omnithanos said:

I already posted this elsewhere but I think it fits here:"Somebody famous had a birthday today (the Queen) but all I saw was another full moon."The 22nd of April was both a full moon and the only PINK moon of the year as in "Under the Cherry Moon" (Robin Williams also died on a blood moon as did Jim Careys ex, all raving satanists) Prince's headed paper in that film showed the symbol for the demon baal and a 2/3 replica of the archway to the temple of baal was errected in Trafalgar Square and lit up blood red on the 19th of April this year, the first day of the 13 day pagan ritual festival of sacrifice, perfectly framing Nelson's Column (What's Prince's surname?) His character died in that film and there was a song about his character dying which mentions APRIL and was recorded on 21/4/85I would die 4(april) U(21) was a song about a messiah and historians say Jesus died on 4/21 The twin towers stood for 33 years, Jesus' age when he died, and Rockerfeller appeared on the cover of Newsweek on that same date again, 4/21/67, with his watch hands pointing to 9 and 11. Coincidently Rockerfeller's company AT&T chose the 911 number for the emergency services in 1968 AND the towers were perfectly framed by the Washington Arch. The twin towers were replaced by the one world tower which is 1776 feet tall and coincidently the Illuminati were said to have been formed in 1776 Then there was the famous Osama Bin Laden's gettin' ready to bomb riff in 1998 His place of death (Paisley Park) was officially opened on 9/11/87 and Revelations 9:11 reveals the name of the devil as Appolyon. What was the name of Prince's love interest in Purple Rain? Apollo was said to have been blinded in one eye hense we have one eye symbolism on practically every Prince album cover and he frequently wore an eye patch, Purple Rain tour, The Future single etc. And don't forget the 666 hand signs in the 1999 and Most Beautiful Girl videos The 1999 album cover upside down reads 666 Evil Eye hate U uses the symbol of the eye of horus or eye of lucifer Prince changed his name to a symbol which was an amalgamation of the eye of horus and another ancient symbol representing Appolyon He told Oprah he had someody else inside him since he was 5, remember the Family song "Possessed", Is that why he didn't like getting his photo taken? Was Boy Gregory a blood sacrifice? Prince was found dead in an elevator "All excited, don't know why, maybe it's cos we're all gonna die. When we do, what's it all for? Better live now before the grim reaper comes knocking on your door. Tell me are we gonna let the elevator bring us down... Prince goes up in an elevator in Cherry Moon to the sound of him screaming The first ever elevator was installed in New York on Broadway next to SPRING street which is next to PRINCE street He dies at 57 on the Queen's 90th birthday. 90-57=33 (Jesus' age when he died) Vanity also died at 57 The Queen's memorabilia was all coloured Purple for the day in question Everything lights up Purple but the white house forget to take down the easter rabbits (code for hoax as also seen in Bowie's Lazurus video) The Olympic torch was lit the same day with the high priestess saying a prayer to APOLLO then they released a DOVE. What was Prince's first no. 1 single called? Art Official Age is about how we live in the matrix, nothing is real Collonized Mind is about how there is only the illusion of choice Balltimore is about fake shootings used to create racial division Reflection is about mind transference "Our Bodies wear out but we can get another" Planet Earth is outright mockery White Caps mentions how Prince "the black butterfly" got his wings singed under the arch (of Baal) All just coincidence?

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Ok, I've seen this posted on other threads also. What I'd like to know is what do YOU make of all that?

jcurley said:

Poor Prince. Whatever the details one thing that sure killed him was his bloody mindedness and stubbornness. However without these traits he wouldn't be the utter gift he wad! RIP x

I don't think think that can be said for sure at all.

leadline said:

omnithanos said:

In reply to MMjas asking What I'd like to know is what do YOU make of all that? My resopnse is that I think he, like Michael Jackson and Bowie and practically everyone elce who's big on the music scene was an Illuminati puppet who sold his ssul for fame.

Nah, Prince doesn't fit the personality profile for that imo.

leadline said:

jcurley said:

leadline said:

Nah, Prince doesn't fit the personality profile for that imo.

God if Prince sold his soul for fame he didn't get enough back. The guy was the most awkward bugger in the industry. And the Illuminati doesn't exist.

Not awkward, unyielding, controlling might be a better words. It was his way or the highway, the way he recorded, how he conducted business, and, how he fought for his own and other artists rights. Nothing awkward about that to me.

leadline said:

jcurley said:

leadline said:

Not awkward, unyielding, controlling might be a better words. It was his way or the highway, the way he recorded, how he conducted business, and, how he fought for his own and other artists rights. Nothing awkward about that to me.

