Bluu said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Exactly! I've personally known people that got high off heroin and that shit is no joke, so if fentanyl is supposedly 50 times stronger than heroin, and the day he died wasn't the first time he'd taken it, how in the fuck was he functioning and how in the fuck did the people closest to him not know he was high as all hell? I'm saying it's fishy too.

I'm with you both on this. It's still not sitting right with me.... I still can't get past the shadiness that no will has turned up and the fact that his bodyguard and closest associates saw no indication of addiction or dependency. Not saying if there was a conspiracy or foul play or not, but I am saying I'm not satisfied that all questions have been asked, and all avenues have been investigated.

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With Prince's net worth upwards of $300,000,000 (last I checked) I don't put it past NOBODY to pay someone off or threaten someone into changing their story--including the coroner. There is some seriously seedy sh*t going on in the music business and Prince had to have made enemies over the years: waking other artists up to the exploitation by the big record companies with industry-friendly contracts and digital streaming rights, going toe-to-toe with WB in the '90s, winning his masters back in 2014, and cutting out the middle man to sell his music over the internet in late '90s/early 2000's when few (if any?) other artists were doing it at that time. He had to have cost the music industry some money with each of these acts of rebellion, and had to have pissed off some big cahunas. Prince spoke truth to power and was subversive and he had a significant audience by way of a multigenerational, multinational and multicultural fan base, meaning he had the power to influence the opinions of a lot of people through his music. The fentanyl is likely all there is to the story, but then Prince's story was extraordinary--and not without its adversities. I just want the assurance that the investigation was conducted as thoroughly as possible, with a full accounting of all available evidence and that those details fall into alignment.

there are some very shady things going on in the music business. that's why I read this forum

omnithanos said:

nursev said:

Oh Gee this thread has become "Fishy"

I suppose it's not in the least bit fishy that the last public act by a man jn such terrible agony that he would overdose on painkillers was to go for a last bike ride around his neighbourhood.

Or that his last tweet would be "just when you thought you were safe" or words to that affect and said tweet (or instamessage) would subsequently get deleted, presumebly by blue tongue.

There's no evidence as to whether Prince was in terrible pain or not when he took the bike ride to which you refer.

You have only partially referred to the last tweet message. The full message referred to Prince's intention to announce further concert dates in the near future.

The evidence we have is a report that he died from an accidental, self-administered overdose of a drug prescribed for pain managegement.

Mumio said:

langebleu said:

omnithanos said:

I suppose it's not in the least bit fishy that the last public act by a man jn such terrible agony that he would overdose on painkillers was to go for a last bike ride around his neighbourhood.

Or that his last tweet would be "just when you thought you were safe" or words to that affect and said tweet (or instamessage) would subsequently get deleted, presumebly by blue tongue.

There's no evidence as to whether Prince was in terrible pain or not when he took the bike ride to which you refer.

You have only partially referred to the last tweet message. The full message referred to Prince's intention to announce further concert dates in the near future.

The evidence we have is a report that he died from an accidental, self-administered overdose of a drug prescribed for pain managegement.

I wouldn't call a report evidence, We also had reports that he died of aids and the lovely Sinead O'Connor testified that Arsenio Hall plied him with narcotics. Funnily enough when I write Sinead in my phone my predictive text changes it to doomsday.

It is ironic that they say he overdoesd when in 1987 he said himself "September my cousin tried reefer for the very first time, now he's doing horse, it's June" Hardly the views of a junkie.

Then in (the song) June he said "Someone famous had a birthday today, all I saw was another full moon"

Was his life story a gigantic jigsaw puzzle?

I have to give monsieur bleu kudos for ignoring my cheap little jibe for deleting my previous posts. We haven't cossed swords before and I have always considered languebleu as a font of wisdom in all things Princley...

...however I feel I am on to something with regard to the poisonness (fishiness) of Princes departure and I will endevour to shortly present a listing of over 50 coincidences for all the coincidence theorists out there.

RenaRF said:

jpav said:

I've seen so many conspiracy theories here, so many people implying some hidden mystery, often alluding to something being "fishy", even with the coroner's report.

Prince's death was so many things: tragic, frustrating, sad, shocking, infuriating, but it isn't fishy.

He had years of chronic pain, became addicted to painkillers, was surrounded by yes men who enabled him, didn't believe he would die, and didn't stay in the hospital when he should have. He was alone most of the time and was alone when he died.

