This is what kills me about this whole situation. He had such tight control over his life til the end. Now, everything concerning him is completely out of control. People gossiping about his death, his estate, his heirs, his legacy. It really makes me sad.

Perhaps this is why there was not any arrangements in the way of a will or estate. Perhaps Prince thought what was the use, he had no control. Just speculating. I have no clue.

nelcp777 said:

This is what kills me about this whole situation. He had such tight control over his life til the end. Now, everything concerning him is completely out of control. People gossiping about his death, his estate, his heirs, his legacy. It really makes me sad.

Perhaps this is why there was not any arrangements in the way of a will or estate. Perhaps Prince thought what was the use, he had no control. Just speculating. I have no clue.

Yeah, I kind of felt that way too.

endiadj said:

lastdecember said:

Well I think what some are hitting on here is the fact of Privacy and Control. PRINCE always had that and now he was going to really be losing it. Someone who really never had scandals and things like that all of a sudden "has an addiction problem" that thrusts him into a whole new world, one that he is not familar with and all of a sudden THE MUSIC that he wants people to know him for will not be what he is known for.

This is what kills me about this whole situation. He had such tight control over his life til the end. Now, everything concerning him is completely out of control. People gossiping about his death, his estate, his heirs, his legacy. It really makes me sad.

isn't that the way things usually go though? yin to yang and yang to yin?

lastdecember said:

Well I think what some are hitting on here is the fact of Privacy and Control. PRINCE always had that and now he was going to really be losing it.

When someone dies, that's what happens. No person can control other people's speech, actions, etc. from beyond the grave. When any of us our gone, those who are living are free to make their own choices. That's how it goes for ALL of us, even celebrities.

Now, if he had thoughts about what he wanted to have happen after he died, he could have left a will or other document/instructions that could at least give direction to some things. He chose not to, for reasons we don't know. So that one chance for after-death control was gone, by his choice.

And ultimately no one would have cared if he received treatment because all anyone would have wanted was for him to be healthy and happy and ALIVE! If he never offered another new song to us that would have been fine - just be walking the planet. We could not have asked for more.

1Sasha said:

And ultimately no one would have cared if he received treatment because all anyone would have wanted was for him to be healthy and happy and ALIVE! If he never offered another new song to us that would have been fine - just be walking the planet. We could not have asked for more.

Well some would have been screaming to the rafters about why he wasn't putting out more stuff. But who gives a damn. I'd of preferred the person, just to pop up every once in a while. But I know he had his reasons. I'm annoyed as heck, but honestly I know he had his own plan, so technically I'll deal.

nelcp777 said:

This is what kills me about this whole situation. He had such tight control over his life til the end. Now, everything concerning him is completely out of control. People gossiping about his death, his estate, his heirs, his legacy. It really makes me sad.

Perhaps this is why there was not any arrangements in the way of a will or estate. Perhaps Prince thought what was the use, he had no control. Just speculating. I have no clue.

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He would have had control where his money went. I suspect he would want Judith to have some, rather than what went to his half brother that he probalby didn't talk to for the last 40 years, if ever.

disch said:

lastdecember said:

Well I think what some are hitting on here is the fact of Privacy and Control. PRINCE always had that and now he was going to really be losing it.

When someone dies, that's what happens. No person can control other people's speech, actions, etc. from beyond the grave. When any of us our gone, those who are living are free to make their own choices. That's how it goes for ALL of us, even celebrities.

Now, if he had thoughts about what he wanted to have happen after he died, he could have left a will or other document/instructions that could at least give direction to some things. He chose not to, for reasons we don't know. So that one chance for after-death control was gone, by his choice.

Even if he called for control in a will having people shut up is really not a "realistic" demand even paying them off. I mean Freddie Mercury had his band cover up the fact he had aids for over a year while he clearly was dieing, but even people working for Freddie who were told and signed to be silent sold stories off for more money. The only real thing he could control was what happened with money music rights etc..and honestly PRINCE was not on that ride, whether he thought he wouldnt die, or he just felt as he said "money has no meaning when said and done". The funny thing is that fighting after death over money seems to always stem from a WILL being written because people contest everything, and ask why this or that. Do you think if Prince wrote a will and left everything to Hannah and Judith no one would be in court?? To be honest if he did, I think we'd already be in court. Inxs front man Michael Hutchence had a 30 million dollar estate and court costs to fight family members in lawsuits over HIS wishes basically took all that money. SO will's are almost useless especially when you got money

lastdecember said:

disch said:

When someone dies, that's what happens. No person can control other people's speech, actions, etc. from beyond the grave. When any of us our gone, those who are living are free to make their own choices. That's how it goes for ALL of us, even celebrities.

