CROWNS1 said:

It was reported that he stayed in a hotel and was picked up in the morning by staffers who took him to PP to meet with Prince. Upon getting there, well, you know the rest.

With the ongoing investigation the police should have the time that he landed and where the cab or whatever dropped him off, or if he got a rental. I just don't understand why the wait why he wasn't taken directly there and got a Dr. in if it was nescessary. He should have been met there or at least picked up from the airport by whoever set up the whole thing. It seems time was of the essence, it should have been upon landing not the next morning. It just seems like a major screw up to me and Prince paid for it with his life.

mimi1956 said:

CROWNS1 said:

It was reported that he stayed in a hotel and was picked up in the morning by staffers who took him to PP to meet with Prince. Upon getting there, well, you know the rest.

With the ongoing investigation the police should have the time that he landed and where the cab or whatever dropped him off, or if he got a rental. I just don't understand why the wait why he wasn't taken directly there and got a Dr. in if it was nescessary. He should have been met there or at least picked up from the airport by whoever set up the whole thing. It seems time was of the essence, it should have been upon landing not the next morning. It just seems like a major screw up to me and Prince paid for it with his life.

I have wondered this exact thing from the very beginning: If Prince's situation was "grave", WHY didn't Andrew Kornfeld go straight to PP to at least talk to Prince to make sure he was OK. (?!?!?)

mailaccount63 said:

mimi1956 said:

With the ongoing investigation the police should have the time that he landed and where the cab or whatever dropped him off, or if he got a rental. I just don't understand why the wait why he wasn't taken directly there and got a Dr. in if it was nescessary. He should have been met there or at least picked up from the airport by whoever set up the whole thing. It seems time was of the essence, it should have been upon landing not the next morning. It just seems like a major screw up to me and Prince paid for it with his life.

I have wondered this exact thing from the very beginning: If Prince's situation was "grave", WHY didn't Andrew Kornfeld go straight to PP to at least talk to Prince to make sure he was OK. (?!?!?)

Probably cause it was in the middle of the night and they had an appointment with him in the morning. It's not this man's fault that P died. It wasn't his job to go over there at 3 am or whatever time he got in and try to get through the gates and into the building. In my honest opinion, this was an intervention that P's staff set up. P might not have even agreed to it. Can you see him flying off to Cali and admitting himself for months in a rehab facility? Somehow I don't see it. I'm certain people tried to get him in rehab but it appears he wanted to do this on his own, in his own home. However it went down, P's death is not Kornfeld's fault.

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jackmitz said:

KingSausage said:

littlemissG said: Does anyone have evidence that prescription opioid painkillers like fentanyl (many of which are available in generic form, and ALL of which face substantial roadblocks to expanding their "customer base" due to very strict regulations on their use and dispersion) are really all that profitable for "Big Pharma"?

Well, the most glaring evidence comes from the CDC, who attepted to introduce new pain killer rules due to the over-perscribing of such drugs. The drug lobbyists swooped in and blocked these rules, becasuse big money talks. If you want to know who killed our boy, I would suggest shining your flashlight at drug lobbyists and the entire for-profit healthcare system. No real cures, to either addiction or disease, will be found when these drug companies make far more money treating the symptoms. It's a fucked up system, and it took our boy.

https://theintercept.com/2015/12/23/oxycontin-cdc-politics/

KingSausage said:

not anymore. but the initial push from Purdue for OxyContin is what a) started all this and b) made them incredibly rich.

Im just thinking if someone told me Prince murdered someone or died of an overdose of drugs I would have thought he murdered someone... That would have been more likely to believe than this.... So this is how his story ends.... It's the most fucked up thing ever... He would shit if he knew that's how the story would have ended... That why all you and him too believed in this great afterlife well hopefully his afterlife will be void of the facts of how he died on earth so how happy can you be in heaven if you know thats how your final act went down.... Think about it
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jokocur said:

Ive come to believe that when we pass over EVERYTHING becomes clear n known to us, we understand, forgive and move on to go wherever it is we're supposed to "go".No matter HOW we die. I used to believe people who died in unnatural ways or young or in any tragic way may linger in a ghostly form bound by negative emotions, etc..But now ive come to believe that anyone who dies in the throes of a strong n negative emotion or incident imprints and leaves a piece of that energy behind which may cause disturbances that are perceived as ghostly encounters...P left us a rainbow on his departure..A sign that he was ok and that we should be too...
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There are 2 ways of looking at things one is the way we want things to be and the way it really is.people can believe what they like and see things to confirm that ... It's called confirmation bias... That's how like 95 percent of the world gets through this thing called life... But if you are a secular humanist like myself you are skeptical of all supernatural claims and the world that's unfolding makes somuch sense it's neither good nor bad ..it just is.. And when you realize that this life is all there is then you cherish it and the people you love you appreciate them imensly because this is it as far as we know .. No one knows for sure any different.... Prince had amazing gifts I don't fault him for believing in God ... I think I would have too if I realized I was the most gifted Musician that ever graced the planet... That said that rainbow was pretty cool and for all Prince has given me...way more than any imaginary sky god could ever give me....I hope he is where he always thought he would be...
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[Edited 6/10/16 5:59am]

jokocur said:

There are 2 ways of looking at things one is the way we want things to be and the way it really is.people can believe what they like and see things to confirm that ... It's called confirmation bias... That's how like 95 percent of the world gets through this thing called life... But if you are a secular humanist like myself you are skeptical of all supernatural claims and the world that's unfolding makes somuch sense it's neither good nor bad ..it just is.. And when you realize that this life is all there is then you cherish it and the people you love you appreciate them imensly because this is it as far as we know .. No one knows for sure any different.... Prince had amazing gifts I don't fault him for believing in God ... I think I would have too if I realized I was the most gifted Musician that ever graced the planet... That said that rainbow was pretty cool and for all Prince has given me...way more than any imaginary sky god could ever give me....I hope he is where he always thought he would be... ... [Edited 6/10/16 5:58am] [Edited 6/10/16 5:59am]

I can totally relate to this post.

jokocur said:

There are 2 ways of looking at things one is the way we want things to be and the way it really is.people can believe what they like and see things to confirm that ... It's called confirmation bias... That's how like 95 percent of the world gets through this thing called life... But if you are a secular humanist like myself you are skeptical of all supernatural claims and the world that's unfolding makes somuch sense it's neither good nor bad ..it just is.. And when you realize that this life is all there is then you cherish it and the people you love you appreciate them imensly because this is it as far as we know .. No one knows for sure any different.... Prince had amazing gifts I don't fault him for believing in God ... I think I would have too if I realized I was the most gifted Musician that ever graced the planet... That said that rainbow was pretty cool and for all Prince has given me...way more than any imaginary sky god could ever give me....I hope he is where he always thought he would be... ... [Edited 6/10/16 5:58am] [Edited 6/10/16 5:59am]

Nicely put.

jokocur said:

There are 2 ways of looking at things one is the way we want things to be and the way it really is.people can believe what they like and see things to confirm that ... It's called confirmation bias... That's how like 95 percent of the world gets through this thing called life... But if you are a secular humanist like myself you are skeptical of all supernatural claims and the world that's unfolding makes somuch sense it's neither good nor bad ..it just is.. And when you realize that this life is all there is then you cherish it and the people you love you appreciate them imensly because this is it as far as we know .. No one knows for sure any different.... Prince had amazing gifts I don't fault him for believing in God ... I think I would have too if I realized I was the most gifted Musician that ever graced the planet... That said that rainbow was pretty cool and for all Prince has given me...way more than any imaginary sky god could ever give me....I hope he is where he always thought he would be... ... [Edited 6/10/16 5:58am] [Edited 6/10/16 5:59am]

If this life is all there is, then I am just going to give up.....

mailaccount63 said:

jokocur said:

There are 2 ways of looking at things one is the way we want things to be and the way it really is.people can believe what they like and see things to confirm that ... It's called confirmation bias... That's how like 95 percent of the world gets through this thing called life... But if you are a secular humanist like myself you are skeptical of all supernatural claims and the world that's unfolding makes somuch sense it's neither good nor bad ..it just is.. And when you realize that this life is all there is then you cherish it and the people you love you appreciate them imensly because this is it as far as we know .. No one knows for sure any different.... Prince had amazing gifts I don't fault him for believing in God ... I think I would have too if I realized I was the most gifted Musician that ever graced the planet... That said that rainbow was pretty cool and for all Prince has given me...way more than any imaginary sky god could ever give me....I hope he is where he always thought he would be... ... [Edited 6/10/16 5:58am] [Edited 6/10/16 5:59am]

If this life is all there is, then I am just going to give up.....