It's bad enough that we lost him. It magnifies the tragedy when people can't just allow reality to be what it is and not create a mystery that isn't there.

I agree. The principle of Occam's Razor is informative here. Technically, that principle is "Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected." Put more simply, the principle states that the simplest answer is usually the right one.

Given that, Prince's death was from an accidental overdose of an opiod. The wilder conspiracy theories contradict Occam's Razor, which is further bolstered by official reports of the circumstances surrounding his death.

I've seen speculation/concern on this thread that there was some underlying terminal illness that drove the accidental overdose. Published information doesn't reveal if a terminal illness existed - only the full autopsy report would rule that in or out, and Minnesota law doesn't dictate release of that information to the public at large. The only response I can give to that, then, is that in my personal opinion, Prince's life and disposition argues against some underlying terminal illness. For a man who - throughout his career - exhibited documented desires to control his image, musical output and all aspects of his life - if he knew he was terminal, one would logically assume that he would have had his affairs in order. But again - that's pure speculation with some thin basis in fact.

Given, then, that I personally discount the idea that opiate use was driven by a terminal condition, we're left with the anecdotal information that Prince struggled with chronic pain for years (if not decades) prior to his passing, and that opiate use was a result of an attempt to manage this chronic pain. In that, we should be having a larger discussion.

I personally know three people in my life - close friends - who struggle with chronic pain. Two experience chronic pain as a result of side-effects from chemotherapy, specifically chemotherapy-induced peripheral neuropathy (CIPN). This condition causes the sufferer to experience terrible pain in their extremeties (hands and feet particularly) that can only be relieved by regular, controlled opiate use. My third friend experiences chronic pain in her feet as a result of a surgery that didn't correct a particular issue as desired.

The death of Prince as a result of accidental opiate overdose is shining a light - and not a positive one - on opiates and chronic pain generally. Rather than sparking a serious public discussion about the existence of chronic pain, the treatment of chronic pain, and the general stigma attached to opiate use (this despite the fact that overwhelming vast majority of chronic pain sufferers use opiates under a doctor's advice, recommendation and supervision).

Rather than try to turn a tragedy into some shred of a positive for those with chronic pain by really, truly discussing the issues - that chronic pain is real, that stigma prevents an open discussion by those most qualified to discuss their experiences, and that access to opiates is quite literally a lifeline for those who suffer from chronic pain - the House seems focused on anti-opiate legislation. Yes, that targets illegal provision and distribution of non-prescribed opiates. But notably absent here (outside of one bill that proposes a 5 year study on opiate addiction, a measure that has zero funding attached to it, making it effectively dead from a legislative perspective) is any meaningful attempt to address the 11% of Americans who suffer from chronic pain, a condition described as a experiencing pain daily for three months or longer (http://www.medicaldaily.com/stress-severe-pain-11-americans-suffer-chronic-pain-nih-states-347292)

The backlash of the approach to focusing almost exclusively on illegal and illicit opiate use is already being felt by chronic pain patients in additional impediments to getting legally prescribed drugs - drugs they need - that much harder.

Absent also is a meaningful discussion in the public about the difference between physical dependence and addicition. Physical dependence is a known and manageable (and frankly, required) operand in effective opiate administration. It is not to be confused with addiction, however. The two terms are being conflated in the press, and physical dependence is being demonized in par with addiction (and frankly, neither should be demonized).

Finally, Prince's well-known desire to keep his private life private plays in here in my opinion. Again - this is just speculation, but if I was a mega-star who jealously guarded my privacy, I would be concerned about seeking treatment openly. I'm not saying here that Prince did or did not acquire opiates illegally (and I suspect that is the next piece of information we'll get as the investigation is ongoing). But if he did acquire it illegally, or if he was "doctor shopping" to acquire it, I can see clearly how this is a result of potentially trying to keep his opiate use out of the public eye. A tragic situation compounded by fame.

So those are my thoughts. My hope is that we can turn this discussion away from conspiracy theories and focus instead on the tragedy of chronic pain and the legal/medical issues that still exist for those who suffer and not make it more difficult or onerous to simply get some relief to enable as normal a daily life as possible.

[Edited 6/12/16 7:54am]

I didn't bother reading your entire post but I take issue with the second paragraph where you conclusively say that his death resulted from an accidental overdose. What we actually have here is a REPORT that he died from an accidental overdose therefore one must seriously consider whether the ACTUAL facts contradict the REPORTED evidence, the veracity of which cannot be proven before we consider these wild conspiracy theories as you call them to be false.

