blue22 said:

jesme1999 said:

blue22 said:

Yep, always giving out awards to people. Performing any chance he got. Making speeches. He seemed to love the stage. That part for me is unbelievable. Unless Prince told him that as an excuse, who knows.

Kinda, sorta relevant to this subject .. My son suffers from anxiety and panic attacks ( well, he is much better now with counseling and a lot of time and patience ) Anyway, when he first started panicking about even going into a store by himself, or walking into a classroom for fear of feeling everyone was looking at him, I questioned it .He played baseball all his life , he was #1 in the pitching rotation and even pitched in the junior olympics.i questioned him how he could do that as he was out there all alone on that mound with all eyes upon him.He told me That was because that is where h knows he excels and that was actually his comfort zone and the only time he feels himself ....perhaps the same on a different level was true for Prince ?

Yep, quite possible.

KaresB said:

Trickology said:

nursev said:

I hate to say this but Ive always thought that Prince died soon after he was dropped off They dropped him off like what 8, 9pm and he is found in the same clothes the next morning. He was at home so why would he not change clothes and be comfortable...Im starting to think that 6 hours is really more like 13 hours. Shit is heartbreaking.

Trickology said:

RiotPaisley said:

Please google what a fentynal lollipop looks like... They aren't going to make a lollipop that is stronger than heroin look like candy so kids can get at it. So no he has not been walking around with fentynal lollipops.

Prince's Alleged Drug Dealer showed Prince's preference for Fet patches before it was announced Prince was administering Fetanyl.

In addition he goes into details that Prince suffered from extreme stage fright and needed them to continue on stage in front of people. He also goes into detail on him working at coachella as a roadie & giving Prince his supply. He says he has been giving prince his supply since the mid eighties. Take it all with a grain of salt, but it doesn't sound unbelieveable what Prince needed to keep the pressure at bay. It makes sense actually.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555292/Prince-s-former-drug-dealer-reveals-extent-addiction.html

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[Edited 6/2/16 19:46pm]

So this dude is saying he allegedly had been supplying Fentanyl to Prince since the mid 80s ... but somehow Prince accidently ODs in 2016???

Now, on the other hand if true and he's been supplying since mid 80s who in Prince's inner circle has consistently been around since the mid 80s and may have assisted with getting him this drug?

spastic78 said:

nursev said:

I hate to say this but Ive always thought that Prince died soon after he was dropped off They dropped him off like what 8, 9pm and he is found in the same clothes the next morning. He was at home so why would he not change clothes and be comfortable...Im starting to think that 6 hours is really more like 13 hours. Shit is heartbreaking.

About 6 hours suggests 3am which is usually (according to the experience of over 1000 people in a chronic pain support group that I'm a member of) when pain is at it's worst. No one can figure out why except perhaps that the body's natural circadian rhythm (which has been screwed up by pain and sleepless nights) influences this phenomenon.

My own experience of accidentally ODing (with respiratory distress) on Tramadol and Percosets (despite the lowest dosage possible) as a result of "staggering"(taking half-doses more frequently) reassures me that Prince did not intentionally overdose and that he really just was trying to manage his excruciating pain.

After my OD experience I was given a Fentanyl patch in the hospital as I had been on pain meds for over 3 years. I did not go home with one but was prescribed one by an ER doc. Fortunately by the time I received insurance approval I was already back in the hospital for another surgery during which Fentanyl was used by anaesthesiologist. Thankfully my body, which was having strange out-of-body experiences, doesn't tolerate opiates well so I vomited guts out right after surgery and basically every day for a week after. Finally low dosages (2mg) of Dilaudid and anti-nausea meds helped manage the pain. I still live in pain and I'm up between 2am to 4am as for whatever reason pain is worse then. I used to take extra meds at that time but since Prince died I don't. It's apparently just too easy to accidentally overdose...in no way does it mean you are a junkie.

I doubt Prince felt pain when he overdosed though most likely had the experience of realizing he was dying and having the choice to fight to survive or to get on with the next phase of life - death. The OD experience is surreal and profound (at least it was for me) and had I not had kids I may have chosen to just let go as the chronic pain I live with (from hip and knee issues) rules my life. As a health-nut I shamefully take my pain meds which drags my energy levels and alters my perception so much that I just avoid people.