I agree, my point is if he was a puppet by some master he would seem the most awkward of puppets. I've always backed prince, I'm just talking from the perspective of someone who would wish to control him, and to be honest I think my angle was pretty obvious,

Obvious doesn't set in for me until after breakfast

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jpav said:

I've seen so many conspiracy theories here, so many people implying some hidden mystery, often alluding to something being "fishy", even with the coroner's report.

Prince's death was so many things: tragic, frustrating, sad, shocking, infuriating, but it isn't fishy.

He had years of chronic pain, became addicted to painkillers, was surrounded by yes men who enabled him, didn't believe he would die, and didn't stay in the hospital when he should have. He was alone most of the time and was alone when he died.

It's bad enough that we lost him. It magnifies the tragedy when people can't just allow reality to be what it is and not create a mystery that isn't there.

Mumio said:

JustErin said:

Mumio said: There are many pics of people on stage with him...nothing special about that. That's a normal Prince show - fans on stage dancing. Saw her FB. There are two pics that appear to show Prince on stage and neither show her "performing" with him. She comes off as a truly creepy obsessed fan living in a delusional world and nothing more. This is why she has been ignored here. Sad really. I feel sorry for people who are so desperate to be connected they make up these stories. [Edited 6/7/16 17:51pm]

Lol, you can think whatever you like my dear...but you are incorrect. You still aren't seeing everything there is to see and putting it together, but I'm done discussing this with you.

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If u have something to say why don't you just come out and say it instead of playing all this cryptic drive by bullshit?

Bluu said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Exactly! I've personally known people that got high off heroin and that shit is no joke, so if fentanyl is supposedly 50 times stronger than heroin, and the day he died wasn't the first time he'd taken it, how in the fuck was he functioning and how in the fuck did the people closest to him not know he was high as all hell? I'm saying it's fishy too.

I'm with you both on this. It's still not sitting right with me.... I still can't get past the shadiness that no will has turned up and the fact that his bodyguard and closest associates saw no indication of addiction or dependency. Not saying if there was a conspiracy or foul play or not, but I am saying I'm not satisfied that all questions have been asked, and all avenues have been investigated.

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With Prince's net worth upwards of $300,000,000 (last I checked) I don't put it past NOBODY to pay someone off or threaten someone into changing their story--including the coroner. There is some seriously seedy sh*t going on in the music business and Prince had to have made enemies over the years: waking other artists up to the exploitation by the big record companies with industry-friendly contracts and digital streaming rights, going toe-to-toe with WB in the '90s, winning his masters back in 2014, and cutting out the middle man to sell his music over the internet in late '90s/early 2000's when few (if any?) other artists were doing it at that time. He had to have cost the music industry some money with each of these acts of rebellion, and had to have pissed off some big cahunas. Prince spoke truth to power and was subversive and he had a significant audience by way of a multigenerational, multinational and multicultural fan base, meaning he had the power to influence the opinions of a lot of people through his music. The fentanyl is likely all there is to the story, but then Prince's story was extraordinary--and not without its adversities. I just want the assurance that the investigation was conducted as thoroughly as possible, with a full accounting of all available evidence and that those details fall into alignment.

I don't believe in what the tabloids publish. They first say one thing, they they up with another story. To know if Prince was taking drugs, they should have done the hair drug test - it would show wich drug and back to 2 years ago how often.If he was being poisened as some ppl presume, that would be shown as well. He wasn't killed. Prince is way to clever to be caught in his own house. With lots of securities guards and staying inside his vault no one would be able to reach him. His house has cameras everywhere. A close friend of him said that he never used the elevator and that he has no fear. His only fear was to die alone.Prince was too clever, he would know that taking more than he could (IF that was the case) he would die. He would have called someone to hold his hand...He left lots of songs as "codes" for the date of his "death". He decided to retire and live a normal life, simple like this!

omnithanos said:

I already posted this elsewhere but I think it fits here:"Somebody famous had a birthday today (the Queen) but all I saw was another full moon."The 22nd of April was both a full moon and the only PINK moon of the year as in "Under the Cherry Moon" (Robin Williams also died on a blood moon as did Jim Careys ex, all raving satanists) Prince's headed paper in that film showed the symbol for the demon baal and a 2/3 replica of the archway to the temple of baal was errected in Trafalgar Square and lit up blood red on the 19th of April this year, the first day of the 13 day pagan ritual festival of sacrifice, perfectly framing Nelson's Column (What's Prince's surname?) His character died in that film and there was a song about his character dying which mentions APRIL and was recorded on 21/4/85I would die 4(april) U(21) was a song about a messiah and historians say Jesus died on 4/21 The twin towers stood for 33 years, Jesus' age when he died, and Rockerfeller appeared on the cover of Newsweek on that same date again, 4/21/67, with his watch hands pointing to 9 and 11. Coincidently Rockerfeller's company AT&T chose the 911 number for the emergency services in 1968 AND the towers were perfectly framed by the Washington Arch. The twin towers were replaced by the one world tower which is 1776 feet tall and coincidently the Illuminati were said to have been formed in 1776 Then there was the famous Osama Bin Laden's gettin' ready to bomb riff in 1998 His place of death (Paisley Park) was officially opened on 9/11/87 and Revelations 9:11 reveals the name of the devil as Appolyon. What was the name of Prince's love interest in Purple Rain? Apollo was said to have been blinded in one eye hense we have one eye symbolism on practically every Prince album cover and he frequently wore an eye patch, Purple Rain tour, The Future single etc. And don't forget the 666 hand signs in the 1999 and Most Beautiful Girl videos The 1999 album cover upside down reads 666 Evil Eye hate U uses the symbol of the eye of horus or eye of lucifer Prince changed his name to a symbol which was an amalgamation of the eye of horus and another ancient symbol representing Appolyon He told Oprah he had someody else inside him since he was 5, remember the Family song "Possessed", Is that why he didn't like getting his photo taken? Was Boy Gregory a blood sacrifice? Prince was found dead in an elevator "All excited, don't know why, maybe it's cos we're all gonna die. When we do, what's it all for? Better live now before the grim reaper comes knocking on your door. Tell me are we gonna let the elevator bring us down... Prince goes up in an elevator in Cherry Moon to the sound of him screaming The first ever elevator was installed in New York on Broadway next to SPRING street which is next to PRINCE street He dies at 57 on the Queen's 90th birthday. 90-57=33 (Jesus' age when he died) Vanity also died at 57 The Queen's memorabilia was all coloured Purple for the day in question Everything lights up Purple but the white house forget to take down the easter rabbits (code for hoax as also seen in Bowie's Lazurus video) The Olympic torch was lit the same day with the high priestess saying a prayer to APOLLO then they released a DOVE. What was Prince's first no. 1 single called? Art Official Age is about how we live in the matrix, nothing is real Collonized Mind is about how there is only the illusion of choice Balltimore is about fake shootings used to create racial division Reflection is about mind transference "Our Bodies wear out but we can get another" Planet Earth is outright mockery White Caps mentions how Prince "the black butterfly" got his wings singed under the arch (of Baal) All just coincidence?

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Sweet baby Jesus. This might be the single most ridiculous thing I have read in my entire life.

DarkKnight1 said:

omnithanos said:

I already posted this elsewhere but I think it fits here:"Somebody famous had a birthday today (the Queen) but all I saw was another full moon."The 22nd of April was both a full moon and the only PINK moon of the year as in "Under the Cherry Moon" (Robin Williams also died on a blood moon as did Jim Careys ex, all raving satanists) Prince's headed paper in that film showed the symbol for the demon baal and a 2/3 replica of the archway to the temple of baal was errected in Trafalgar Square and lit up blood red on the 19th of April this year, the first day of the 13 day pagan ritual festival of sacrifice, perfectly framing Nelson's Column (What's Prince's surname?) His character died in that film and there was a song about his character dying which mentions APRIL and was recorded on 21/4/85I would die 4(april) U(21) was a song about a messiah and historians say Jesus died on 4/21 The twin towers stood for 33 years, Jesus' age when he died, and Rockerfeller appeared on the cover of Newsweek on that same date again, 4/21/67, with his watch hands pointing to 9 and 11. Coincidently Rockerfeller's company AT&T chose the 911 number for the emergency services in 1968 AND the towers were perfectly framed by the Washington Arch. The twin towers were replaced by the one world tower which is 1776 feet tall and coincidently the Illuminati were said to have been formed in 1776 Then there was the famous Osama Bin Laden's gettin' ready to bomb riff in 1998 His place of death (Paisley Park) was officially opened on 9/11/87 and Revelations 9:11 reveals the name of the devil as Appolyon. What was the name of Prince's love interest in Purple Rain? Apollo was said to have been blinded in one eye hense we have one eye symbolism on practically every Prince album cover and he frequently wore an eye patch, Purple Rain tour, The Future single etc. And don't forget the 666 hand signs in the 1999 and Most Beautiful Girl videos The 1999 album cover upside down reads 666 Evil Eye hate U uses the symbol of the eye of horus or eye of lucifer Prince changed his name to a symbol which was an amalgamation of the eye of horus and another ancient symbol representing Appolyon He told Oprah he had someody else inside him since he was 5, remember the Family song "Possessed", Is that why he didn't like getting his photo taken? Was Boy Gregory a blood sacrifice? Prince was found dead in an elevator "All excited, don't know why, maybe it's cos we're all gonna die. When we do, what's it all for? Better live now before the grim reaper comes knocking on your door. Tell me are we gonna let the elevator bring us down... Prince goes up in an elevator in Cherry Moon to the sound of him screaming The first ever elevator was installed in New York on Broadway next to SPRING street which is next to PRINCE street He dies at 57 on the Queen's 90th birthday. 90-57=33 (Jesus' age when he died) Vanity also died at 57 The Queen's memorabilia was all coloured Purple for the day in question Everything lights up Purple but the white house forget to take down the easter rabbits (code for hoax as also seen in Bowie's Lazurus video) The Olympic torch was lit the same day with the high priestess saying a prayer to APOLLO then they released a DOVE. What was Prince's first no. 1 single called? Art Official Age is about how we live in the matrix, nothing is real Collonized Mind is about how there is only the illusion of choice Balltimore is about fake shootings used to create racial division Reflection is about mind transference "Our Bodies wear out but we can get another" Planet Earth is outright mockery White Caps mentions how Prince "the black butterfly" got his wings singed under the arch (of Baal) All just coincidence?

