Giovanni777 said:

RiotPaisley said:

Look folks- so say he had allowed someone to stay at Paisley that night but just asked not to be bothered. He goes down to the studio and does whatever and falls out, even if someone was there it doesn't mean they would have found him in time. Even if they had narcan on them, it doesn't do any good unless you got eyes on a person 24/7. It was his time to go. Sucks it had to be this way but there was a reason. That reason may not be clear now but as someone also said- it all comes out in the wash, in time. Hang tough all you True Purple Funk Soldiers, it's coming.

Word. Besides being a musician, multi-instrumentalist, and audio engineer, I'm also pretty well equipped in Psychology. There are several "signs" that he knew what was coming, as we know he always had foresight. The photo at the piano tells all.

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His entire artistic message has always been to overcome obstacles, break barriers, and unite. Let's not forget that Prince, besides being the most brilliant musician, lyricist, songwriter, arranger, and performer of all time, always fought to live in the everlasting now. He beat everything in his life by himself, and his way. He almost beat this... I believe that he thought he could... I can relate. I'm a loner/survivor.

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Agreed

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There is also DENIAL

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I didn't know Prince personally - but from what I know of him musically (following for 30-odd yrs), there was an arrogance which created great beauty but also an element of denial (shown in his isolation).

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We will never know the reasons that lead to him dying alone in an elevator - although it is clear he was a haunted man - something I relate to through his music

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He pushed people away - as "Loners" do - trust issues, denial, paranoia, control

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So for him not to share is unsurprising - weakness is never tolerated right?

EyeOfOlympus said:

I feared this...

Eerily correct prediction made 12 years ago.

Identity said:

Eerily correct prediction made 12 years ago.

Fuck.

I have to say "I get it". I had chronic pain in my neck (bulging disk) and if the pain meds didn't make me sick over the 8 month timeline, I would have easily become addicted. Never say never, I was lucky to have an operation to fix mine. I don't know if Prince had his hip operation because of his beliefs, some say he did, other's say he didn't. Either way, he's at peace now and I will always respect his accomplishments, artistic masters, and will miss him!

Connected said:

1contessa said:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/health/prince-death-opioid-overdose/index.html

This is CNN's report on Prince's death by fentanyl.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/10/health/fentanyl-new-heroin-deadlier/

This is CNN's report on the fentanyl epidemic in America.

http://www.startribune.com/prince-died-from-opioid-overdose/381663221/

The Minneapolis Star Tribune article provides highlights of the medical examiner's report and a summary of previously reported aspects of the case. A reaction by Matt Fink is included at the end of the article.

Identity said:

Eerily correct prediction made 12 years ago.

Geez

BeauGurl said:

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The number of unintentional overdose deaths from prescription pain relievers should give us all pause. So scary, so heartbreaking.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_DEATH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-06-02-19-58-04

This is the Associated Press's report of Prince's death. The Associated Press notes that authorities are likely examining who may have provided him with the fentanyl.

I...never thought in an million years, we would lose both legends Michael Jackson and Prince in such an simular fashion. What's worse both of them was alone...isolated from loved ones that could had saved them. Something has to be done with perscription drug abuse in this country.

"The river of addiction flows...there will be no water, when the fire blows." - Pop Life

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they say guys like Elvis and Prince were alone, but if they were, it was partly by choice. Many of us would give our right leg to spend time with someone like that. i understand the isolating forces of fame and the way it makes people reclusive but it seems ridiculous for them to be lonely, there are millions of people out there who don't have anyone to spend time with them. So, sometimes, i don't know what to make of that syndrome.

PeteSilas said:

they say guys like Elvis and Prince were alone, but if they were, it was partly by choice. Many of us would give our right leg to spend time with someone like that. i understand the isolating forces of fame and the way it makes people reclusive but it seems ridiculous for them to be lonely, there are millions of people out there who don't have anyone to spend time with them. So, sometimes, i don't know what to make of that syndrome.

I think it is about (as corny as it sounds)... "life balance".

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When you can consume as much...whenever you want...then certain voices in your head overtake others.

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It can become that you look at other people as objects rather than fellow beings - a "messiah complex" if you like.

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I truly am sorry for Prince because he had so much to give on a universal level - but I believe he was unable to be as open on a personal level

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Maybe that is why he was only ever "intimate" on record - or with an audience

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There is a great sory by Susan Rogers about the best recording she ever did with Prince...real heartbreaking acoustic song - and then he wiped it...because he didn't wish to let himself be exposed

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Ultimately though...we have to expose ourselves and share...and hope to be accepted in the most intimate ways

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Maybe something Elvis and Prince were to insecure to do - so they did it with the barrier of performance

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Just a theory...