I still don't believe this Prince ME report tells the whole story but may have been released for insurance purposes as well as damage control. I think info is being held back for sensitivity reasons and we will never know the whole story. Opiod toxicity is not a death sentence in itself...the body's reaction to opiod toxicity is the determining factor...so was it respiratory distress, seizures, stoke, and/or organ failure? What exactly happened?

As for the Drug Dealers story...was Fentanyl even available decades ago? There are lots of Prince Harper's out there just as there are many fans. Prince was considered "uppity" by many who wanted to see him fail and would probably stop at nothing now to foster that image.

The scar on his hip is consistent with hip replacement but that would mean he had it done a very long time ago. Perhaps the lower leg scar is the supposed knee surgery though I doubt it's a knee replacement as he'd have a much different walk.

Perhaps Prince was really tired from the pain and so sub-consciously engaged in actions that would encourage death to absorb the pain hence the strange tweets and the date of death etc. -the coincidences. And perhaps his loneliness exacerbated a depressive state of mind thus leading to irresponsible choices. Yet his agreement to see the doc from Beverly Hills for addiction suggests at one level that he was really just trying to manage his pain. Unless it was all orchestrated to lend emphasis to his songs...his final piece of art. But that's too morbid a thought I think and Prince had too much to live for...the mere fact that he didn't have a will suggests he didn't think death was near his doorstep.

RIP Prince, I'll forever love you.

The org is once again mention and quoted in the news. Read this article from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...-overdose/

nursev said:

Aerogram said:

Reading some of this thread has been sheer torture, but not because of what I've learned about Prince.

I wish people would stop with the "I feel that" and "he probably", "my spirit" then AIDS, cancer, even conspiracy and murder. It's sad enough to know how Prince died, no need to inject theories that say all about you and nothing about Prince.

Besides this report none of us will ever really know what happened to him...I guess people are so heartbroken that they are looking for anything to tell them he didn't die like this.

I have a feeling that before long someone will leak the complete autopsy report.

Genesia said:

spastic78 said:

nursev said:

I hate to say this but Ive always thought that Prince died soon after he was dropped off They dropped him off like what 8, 9pm and he is found in the same clothes the next morning. He was at home so why would he not change clothes and be comfortable...Im starting to think that 6 hours is really more like 13 hours. Shit is heartbreaking.

About 6 hours suggests 3am which is usually (according to the experience of over 1000 people in a chronic pain support group that I'm a member of) when pain is at it's worst. No one can figure out why except perhaps that the body's natural circadian rhythm (which has been screwed up by pain and sleepless nights) influences this phenomenon. My own experience of accidentally ODing (with respiratory distress) on Tramadol and Percosets (despite the lowest dosage possible) as a result of "staggering"(taking half-doses more frequently) reassures me that Prince did not intentionally overdose and that he really just was trying to manage his excruciating pain. After my OD experience I was given a Fentanyl patch in the hospital as I had been on pain meds for over 3 years. I did not go home with one but was prescribed one by an ER doc. Fortunately by the time I received insurance approval I was already back in the hospital for another surgery during which Fentanyl was used by anaesthesiologist. Thankfully my body, which was having strange out-of-body experiences, doesn't tolerate opiates well so I vomited guts out right after surgery and basically every day for a week after. Finally low dosages (2mg) of Dilaudid and anti-nausea meds helped manage the pain. I still live in pain and I'm up between 2am to 4am as for whatever reason pain is worse then. I used to take extra meds at that time but since Prince died I don't. It's apparently just too easy to accidentally overdose...in no way does it mean you are a junkie. I doubt Prince felt pain when he overdosed though most likely had the experience of realizing he was dying and having the choice to fight to survive or to get on with the next phase of life - death. The OD experience is surreal and profound (at least it was for me) and had I not had kids I may have chosen to just let go as the chronic pain I live with (from hip and knee issues) rules my life. As a health-nut I shamefully take my pain meds which drags my energy levels and alters my perception so much that I just avoid people. I still don't believe this Prince ME report tells the whole story but may have been released for insurance purposes as well as damage control. I think info is being held back for sensitivity reasons and we will never know the whole story. Opiod toxicity is not a death sentence in itself...the body's reaction to opiod toxicity is the determining factor...so was it respiratory distress, seizures, stoke, and/or organ failure? What exactly happened? As for the Drug Dealers story...was Fentanyl even available decades ago? There are lots of Prince Harper's out there just as there are many fans. Prince was considered "uppity" by many who wanted to see him fail and would probably stop at nothing now to foster that image. The scar on his hip is consistent with hip replacement but that would mean he had it done a very long time ago. Perhaps the lower leg scar is the supposed knee surgery though I doubt it's a knee replacement as he'd have a much different walk. Perhaps Prince was really tired from the pain and so sub-consciously engaged in actions that would encourage death to absorb the pain hence the strange tweets and the date of death etc. -the coincidences. And perhaps his loneliness exacerbated a depressive state of mind thus leading to irresponsible choices. Yet his agreement to see the doc from Beverly Hills for addiction suggests at one level that he was really just trying to manage his pain. Unless it was all orchestrated to lend emphasis to his songs...his final piece of art. But that's too morbid a thought I think and Prince had too much to live for...the mere fact that he didn't have a will suggests he didn't think death was near his doorstep. RIP Prince, I'll forever love you.

