Blakbear said:

So, Prince was an addict? What a fuckin' hypocrite!!!

Germanegro said:

Identity said:

Eerily correct prediction made 12 years ago.

I can't agree with either statement. He did have friends showing their concern for him; a loyal facility and personal staff; a party during his ultimate weekend populated by admiring locals who paid to attend; at least 2 bands on hiatus; a ton of fans awaiting notice of his next imminent solo concert and announcement of a new forthcoming recording project (with his wish for them to save their prayers for his welfare); a record company anxious for him to deal them the product they'd anticipated (whose wishes for his welfare remain suspicious, in these eyes).

Prince was alone when he died. Perhaps one feels the ability to get inside the man's head at that hour to figure whether he was lonely at the time, but that sounds simultaneously spooky and kooky unless you are of his inner circle.

At the very least, lowliest level, he had leagues of player-haters spectating from every angle and conjecturing the worst toward any outcome of whatever he did. The ill speculation toward Prince Nelson that positive supporters must endure is really trifling and tiresome, and dang it, couldn't possibly require prediction. Its coming has been foretold through vast distance of timespace!

I do feel I can say that Prince had seen the light at the end of his tunnel of trials, from the right or wrong end perhaps, relative to your own thought and perspective. Come what may I retain my happy memories of what Prince offered the world.

I agree with you

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in that he had a legion of fans who have been influenced by him - and dare I say it...shaped their (my life) with his being/music/universe

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Although...if I was being picky, you have only mentioned fans/admiring locals and people on his payroll - staff, bands...

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This does not make an honest, holistic world...

Connected said:

PeteSilas said:

naw, i could see him being a hardcore addict before i see him committing suicide. Addicts have a gazillion ways to rationalize what they do. Bruce Lee was told point fucking blank that he could die if he ingested cannibis leaves again, so what does he do? he goes and eats them again and croaks. An addict can't stop, that's why they are called addicts. And we all got something, I just ate the fuck out some cupcakes, and as bad as I feel right now, i'll probably do the same thing again tomorrow while I lie to myself that i'm going to lose weight. Why are we like this? Pressure? the modern world? what the fuck is it?

You are a funny

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I love my Bruce...never knew he was a pothead!!!

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Another pioneer who created not only a martial art...but also tried to bridge the gap between two warring nations...and wrote (oh my gosh!) how much philosophy?!?!

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My favourite being like water...

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Back to the point on Prince and addiction - it is again about "life balance"...and it is fucking hard to maintain!

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Neverthless...to be real with the people importnat to you - is massive, challenging and scary

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Yet the rewards are integration, security and being loved...over feeling isolated, paranoid and lost...I guess.

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Waffling now! So I'm heading to the bakery... for some waffles!

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Been great reading these posts tonight...cos I felt really sad - first time I posted here since Prince's passing...just couldn't even visit the site since he passed.

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So thank you - and I'm having syrup and cream!!!!

you're very welcome and i'll have a cupcake just for you. I didn't start posting here again until after Prince died, i'd been kicked off here twice but people have by and large been ok here, at least in comparison to how they usually are. don't eat too any waffles now.

luv4u said:

Identity said:

Eerily correct prediction made 12 years ago.

Geez

i wonder where that post came from, i remember once writing about how accessible Little Richard was and people were saying the same thing about Prince, that "one would die lonely and the other wouldn't" Little Richard, god bless him doesn't show up much anymore but he does have people who look after him.

Connected said:

Germanegro said:

I can't agree with either statement. He did have friends showing their concern for him; a loyal facility and personal staff; a party during his ultimate weekend populated by admiring locals who paid to attend; at least 2 bands on hiatus; a ton of fans awaiting notice of his next imminent solo concert and announcement of a new forthcoming recording project (with his wish for them to save their prayers for his welfare); a record company anxious for him to deal them the product they'd anticipated (whose wishes for his welfare remain suspicious, in these eyes).

Prince was alone when he died. Perhaps one feels the ability to get inside the man's head at that hour to figure whether he was lonely at the time, but that sounds simultaneously spooky and kooky unless you are of his inner circle.

At the very least, lowliest level, he had leagues of player-haters spectating from every angle and conjecturing the worst toward any outcome of whatever he did. The ill speculation toward Prince Nelson that positive supporters must endure is really trifling and tiresome, and dang it, couldn't possibly require prediction. Its coming has been foretold through vast distance of timespace!

I do feel I can say that Prince had seen the light at the end of his tunnel of trials, from the right or wrong end perhaps, relative to your own thought and perspective. Come what may I retain my happy memories of what Prince offered the world.