I hear ya, and agree. If this life is all that I had to look forward to, then I would have lived a miserable existence, so as a believer just like Prince, I'm glad that I believe in God and Heaven, and pray that I get to spend eternity there, rather than here.

[Edited 6/10/16 17:34pm]

mimi1956 said:

CROWNS1 said:

It was reported that he stayed in a hotel and was picked up in the morning by staffers who took him to PP to meet with Prince. Upon getting there, well, you know the rest.

With the ongoing investigation the police should have the time that he landed and where the cab or whatever dropped him off, or if he got a rental. I just don't understand why the wait why he wasn't taken directly there and got a Dr. in if it was nescessary. He should have been met there or at least picked up from the airport by whoever set up the whole thing. It seems time was of the essence, it should have been upon landing not the next morning. It just seems like a major screw up to me and Prince paid for it with his life.

During the press conference in May the Kornfelds' attorney stated a staffer met Andrew at the airport and then drove him to a hotel. Early on the 21st they went back to the hotel and brought him to PP. Since Andrew wasn't licensed to administer buprenorphine that's probably why he wasn't taken directly to PP upon landing. The plan was to meet some mystery doctor who had cleared his schedule on the 21st in order to administer the buprenorphine. I find it odd the mystery doctor hasn't been identified. I think the mystery doctor is in reality Dr. Schulenberg and he was assessing him, hence the test results in order to get him stabilized for treatment and administer the buprenorphine. JMO

bondno9 said:

The plan was to meet some mystery doctor who had cleared his schedule on the 21st in order to administer the buprenorphine. I find it odd the mystery doctor hasn't been identified. I think the mystery doctor is in reality Dr. Schulenberg and he was assessing him, hence the test results in order to get him stabilized for treatment and administer the buprenorphine. JMO

There are a couple things that (so far) don't seem to fit well with that theory.

Shulenberg was board certified in family practice. Kornfeld's attorney said the mystery doctor was a "trusted colleague" of the Kornfeld father, who had contacted him personally the night before. You'd think Kornfeld would get an appropriate specialist. Also so far the reporting had said Schulenberg came into the picture via Kirky, thought that's probably unconfirmed.

The attorney also said at the presser that the mystery doctor had been waiting all morning in his office for Prince and nobody showed up, which doesn't quite jibe with Shulenberg appearing at PP to drop off test results from the prev day.

Finally, the attorney said the mystery doctor would be doing an assessment of Prince to get "a feel for the nature of the problem" and decide whether or not he needed treatment at that time, which doesn't really fit for somebody who was already in the midst of treating him, and who seemingly can't prescribe bupro.

All that said, it's not out of the question.

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1contessa said:

mailaccount63 said:

If this life is all there is, then I am just going to give up.....

I hear ya, and agree. If this life is all that I had to look forward to, then I would have lived a miserable existence, so as a believer just like Prince, I'm glad that I believe in God and Heaven, and pray that I get to spend eternity there, rather than here.

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you are not alone.. thats the world view of a lot of people i talk to....Editd 6/11/16 5:05am]

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Eileen said:

bondno9 said:

The plan was to meet some mystery doctor who had cleared his schedule on the 21st in order to administer the buprenorphine. I find it odd the mystery doctor hasn't been identified. I think the mystery doctor is in reality Dr. Schulenberg and he was assessing him, hence the test results in order to get him stabilized for treatment and administer the buprenorphine. JMO

There are a couple things that (so far) don't seem to fit well with that theory.

Shulenberg was board certified in family practice. Kornfeld's attorney said the mystery doctor was a "trusted colleague" of the Kornfeld father, who had contacted him personally the night before. You'd think Kornfeld would get an appropriate specialist. Also so far the reporting had said Schulenberg came into the picture via Kirky, thought that's probably unconfirmed.

The attorney also said at the presser that the mystery doctor had been waiting all morning in his office for Prince and nobody showed up, which doesn't quite jibe with Shulenberg appearing at PP to drop off test results from the prev day.

Finally, the attorney said the mystery doctor would be doing an assessment of Prince to get "a feel for the nature of the problem" and decide whether or not he needed treatment at that time, which doesn't really fit for somebody who was already in the midst of treating him, and who seemingly can't prescribe bupro.

