front of you.

He was not "her man."

hahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahaha " her man"? really? REALLY?!

babynoz said:

Another well placed work of fiction imo.

panpac777 said:

And the zootopia Disney reference. Omg. Really? Unless she is hinting at him becoming a father. Wtf? Sexuality- We live in a world of a run by tourist. Tourist, 89 flowers on their back! Inventors of the acujack. What, no flash again? Leaders stand up organize! and they did today! Lady cab driver- this ones for the tourists at Disneyland. Reality or nightmare? Take your pick!

Um, sorry but how does wanting to watch an animated movie/Disney movie lead one to think she was hinting at him becoming a father?

What in the world?

Marta said:

morningsong said:

Back in 2011 she made a facebook comment that pretty much compared Prince to Charlie Sheen. And we all knew Charlie's drug issues back then. Then after she got some pretty bad feedback, she removed it and sort of apologized maybe, but it still sounded like she was implying Prince had a problem.

Thank you. ..I found it. "Hoping never to see prince on 20/20 doing a charlie sheen-esque rant. so sad." I guess she thought we all would know what she was talking about by osmosis. Yet..she "reached out" to him a few weeks before he died ..thank goodness, he didn't reach back) to let him know that she wanted to "build a school in his honor"..an she thought he would want to be involved in choosing a location (..and perhaps show his interest via his wallet. Oops..did I type that?! ..And or get him all attached to her ba-a-abies. ..Oops...again. The schools that she now has his fans funding under the guise of "honoring" him. ...Riding the wave while it's hot. Sorry ..kind of/sort of....that's jmvho. [Edited 6/22/16 22:34pm]

Makes me sick.

Marta said:

PeteSilas said:

i'm skeptical of all of them. Elvis had a lot of women claiming him too. some stripper in vegas, tura sutana, claimed to teach him his stage moves, even darlene love said elvis made a pass and said he'd never been with a black girl. truth is, elvis was with black girls before he was elvis.

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We recently watched the autopsy programme on Elvis. I was shocked he died of a heart attack. The night before he died he was up at 3 am playing racket ball. The media said it was a drugs overdose for ages. This is how the full autopsy can really shed light.

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Guess that will never happen with Prince.

Even though people he knew at certain times in his life were not around him at the end of his life, it will still affect them. I'm thinking of Wendy in particular, who lost a brother to an overdose. That's gotta be tough on her and Suzannah. And after P wrote a song about him, for him to succumb to similar circumstances, no wonder he distanced himself from certain people.

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The newbies were around him and he it sounds like no family were around much or at all.

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A very sad case overall.

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I know alot of musicians are on this site. Some of you may already be famous or about to be. I hope you take a page out of Prince's life and not go down the same path. Keep the right people around you at all times. And good luck. And be safe and healthy.

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The overdose, drug addicted musician story is so old and boring now.

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How about dying of old age for a change.

Dolphinking23 said:

In reading the Twitter messages of those in P's inner circle and protecting his privacy...that's why there are interventions and two, it is a way to keep one's conscience clear when doing nothing. He had a right to his privacy and to do whatever he wanted. I agree that we as the public really have no right to expect more information. However, the lack of action in the guise of privacy appears as an attempt to protect their own butts. I know there is nothing to say they didnt try to do anything, however there is nothing to suggest that they did either.

Fiona2006 said:

babynoz said:

I agree too.

Hell, Kiran and Damaris were nowhere to be found when he was in distress so they have no moral high ground to judge Ms. Hill. She didn't say anything inappropriate, they just feel convicted because of her candor.

He was not in touch with any of these catfight women his last few days. he attended a jazz concert at Dakota Grill the TUESDAY before he died with a couple of his band musicians plus Meron and Kirk. Judith went back to LA the Saturday they got back to Minnesota. Prince relationship with her was a working one even though it's obvious she had a crush on him. it was very kind of him to help her, as he did many others. [Edited 6/22/16 23:42pm]

Honestly, I think he had a huge crush on her too, though I agree with you that I don't think their relationship was more than a working one. I don't think we'll ever know for sure - I like Judith, she obviously made Prince happy and he liked having her around, plus she's very talented too.