As I said before on a different thread condemnation without investigation is the highest form of ignorance.

Bluu said:

leadline said:

nursev said:

omnithanos said:

I wouldn't call a report evidence

I will endevour to shortly present a listing of over 50 coincidences for all the coincidence theorists out there.

omnithanos said:

I didn't bother reading your entire post

Things to remember and consider before posting your list...

Eileen said:

omnithanos said:

I wouldn't call a report evidence

I will endevour to shortly present a listing of over 50 coincidences for all the coincidence theorists out there.

omnithanos said:

I didn't bother reading your entire post

Things to remember and consider before posting your list...

Evidence needs to be examined and verified as fact before it can be accepted. For example if we were to accept the 911 report we would be accepting the delusion that actual planes hit the twin towers.

If someone opens a post with a catagoric statement pertaining to something they cannot prove then what is the relevence in reading the remainder of the post?

A list of 50 coincidences and revelations pertaining to the purported death of Prince Rodgers Nelson for all you Coincidence Theorists out there in “it’s on the news so it must be true land”.

1. Prince was reported to have died in exactly the same way as Michael Jackson.
2. Ironically Prince warned of the dangers of drugs in Sign O’ the Times “In September my cousin tried reefer for the very first time now he’s doing horse, it’s June”
3. In the song June Prince says “Somebody famous had a birthday today (the Queen) all I saw was another full moon” and there was a full moon the day after he died.
4. The full moon was the only pink moon of the year as in Under the Cherry Moon. “I’ll die in your arms, under the Cherry Moon.”
5. He had a recent penchant for wearing moon designs.
6. Blood sacrifices are said to occur when there is a blood moon i.e. Robin Williams who publically gave homage to Satan with 666 hand signs.
7. Both Prince and Michael Jackson have also given homage to Satan with the 666 hand sign, i.e. 1999 video & upside down 1999 album cover (666 Evil), The Most Beautiful Girl in the World Video.
8. Both Prince and Michael Jackson have given homage to Satan by showing one eye symbolism i.e. Purple Rain tour eyepatch, The Future single eyepatch, Let’s Pretend We’re Married Single, Sign O’ the Times, Graffiti Bridge, Hits Albums, Welcome 2 America Tour Poster and used the eye of horus for the cover of the eye hate U single.
9. Prince sent out a message before his death saying “just when you thought you were safe” which was mysteriously deleted afterwards and Michael Jackson made a phone call the night before he died saying “There may be a group of people… They want to get rid of me…They could frame me and say I overdosed on drugs”
10. Michael Jackson died on the anniversary of Purple Rain.
11. Michael Jackson was preparing for a record breaking concert run similar to Prince’s 21 NIGHTS IN LONDON at the 02.
12. A 2/3 (666) replica of the archway into the temple of Baal in Palmyra, where blood sacrifices were historically conducted, was erected in LONDON 2 days before his death.
13. The replica arch was erected on the first day of a 13 day pagan festival of ritual sacrifice.
14. That day both the arch and the Empire State Building were lit up blood red.
15. The song White Caps mentions how Prince “a black butterfly lost its wings today. Singed by the candle underneath the archway.”
16. The arch in Trafalgar square perfectly framed Nelson’s Column and Prince’s surname is Nelson.
17. Before he built the twin towers, Rockefeller relocated hundreds of businesses so that his towers could be framed in the same way by the Washington arch in New York.
18. Rockefeller also previously appeared on the cover of Newsweek on 4/21/67 with the hands of his watch pointing at 9 and 11. His company AT&T were also commissioned with the task of choosing the number for the US emergency services the following year and they chose 911.
19. Revelations 9:11 is the only place in the bible where Satan’s name is revealed as Apollyon and Prince’s love interest in Purple Rain was Apollonia.
20. Prince touched on 911 in a concert in Holland in 1998 with the riff “Osama Bin Laden get ready to bomb”
21. The location where Prince was found dead, Paisley Park was officially opened on 9/11/87
22. The twin towers stood for 33 years until 33 year old Mohamad Atta was said to have started the 911 attack and Jesus died at the age of 33 (giving you another 666) Historians say Jesus died on the same day as Prince, April 21^st.
23. In I Would Die 4 U, Prince sings about the messiah and the song title is coded 4/21, 4 representing April and U being the 21^st letter of the alphabet.
24. Prince’s character, CHRISTopher Tracey, died in the film Under the Cherry Moon.
25. Christopher Tracey’s headed paper in the film shows the symbol for the demon Baal.
26. The song from that film, Sometimes it Snows in APRIL, was recorded on 4/21/85.
27. Prince was found dead in an elevator and in the opening track from Purple Rain Prince sings “We’re all excited, don’t know why. Maybe it’s cos, we’re all gonna die. And when we do, what’s it all for? Better live now before the GRIM REAPER comes knocking on your door. Tell me, are we going to let the ELEVATOR bring us down?”
28. In a scene from Under the Cherry Moon when Prince goes up in an elevator we can hear the sound of him screaming which belongs to the following scene where he’s drowning his duck in the bath.
29. Prince appears to collapse in an elevator in the video for 7.
30. Prince first appears on the Muppet Show stepping out of the elevator.
31. The first elevator was installed on Broadway next to SPRING St. which is next to PRINCE St.
32. Prince referred to the elevator as the devil.
33. In an interview, Prince told Oprah that he had someone else living inside him since he was 5.
34. Prince’s son died shortly after birth. When Oprah visited the house Prince acted as if the child was still alive.
35. Prince changed his name to a symbol which was the amalgamation of two ancient symbols, the eye of Horus also referred to as the eye of Lucifer and the symbol for Abaddon which equates to Apollyon as well as the symbols for man and woman.
36. The Olympic torch was lit on the same day with the high priestess saying a prayer to Apollyon before releasing a dove. Prince’s first no. 1 single was When Doves Cry.
37. Vanity also died at 57 years old the same year.
38. The Queen was 90 and Prince was 57. 90(The Queen)-57(Prince) =33(Jesus).
39. Prince=5+7 which is 12. The Queen=9+0 which is 9. 12+9=21(the date).
40. The Queen’s memorabilia was all coloured purple for her 90^th birthday.
41. Everything went Purple in remembrance of Prince but at the White House they still had the Easter rabbits on the lawn, rabbits being representative of a hoax as in the pillow shadow in Bowie’s Lazarus video.
42. Both Prince and apparent death faker Bowie were quickly cremated in a private ceremony.
43. Art Official Age is about how we live in the matrix i.e. nothing is real.
44. Colonised Mind is about how we only have an illusion of choice and how we are all enslaved.
45. Baltimore celebrates fake shootings as a device to create racial division.
46. The Gold Standard hints at the upcoming economic collapse.
47. The covers of Planet Earth and N.E.W.S. celebrate the globe earth model which goes against biblical truth, perception and real scientific proof.
48. He has multiple tracks about space which is a fake construct to hide the Firmament as described in the bible and as discovered by Admiral Byrd prior to military operations fishbowl and Dominic (which means of our Lord).
49. Reflection is about Mind Transference “Our bodies wear out but we can get another” which suggests he actually believed that your mind could be transplanted into another body.
50. Purple Rain played backwards sounds like Hell Water similar to how Obama’s campaign slogan Yes we can is revealed to be Thank you Satan and let me express translates to Serve Satan backwards.