My friend, thank you for sharing your story. I am deeply saddened that in this life, you have had to struggle with pain. I see my 78 year old grandmother struggle with pain more and more as the days go by, it is only faith that keeps her because it is sometimes so bad I hear her crying at those hours of the night/early morning.

I am so glad that you are alive today, and I pray that there is a solution for this. These stories just make me want to fulfill my purpose on earth. At 23, I suffer from intense depression/mental health issues that prevent me from living a life of fulfillment. I now, want to pour my soul deeply into that of forgiveness and to focus on my dreams of helping others.

Life is too short, I think people forget how fragile the body is. Due to my depression, I've gained 70 pounds, while still at a weight that's "fine for my height", physically I am in pain a lot. It is hard going up the stairs, my knees often hurt.

Anyhow, I am sending love your way, and thank you for supporting Prince the right way without the denial. You are great.

Feel better.

Love you Prince.

Spayne said:

Prince's weight, along with his height and age is at the recommended level

He was not severely underweight. According to a website (and yes they do all differ slightly) for a 63inch tall adult male - Ideal bodyweight in kg is 50.6 and in pounds 111.6.

112lbs - 8 stones - 50.8kg

However give someone of that size some medication that would normally be given to a taller and heavier man/woman, that's probably a recipe for disaster.

Would he have (if it was present) read the label and dosage instructions for adults/children and went for the adult dosage? Who knows what your mind is thinking if you're in that much pain, desperation would spring to mind. He no way had the bodysize of an average male.

So many thoughts go through my mind wondering on the night he died, did he physically know it was happening (was he light-headed, sick, feeling queasy, was he just plainly out of his head and not knowing what was happening to him because of the medication, or was it literally out of the blue and the body shutdown and put him straight to sleep in the elevator and unfortunately he never woke up).

I really hope that he was none-the-wiser and it just happened.

Prince had definitely lost weight in recent months. I'd say he had lost 15 - 20 lbs, which is a lot for someone his height. If he had been previously using the Fentanyl and his weight changed that much, plus he had not been eating properly and maybe not drinking as much water, I can see how the concentration of the drug was higher while he was still taking the usual dosage.