I'm with those who say this was publicity for Ms. Hill. She speaks two months after his death now that she has a concert scheduled.

Some of the women close to him really seemed to care for/love him, but many or most of the woman around him seemed like they were trying to ride the P train to stardom.

Not a single one of his female/girlfriend proteges was a standout talent. JH is a very good singer, but she sounds like a backup singer imo.

I've wondered even if Manuela was a call girl when they met. The only reference I've read to her past life is she was a "businesswoman." A 24-year-old businesswoman... what did she write an important computer program or start a retail chain or...?

No disrespect intended, we're all free to make a living how we want or need to.

Cynical but my $.2

Prince was a gentleman. He treated women in a manner that it sure must have been impossible not to fall in love with the guy. And he felt love for all of them, whether it was platonic, sexual or simply a strong emotional link. That was who he was, in my eyes. He must have been really caring towards all of them, that's why nobdy has a bad word to speak about him. So it comes as no surprise that so many of these women are conveying these types of sentiments. I'm sure they all shared amazing moments with him, you can see it in their eyes when they speak of him. For instance, Ana Moura doesn't comes across as someone who was romantically involved with him, in the sense that she never hints at it, but you can tell they shared a very close friendship. Prince always said he felt better around women.

NinaB said:

MrNelson7 said:

OK, somebody needs to explain the penguin girl to me. Direct me to the thread!

I think that thread was deleted. It was some girl on twitter who went on about being his secret girlfriend. Let's just say she was special.

She's on twitter - jeannettelovesu - her bio says "to the world he was Prince, to me he was Penguin".

According to her Twitter, and she's been posting ALOT, they were dating.

She won't back it up with evidence (pictures etc) just says Prince's close "confidante" knows - which I assume is Kirky J??????

clairew1975 said:

NinaB said:

MrNelson7 said: I think that thread was deleted. It was some girl on twitter who went on about being his secret girlfriend. Let's just say she was special.

She's on twitter - jeannettelovesu - her bio says "to the world he was Prince, to me he was Penguin".

According to her Twitter, and she's been posting ALOT, they were dating.

She won't back it up with evidence (pictures etc) just says Prince's close "confidante" knows - which I assume is Kirky J??????

Is that the girl who, 2 days after his shocking passing, was all excited on twitter over some chocolate flavoured new icecream or whatever? Please...

MMJas said:

clairew1975 said:

She's on twitter - jeannettelovesu - her bio says "to the world he was Prince, to me he was Penguin".

According to her Twitter, and she's been posting ALOT, they were dating.

She won't back it up with evidence (pictures etc) just says Prince's close "confidante" knows - which I assume is Kirky J??????

Is that the girl who, 2 days after his shocking passing, was all excited on twitter over some chocolate flavoured new icecream or whatever? Please...

Yep, that's the one......she literally posted they were dating days after the news broke. She's mentioning P (or penguin lol) every single damn day in one way or another *sigh*

Well, the infamous C.J. of BJB immortality (and the Minneapolis Star Tribune) added Judith Hill to her list of people who should have been sticking to Prince "like glue" after the Moline incident. I don't disagree with her.

MMJas said:

Prince was a gentleman. He treated women in a manner that it sure must have been impossible not to fall in love with the guy. And he felt love for all of them, whether it was platonic, sexual or simply a strong emotional link. That was who he was, in my eyes. He must have been really caring towards all of them, that's why nobdy has a bad word to speak about him. So it comes as no surprise that so many of these women are conveying these types of sentiments. I'm sure they all shared amazing moments with him, you can see it in their eyes when they speak of him. For instance, Ana Moura doesn't comes across as someone who was romantically involved with him, in the sense that she never hints at it, but you can tell they shared a very close friendship. Prince always said he felt better around women.

I agree : you can't blame a woman for having a crush on this man. If he told you "I love you", wouldn't you think you had something special going on ?