omnithanos You are not doing anybody any good by posting that list of nonsense.

Michael Jackson and Prince DID NOT DIE in exactly the same way. Michael Jackson was being given drugs intravenously (propofol, lorazepam, and midazolam) by a doctor. Prince died alone and overdosed on fentanyl which is in pill form.

certifiably wack-job crazy and I cant bring nyself to quote that mess.

terrig said:

certifiably wack-job crazy and I cant bring nyself to quote that mess.

Please point out which aspects of my post you find nonsensical and explain why?

computerblue77 said:

omnithanos You are not doing anybody any good by posting that list of nonsense.

Michael Jackson and Prince DID NOT DIE in exactly the same way. Michael Jackson was being given drugs intravenously (propofol, lorazepam, and midazolam) by a doctor. Prince died alone and overdosed on fentanyl which is in pill form.

They both overdosed on medication perscribed to them by their doctor n'est pas?

Superfan1984 said:

omnithanos--- That is all very interesting. Some of it is really making me think but some of it is WAY off in left field. Hmm.... This is a very strange world we live in so I wouldn't discount all of it....

I'd be glad to elaborate on any aspect of this you find unbelievible.

If you don't believe that Satanists rule this world just look at the Opening ceremony for the Gotthard Tunnel in Switzerland which took place on the 1st of June with the leaders of France, Germany and Italy in attendance.