I agree with you

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in that he had a legion of fans who have been influenced by him - and dare I say it...shaped their (my life) with his being/music/universe

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Although...if I was being picky, you have only mentioned fans/admiring locals and people on his payroll - staff, bands...

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This does not make an honest, holistic world...

^^^Thanks. I'd also point out that everybody must earn their daily bread, so I don't think there's any compromise in the integrity of Prince's people's involvement being paid for. They were paid to defer to his command--call it a blessing, I guess, as they've all been left with more, better, or at least enhanced skills from what they initially brought to his camp. He was that kind of influential character if you could stand whatever hijinx, b.s., and serious drilling that came along with the gig, judging from what meager texts I've read about him over the years. Besides, having ideas plus the people to implement them and the audience to receive them constructs the "world of Prince," so maybe we should apply equal credence toward each element of that world. Enough from me, for now!

Just because you are on your own doesn't mean you are lonely. I think he had some great people around him that did love him, but I think he enjoyed his own company and doing what he wanted on his own. I am the same way. He likely appreciated his quiet evening time where he could play the instruments and record as he felt without any interuputions maybe?

Also I do not believe for one moment it was suicide because that would go against his faith and also he had that appointment the next day for help. It was an accident. I think he went to the Pharmacy and got that script filled, my heart goes out to whoever filled that because you would feel bad even if it is not your fault & I am still left wondering though ........ what were the test results the doctor was taking that day????

I know it is not our right to know - but I think if we knew it was more than just an accidental overdose it would make it seem less senseless.

What a dreadful day again, the bandaid is ripped off and the pain is all back for many of us

Prince dictated to those around them what they could eat, yet he is popping pills. Hypocrite.

controversy99 said:

Some questions: 1. Who knew Prince took pain killers? 2. Who knew Prince had troubles with overuse and/or detoxing? 3. Did Prince partially die of shame, hiding his use of pain killers even from closest friends? It's interesting and saddening that Tamron Hall, for example, seemed to have no idea about the pain killers. She and Prince spoke for hours and hours about personal and likely intimate issues, even in the last week of his life. But at least two people had to know when he started taking them. And a small few people apparently knew he was recently overusing them, for whatever reason. [Edited 6/2/16 16:41pm]

Tamron was a sycophantic fan. She never would have challagened him.

SoulAlive said:

Militant said:

I wish he would have gotten help sooner and slowed down. He shouldn't have been performing, he shouldn't have been flying anywhere..........Prince just didn't know how to stop :'(

I feel the same way.His health should have been a priority.But I know it would have been hard for him to stop performing.

This makes me wonder if performing is the only thing that kept the pain at bay. Disappearing into his music and the love of the fams. I can see him worrying that this tour might be his last, not knowing how life would be after going to rehab or whatever, or feeling that he needed the love from us to get him through, so he pushed himself to finish it.

No more pain.

From what I have learned about fentanyl over the past 12 hours is that this is a serious drug. This sits at the top with the strongest and most intense pain killers. It is usually only prescribed to people who have built up an opioid tolerance already and that giving it to somebody who has no tolerance to opiods is extremely dangerous.

What I can glean from all this is that if Prince was being correctly prescribed the right dosages and he was administering according to his prescription it is unlikely (although not impossible) that he would have od'd. That is provided he avoided other medications such as alternative opioids, certain antibiotics, heart condition medications and even grapefruit juice.

With all this in mind there are only a few possibilities for the reasons for an od:

1). Prince took another medication whilst wearing a fentanyl patch.

2). Prince applied more than one patch.

3). The doctor calculated the wrong dosage.

4). Prince was never prescribed fentanyl and obtained it illigally, administering it without advice or supervision.

I dont know why, but I am ruling out point 2. I dont think Prince would be that stupid to apply more than one patch, especially twice in the space of a week.

Point 1 seems plausible. The problem I have it is that he seemed to make the same mistake twice in a week.

Point 3 could explain why it happened twice in a week. The doctor over prescribed, Prince od'd. Went back to the doctor who prescribed a smaller dose, Prince administered it to himself again, dose was still too high, body now weakened, od'd again.

Point 4 actually makes the most sense to me. No dosage control, no supervision and a man desperate to keep his problems all to himself. It would explain the DEA interest (although point 3 would too).

keenly said:

NorthC said:

JustErin said:

MMJas said:

I weigh 113 pounds and am 63 inches just like Prince. I'm 47. No 10 year olds weighs the same as me, only overweight ones.