All that said, it's not out of the question.

[Edited 6/11/16 4:58am]

I appreciate your astute observations. We all just want to know the full story, so hopefully once the criminal investigation is done, we'll have some answers. P.S. They finally opened a sticky for the estate issues. Sincerely, bilbolives

mailaccount63 said:

jokocur said:

There are 2 ways of looking at things one is the way we want things to be and the way it really is.people can believe what they like and see things to confirm that ... It's called confirmation bias... That's how like 95 percent of the world gets through this thing called life... But if you are a secular humanist like myself you are skeptical of all supernatural claims and the world that's unfolding makes somuch sense it's neither good nor bad ..it just is.. And when you realize that this life is all there is then you cherish it and the people you love you appreciate them imensly because this is it as far as we know .. No one knows for sure any different.... Prince had amazing gifts I don't fault him for believing in God ... I think I would have too if I realized I was the most gifted Musician that ever graced the planet... That said that rainbow was pretty cool and for all Prince has given me...way more than any imaginary sky god could ever give me....I hope he is where he always thought he would be... ... [Edited 6/10/16 5:58am] [Edited 6/10/16 5:59am]

If this life is all there is, then I am just going to give up.....

Life is still an bowl of clay, that you can mold into what you desire. Don't give up during the process of flame and scuplting.

Eileen said:

bondno9 said:

The plan was to meet some mystery doctor who had cleared his schedule on the 21st in order to administer the buprenorphine. I find it odd the mystery doctor hasn't been identified. I think the mystery doctor is in reality Dr. Schulenberg and he was assessing him, hence the test results in order to get him stabilized for treatment and administer the buprenorphine. JMO

There are a couple things that (so far) don't seem to fit well with that theory.

Shulenberg was board certified in family practice. Kornfeld's attorney said the mystery doctor was a "trusted colleague" of the Kornfeld father, who had contacted him personally the night before. You'd think Kornfeld would get an appropriate specialist. Also so far the reporting had said Schulenberg came into the picture via Kirky, thought that's probably unconfirmed.

The attorney also said at the presser that the mystery doctor had been waiting all morning in his office for Prince and nobody showed up, which doesn't quite jibe with Shulenberg appearing at PP to drop off test results from the prev day.

Finally, the attorney said the mystery doctor would be doing an assessment of Prince to get "a feel for the nature of the problem" and decide whether or not he needed treatment at that time, which doesn't really fit for somebody who was already in the midst of treating him, and who seemingly can't prescribe bupro.

All that said, it's not out of the question.

[Edited 6/11/16 4:58am]

The "trusted colleague" is code for Dr. Schulenberg. That whole mystery doctor waiting is a smokescreen. For one, it doesn't make sense. If a doctor was waiting why were both Andrew and Dr. S on the scene at PP? Therefore, Dr. S has to be the mystery doctor and "trusted colleague."

I believe the plan was to pick Andew up from the hotel and meet Dr S at PP in order to administer the buprenorphine with the other doctor Kornfeld providing instructions via conference call from CA.

bondno9 said:

Eileen said:

There are a couple things that (so far) don't seem to fit well with that theory.

Shulenberg was board certified in family practice. Kornfeld's attorney said the mystery doctor was a "trusted colleague" of the Kornfeld father, who had contacted him personally the night before. You'd think Kornfeld would get an appropriate specialist. Also so far the reporting had said Schulenberg came into the picture via Kirky, thought that's probably unconfirmed.

The attorney also said at the presser that the mystery doctor had been waiting all morning in his office for Prince and nobody showed up, which doesn't quite jibe with Shulenberg appearing at PP to drop off test results from the prev day.

Finally, the attorney said the mystery doctor would be doing an assessment of Prince to get "a feel for the nature of the problem" and decide whether or not he needed treatment at that time, which doesn't really fit for somebody who was already in the midst of treating him, and who seemingly can't prescribe bupro.

All that said, it's not out of the question.

The "trusted colleague" is code for Dr. Schulenberg. That whole mystery doctor waiting is a smokescreen. For one, it doesn't make sense. If a doctor was waiting why were both Andrew and Dr. S on the scene at PP? Therefore, Dr. S has to be the mystery doctor and "trusted colleague."

