OzlemUcucu said:

Everything is getting too much now. I think we should be careful as we are crossing a line here. This whole discussion is causing a lot of pain. I don't wanna be part of that.

I think you are right. I'm done for the day.

babynoz said:

cindyt said:

TurnItUp said:

RiotPaisley said:

BanishedBrian said: Maybe they didn't know- they have the full report and it's their info to distribute if they desire. I could see him not telling his blood family. Close friends may have known. But he didn't want us to know so... I don't expect to hear about it.

His family would not have and probably won't say nothin. They haven't said nothin all this time when he was alive and even in the last month of his death. The only thing they're concerned with is that will. If I was him I wouldn't have wanted anybody to know either. When people know you got cancer, (if that was the case) they wanna put you in an early grave.

Yes, I understand that people living with cancer have reasons not to let people know prior to their death. I could certainly see a situation where if he'd had cancer, he'd have kept it secret until death.

However, I'm talking about what is released upon their death. It's similar to Bowie, where the world was informed upon his passing. If Prince had terminal cancer, does anyone think he'd have died without a will (or at least, without anyone knowing where it is)? Would his family and friends allow the public to operate under a drug OD assumption all this time, when a cancer diagnosis would look more sympathetic to many? Even if you are cynical and think the family would only care about maximizing the value of his estate (which I don't think is the case), the cancer hypothesis might actually increase the value of the estate because it removes the potential negativity that some (ignorant though they may be) have towards people who die from a drug OD.

Just my $0.02, but the cancer hypothesis just doesn't seem to add up.

jkrumes said:

purplethunder3121 said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Everything is getting too much now. I think we should be careful as we are crossing a line here. This whole discussion is causing a lot of pain. I don't wanna be part of that.

I think you are right. I'm done for the day.

Yes, we have no right to be discussing his scars, his weight and height. This is extremely disrespectful. It's still Prince we are talking about, not an alien. It's too painful and it is wrong. I am gonna take a break from the org now.

ThirdStrike said:

jesme1999 said:

nursev said: Me either ...i can assure you my ex is not In severe pain ... Hes just addicted to opiates .

Very good point. Most here are making arguments that his use of the Fentanyl was out of neccessity for treating chronic pain. But from what I've read, it has also been used quite regularly recreationally as well. That being said, it's also quite possible that his graduation to Fentanyl could have been from the use of the lesser strength Percocet (which he most likely started to use to deal with the pain). My point is, we can't ignore the possibility that he used the Fentanyl strictly as a result of an addiction only. As much as it sucks to say, what if our hero was just simply a Fentanyl addict? Again, can't ignore all the possibilities...

Seems bizarre to need not only an addiction specialist but a pain management specialist if this was only a recreational thing. And I've said this in another thread. There is still the question of what test was his doctor dropping off that morning.

TurnItUp said:

The media can put out as many documents as they would like but maybe im in denial and just dont want to accept this but I feel something just aint right in my spirit since day one nothing added up. if they claimed he could of been dead for 6hrs then what was performing CPR was going to do

EMT's are trained to do CPR unless it is obvious death, like a gunshot wound to the head. EMT's cannot pronounce anyone, we have to call into Medical Control and speak to a doctor and tell the doctor we've been doing CPR for however much time and no heartbeat or sinus rhythm is detected by an EKG and the AED has not shocked the patient. We never assume that someone is dead, we need real data/evidence to relay to a doctor who then makes the determination that someone is dead. We can find someone cold and with no pulse with dilated pupils and know for sure they are dead upon sight but still engage our training. People have been revived from that state too many times to assume they are gone.

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BobGeorge

Damn, don't pop up that autopsy report. How many more times are we gonna see this? Once is enuff.

simm0061 said:

OzlemUcucu said:

BobGeorge

Damn, don't pop up that autopsy report. How many more times are we gonna see this? Once is enuff.

I can see where this thread might be traumatic for some people. If you're in that category, it's probably best just not to keep scrolling through to page 10... you're just re-traumatizing yourself. Best to stick to happy threads and leave this one alone.

BobGeorge909 said:

Polo1026 said:

EMT's are trained to do CPR unless it is obvious death, like a gunshot wound to the head. EMT's cannot pronounce anyone, we have to call into Medical Control and speak to a doctor and tell the doctor we've been doing CPR for however much time and no heartbeat or sinus rhythm is detected by an EKG and the AED has not shocked the patient. We never assume that someone is dead, we need real data/evidence to relay to a doctor who then makes the determination that someone is dead. We can find someone cold and with no pulse with dilated pupils and know for sure they are dead upon sight but still engage our training. People have been revived from that state too many times to assume they are gone.

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From what I was told, I'm one of em.

i knew a woman who was brought back after 11 minutes.

justtracy said:

I'm going to respond to this solely to give an idea of what it is like to be DEPENDENT on a medication. I have Rheumatoid Arthritis. It affects most of my joints and surrounding tissue. I have taken Tramadol, which is a synthetic Opiate, for 15+ years to manage the pain. I never took more than what my Dr recommended but I am addicted to it. My body is dependent on this drug. When Prince left this earth, not knowing the full truth, I went to my Dr and began the weaning process to come off this medication. It's been almost 6 weeks and I'm only at the "half way" mark. I've decreased my mgs to half what I was on. I made the conscience decision to do this for ME. But his death gave me courage. Is it easy? Hell no! Have I wanted to give up? Almost everyday. But I put one foot in front of the other and push forward. I will beat this beast that is killing people every hour of everyday. I am not here to judge anyone who takes pain meds. I truly needed them and some days still do but by personal choice, have decided to use alternatives that can be used As needed. I will forever be grateful to that man for gracing us with his talent, and even in the afterlife, possibly saving lives.