[Edited 6/2/16 13:27pm]

My 10 year old is 5'8. He indeed weighs more than you. Lol

Hahaha! Yeah, but he's mighty tall!

Identity said:

Identity said:

Rebeljuice said:

From what I have learned about fentanyl over the past 12 hours is that this is a serious drug. This sits at the top with the strongest and most intense pain killers. It is usually only prescribed to people who have built up an opioid tolerance already and that giving it to somebody who has no tolerance to opiods is extremely dangerous.

What I can glean from all this is that if Prince was being correctly prescribed the right dosages and he was administering according to his prescription it is unlikely (although not impossible) that he would have od'd. That is provided he avoided other medications such as alternative opioids, certain antibiotics, heart condition medications and even grapefruit juice.

With all this in mind there are only a few possibilities for the reasons for an od:

1). Prince took another medication whilst wearing a fentanyl patch.

2). Prince applied more than one patch.

3). The doctor calculated the wrong dosage.

4). Prince was never prescribed fentanyl and obtained it illigally, administering it without advice or supervision.

I dont know why, but I am ruling out point 2. I dont think Prince would be that stupid to apply more than one patch, especially twice in the space of a week.

Point 1 seems plausible. The problem I have it is that he seemed to make the same mistake twice in a week.

Point 3 could explain why it happened twice in a week. The doctor over prescribed, Prince od'd. Went back to the doctor who prescribed a smaller dose, Prince administered it to himself again, dose was still too high, body now weakened, od'd again.

Point 4 actually makes the most sense to me. No dosage control, no supervision and a man desperate to keep his problems all to himself. It would explain the DEA interest (although point 3 would too).

I like the way you presented this (despite the sad circumstances), it brings a bit of clarity into this chaos or questions and helped me process my own thoughts. Thank you!

Rebeljuice said:

From what I have learned about fentanyl over the past 12 hours is that this is a serious drug. This sits at the top with the strongest and most intense pain killers. It is usually only prescribed to people who have built up an opioid tolerance already and that giving it to somebody who has no tolerance to opiods is extremely dangerous.

What I can glean from all this is that if Prince was being correctly prescribed the right dosages and he was administering according to his prescription it is unlikely (although not impossible) that he would have od'd. That is provided he avoided other medications such as alternative opioids, certain antibiotics, heart condition medications and even grapefruit juice.

With all this in mind there are only a few possibilities for the reasons for an od:

1). Prince took another medication whilst wearing a fentanyl patch.

2). Prince applied more than one patch.

3). The doctor calculated the wrong dosage.

4). Prince was never prescribed fentanyl and obtained it illigally, administering it without advice or supervision.

I dont know why, but I am ruling out point 2. I dont think Prince would be that stupid to apply more than one patch, especially twice in the space of a week.

Point 1 seems plausible. The problem I have it is that he seemed to make the same mistake twice in a week.

Point 3 could explain why it happened twice in a week. The doctor over prescribed, Prince od'd. Went back to the doctor who prescribed a smaller dose, Prince administered it to himself again, dose was still too high, body now weakened, od'd again.

Point 4 actually makes the most sense to me. No dosage control, no supervision and a man desperate to keep his problems all to himself. It would explain the DEA interest (although point 3 would too).

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It wasn't Point 1. If it was then this would have been included in the autopsy report that was published as a combo of drugs as cause of death. But it didn't.

Point 3 is highly unlikely.

Point 2 and 4 are the most likely imo. They are essentially the same point.

Plus no proper, ongoing medical supervision of his pain and addiction problems by one doctor and trying to keep it all to himself. Plus no close life partner who would insist on taking him to hospital or specialist to get it sorted. Just employees and temporary girlfriends and musicians all moving in and out of his life.

NorthC said:

So this fentanyl is 50 times stronger than heroin and you can get it in the pharmacy while posession of heroin will send you to jail? You know what, I think this world is crazy. [Edited 6/3/16 1:34am]

NO, the system works like this. Those who acquiesce with the system are crazy. Those of us who are awake encounter abuse for exposing this.

Time to wake up people.

Some harsh comments still about Prince here can't some of you just let the guy rest in peace. He made mistakes like we all do

[Edited 6/3/16 4:50am]

mailaccount63 said:

isobelfq said:

also, him being a jehovah's witness, surgery may not have been an option for him.

I really, really have to question this! Because my cousin had hip replacement surgery and she did NOT need a blood transfusion! Whoever was telling Prince that he couldn't have the surgery was just plain wrong!

Seems according to the scar on his hip he did have the surgery so can people let that lie go already.