I believe the plan was to pick Andew up from the hotel and meet Dr S at PP in order to administer the buprenorphine with the other doctor Kornfeld providing instructions via conference call from CA.

Why go to all the trouble of contacting the Kornfelds and Andrew flying out on a red-eye, if Prince was already being treated by their chosen doctor?

Nobody needs two doctors in person and one on the phone in a team huddle in order to hand a person some pills.

Per the search warrant, authorities didn't find Schulenberg on the scene, he showed up while they were already there to drop off test results. If he didn't have test results in hand, I expect that would have come out and been in the search warrant. If it had been planned for him to examine Prince/meet Andrew at PP, I would think they would have put that in the search warrant (that he was expected for an doctor's appt with Prince.

If you're thinking the smokescreen is that Kirky and Andrew and Schulenberg and Meron all lied to the cops about the plan, and Kornfeld's attorney lied in his press conference about same, that's a whole other thing. Then it's more like a conspiracy involving at least 6 people.

Kornfeld's business is out patient, so unless they have a harbor for in-house treatment, I could totally see him teaming with a local doctor who already has a history with him (albeit limited) to keep tabs on Prince during detox.

As far as the mystery doctor, you're onto it. I believe it was Dr. Schulenberg, but is Dr. S. licensed to write up for that particular med? Now, upon Dr. S's eval of the current state of Prince, I am sure he would have confer'd with Dr. K. and then Dr. K would've directed the admin of the buprenorphine. P probably would've felt "safer" staying at home with a doc he's seen before at least during the initial stages and then may have started rehab off site.

There is a lot more to this all. Nice to see this thread still active.

SpinsterSister said:

Kornfeld's business is out patient, so unless they have a harbor for in-house treatment, I could totally see him teaming with a local doctor who already has a history with him (albeit limited) to keep tabs on Prince during detox.

They do have a "harbor" of sorts. They put people up in hotels with a nurse, apparently. Kornfeld's attorney stated their plan (or hope) was to have Prince go to CA for treatment.

SpinsterSister said:

As far as the mystery doctor, you're onto it. I believe it was Dr. Schulenberg, but is Dr. S. licensed to write up for that particular med?

Schulenberg is not licensed to prescribe bupro according to SAMHSA. Per reporting, Kornfeld is not licensed to prescribe in MN.

There are a couple of legal exceptions, however they don't seem to fit this particular situation; it's likely all involved would have been putting themselves at risk re: criminal charges and medical licensure.


Oh... it is apropos to acknowledge that we do have evidence that there was willingness for some degree of risk, given Andrew's carrying of the bupro.

[Edited 6/13/16 5:33am]

My new topic about confusion over the opioid addiction was locked as its being spoken about here, so I'm moving my message to here even though I know the current chat is more about the Kornfelds. I'm just confused as to how he remained so damn functional.

I feel like I'm coming to a place of acceptance about Prince's passing, still angry at times though. What I'm trying to make sense of is the addiction side of things. It seems like this is not something that happened all of a sudden, but that it's more likely to have spiralled over a period of time - potentially years.

I don't know much about opioid addiction, and it saddens me to think that a medication he took for pain (and hopefully it was for pain, and not some of the seedier stories the press has touted), ended up taking his life. What I have read recently would suggest that opioids make you sleepy, slurry, slow down all bodily systems.
Yet Prince was NEVER off his game live, and we all know what a workaholic he was, and he hardly slept. This doesn't sit with the side effects of opioids - they would almost have the opposite effect. Hence my confusion. Was his body just so used to them that he was entirely functional?

Now, I'm not doubting the cause of death at all, I'm just wondering how he managed to maintain his life at such a high pace and level whilst all this was going on in the background. It just doesn't seem possible that he could have been as sharp and amazing as he always was if he was an opioid addict, but maybe he was just really clever about hiding it.

I suppose it doesn't really matter now in the great scheme of things, and more credit to Prince for remaining the consummate professional he always was whilst battling this problem. I'm just confused about how he managed to conceal this so well and carry on.