Now, if he had thoughts about what he wanted to have happen after he died, he could have left a will or other document/instructions that could at least give direction to some things. He chose not to, for reasons we don't know. So that one chance for after-death control was gone, by his choice.

Even if he called for control in a will having people shut up is really not a "realistic" demand even paying them off. I mean Freddie Mercury had his band cover up the fact he had aids for over a year while he clearly was dieing, but even people working for Freddie who were told and signed to be silent sold stories off for more money. The only real thing he could control was what happened with money music rights etc..and honestly PRINCE was not on that ride, whether he thought he wouldnt die, or he just felt as he said "money has no meaning when said and done". The funny thing is that fighting after death over money seems to always stem from a WILL being written because people contest everything, and ask why this or that. Do you think if Prince wrote a will and left everything to Hannah and Judith no one would be in court?? To be honest if he did, I think we'd already be in court. Inxs front man Michael Hutchence had a 30 million dollar estate and court costs to fight family members in lawsuits over HIS wishes basically took all that money. SO will's are almost useless especially when you got money

Interesting point.

endiadj said:

I actually can see why the investigation is going on and on.This death has more twists and turns then a ____________.

FlyOnTheWall said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

This point you made is being overlooked. Yes if Prince all of a sudden was talking to Judith on the plane and then he passed out, and she then said Kirk and her informed the pilot to land. Then he was given Narcan before going to the hospital. That is very telling that either Kirk or Judith, or both of them, knew exactly what he was taking. Very interesting..

Several medical professionals here have indicated that this shot is automatically given when someone is unresponsive and there is no sign of stroke or other trauma. Apparently, it will cause no harm if there are no opioids in the system.

Good to know...thank you for correcting the assumption I made.

laytonian said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

Kirk did one tv interview early on that I know of where he said he never saw Prince take anything and he packed his bags daily so he said if he was taking something he would have seen it. So he was backing up Prince that he was not abusing anything.

That wasn't Kirk. That was Romeo, the bodyguard who took vacation right after the plane incident.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/health/prince-bodyguard-speaks/

Yes. From 'people.com' (from May 17, 2016):

Prince's longtime bodyguard is firmly challenging reports that the singer was addicted to prescription painkillers at the time of his death – despite DEA involvement in the police investigation.

Chris "Romeo" Gaither, who began working for Prince in 2012, told CNNoutside of an invite-only memorial for the iconic star at the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall in Hopkins, Minnesota, on Sunday, that "if anybody had an addiction that would be something you would see."

"I packed this man's bag on the daily. I have been on tour with him for months," he said, adding of any possible problem with painkillers, "That would be something that you would know. That would be something that would show not only through his actions ... but through moments when he thinks people were not looking."

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

BlackandRising said:

He told her: “‘I had to fight for my life. I remember hearing your voices from afar and saying to myself, ‘Follow the voices, follow the voices, get back in your body, you gotta to do this.’ And he said it was the hardest thing he’d ever done, to get back into his body like that.”

What do yall think someone might be going through, hearing that from Prince, and then his dying a few days later?

this part of the article was somewhat comforting to me because i have heard of and read of several similar situations where a person has a near death experience and then returns for a few days and then passes on, without any drugs being involved. So this helped me fit prince's story into a deeper archetypal "nde followed soon by transition" experience that seems to happen in all kinds of diverse situations.

That's an interesting point, especially since he comes out and says "wait a few days" before wasting any prayers

vandeluca said:

Epilepsy is such a tricky condition they don't fully understand. It is one of those things...It can ALWAYS come back decades later. They tell you you are cured..but I don't think it ever really is. I never tust it.