However, it looks as if Prince was very generous when it came to love It's pretty hard to imagine he's supposed to have been romantically involved with every person he said "I love you" to, considering, for instance, the fact that he also wrote "I love U" in a letter to a male journalist/writer...

the world loved prince, and i think the world could have saved him. if all these people who have the need to tell us how close they were to him, had gone to the press with the problem, i think he would still be here. regardless of the reason prince was taking drugs, he needed help, and according to judy he wanted it. like lots of people that have a drug problem, it is the secret that is the fuel to the fire. i believe if there had been one person that really loved the man prince, like they say they did, they would have forsaken themselves, their position with him, and their job, and what he could do for them, and let the entire world know, i love this person enough to do the one thing that will more than likely end my relationship with him, and save him...the world would have saved him. the secret destroyed, the terror and shame of that information getting out, all gone...i believe that the people from around the world, that would 100% would know how to help him, would have been there immediatley if they had know... i feel like the secret killed him. and i also find judy's comment about him trying to get back into his body so personal and sacred, that i can not believe she would say that to the press, talk about a breach of confidence... prince had a problem and ever person in his life failed him...and it is really hard no to be super mad at each and everyone of them.

rogifan said:

RachB65 said:

There are some terrible comments left on that story, many of them scoffing the NYT for even running the article...The cruelty being directed at Prince, Judith and the article being on the site/paper is depressing as hell. Ive spent over an hour replying to some of the ignorant people who spewed their shit. But its a losing battle..every time i go back to the site there are more mean words. Such BS

You should know never to even open the comments section on news articles. It's the absolute worst of the internet. The NYT shouldn't have even allowed comments on that article.

I agree with you. I try to refrain from reading comments on news articles. If the comments are reflective of the state of the world, it is a scary world out there.

nursev said:

He hid it cause he was a perfectionist

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Oh for crying out loud, dude was NOT a perfectionist.

flipper1960 said:

the world loved prince, and i think the world could have saved him. if all these people who have the need to tell us how close they were to him, had gone to the press with the problem, i think he would still be here. regardless of the reason prince was taking drugs, he needed help, and according to judy he wanted it. like lots of people that have a drug problem, it is the secret that is the fuel to the fire. i believe if there had been one person that really loved the man prince, like they say they did, they would have forsaken themselves, their position with him, and their job, and what he could do for them, and let the entire world know, i love this person enough to do the one thing that will more than likely end my relationship with him, and save him...the world would have saved him. the secret destroyed, the terror and shame of that information getting out, all gone...i believe that the people from around the world, that would 100% would know how to help him, would have been there immediatley if they had know... i feel like the secret killed him. and i also find judy's comment about him trying to get back into his body so personal and sacred, that i can not believe she would say that to the press, talk about a breach of confidence... prince had a problem and ever person in his life failed him...and it is really hard no to be super mad at each and everyone of them.

I agree with you totally.

“He wasn’t dreary or drowsy, or anything,” she said. The mood was peaceful, and Prince seemed like his old self. “He wanted to watch ‘Zootopia,’” the animated movie. “He loved those films. I was going to pull it up on my phone. He said: ‘No, no, no, not here. We’re going to pick a special time and place to watch that.’”

Damn,..That part really got me.
I only saw bits of that movie just the other day ago..guess i'll have to rewatch again while trying not to think of this quote.

It just makes me wonder of what he would've thought of Finding Dory if he were still alive today.

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BartVanHemelen said:

nursev said:

He hid it cause he was a perfectionist

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Oh for crying out loud, dude was NOT a perfectionist.

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Perfectionist if you would ask him.

NOT if you observe the facts.

ForeverPaisley said:

panpac777 said:

And the zootopia Disney reference. Omg. Really? Unless she is hinting at him becoming a father. Wtf? Sexuality- We live in a world of a run by tourist. Tourist, 89 flowers on their back! Inventors of the acujack. What, no flash again? Leaders stand up organize! and they did today! Lady cab driver- this ones for the tourists at Disneyland. Reality or nightmare? Take your pick!

Um, sorry but how does wanting to watch an animated movie/Disney movie lead one to think she was hinting at him becoming a father?

What in the world?

^ This so much.

Like, You don't HAVE to become a father to watch these films like ??????????? anybody can watch these films regardless how old you are really.

It's just like how older people still judge millenials (like myself) who still watch animated movies that only suppose to 'aim' at children mindset.