ZARIA7ETAN said:

My new topic about confusion over the opioid addiction was locked as its being spoken about here, so I'm moving my message to here even though I know the current chat is more about the Kornfelds. I'm just confused as to how he remained so damn functional. I feel like I'm coming to a place of acceptance about Prince's passing, still angry at times though. What I'm trying to make sense of is the addiction side of things. It seems like this is not something that happened all of a sudden, but that it's more likely to have spiralled over a period of time - potentially years. I don't know much about opioid addiction, and it saddens me to think that a medication he took for pain (and hopefully it was for pain, and not some of the seedier stories the press has touted), ended up taking his life. What I have read recently would suggest that opioids make you sleepy, slurry, slow down all bodily systems. Yet Prince was NEVER off his game live, and we all know what a workaholic he was, and he hardly slept. This doesn't sit with the side effects of opioids - they would almost have the opposite effect. Hence my confusion. Was his body just so used to them that he was entirely functional? Now, I'm not doubting the cause of death at all, I'm just wondering how he managed to maintain his life at such a high pace and level whilst all this was going on in the background. It just doesn't seem possible that he could have been as sharp and amazing as he always was if he was an opioid addict, but maybe he was just really clever about hiding it. I suppose it doesn't really matter now in the great scheme of things, and more credit to Prince for remaining the consummate professional he always was whilst battling this problem. I'm just confused about how he managed to conceal this so well and carry on.

A distant relative of mine is a functioning alcoholic. She's been so for at least the 20 years I've known her for. She's a professional and I bet you any money that if I were to tell her boss about it, he would laugh in my face thinking I was lying. She has never, ever, made a mistake.

MMJas said:

If she's an alcoholic then the likelihood is that she HAS made mistakes and her family and friends have covered for her.


The article below states that
Functioning alcoholics have people around them to clean up their transgressions. In the case of Prince I think if he had been an addict for 20 years plus those enablers would have leaked stories at some point and nobody did. Not a soul.

See this: https://www.therecoveryvi...alcoholic/

BillieBalloon said:

MMJas said:

A distant relative of mine is a functioning alcoholic. She's been so for at least the 20 years I've known her for. She's a professional and I bet you any money that if I were to tell her boss about it, he would laugh in my face thinking I was lying. She has never, ever, made a mistake.

If she's an alcoholic then the likelihood is that she HAS made mistakes and her family and friends have covered for her. The article below states that Functioning alcoholics have people around them to clean up their transgressions. In the case of Prince I think if he had been an addict for 20 years plus those enablers would have leaked stories at some point and nobody did. Not a soul. See this: https://www.therecoveryvi...alcoholic/

A whole host of other things got leaked why not this.

BillieBalloon said:

MMJas said:

A distant relative of mine is a functioning alcoholic. She's been so for at least the 20 years I've known her for. She's a professional and I bet you any money that if I were to tell her boss about it, he would laugh in my face thinking I was lying. She has never, ever, made a mistake.

If she's an alcoholic then the likelihood is that she HAS made mistakes and her family and friends have covered for her. The article below states that Functioning alcoholics have people around them to clean up their transgressions. In the case of Prince I think if he had been an addict for 20 years plus those enablers would have leaked stories at some point and nobody did. Not a soul. See this: https://www.therecoveryvi...alcoholic/

I was simply addressing the "was he entirely functional" part of the post with an example of an entirely functioning addict that i know of. But you are probably right, she probably does have all those enablers. We were just not close enough to realize it.

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I have a feeling more of his private life will come out when the investigation starts to tighten it's case. I believe the dealer from California. It is easy to take pills, ups, downs, anxiety, stabilizers etc. Opioids do not last all day, you have to take several per day based upon your tolerance, dosage and whatever else you're taking. Plus if you know how they affect you, you will know what you can "add" to make them stronger, or to bring out other aspects that you may find appealing. Dilaudid is an opioid and is suppose to settle you down (such as for surgery) but they revved me up, I had 4 injections and was still not settled enough for surgery. All bodies are different. Amen to him being a professional but at what cost? Was his reliance of it worth it all - in the whole scheme of things, I think not. His life was worth more than adulation. As far as mistakes being made, I am sure there were some but he had his inner circle to pick up the strings, to them clean up, that is why I am not convinced that nobody knew about his situation. I am sure the better detox/rehab doctors have harbors, like plastic surgeons...it's concierge service. Nice hotel, good nurses and a handler.

SpinsterSister said:

Why do you believe this?