Blue tongue is merely a translation of our friend here languebleu who's moniker appears to be in french.

gatorgirl said:

DarkKnight1 said:

omnithanos said:

Sweet baby Jesus. This might be the single most ridiculous thing I have read in my entire life.

I'm incredibly impressed that you stuck with it all the way through. I got as far as Prince's headed note-paper in Under the Cherry Moon showing the symbol of the demon baal and my 'lunacy detector' starting ringing so loudly I just had to give up and go and have a cup of tea.

Still - at least this poster had the guts to post their whole 'reasoning' behind what they were saying. Almost more annoying are those who chat nonsense or cryptic insinuations and then when challenged come out with words to the effect of "Well I've worked it out but obviously you are too dumb to understand. I don't have the time or inclination to explain - why don't you go and do some investigating for yourself?"

I have seen that response in other arenas - people trying to push quack remedies for real diseases is example. What thay really means is that they cannot defend their nonsense, so they go on the attack to deflect the question.

Really grind my gears.

As convincing as all these theories are, please lets not rule out the possibility Prince was actually killed by a fish.

omnithanos said:

If someone opens a post with a catagoric statement pertaining to something they cannot prove then what is the relevence in reading the remainder of the post?

omnithanos said:

A list of 50 coincidences and revelations pertaining to the purported death of Prince Rodgers Nelson for all you Coincidence Theorists out there in “it’s on the news so it must be true land”.

1. Prince was reported to have died in exactly the same way as Michael Jackson.

RenaRF said:

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The death of Prince as a result of accidental opiate overdose is shining a light - and not a positive one - on opiates and chronic pain generally.

Rather than try to turn a tragedy into some shred of a positive for those with chronic pain by really, truly discussing the issues - the House seems focused on anti-opiate legislation.

The backlash of the approach to focusing almost exclusively on illegal and illicit opiate use is already being felt by chronic pain patients in additional impediments to getting legally prescribed drugs - drugs they need - that much harder.

My hope is that we can turn this discussion away from conspiracy theories and focus instead on the tragedy of chronic pain and the legal/medical issues that still exist for those who suffer and not make it more difficult or onerous to simply get some relief to enable as normal a daily life as possible.

I agree, it's all War on Drugs, and not even War on Drugs 2.0 because it continues ramping up more of the same, as further noted by this new article below. However, even though I pasted this link here, I know this isn't the proper forum (section) to get further into the issues you raise.

DEA Wants Inside Your Medical Records to Fight the War on Drugs

http://www.thedailybeast....drugs.html

Purplealegria7 said:

leadline said:

If all these people who tried to help him supposedly knew something, how could his bodyguard not? His bodyguard was closer than any of these supposed folks that were concerned, his bodyguard was with him everyday, packed his bags, unpacked his bags, he was on the plane with him for the emergency landing, knows exactly what went down in the hostpital and why. Listen to what he has to say about Prince's health. He was with Prince to the very end. So either the entire story is a farce, or the bodyguard is flat out lying, either way, what could be the motive be for each scenario? There is a lot more going on here imo, so yeah, fishy, very fishy.

For example, the day after he dies, an incredibly detailed article, ridiculously detailed, appears with a blurry photo of the actual drug dealer that he was said to have used holding up the actual drug that killed him? No drug dealer would pose for a picture and talk about this stuff, they would be silent, gone, not able to be found, as far away as possible from this mess. If this in itself does not raise a red flag to anyone, you just are not thinking clearly. I believe the article is pure fiction and that the drug dealer doesn't even really exist. The sole purpose of that article imo was to plant a seed in peoples minds so the information that came next would seem more believable. Pain, addiction, stage fright, etc. But again, why? I cannot imagine what the motive for all that would be, but there it all is, staring at us in our faces, either we are led like sheep by this info further into the lie, or, we question it........I question it, but know we will likely never receive the real answers.

Watch this video of his bodyguard being interviewed after he passed, there was no addiction according to him.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/health/prince-bodyguard-speaks/

Ultimately though there is nothing I can do about any of this, so I will just continue to enjoy the music he has left us, and continue to hope for more.

[Edited 6/12/16 8:41am]

THIS!! What drug dealer would do this story like that?? Come on son, that's boolshit, and I don't buy it.

Many do buy it though, which makes me sad, Prince was NOT self medicating. The bodyguard has nothing to gain by lying.

[Edited 6/13/16 5:36am]

Rebeljuice said:

As convincing as all these theories are, please lets not rule out the possibility Prince was actually killed by a fish.

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Oh my