Connected said:

PeteSilas said:

they say guys like Elvis and Prince were alone, but if they were, it was partly by choice. Many of us would give our right leg to spend time with someone like that. i understand the isolating forces of fame and the way it makes people reclusive but it seems ridiculous for them to be lonely, there are millions of people out there who don't have anyone to spend time with them. So, sometimes, i don't know what to make of that syndrome.

I think it is about (as corny as it sounds)... "life balance".

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When you can consume as much...whenever you want...then certain voices in your head overtake others.

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It can become that you look at other people as objects rather than fellow beings - a "messiah complex" if you like.

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I truly am sorry for Prince because he had so much to give on a universal level - but I believe he was unable to be as open on a personal level

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Maybe that is why he was only ever "intimate" on record - or with an audience

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There is a great sory by Susan Rogers about the best recording she ever did with Prince...real heartbreaking acoustic song - and then he wiped it...because he didn't wish to let himself be exposed

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Ultimately though...we have to expose ourselves and share...and hope to be accepted in the most intimate ways

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Maybe something Elvis and Prince were to insecure to do - so they did it with the barrier of performance

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Just a theory...

i agree with you, just an extra aside though, I've gotten a few standing ovations and girls screaming my time, not much mind you, and I could understand how intoxicating and powerful that makes one feel. I couldn't imagine dealing with that kind of adulation all the time, it would almost be like being hideous in terms of how isolating that is. bruce springsteen said once something along the lines of the best thing you can do for an artist is to treat them like a human being. all that hero worship leads to a fall, Prince knew that, he said it before yet and still he fell prey.

koortl said:

naw, i could see him being a hardcore addict before i see him committing suicide. Addicts have a gazillion ways to rationalize what they do. Bruce Lee was told point fucking blank that he could die if he ingested cannibis leaves again, so what does he do? he goes and eats them again and croaks. An addict can't stop, that's why they are called addicts. And we all got something, I just ate the fuck out some cupcakes, and as bad as I feel right now, i'll probably do the same thing again tomorrow while I lie to myself that i'm going to lose weight. Why are we like this? Pressure? the modern world? what the fuck is it?

Allanya said:

panpac777 said:

I'm not arguing with anyone! This was planned. He was either pumped up with this drug and murdered for his vault/estate or he is alive like Sly and retired.

Either way we will never know the truth now. I would like to see the Elevator video though.

His family better have that WILL in hand or WB is going to fake one and get it all!

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Black boxer briefs? He told Mel B in an interview that underwear is inconceivable!

rap said:

Allanya said:

Black boxer briefs? He told Mel B in an interview that underwear is inconceivable!

dude was pushing 60, i think he had the boxers.

lrn36 said:

Ok, I heard this story a few weeks ago from someone I know. It could be bs, but I will throw it out there, but take it with a large grain of salt. This person's doctor supposedly knew the doctors who performed Prince's hip surgery. Apparently he was suffering from severe hip pain. Sheila E, who knew one of the doctors because of her own health related issues with performing, convinced Prince to come to California and get hip replacement surgery in 2010. He supposedly had surgery on his hip and ankle.

The kicker is the doctor said Prince aggraverated his hip problem by performing in 2011. The hip replacement wasn't designed to sustain long term, rigorous activity. Take a look at the Welcome To... concerts in 2011. Prince was dancing and moving around the stage for 2 or more hours. There are some clips of him jumping off his piano. There's the segment where he is dancing intensely in heels to Cool/Don't Stop to You Get Enough medley.

I've read that doctors only started recommending hip replacement surgery to patients under 60 because the advancement in materials. Before that doctors wouldn't perform hip replacement on younger patients for fear of damaging the articial hip and causing further problems.

When I first heard this, I thought the doctor was probably full of it, but then I saw Prince had a scar on his hip and ankle amde me think twice.

Here is a list of activities tht can damage an artificial hip.

https://www.hipreplacemen...y/activity

Leisure and Sport Activities
There are different risks associated with certain types of leisure and sport activities. Some activities may lead to damage of your artificial joint over time due to wear and tear of the joint. In general, the more vigorous the activity, the higher the risk of damaging the implant, increasing the wear and tear on the implant, or increasing the risk of loosening or dislocating the implant.

