alphastreet said:

He took G out of alphabet street, maybe it's a clue

mechanicalemotion17 said:

mechanicalemotion17 said:

GirlBrother said:

It could have been love, definitely.

Absolutely.

In that, I don't think that their love has to have anything to do with their sexuality. Nor does their love for each other suggest anything romantic.

And I'm thinking that at least Andre has expressed love for Prince (if not vice versa) publically too. I may be wrong, but I think people can love each other without their being a romantic or sexual component being involved.

That there may have been love between the two I think it almost certain. Beyond that?

OldFriends4Sale said:

joeycocopuffs said:

I'd like to add that while I was reading this old thread (Prince walks off in the middle of a photo shoot? <-- thread title) about P walking out of a Herb Ritts photoshoot because APPEARENTLY Herb complimented him of how sexy he looks?
and P told him to "burn the negatives"?

I hope he's not referring to his lifestyle, is he?

[Edited 5/29/16 23:52pm]

Where you find that photo???

I remember saving that pic from you in another thread awhile back

[Edited 6/3/16 16:34pm]

GirlBrother said:

iloveyeshua said:

So what if he personally disagreed with someone's lifestyle/sexual preference? He clearly had love for everyone as a human being. Isn't that enough? Disagreeing with a lifestyle preference doesn't make anyone hateful or mean. It just means they use their brain and are entitled to disagree.

Anybody whom thinks that an orientation is a preference, isn't using their brain. iloveyeshua said:

Freedom of speech, religion and the press. It's ok to agree to disagree. What's to forgive?

Freedom from speech, religion, and the press is just as important to many individuals.

So defensive about everything. Why? What is so offensive about someone loving their Creator and wanting to follow HIS plan for our life? What's so wrong with sharing that love so that others can be free from the weight and pressures of the world? The rules that HE gave us were for our own protection, to keep us safe. HE is not a tyrant by any means, so if HE says that HE disapproves of something, then I will disapprove of it because HE knows the plans He has for us and they are meant for good, not evil. He loved us so much that He wants to be in fellowship with us.

As a side note...my beliefs do not isolate sin to homosexuality. Adultry, lies, covetousness, greed, theft, murder and a multitude of other sins are also are unacceptable to GOD, and therefore are unacceptable to me.... in no way am I a homophobe or a bigot or whatever else. at the end of it all, we will all have to account for our life here on earth. And the funny thing is, LGBTQ mocks Christ in parades, picks on Him dying on the cross for their SINS and ours and HE will still love them anyway because that is who HE is. GOD is LOVE. When you love a child, you correct them too. if a child steals, you don't congratulate them for it. You sit them down and tell them why they shouldn't steal. You correct the behavior. My disapproval is not in hate, but it is in love. If your heart is not right in your disagreeing with Princes' beliefs, maybe you should reexamine why that is.

joeycocopuffs said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Where you find that photo???

I remember saving that pic from you in another thread awhile back

[Edited 6/3/16 16:34pm]

It was from an Herb Ritts gallery showing of his photos of famous people

OldFriends4Sale said:

joeycocopuffs said:

I'd like to add that while I was reading this old thread (Prince walks off in the middle of a photo shoot? <-- thread title) about P walking out of a Herb Ritts photoshoot because APPEARENTLY Herb complimented him of how sexy he looks?
and P told him to "burn the negatives"?

I hope he's not referring to his lifestyle, is he?

[Edited 5/29/16 23:52pm]

Didn't Herb Ritts take these photos?

I think Mathew Rolston took these for Batman in '89. Prince only worked with Herb Ritts that one time in late 1991.

Funkmeimfamous said:

I think we can all admit that around TRC, Prince said and did things that totally contradicted his former messages of inclusion and individuality. I gravited towards Prince because I felt he made it ok to be different. At his absolute best he compelled his audience to discover their authentic selves. The deeper he got into JW teachings, the further he moved away from this. Did he not have listening parties around TRC where he told a Muslim woman to find Christ and where larry equated homosexuality to his own drug addiction?? Yuck. I just think prince was in too deep at this point. He was so intense and an all or nothing type character (in everything he did!) that I think there was a period where he fully committed himself to the religion but just like with everything else (thankfully) this waned over time.

Yup, it seemed like he was moving toward a more...relaxed (for lack of a better word) spirituality at the end...

iloveyeshua said:

As a side note...my beliefs do not isolate sin to homosexuality. Adultry, lies, covetousness, greed, theft, murder and a multitude of other sins are also are unacceptable to GOD, and therefore are unacceptable to me....

Okay... I see where you're coming from now. Homosexuality is on the same level as murder.

Alrighty then...

iloveyeshua said:

If your heart is not right in your disagreeing with Princes' beliefs, maybe you should reexamine why that is.