There is nothing about being a JW that keeps people from having surgeries. Heck, if the "chance of a blood transfusion" was enough (as there is no madatoroy transfusion with hip surgery) then women wouldn't have kids either because there is a risk.

CalhounSq said:

This pisses me off all over again. WHY was he fucking with something so strong?? WHY did his people leave him alone ONE WEEK AFTER AN OVERDOSE???!!!! WHY do people think they're bigger than any drug?? Especially his little ass???!!! The same shit that recently killed one of his peers, & he's fucking with that... Mannnnn, I just fucking can't... He didn't have to go, this was needless. Clearly he wasn't in control because of what had happened a week before, he should have NEVER been left alone UNTIL he got help. FUUUUUCK

Rebeljuice said:

From what I have learned about fentanyl over the past 12 hours is that this is a serious drug. This sits at the top with the strongest and most intense pain killers. It is usually only prescribed to people who have built up an opioid tolerance already and that giving it to somebody who has no tolerance to opiods is extremely dangerous.

What I can glean from all this is that if Prince was being correctly prescribed the right dosages and he was administering according to his prescription it is unlikely (although not impossible) that he would have od'd. That is provided he avoided other medications such as alternative opioids, certain antibiotics, heart condition medications and even grapefruit juice.

With all this in mind there are only a few possibilities for the reasons for an od:

1). Prince took another medication whilst wearing a fentanyl patch.

2). Prince applied more than one patch.

3). The doctor calculated the wrong dosage.

4). Prince was never prescribed fentanyl and obtained it illigally, administering it without advice or supervision.

I dont know why, but I am ruling out point 2. I dont think Prince would be that stupid to apply more than one patch, especially twice in the space of a week.

Point 1 seems plausible. The problem I have it is that he seemed to make the same mistake twice in a week.

Point 3 could explain why it happened twice in a week. The doctor over prescribed, Prince od'd. Went back to the doctor who prescribed a smaller dose, Prince administered it to himself again, dose was still too high, body now weakened, od'd again.

Point 4 actually makes the most sense to me. No dosage control, no supervision and a man desperate to keep his problems all to himself. It would explain the DEA interest (although point 3 would too).

I think many rational people would conclude point 4 is the most likely – by these possibilities

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Prince was a 57yr old man with almost 40yrs in the entertainment industry

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An industry rife with drugs, alcohol and excess

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Performing would have resulted in pain management for many years

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Therefore drugs were not knew to Prince…regardless of how he interacted with them

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Therefore, logically…substance abuse is most likely

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The reasons for why he was choosing to self-medicate and why nobody was keeping an eye on him after the near overdose a week earlier on the plane – that is more complex...

BeauGurl said:

I don't understand how it can be concluded with any certainty that this was an "accidental" overdose? Are there any statistics to show what percent of people have accidentaly overdosed on opiates TWICE IN A WEEK, once near-fatal and then fatal? It has to be an exremely minute number. Reading that he was wearing all black and weighed 112 pounds when they found him in the elevator just adds to the growing list of suspicions that an intentional overdose is a possibilty. Absent a suicide note, how would anybody but Prince truly know?

It could be deemed accidental if there is no sign that the person was highly depressed, left a suicide note, or if the toxicity of the drugs in his system is not so high that under normal circumstances it would cause death.

What bothers me the most is the way people are making him out to be an addict. THAT is information we do not have and may never have. If it comes out that this was a prescribed drug, then it could simply be that he indeed had a bad drug interaction and it cost him his life (something that happens every day).

He was having a specialist come in, so it could also be that after his situation on the plane, he realized that this drug was just not good for him and wanted to meet with another doctor who could help wean his body off of it and give him something else that would help manage his pain.

That night we do not know how long it was between the last time he used the fetanyl since the plane ride and he may have been in such pain that night that he took a risk. If it was indeed in patch form, I would guess he put it on himself earlier that night and went about his business....no one commented on him being off, he went out, took in a show, etc.

It may have been that when he was dropped off just happened to be the time his body simply gave out on him.

Nothing nefarious and no "serious addiction" problem. Just his body couldn't deal with the drug any longer.

rap said:

laurarichardson said:

rap said:

So, Prince was an addict? What a fuckin' hypocrite!!!

--- Yes, because he had no health issues that led him pain killers. If you read the report he had a long surgical scar going down his leg he had some procedure done on his right leg. We do not know how how procedure went and what sort of pain he was in. I have never used drugs in my whole life but I have no tolerance for pain and would not see pain med consumption as being the same as s crack.

Legal meds are more dangerous than crack cocaine, smack and most other drugs.