Genesia said:

spastic78 said:

About 6 hours suggests 3am which is usually (according to the experience of over 1000 people in a chronic pain support group that I'm a member of) when pain is at it's worst. No one can figure out why except perhaps that the body's natural circadian rhythm (which has been screwed up by pain and sleepless nights) influences this phenomenon. My own experience of accidentally ODing (with respiratory distress) on Tramadol and Percosets (despite the lowest dosage possible) as a result of "staggering"(taking half-doses more frequently) reassures me that Prince did not intentionally overdose and that he really just was trying to manage his excruciating pain. After my OD experience I was given a Fentanyl patch in the hospital as I had been on pain meds for over 3 years. I did not go home with one but was prescribed one by an ER doc. Fortunately by the time I received insurance approval I was already back in the hospital for another surgery during which Fentanyl was used by anaesthesiologist. Thankfully my body, which was having strange out-of-body experiences, doesn't tolerate opiates well so I vomited guts out right after surgery and basically every day for a week after. Finally low dosages (2mg) of Dilaudid and anti-nausea meds helped manage the pain. I still live in pain and I'm up between 2am to 4am as for whatever reason pain is worse then. I used to take extra meds at that time but since Prince died I don't. It's apparently just too easy to accidentally overdose...in no way does it mean you are a junkie. I doubt Prince felt pain when he overdosed though most likely had the experience of realizing he was dying and having the choice to fight to survive or to get on with the next phase of life - death. The OD experience is surreal and profound (at least it was for me) and had I not had kids I may have chosen to just let go as the chronic pain I live with (from hip and knee issues) rules my life. As a health-nut I shamefully take my pain meds which drags my energy levels and alters my perception so much that I just avoid people. I still don't believe this Prince ME report tells the whole story but may have been released for insurance purposes as well as damage control. I think info is being held back for sensitivity reasons and we will never know the whole story. Opiod toxicity is not a death sentence in itself...the body's reaction to opiod toxicity is the determining factor...so was it respiratory distress, seizures, stoke, and/or organ failure? What exactly happened? As for the Drug Dealers story...was Fentanyl even available decades ago? There are lots of Prince Harper's out there just as there are many fans. Prince was considered "uppity" by many who wanted to see him fail and would probably stop at nothing now to foster that image. The scar on his hip is consistent with hip replacement but that would mean he had it done a very long time ago. Perhaps the lower leg scar is the supposed knee surgery though I doubt it's a knee replacement as he'd have a much different walk. Perhaps Prince was really tired from the pain and so sub-consciously engaged in actions that would encourage death to absorb the pain hence the strange tweets and the date of death etc. -the coincidences. And perhaps his loneliness exacerbated a depressive state of mind thus leading to irresponsible choices. Yet his agreement to see the doc from Beverly Hills for addiction suggests at one level that he was really just trying to manage his pain. Unless it was all orchestrated to lend emphasis to his songs...his final piece of art. But that's too morbid a thought I think and Prince had too much to live for...the mere fact that he didn't have a will suggests he didn't think death was near his doorstep. RIP Prince, I'll forever love you.

Thanks for this.

Yes, thanks. I think that last night Dr. Drew said that pain meds for chronic pain do NOT work. In the end they end up CAUSING more pain. It works like a benzo. Oh, they work FINE for about two or three weeks. Then they start to CAUSE anxiety. When you try to go off them, it's hell. Just went thru it myself in January, and my son did in March. We both have SEVERE anxiety. I won't get near another benzo ever again. It boomerangs, the end result of the meds is so much worse than that first temporary relief. It's the first thing they hand you in the ER when you have a bad anxiety attack. Dr Drew also said that what happens when you take pain meds and benzos together is that you take them, go to sleep, and then forget to breathe. When I was on the benzo I would always make sure someone could hear me breathing cause I'm on so much other meds for heart and blood pressure and anxiety. Add a benzo, it may not have been at a toxic level and the pain meds may have been for Prince, but Dr Drew thinks thats what killed him. This stuff is so much more powerful and dangerous than a dr. (or a pusher) or whoever will ever lead you to believe. The thought of coming off a pain killer for Prince may have really scared him terribly. I mean, I don't know, but these meds are sometimes what kills you, rather than the actual disease itself. Look at chemo.

JudasLChrist said:

spastic78 said:

Fentanyl was not available till the mid 1990s. Drug Dealer is full of crap.

Not saying the article or the drug dealer is telling the truth BUT it doesn't say he was getting Fentanyl in the 80's......