Perhaps you should reexamine why so many non-heterosexuals were confused by a man wearing make-up, frilly shirts, and high heels, telling them that they were in a "dirty world" while he continued to screech like a bitch and preen like a peacock.

Adorecream said:

GirlBrother said:

GirlBrother said:

iloveyeshua said:

iloveyeshua said:

It is really sad how conservative Prince became as he aged. The comments about it being fun in Muslim countries because there is only one religion was scary too. That would be my idea of hell being in a country where I am not allowed free will (especially as a very headstrong woman) and choice of religion (or not in my case - I used to be very religious as a child but as I hit my mid teens I eventually went through the thinking that if God made us this way he is the one that is responsible for everything we are and it was also ridiculous to judge people on whether they believed or not when he left such poor evidence to convince us and if God felt the need to judge his own creation he should be judging our hearts not our pleas to be saved on their death beds - I realised I was being a bit judgemental of my God and decided religion was no longer for me). I say this flippantly but it took several years to work through (I really tried to find a way to fit my thinking to my faith but I couldn't find a way to make it work) and it was torturous at the time.

I have noticed that I have become a little more conservative as I get older. I sometimes think "I would have never done that " but then I think back some more and often remember that I did! I have to fight that sort of thinking.

Although the slaughter in Orlando may not have been executed for religious reasons, it gives horrible proof once again that the forces of hate are still trying to repress us. No one is given genes that force people to hate. Hate is always being inculcated. Religion is playing no small part in that. I am a man, I love to kiss other men, I love being tenderly with other men, I love making love with men. I feel no shame about it. But I feel a strong urge to withstand the forces of hate. They won't get us all.

EloiseEloise said:

I knew a guy once who was brilliantly funny - like one of the funniest commedians you could hope to see live funny- and also very smart... Who also was a full time skirt chaser .... i mean , I don't think I have met many males who seem so very geared towards attracting females. His humor was likely also a strategy for attracting mates - not unlike music has a lot to do with a man getting women (one of Prince's early memories of his father was of seeing him perform surrounded by beautiful female dancers, and making his mind up then and there to follow in his dad's footsteps). But this fellow that I knew, also confided that he cross dressed and occasionally also expressed a sexual attraction to males. In between, of course, the exhausting attentions to numerous gorgeous women. I see similarities between this guy and Prince. From how funny they both apparently were, to their hyper sexuality, to their rampant chasing of females and alpha male posing (tHis guy was like Rik Mayall portraying Lord Flasheart in "Blackadder" though Prince was different but still an Alpha Male type) and to their cross dressing and bisexuality. And also to their struggles with shyness. ...this is another feature. And it is also noted that those who struggle with identity issues or who do not fit in with society's ideas of gender/sexual identity, rather, tend to suffer much more from anxiety disorders. This guy I knew had social anxiety for a period of time during his twenties. But I also think that the anxiety comes also from having thin boundaries in genreal. And all the felt weight of potential that comes from this. [Edited 6/3/16 9:14am] [Edited 6/3/16 9:16am]

I was watching the Chris Rock interview with Prince, and despite the comment about not wanting to sing "your butt is mine" to MJ, it did seem he was a bit more "open" around that time. Chris Rock asked him if some of the androgyny was also about him exploring his sexuality, and he didn't balk at the suggestion, instead saying "that's a good question," and responded that he was a "true gemini" with the suggestion that some of it was acting, and some of it was exploration.

Then... only a few years later, Prince is studying JW scripture, and I think we can all see a rather dramatic shift in his attitude.

Purpleone4Eva said:

EloiseEloise said:

I knew a guy once who was brilliantly funny - like one of the funniest commedians you could hope to see live funny- and also very smart... Who also was a full time skirt chaser .... i mean , I don't think I have met many males who seem so very geared towards attracting females. His humor was likely also a strategy for attracting mates - not unlike music has a lot to do with a man getting women (one of Prince's early memories of his father was of seeing him perform surrounded by beautiful female dancers, and making his mind up then and there to follow in his dad's footsteps). But this fellow that I knew, also confided that he cross dressed and occasionally also expressed a sexual attraction to males. In between, of course, the exhausting attentions to numerous gorgeous women. I see similarities between this guy and Prince. From how funny they both apparently were, to their hyper sexuality, to their rampant chasing of females and alpha male posing (tHis guy was like Rik Mayall portraying Lord Flasheart in "Blackadder" though Prince was different but still an Alpha Male type) and to their cross dressing and bisexuality. And also to their struggles with shyness. ...this is another feature. And it is also noted that those who struggle with identity issues or who do not fit in with society's ideas of gender/sexual identity, rather, tend to suffer much more from anxiety disorders. This guy I knew had social anxiety for a period of time during his twenties. But I also think that the anxiety comes also from having thin boundaries in genreal. And all the felt weight of potential that comes from this. [Edited 6/3/16 9:14am] [Edited 6/3/16 9:16am]

I was watching the Chris Rock interview with Prince, and despite the comment about not wanting to sing "your butt is mine" to MJ, it did seem he was a bit more "open" around that time. Chris Rock asked him if some of the androgyny was also about him exploring his sexuality, and he didn't balk at the suggestion, instead saying "that's a good question," and responded that he was a "true gemini" with the suggestion that some of it was acting, and some of it was exploration.