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There are seizures triggers such as lack of sleep, stress, drugs, alchohol that can make one more prone to a seizure (if you have epilspsy). Most important, people think seizures are just shaking...they are not. They can be eye fixation, eye deviation, lip smacking, etc. All kinds of odd behaviors like one is in a zone. And they can last a long time...

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I always wondered from the get go if his past epielpsy had something to do in all of this..I have never seen a person having an overdose, but I have seen people having seizures just like Judith described. I don't know though why Narcan would be invovled for a seiuzre...

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As far as being conscious or unconcious while getting off a plane--seizures take a ton of energy out of the body. Afterwards, the person is seemingly 'unconscious' and once that wears off, (they sleep it off) which can take a few hours, they can appear normal again....

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Personally, I would not be surprised if his death was related to both the opoid and somehow seizure issue intertwined. Seizure death doesn't usually make it in the autopsy report..

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

thanks for adding this. i wonder what other conditions have this reaction. i recall one interview about an angel healing prince's childhood epilepsy, i wonder if it had ever returned.

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Amen...I have had a seizure that put me straight down, out like a light, as an adult. Completely out of nowhere. I do have to say that I don't recall hearing anyone or anything going on around me. Don't even remember it all, honestly. But everyone's experience is different and people can die from a seizure. It is a disruption of your bodies electrical system. Your heart can stop. That's why the "7" video always freaked me out a little--like going down in a seizure!

nelcp777 said:

destinyc1 said:

I actually can see why the investigation is going on and on.This death has more twists and turns then a ____________.

Yep.

I still don't get/understand the PAIN thing.

MJ sufferend from Burned/Pepsi Commercial, Bridge Collapse on stage on his back HIstoryTour, and Vitiligo and Lupas.

I know why he is not here now and even still that was murder.

Prince...DOES NOT COMPUTE!

He had hip surgery from the autopsy report.

Plus it is only hip pain, not back pain or burn pain.

I just don't buy any of this.

No Disrespect but It will never COMPUTE 4 me!

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NinaB said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

WHY would his family agree to release the full autopsy report????? As a society, we have just begun to feel ENTITLED to people's personal medical records. No matter what, Prince is gone. He is not coming back. I think everyone just needs to settle down. I understand that we are all still reeling from his sudden passing, but all this speculation and finger-pointing is just sullying his legacy...and distracting us from the most important thing right now: PROTECTING PRINCE'S MUSICAL LEGACY AND PRESERVING PAISLEY PARK.

Thing is it ain't gonna settle down tho is it. Think it's bad in here? (With folks who love him 2 one degree or another). Wait till the world out there starts making trash documentaries etc. If the facts remain sparse into the long term future, they'll be making up all kinds of rubbish for decades 2 come.

The facts, as we know them, are that Prince died of an opiate overdose. That puts him in league with Jimi Hendrix, Elvis, MJ, etc. It's very, very sad, heartbreaking even, but it is a "typical" rock star death. That would have been the end if P had left a will...unless the autopsy report were somehow leaked. I pray that doesn't happen. If so, things could get really ugly. Just think back to when MJ's autopsy report was released, which is how things are done in Cali. There were pictures of his corpse floating around, without a wig, and all kinds of private details were laid out in painstaking detail, every scar, you name it. Do you really want that for our beloved Prince?

endiadj said:

I hope he got to see Zootopia, and I hope he enjoyed. I might check out the movie in his honor.

Yup. I'm going to check it out, too. One last posthumous plug for Prince.

No one is talking about how Judith would not say if she tapped that shit.

SMART GIRL, this one, given the rumours. That might not be a list to have your name on at this time. I saw a Judith Hill poster in the mall today and I just smiled. I was a fan when she was with MJ, I watch 20 Feet from Stardom on the regular because Lisa Fisher was always my favorite Luther Vandross singer and Judith is amzing in that. I just love Judith is everything she does really.