"I first met Prince in 1984 when he was filming the movie Purple Rain and he was already majorly addicted to opiates," Doctor D said. "I didn't hook him on drugs and he was already a really heavy user. In the beginning he would by speed as well as Dilaudid. I would sell him Black Beauties which were a black pill and Cross Tops which were also speed pills."

jesme1999 said:

jesme1999 said:

laurarichardson said:

jesme1999 said:

Kinda, sorta relevant to this subject .. My son suffers from anxiety and panic attacks ( well, he is much better now with counseling and a lot of time and patience ) Anyway, when he first started panicking about even going into a store by himself, or walking into a classroom for fear of feeling everyone was looking at him, I questioned it .He played baseball all his life , he was #1 in the pitching rotation and even pitched in the junior olympics.i questioned him how he could do that as he was out there all alone on that mound with all eyes upon him.He told me That was because that is where h knows he excels and that was actually his comfort zone and the only time he feels himself ....perhaps the same on a different level was true for Prince ?

//- Anyone who thinks Prince had stage fright is smoking crack. The guy had been performing in front of people since he was 12. He went out of his way to perform more than he had to. In addition, these same tabloids said he AIDS, cocaine addition and percocets issues none of which are listed as the cause of death. The tabloid just made something up like all the other things they made up and hit pay dirt with this one. Every day for a month they would pick something other reason for his death. Now they can move on to Johnny Depp.

Just like anyone who would have said Prince was taking Fentanyl a couple of months ago would have been called an IDIOT, huh?

If you don't think the fact that the ONLY article that stated anything about Fentanyl prior to the official cause of death is interesting at least then I just don't know what to say except this: WE didn't know Prince. We knew Prince the entertainer, Prince the musician. We knew only what he allowed the world to see. Even people who actually worked with him, who knew him, who spent actual time with him are in shock by how he died. If he kept his opiate addiction from them is it such a leap to believe that maybe he DID have stage fright? Once again, not saying that was the case but to deny the possiblity is just ridiculous.

[Edited 6/3/16 6:47am]

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

laurarichardson said:

jesme1999 said: //- Anyone who thinks Prince had stage fright is smoking crack. The guy had been performing in front of people since he was 12. He went out of his way to perform more than he had to. In addition, these same tabloids said he AIDS, cocaine addition and percocets issues none of which are listed as the cause of death. The tabloid just made something up like all the other things they made up and hit pay dirt with this one. Every day for a month they would pick something other reason for his death. Now they can move on to Johnny Depp.

Just like anyone who would have said Prince was taking Fentanyl a couple of months ago would have been called an IDIOT, huh?

If you don't think the fact that the ONLY article that stated anything about Fentanyl prior to the official cause of death is interesting at least then I just don't know what to say except this: WE didn't know Prince. We knew Prince the entertainer, Prince the musician. We knew only what he allowed the world to see. Even people who actually worked with him, who knew him, who spent actual time with him are in shock by how he died. If he kept his opiate addiction from them is it such a leap to believe that maybe he DID have stage fright? Once again, not saying that was the case but to deny the possiblity is just ridiculous.

[Edited 6/3/16 6:47am]

Prince didn't strike me as someone who's been on heavy drugs for 30 years.

On the death certificate it is stating the actual time of death as 10.07 on the 21st. So maybe he was still alive when he was found?

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o...ate-02.pdf

paulludvig said:

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Just like anyone who would have said Prince was taking Fentanyl a couple of months ago would have been called an IDIOT, huh?

If you don't think the fact that the ONLY article that stated anything about Fentanyl prior to the official cause of death is interesting at least then I just don't know what to say except this: WE didn't know Prince. We knew Prince the entertainer, Prince the musician. We knew only what he allowed the world to see. Even people who actually worked with him, who knew him, who spent actual time with him are in shock by how he died. If he kept his opiate addiction from them is it such a leap to believe that maybe he DID have stage fright? Once again, not saying that was the case but to deny the possiblity is just ridiculous.

[Edited 6/3/16 6:47am]

Prince didn't strike me as someone who's been on heavy drugs for 30 years.

Which goes back to my first sentence. Did Prince, prior to his death, strike you as someone who would die from a Fentanyl overdose??