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Sweet baby Jesus. This might be the single most ridiculous thing I have read in my entire life.

Which aspect of my post do you find particularly ridiculous and why?

Oh Gee this thread has become "Fishy"

nursev said:

Oh Gee this thread has become "Fishy"

I suppose it's not in the least bit fishy that the last public act by a man jn such terrible agony that he would overdose on painkillers was to go for a last bike ride around his neighbourhood.

Or that his last tweet would be "just when you thought you were safe" or words to that affect and said tweet (or instamessage) would subsequently get deleted, presumebly by blue tongue.

omnithanos said:

nursev said:

Oh Gee this thread has become "Fishy"

I suppose it's not in the least bit fishy that the last public act by a man jn such terrible agony that he would overdose on painkillers was to go for a last bike ride around his neighbourhood.

Or that his last tweet would be "just when you thought you were safe" or words to that affect and said tweet (or instamessage) would subsequently get deleted, presumebly by blue tongue.

Sounds fishy to me

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

nursev said:

If you have HBO - there's an episode of VICE I watched about how opiod users are becomeing heroine addicts once they can't their medication anymore. Thats where fenatanyl enters the picture too - when the prescriptions stop coming.

So when doctors stop prescribing for their pain - they turn to heroin... and fentanyl is being used to cut with heroin - this one county in North Carolina has 100x the national average of ODs - the person they had on camera had OD'd 7 TIMES.

Here's another article but fentanyl has also exploded in Canada as well and its because many are cut off from their prescriptions...

https://news.vice.com/article/heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-fentanyl-the-powerful-opioid-that-killed-prince

- We don't know if Prince got fentanyl legally or not. It does matter. Its incredibly dangerous when used under supervision ...If he got it off the street it could have been a chinese produced pill thats cut with heroin or oxycontin - and it's killing people faster than anything anyone has ever seen.

jpav said:

I've seen so many conspiracy theories here, so many people implying some hidden mystery, often alluding to something being "fishy", even with the coroner's report.

Prince's death was so many things: tragic, frustrating, sad, shocking, infuriating, but it isn't fishy.

He had years of chronic pain, became addicted to painkillers, was surrounded by yes men who enabled him, didn't believe he would die, and didn't stay in the hospital when he should have. He was alone most of the time and was alone when he died.

It's bad enough that we lost him. It magnifies the tragedy when people can't just allow reality to be what it is and not create a mystery that isn't there.

I agree. The principle of Occam's Razor is informative here. Technically, that principle is "Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected." Put more simply, the principle states that the simplest answer is usually the right one.

Given that, Prince's death was from an accidental overdose of an opiod. The wilder conspiracy theories contradict Occam's Razor, which is further bolstered by official reports of the circumstances surrounding his death.

I've seen speculation/concern on this thread that there was some underlying terminal illness that drove the accidental overdose. Published information doesn't reveal if a terminal illness existed - only the full autopsy report would rule that in or out, and Minnesota law doesn't dictate release of that information to the public at large. The only response I can give to that, then, is that in my personal opinion, Prince's life and disposition argues against some underlying terminal illness. For a man who - throughout his career - exhibited documented desires to control his image, musical output and all aspects of his life - if he knew he was terminal, one would logically assume that he would have had his affairs in order. But again - that's pure speculation with some thin basis in fact.