Then... only a few years later, Prince is studying JW scripture, and I think we can all see a rather dramatic shift in his attitude.

Freedom can appear to be dangerous to people. Prince was seeking freedom in all possible ways. Once he gained most of what he was seeking he was somehow lost. That happens to quite a few people. Once people are free of whatever they felt supressed by, they're looking out for the handrail that they used to rely on. I think he had lost somewhere on his way to personal and artistic freedom and need religion as his personal handrail. It's always those who are not free that want to supress other people's right to choose. What did he do once he gained freedom from the "evil empire Warner Bros."? Not much of significance, right?

rogifan said:

I don't think Prince had a hateful bone in his body but he was clearly a heterosexual male and I'm not convinced he was all that comfortable with homosexuality (though again he certainly didn't hate gay people). This quote from an Entertainment Weekly interview from 2004 clearly indicates he was uncomfortable holding hands with another man.

Being a role model doesn't mean Prince lacks mentors of his own, like Stevie Wonder. "His insight is priceless," says Prince. It's easy to see why he would connect with Wonder. Both are undisputed musical geniuses who fought for -- and got -- total creative control over their music. Prince Rogers Nelson was just 19 when he signed a multimillion-dollar, three-album deal with Warner Bros. in 1977. A wunderkind from Minneapolis who could play a dozen instruments by ear and wanted to combine James, Jimi, and Sly into a single, idiosyncratic sound, Prince used his freedom to create three albums of mounting brilliance that set the stage for his '80s reign -- and, perhaps, for a profound sense of entitlement. So what is he learning from Stevie these days? "I just learn by watching him," he says. "One day, he wanted to show me what it's like for him to experience the world, to actually feel a piece of music, so he held my hand. Here, hold my hand." Prince extends his palm, and I take it. It's warm and dry, and his nails are exquisitely manicured. "Now at first, it's like 'Whoa, I'm holding hands with a man!'" He quickly released his grip and throws his hands up. "Now, those thoughts and feelings are mine, and we all have to work those things out for ourselves. But then I started thinking what it means for Stevie to be able to hold someone's hand -- anyone's hand, even a man's. He's telling me he respects me. And by extension, he's teaching me that I have to have that same respect for everybody in life."

I don't care whether he was or wasn't comfortable with homosexuality. No one ist forced to watch a homosexual act and no one is forced to partake in homosexual acts. If it's not your cup of tea, just brew your own. But shut the fuck up when it comes to "teach" people of what you want your god to tell you about sexuality. I don't think that the Stevie Wonder-story is of any significance, apart from the fact that Prince might have had a problem with physical contact generally. Or maybe Prince was stupid, because only an idiot would deny a sightless person the right to see by touching.

Religion just causes all kinds of troubling issues. The whole JW thing was weird.

CROWNS1 said:

Religion just causes all kinds of troubling issues. The whole JW thing was weird.

...to say the least. Once again, if one has a problem with freedom, one might accept religion as a guiding line. But one has no right to teach other people of their "wrong doing", if what they like to do might clash with one's belief. Otherwise the Orlando-killer might be excused because of his religious beliefs - if he had any. We don't know yet if he was killing on behalf of the so called Islamic State. But if he had, he did chose a guiding line that was all about money, greed and hate being disguised as a religious cult.

GirlBrother said:

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Prince was a bisexual whom was in heavy denial of his capacity to find other men sexually attractive.

He could have been. Or he might have flirted with the idea for a while. He was barely 30 at the time he had written some of his freethinking-manifestation. He was certainly open to a lot of things at that time. But if he ever was attracted to a man - who knows? What matters is that in the 80's he was very welcoming of freaky folk. I liked his vibe, then.

nonesuch said:

endiadj said:

nonesuch said:

Freedom can appear to be dangerous to people. Prince was seeking freedom in all possible ways. Once he gained most of what he was seeking he was somehow lost. That happens to quite a few people. Once people are free of whatever they felt supressed by, they're looking out for the handrail that they used to rely on. I think he had lost somewhere on his way to personal and artistic freedom and need religion as his personal handrail. It's always those who are not free that want to supress other people's right to choose. What did he do once he gained freedom from the "evil empire Warner Bros."? Not much of significance, right?

maybe his latter music was significant to him even if the gp didn't take to it.

Maybe. Prince mattered to the "gp" when he was adventurous, didn't he? And I can understand why the "gp" didn't take to Prince for this whole man-woman-shit that he had put into "The Rainbow Cildren".