I'm gonna speculate for a minute:

• Prince starts taking opiates to deal with his crippling stage fright in the 80s (and no, I wouldn't consider this "recreational" use)
• Prince develops tolerance to pills.
• Prince begins to have severe pain from years of performing (splits, high heels, dancing, etc.)
• Prince needs stronger opiates because he's been taking them for years.
• Pain doesn't get better, needs higher doses, accidently takes too much.
  
  Does that seem completely unbelievable, given what we know now?

[Edited 6/3/16 7:18am]

Rebeljuice said:

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

paulludvig said:

Prince didn't strike me as someone who's been on heavy drugs for 30 years.

Which goes back to my first sentence. Did Prince, prior to his death, strike you as someone who would die from a Fentanyl overdose??

I'm gonna speculate for a minute:

• Prince starts taking opiates to deal with his crippling stage fright in the 80s (and no, I wouldn't consider this "recreational" use)
• Prince develops tolerance to pills.
• Prince begins to have severe pain from years of performing (splits, high heels, dancing, etc.)
• Prince needs stronger opiates because he's been taking them for years.
• Pain doesn't get better, needs higher doses, accidently takes too much.
  
  Does that seem completely unbelievable, given what we know now?

[Edited 6/3/16 7:18am]

The first point seems unbelievable. To me.

BillieBalloon said:

Rebeljuice said:

On the death certificate it is stating the actual time of death as 10.07 on the 21st. So maybe he was still alive when he was found?

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o...ate-02.pdf

That's what time he was declared dead by a doctor not actual time of death from what I gather. As some have said RM had set in.

We do not really know if RM had set in. It was reported by someone it had, but thats all it was, a report. Until yesterday Prince had od'd on percocet, so what did any reports that we've read really know?

This document is factual and next to the date and time of death it clearly says "actual time of death". It may well be referring to when it was called, but then that wouldnt be actual would it.

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

laurarichardson said:

jesme1999 said: //- Anyone who thinks Prince had stage fright is smoking crack. The guy had been performing in front of people since he was 12. He went out of his way to perform more than he had to. In addition, these same tabloids said he AIDS, cocaine addition and percocets issues none of which are listed as the cause of death. The tabloid just made something up like all the other things they made up and hit pay dirt with this one. Every day for a month they would pick something other reason for his death. Now they can move on to Johnny Depp.

Just like anyone who would have said Prince was taking Fentanyl a couple of months ago would have been called an IDIOT, huh?

If you don't think the fact that the ONLY article that stated anything about Fentanyl prior to the official cause of death is interesting at least then I just don't know what to say except this: WE didn't know Prince. We knew Prince the entertainer, Prince the musician. We knew only what he allowed the world to see. Even people who actually worked with him, who knew him, who spent actual time with him are in shock by how he died. If he kept his opiate addiction from them is it such a leap to believe that maybe he DID have stage fright? Once again, not saying that was the case but to deny the possiblity is just ridiculous.

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I agree, the org is in denial..this guy was the only one to bring fentayl in the -picture from day ione..Went on the say if dr's didnt know about it and gave hiom percs, it would def kill...he also was the only one to say the save shot (narcan) knocks all traces out your system therefoere withdrawals w8ill be tough and people woudkl over medicate