Given, then, that I personally discount the idea that opiate use was driven by a terminal condition, we're left with the anecdotal information that Prince struggled with chronic pain for years (if not decades) prior to his passing, and that opiate use was a result of an attempt to manage this chronic pain. In that, we should be having a larger discussion.

I personally know three people in my life - close friends - who struggle with chronic pain. Two experience chronic pain as a result of side-effects from chemotherapy, specifically chemotherapy-induced peripheral neuropathy (CIPN). This condition causes the sufferer to experience terrible pain in their extremeties (hands and feet particularly) that can only be relieved by regular, controlled opiate use. My third friend experiences chronic pain in her feet as a result of a surgery that didn't correct a particular issue as desired.

The death of Prince as a result of accidental opiate overdose is shining a light - and not a positive one - on opiates and chronic pain generally. Rather than sparking a serious public discussion about the existence of chronic pain, the treatment of chronic pain, and the general stigma attached to opiate use (this despite the fact that overwhelming vast majority of chronic pain sufferers use opiates under a doctor's advice, recommendation and supervision).

Rather than try to turn a tragedy into some shred of a positive for those with chronic pain by really, truly discussing the issues - that chronic pain is real, that stigma prevents an open discussion by those most qualified to discuss their experiences, and that access to opiates is quite literally a lifeline for those who suffer from chronic pain - the House seems focused on anti-opiate legislation. Yes, that targets illegal provision and distribution of non-prescribed opiates. But notably absent here (outside of one bill that proposes a 5 year study on opiate addiction, a measure that has zero funding attached to it, making it effectively dead from a legislative perspective) is any meaningful attempt to address the 11% of Americans who suffer from chronic pain, a condition described as a experiencing pain daily for three months or longer (http://www.medicaldaily.com/stress-severe-pain-11-americans-suffer-chronic-pain-nih-states-347292)

The backlash of the approach to focusing almost exclusively on illegal and illicit opiate use is already being felt by chronic pain patients in additional impediments to getting legally prescribed drugs - drugs they need - that much harder.

Absent also is a meaningful discussion in the public about the difference between physical dependence and addicition. Physical dependence is a known and manageable (and frankly, required) operand in effective opiate administration. It is not to be confused with addiction, however. The two terms are being conflated in the press, and physical dependence is being demonized in par with addiction (and frankly, neither should be demonized).

Finally, Prince's well-known desire to keep his private life private plays in here in my opinion. Again - this is just speculation, but if I was a mega-star who jealously guarded my privacy, I would be concerned about seeking treatment openly. I'm not saying here that Prince did or did not acquire opiates illegally (and I suspect that is the next piece of information we'll get as the investigation is ongoing). But if he did acquire it illegally, or if he was "doctor shopping" to acquire it, I can see clearly how this is a result of potentially trying to keep his opiate use out of the public eye. A tragic situation compounded by fame.

So those are my thoughts. My hope is that we can turn this discussion away from conspiracy theories and focus instead on the tragedy of chronic pain and the legal/medical issues that still exist for those who suffer and not make it more difficult or onerous to simply get some relief to enable as normal a daily life as possible.

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If all these people who tried to help him supposedly knew something, how could his bodyguard not? His bodyguard was closer than any of these supposed folks that were concerned, his bodyguard was with him everyday, packed his bags, unpacked his bags, he was on the plane with him for the emergency landing, knows exactly what went down in the hostpital and why. Listen to what he has to say about Prince's health. He was with Prince to the very end. So either the entire story is a farce, or the bodyguard is flat out lying, either way, what could be the motive be for each scenario? There is a lot more going on here imo, so yeah, fishy, very fishy.

For example, the day after he dies, an incredibly detailed article, ridiculously detailed, appears with a blurry photo of the actual drug dealer that he was said to have used holding up the actual drug that killed him? No drug dealer would pose for a picture and talk about this stuff, they would be silent, gone, not able to be found, as far away as possible from this mess. If this in itself does not raise a red flag to anyone, you just are not thinking clearly. I believe the article is pure fiction and that the drug dealer doesn't even really exist. The sole purpose of that article imo was to plant a seed in peoples minds so the information that came next would seem more believable. Pain, addiction, stage fright, etc. But again, why? I cannot imagine what the motive for all that would be, but there it all is, staring at us in our faces, either we are led like sheep by this info further into the lie, or, we question it........I question it, but know we will likely never receive the real answers.

Watch this video of his bodyguard being interviewed after he passed, there was no addiction according to him.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/health/prince-bodyguard-speaks/

Ultimately though there is nothing I can do about any of this, so I will just continue to enjoy the music he has left us, and continue to hope for more.

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