Three major categories of activities should be avoided. These include:

• Activities that cause high-impact stresses on the implant
• Activities with potentially high risk of injury
• Activities that may result in falling or getting tangled with opponents, risking dislocation of the joint itself or a fracture of the bone around the implant. These types of activities include competitive racquet sports (such as singles tennis, squash, and racquetball), high-impact aerobics, high intensity jogging, water skiing, power gliding, Alpine skiing, mogul skiing, martial arts, rope jumping, and rough contact sports (such as football, soccer, lacrosse, basketball, baseball, handball, and volleyball)

Lower-stress activities such as golf, hiking, walking, biking, stationary skiing (e.g., Nordic Track), and swimming are excellent forms of exercise for individuals with a hip replacement. Others may also be considered for long-term sports or leisure activities including cross-country skiing, doubles tennis, table tennis, and bowling.

The way a hip replacement will perform depends on your age, weight, activity level and other factors. There are potential risks and recovery takes time. If you have conditions that limit rehabilitation, you should not have this surgery. Only an orthopaedic surgeon can tell you if hip replacement is right for you.

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I was at this concert. Thank you for posting this. Regarding what you wrote, it breaks my heart to think of how much pain Prince had to be in. Whether he had the surgery or not, it's still just speculation it seems, but the one thing we do know about Prince, he always gave his all when he performed, and now we know he did so even when he was in a lot of pain.

RiotPaisley said:

Plenty of people who die alone do not die lonely. I don't believe Prince was a lonely man. He believed in love and shared it enough that he never felt alone or unloved. IMO.

And it's hard to hold anger towards those who were around him. Prince was a man who controlled his own agency from day one. These things that people do aren't always open to corrective action by outside sources.

Scarfo said:

I...never thought in an million years, we would lose both legends Michael Jackson and Prince in such an simular fashion. What's worse both of them was alone...isolated from loved ones that could had saved them. Something has to be done with perscription drug abuse in this country.

"The river of addiction flows...there will be no water, when the fire blows." - Pop Life

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I know, both cases was so preventable, to me without reading the full autopsy report to looks like mismanagement of chronic pain by their doctors when u think about it

PeteSilas said:

naw, i could see him being a hardcore addict before i see him committing suicide. Addicts have a gazillion ways to rationalize what they do. Bruce Lee was told point fucking blank that he could die if he ingested cannibis leaves again, so what does he do? he goes and eats them again and croaks. An addict can't stop, that's why they are called addicts. And we all got something, I just ate the fuck out some cupcakes, and as bad as I feel right now, i'll probably do the same thing again tomorrow while I lie to myself that i'm going to lose weight. Why are we like this? Pressure? the modern world? what the fuck is it?

You are a funny

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I love my Bruce...never knew he was a pothead!!!

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Another pioneer who created not only a martial art...but also tried to bridge the gap between two warring nations...and wrote (oh my gosh!) how much philosophy?!?!

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My favourite being like water...

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Back to the point on Prince and addiction - it is again about "life balance"...and it is fucking hard to maintain!

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Neverthless...to be real with the people importnat to you - is massive, challenging and scary

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Yet the rewards are integration, security and being loved...over feeling isolated, paranoid and lost...I guess.

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Waffling now! So I'm heading to the bakery... for some waffles!

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Been great reading these posts tonight...cos I felt really sad - first time I posted here since Prince's passing...just couldn't even visit the site since he passed.

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So thank you - and I'm having syrup and cream!!!!

Identity said:

Eerily correct prediction made 12 years ago.

I can't agree with either statement. He did have friends showing their concern for him; a loyal facility and personal staff; a party during his ultimate weekend populated by admiring locals who paid to attend; at least 2 bands on hiatus; a ton of fans awaiting notice of his next imminent solo concert and announcement of a new forthcoming recording project (with his wish for them to save their prayers for his welfare); a record company anxious for him to deal them the product they'd anticipated (whose wishes for his welfare remain suspicious, in these eyes).

Prince was alone when he died. Perhaps one feels the ability to get inside the man's head at that hour to figure whether he was lonely at the time, but that sounds simultaneously spooky and kooky unless you are of his inner circle.

At the very least, lowliest level, he had leagues of player-haters spectating from every angle and conjecturing the worst toward any outcome of whatever he did. The ill speculation toward Prince Nelson that positive supporters must endure is really trifling and tiresome, and dang it, couldn't possibly require prediction. Its coming has been foretold through vast distance of timespace!

I do feel I can say that Prince had seen the light at the end of his tunnel of trials, from the right or wrong end perhaps, relative to your own thought and perspective. Come what may I retain my happy memories of what Prince offered the world.