As for Prince's harem chirpping about, ahem, 'respecting Prince's privacy', lol... I suspect there are those waiting for Prince's estate to settle, so they know who to shake down for money for the privilege of 'respecting Prince's privacy' going forward. Judith telling tales for free and they don't like that.

anangellooksdown said:

I think she is really hurting. And I think Kirk is hurting more than anyone. I can't think of a single reason to be beating that guy up. For God's sake...you can't save people. Re Moline: He did not stay the 24 hours the hospital suggested. He still left early. And I still am curious as to whether or not Prince was given instructions about further opioid use before discharge. I have felt since April 21 that Prince was pushing himself too hard. The thought I had was, "Ya gotta take care of yourself on that business. He might've felt he ha so much to do and accomplish... It's also interesting how many you young women seem to have been his last girlfriend. Honest to gosh, I can't keep em all straight

King Solomon

Marta said:

laytonian said:

That wasn't Kirk. That was Romeo, the bodyguard who took vacation right after the plane incident.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/health/prince-bodyguard-speaks/

Yes. From 'people.com' (from May 17, 2016):

Prince's longtime bodyguard is firmly challenging reports that the singer was addicted to prescription painkillers at the time of his death – despite DEA involvement in the police investigation.

Chris "Romeo" Gaither, who began working for Prince in 2012, told CNNoutside of an invite-only memorial for the iconic star at the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall in Hopkins, Minnesota, on Sunday, that "if anybody had an addiction that would be something you would see."

"I packed this man's bag on the daily. I have been on tour with him for months," he said, adding of any possible problem with painkillers, "That would be something that you would know. That would be something that would show not only through his actions ... but through moments when he thinks people were not looking."

Per the article, he didn't 'take vacation'... Prince 'sent him away, to home in TX, like he always did when he wanted to be alone'

FlyOnTheWall said:

jumanji2016 said:

rogifan said:

And he wasn't a young 57 either. Like an athlete there was a lot of wear and tear on that body.

!!! Man, when people on here want to debate whether he suffered from legitimate and severe pain, I keep wondering if they have brain damage. "I never saw him limping. It didn't show in his face. He appeared fine." WELL, DUH. HE'S NOT 'SUPPOSED' TO APPEAR TO BE IN PAIN. HE'S WAS A PERFORMER AND A DAMN GOOD ONE. THE SHOW MUST GO ON. Whitney Houston had a damn miscarriage on the set of The Bodyguard and went to back to work the next day. Just because we didn't 'see' something, it doesn't mean that it wasn't there or didn't happen. Jesus Jerome Christ. [Edited 6/22/16 10:14am]

Yeah, exactly. I am very good at not showing pain, and I am usually hurting all damn day every damn day. It's very easy to act like a person will always show pain, but if it's a chronic condition, trust me you just know how to get the fuck on with life without falling out. Prince was a tough man; it would likely have to be pretty damn severe before he showed anything.

lastdecember said:

laytonian said:

jokocur said:

Don't be hatin on me but I think being the private person that he is he may have had second thoughts about this whole rehab plan... He was a control freak ... No one can dispute that... And he always gave the appearance of being in control so that and the fact that he could have been dillusioned by his faith in God ... Like how did I turn into a drug addict... Could have lead him to say fuck it.. I just can't see him coming out of rehab or him given the appearance of being vulnerable to anything...plus the fact that Hill claims it was the hardest thing he ever did was fight his way back from this near death episode... Why would he play with fire alone... If he knew in his mind he would have been dead on that flight without people right next to him bringing him back from the brink of death.... Think about it...

Don't assume the two events are the same.

All we heard from the plane event was Percocet. He was unresponsive and in trouble, but obviously breathing. He'd have died on the plane in the time it took them to get to the Moline airport.

Fentanyl never came up until the cause of death was released.

I see it more as a "one last time before rehab" pain relief that went wrong.

he was unresponsive and in trouble the night he died and breathing for a while until there wasnt anyone there to help him then he became hypoxic and died same can happen with fentanyl or percocet...

panpac777 said:

I still don't get/understand the PAIN thing.

MJ sufferend from Burned/Pepsi Commercial, Bridge Collapse on stage on his back HIstoryTour, and Vitiligo and Lupas.

I know why he is not here now and even still that was murder.

Prince...DOES NOT COMPUTE!

He had hip surgery from the autopsy report.

Plus it is only hip pain, not back pain or burn pain.

I just don't buy any of this.

No Disrespect but It will never COMPUTE 4 me!

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I missed the lupus diagnosis, when did MJ say he had lupu?