SpinsterSister said:

I have a feeling more of his private life will come out when the investigation starts to tighten it's case. I believe the dealer from California. It is easy to take pills, ups, downs, anxiety, stabilizers etc. Opioids do not last all day, you have to take several per day based upon your tolerance, dosage and whatever else you're taking. Plus if you know how they affect you, you will know what you can "add" to make them stronger, or to bring out other aspects that you may find appealing. Dilaudid is an opioid and is suppose to settle you down (such as for surgery) but they revved me up, I had 4 injections and was still not settled enough for surgery. All bodies are different.<<right Amen to him being a professional but at what cost? Was his reliance of it worth it all - in the whole scheme of things, I think not. His life was worth more than adulation. As far as mistakes being made, I am sure there were some but he had his inner circle to pick up the strings, to them clean up, that is why I am not convinced that nobody knew about his situation. I am sure the better detox/rehab doctors have harbors, like plastic surgeons...it's concierge service. Nice hotel, good nurses and a handler. <<right

All bodies are different. Plus you build up a tolerance to these pain medications. My cousin says they do not make her sleepy, but she has taken them for years.

My cousin got a new/better Pain Management Doctor about four years ago. He counts every pill. He sees her once a month. He asks her lots of questions and adjusts her medications accordingly.

But my cousin is not 100% pain free. In order to be completely pain free, she says, they would have to increase her medication to the point where she would be sleepy. In order to work, she cannot be like that. So the doctors reduce her pain to the point where she can just tolerate it.

My cousin has tried many things, from spinal blocks... to TENS unit... acupuncture... etc., etc. Her doctors have experimented with many different types of medications over the years, different combinations, and they have finally found a combination that works for her. When someone is crying, almost hysterical, from pain, if you have any compassion, you will do anything to help them.

The problem is when you attempt detox, you have to have some type of a substitute pain reliever to take its place. You can't just take pain meds away from a sufferer. You have to have something else to relieve the pain. If you have something else less addictive -- great. But it still needs to relieve the pain.

mailaccount63 said: SpinsterSister said: I have a feeling more of his private life will come out when the investigation starts to tighten it's case. I believe the dealer from California. It is easy to take pills, ups, downs, anxiety, stabilizers etc. Opioids do not last all day, you have to take several per day based upon your tolerance, dosage and whatever else you're taking. Plus if you know how they affect you, you will know what you can "add" to make them stronger, or to bring out other aspects that you may find appealing. Dilaudid is an opioid and is suppose to settle you down (such as for surgery) but they revved me up, I had 4 injections and was still not settled enough for surgery. All bodies are different.<<right Amen to him being a professional but at what cost? Was his reliance of it worth it all - in the whole scheme of things, I think not. His life was worth more than adulation. As far as mistakes being made, I am sure there were some but he had his inner circle to pick up the strings, to them clean up, that is why I am not convinced that nobody knew about his situation. I am sure the better detox/rehab doctors have harbors, like plastic surgeons...it's concierge service. Nice hotel, good nurses and a handler. <<right All bodies are different. Plus you build up a tolerance to these pain medications. My cousin says they do not make her sleepy, but she has taken them for years. My cousin got a new/better Pain Management Doctor about four years ago. He counts every pill. He sees her once a month. He asks her lots of questions and adjusts her medications accordingly. But my cousin is not 100% pain free. In order to be completely pain free, she says, they would have to increase her medication to the point where she would be sleepy. In order to work, she cannot be like that. So the doctors reduce her pain to the point where she can just tolerate it. My cousin has tried many things, from spinal blocks... to TENS unit... acupuncture... etc., etc. Her doctors have experimented with many different types of medications over the years, different combinations, and they have finally found a combination that works for her. When someone is crying, almost hysterical, from pain, if you have any compassion, you will do anything to help them. The problem is when you attempt detox, you have to have some type of a substitute pain reliever to take its place. You can't just take pain meds away from a sufferer. You have to have something else to relieve the pain. If you have something else less addictive -- great. But it still needs to relieve the pain. Amen. I know a lot of people think it's easy to detox...just stop taking the meds but it doesn't work that way. Thank you for adding your input and insight to the situation. Too many times it's easy to blame the person suffering as if being dependant on pain meds is a moral failure, sin or deviant desire to "get high". I'm glad your cousin found a good doctor to treat her pain....she's lucky.

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