Thank you for sharing your story and what you are going through. I pray for you on your journey towards healing and in dealing with the physical pain from rheumatoid arthritis. My grandmother had it as well as a long line of her family members. I can't imagine how hard it was for them on no pain relief at all except for aspirin and home remedies. Keep up the good fight.

nursev said:

BanishedBrian said:

purplethunder3121 said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Everything is getting too much now. I think we should be careful as we are crossing a line here. This whole discussion is causing a lot of pain. I don't wanna be part of that.

I think you are right. I'm done for the day.

Righteous point Oz + Thunder. Hard 2 stay - Hard 2 leave. Crazy times.

All sad news. Fuck everybody working for Prince that knew about this shit and didn't get him help in time.

OzlemUcucu said:

funksterr said:

All sad news. Fuck everybody working for Prince that knew about this shit and didn't get him help in time.

that's how i feel, if i knew he was gonna die i woulda drove out there and got myself in trouble trying to help him, y'all would have been calling me a crazed fan too.

After all this, I was thinkiing, we've lost a lot of people, i've lost 3 heroes in the last ten years either over drugs or the violence that drugs attracts, in the future, with future superstars, fans should try and band together and figure out a way to form some sort of intervention. of course the assholes will say we aren't family blah blah but our lives are affected greatly by some of these people and we grow to love them and admire them and should have a way to help them when no one else has the balls to.

This is very sad...

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It seems to me that Prince was in pain (as per Sheila E)...but also never really conquered his inner demons - something some of us are forever haunted by...

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Just gutted...tragic... is an understatement

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No point speculating...as a Coroner once said to me when my Brother committed suicide..."you will never get the answer you are looking for..."

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Take care my purple brothers and sisters...I hope we all reconcile this autopsy without too much pain....

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Prince, wherever you are...thank you...and I hope that you are free...

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Now off to listen to where he felt most at peace...in his music...

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Will be a restless night tonight

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It will be weird for a few days..

luv4u said:

Does not say a whole hell of a lot.

I was expecting more information than that or is that normal?

I noticed on the document that it says that the investigation is still ongoing........

Minnesota Public Radio did a piece on this on Tuesday. By law, what was released to the public in the form of that document is all that wa allowable for release.

As to "ongoing investigation", the next questions are going to be whether or not Fentanyl was prescribed, if so, by whom and was it prescribed by more than one doctor? If only one doctor, was it over-prescribed? If not prescribed, where did he get it?

We will never find all of the answers we are looking for. I just thank Prince for the funky time and the great music. And I hope that he is at peace wherever he is. But there are two things that I want to clear up here...

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AIDS is a disease suffered by good and decent human beings the world over. There is no shame in living or dying with HIV or AIDS. People alleging he had AIDS may be sensationalistic, tabloidy and crass - but saying someone has AIDS to me is not a slander any more than saying someone has cancer or ALS or Alzheimer's. I just consider it to be another theory about his passing, but not a libel.

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Addiction is also a disease that takes many forms and sweeps up many good and decent people. In the throes of addiction, many a good person has been lost. But addiction is not just about self control or moral superiority. It is a disease. And it should be seen and treated like one. A person trapped in percocet addiction or heroin addiction or alcohol addiction is still a person. Not a pariah.

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It drives me nuts when people suggest that having AIDS or being an addict makes you "less than." We have no proof Prince had HIV/AIDS or any addiction - but if he did, it doesn't make him any less of a genius of a human or a child of God than if he didn't.

Mumio said:

So....not percocet but fentanyl.

Fentanyl - WAY stronger than percocet. Found this online for comparison between the two: http://www.iodine.com/com...s-percocet

That said, I have three friends who struggle with serious, chronic pain. They say that opiods are a Godsend that allow them to function. They stress to me that physical dependence is very different from addiction, and that opiod drugs are generally designed TO develop physical dependency. It's how they work. But because opiods generally attach to specific receptors and one of those receptors is a deep brain system that controls respiration, it has to be used with caution even when not abused.

So. I'm sad that he was in terrible pain. I've never heard if he went through with hip replacement surgery or if the surgery was not performed due to the Jehova's Witness' proscription against blood transfusions? Does anyone know? Because I took special note of the scar on his hip and wondered.

stringerbell said:

We will never find all of the answers we are looking for. I just thank Prince for the funky time and the great music. And I hope that he is at peace wherever he is. But there are two things that I want to clear up here...

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AIDS is a disease suffered by good and decent human beings the world over. There is no shame in living or dying with HIV or AIDS. People alleging he had AIDS may be sensationalistic, tabloidy and crass - but saying someone has AIDS to me is not a slander any more than saying someone has cancer or ALS or Alzheimer's. I just consider it to be another theory about his passing, but not a libel.

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Addiction is also a disease that takes many forms and sweeps up many good and decent people. In the throes of addiction, many a good person has been lost. But addiction is not just about self control or moral superiority. It is a disease. And it should be seen and treated like one. A person trapped in percocet addiction or heroin addiction or alcohol addiction is still a person. Not a pariah.

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It drives me nuts when people suggest that having AIDS or being an addict makes you "less than." We have no proof Prince had HIV/AIDS or any addiction - but if he did, it doesn't make him any less of a genius of a human or a child of God than if he didn't.

copy that

This is like ripping off a bandaid all over again. I thought it would bring closure but it has opened up more questions than ever.......I am sure I am not alone in this thinking. I can only share Purple Hugs with you all as I wipe away my tears yet again..........

Poor Prince - this was such a waste and should not have happened..........