Well there is a lot still unknown and some may never be known. His absence during the 2010-2014 timeline is where some say things started to change, after the LOTUS promo and 21Nights something was changing, absence from recording etc..Now this could have been related to his Hip/pain issues flaring up, no one has actually said that PRINCE had hip surgery there has been talk of it, now we hear there was a scar, but still we do not know even if he had or who performed and also, what kind of surgery was performed. As we know PRINCE was a JW and very strict with the rules and would have had a different kind of surgery to avoid "blood transfusions"? that is a major question. ALSO surgery does not necessarily mean the pain goes away, though the replacement worked for Morris Day, who knows what Prince was suffering from, it may have been something much more complicated and involved. Now the issues arise of this "dealer" so to speak, now I really find it hard to believe that Prince had stage fright, I really do not see this, almost seems like a joke statement. I can see him having panic attacks or even his past of having seizures maybe that was something that arose once again. But I dont buy stage fright as a reason for taking something stronger than heroin. But what was also mentioned some time ago was this "fear" or "Guilt" issue with PRINCE. Now a scenario that comes to play is that maybe this pain is spiraling out of control, and PRINCE felt he could control this, again like its said, Prince was PRIVATE you knew what he wanted you to know, even when he seemed super open like on Oprah or later interviews, he was constructing the interviews and he knew the anwsers so there was nothing for him to have to hide. PRINCE in his career never had "scandals" do we recall one? something major or even minor, I mean for someone on that level there is always something, no one has escaped that, but he did. SO you have this super private person, who is always able to control his world now is faced with something that finally he cannot control. Remember them saying how agitated he was in those last days, also the story of no room in the hospital which was not true, the fact that he was upset that they landed that plane and saved him, GUILT suddenly is there. Someone is going to say something, a plane is forced to land, and then they use the excuse of the FLU. Cancelled shows earlier in the month, his world seemed to be unraveling, control of it now was being lost, imagine how and what would happen if it gets out that the plane lands and he is treated for an OD? all of a sudden this image is gone, we know how media works, Prince's image would change in the world, he was not the type that was going to deal with tabloids creeping up to the door or bugging him at shows, with questions of prescription drug abuse. Now on the surface we may just say, come clean and get help, easier said than done, people are all different, again WE DONT KNOW HIM. Yes he was all the things he showed us, but there were things he didnt show us, the pain, suffering etc...that was quiet, he only wanted us to know the MUSIC. Trust me if it was in HIS POWER he would not even want us to know all the things we know now.

KaresB said:

jesme1999 said:

blue22 said: Kinda, sorta relevant to this subject .. My son suffers from anxiety and panic attacks ( well, he is much better now with counseling and a lot of time and patience ) Anyway, when he first started panicking about even going into a store by himself, or walking into a classroom for fear of feeling everyone was looking at him, I questioned it .He played baseball all his life , he was #1 in the pitching rotation and even pitched in the junior olympics.i questioned him how he could do that as he was out there all alone on that mound with all eyes upon him.He told me That was because that is where h knows he excels and that was actually his comfort zone and the only time he feels himself ....perhaps the same on a different level was true for Prince ?

Yep, quite possible.

As a musician (active) myself, I can tell you - stage fright is a terrible thing. The anxiety, the nausea (which is what I experienced), the sleeplessness, the pre-stage breathlessness. All of it centered, for me, around *anticipation* of taking the stage. That was the hurdle - could I get on the stage or not? Once there, and within a few minutes into a set, I am fine. It's just the "getting there" that was the issue.

If you haven't experienced stage fright, you don't know how debilitating it can be, and you don't know that it hits different people in different ways.

laurarichardson said:

jesme1999 said:

Kinda, sorta relevant to this subject .. My son suffers from anxiety and panic attacks ( well, he is much better now with counseling and a lot of time and patience ) Anyway, when he first started panicking about even going into a store by himself, or walking into a classroom for fear of feeling everyone was looking at him, I questioned it .He played baseball all his life , he was #1 in the pitching rotation and even pitched in the junior olympics.i questioned him how he could do that as he was out there all alone on that mound with all eyes upon him.He told me That was because that is where h knows he excels and that was actually his comfort zone and the only time he feels himself ....perhaps the same on a different level was true for Prince ?

-- If was taking that shit from the 1980's he would have been dead a long time ago. Read up on it I doubt he had been taking for very long it is given to people terminal cancer patients it was not created for long time use because it was created for death.

I have no comment on the validity of the whole "I'm his drug dealer" thing. Stepping back from that, however - people who are prescribed opiates for chronic pain management frequently have to go up in drug strength as opiate resistance develops. So someone may start with a low dose of, say, tramadol and that works for a time, until a resistance is built up and it doesn't work effectively. Then it's moved on to, say, percocet, and that works for a time until the body becomes resistant. My point being: *IF* (and who knows here) there was a long-standing use of opiods in Prince's life, chances are he started with something to manage chronic pain and gradually moved up the scale in strength until even that didn't work. Usage dating back to the 80s does not necessarily indicate *Fentanyl* usage for that entire time.