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One thing that I will add. Clearly there were alot of 'yes' type people around him. All of his lfe. And those that were more 'maybe' are gone. I have never had to intervene to save someone from a drug issue, so I have no experience in that. It is VERY easy for us all to sit here and be armchair analysts of what 'should' be done. I was wondering if anyone here has personally had to do that....

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What makes anyone think that any of these yes people, or those infatuated or whatever, acutally knew how to help him and stick by him, assuming it was drug related. And sure maybe an EX GF or friend may have known what addiction or illness (if that was it. and not a total drug issue) that he had. However, as time moves on.some of them are not around him on a day to day level to even intervene, IF they knew how to.

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Maybe they really all did the best that they could or knew how. None of them are doctors or shrinks or counselors or whatever. Maybe some of them don't even have a decent IQ. Who knows. Once the moment got critical and calls were made, they must have thought 'all is on the right track' with Docs in place and appointments. IMO even if accidental (if drugs), how can pepple really blame the the 'addict''s inner cirle friends for the addict taking the drugs?? Unless of course, they are sourcing the drugs for that person.

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At the end of the day, it is really one person who did this to himself-It was Prince and sure accidental (if drugs). But I just think to blame others is crazy. None of us were in that life, circle. You cannot condemn another person or blame them for their feelings and how they expressed them--in this case Judith. Would I personally have gone into such detail for the NYT? No, but I am a quiet, private person. Am I personally glad to have read the article.? Sure. If she is telling the truth I appreciate the story. I'm not gossipping about it. It is what it is.At the end of the day I'm very sad to have lost my fav artist and it is very saddening.

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As far as Judith comments and timings, and tours, maybe this is the first 'breath' she got to be able to talk about it. You know when you're busy or in shock, sometimes the timing of things just work out when it works out. Coincidence or not. Sure Prince was a private person, but maybe she or whomever talks never really was. I just feel there is no winner. If she spoke her heart, she said too much. If she said nothing, she is hiding things. And if it is a medical condition he had, how on Earth can others be blamed. I find it distasteful the other 'Prince women' on twitter bashing her, as they like to present themselves so high and mighty.

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And if this was all somehow related to a medical condition, then really how could they help...Again none of them are doctors. I am sure that none of them thought he was going to die.

>>For the record, I don't really know Judith's solo work and I am not a 'fan'. I saw her perform once at one of the shows and that is it. I don't know any of her songs. Ironcially she was playing the other night in my town. Perhaps I would have gone to the show had I realized before midnight, just to see her again and see what talent Prince liked so much about her. But I missed it.

1Sasha said:

Well, the infamous C.J. of BJB immortality (and the Minneapolis Star Tribune) added Judith Hill to her list of people who should have been sticking to Prince "like glue" after the Moline incident. I don't disagree with her.

I totally agree. No way I'd go away. Might not have been able to stay at PP, but would be close enough. I dunno, in retrospect it's all very easy to judge and say I'd do this and I wouldn't do that.

clairew1975 said:

MMJas said:

Is that the girl who, 2 days after his shocking passing, was all excited on twitter over some chocolate flavoured new icecream or whatever? Please...

Yep, that's the one......she literally posted they were dating days after the news broke. She's mentioning P (or penguin lol) every single damn day in one way or another *sigh*

OMG, just checked the account. That is some delusional banter...

MMJas said:

1Sasha said:

Well, the infamous C.J. of BJB immortality (and the Minneapolis Star Tribune) added Judith Hill to her list of people who should have been sticking to Prince "like glue" after the Moline incident. I don't disagree with her.

I totally agree. No way I'd go away. Might not have been able to stay at PP, but would be close enough. I dunno, in retrospect it's all very easy to judge and say I'd do this and I wouldn't do that.

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I.e.: proper care could have prevented his death.

Appropriate understanding of his situation should have saved hime from death.

Even Judith did not know enough to press for proper care. That is what I read from the article about her experience on the plane with the Prince man.

Even she, perhaps no even is needed in her case, did not know how his situation was.

She had not enough context to fully comprehend, although she cared a lot.