destinyc1 said:

BINGO...... I'm thinking there is a child out there.Somehow they contacted the two attorneys or whoever tyka has involved.Bottom line its game on bitches.jmho

A couple of weeks ago, there was an article somewhere that said that Bremer Trust had gone through pretty much every box of papers they could find, and that they had come across some correspondence that suggested that there may be a will somewhere. If this correspondence had the law firms name on it, maybe that's how they knew who to contact.

Why is anyone under the impression that a beneficiary would be a child?

It could just as easily be an individual, an organization, or even a blood relative. Perhaps that firm set up a Trust that earmarked proceeds from future earnings to the benefit of a particular individual.

In any case, everything is speculation. Until Bremer completes the inventory, there is no way to know which assets belong to the estate, and which assets may have previously been conveyed to a Trust or other entity.

EnDoRpHn said:

Why is anyone under the impression that a beneficiary would be a child?

It could just as easily be an individual, an organization, or even a blood relative. Perhaps that firm set up a Trust that earmarked proceeds from future earnings to the benefit of a particular individual.

In any case, everything is speculation. Until Bremer completes the inventory, there is no way to know which assets belong to the estate, and which assets may have previously been conveyed to a Trust or other entity.

That's the same thing that I was thinking! The beneficiary doesn't just have to be a child. He could have set a Trust up for whomever he was taking care of to make sure that they would continue to be taken care of after his death.

To me its because of a few key words.Everyone has their thoughts and opinions.But,in my opinion if it was ONLY about a monthly check going here or there.This is bigger some how imho .With it being a child the entire estate changes.

EnDoRpHn said:

destinyc1 said:

BINGO...... I'm thinking there is a child out there.Somehow they contacted the two attorneys or whoever tyka has involved.Bottom line its game on bitches.jmho

You cant even understand how much I love that you said "game on bitches."

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

destinyc1 said:

BINGO...... I'm thinking there is a child out there.Somehow they contacted the two attorneys or whoever tyka has involved.Bottom line its game on bitches.jmho

You cant even understand how much I love that you said "game on bitches."

Seriously you guys, these attorneys would NOT need an attorney/client waiver if it had anything to do with his directives, or a will. or a Trust to a charity.

The Judge said and I quote (the former attorneys for Prince) "might possess confidential information potentially relevant to the DETERMINATION OF THE APPROPRIATE BENEFICIARIES of Decendent's estate and other matters."

Appropriate beneficiaries = children

The former attorneys would MOST certianly need a waiver of attorney/client privilege to reveal this information to the Court due to prior confidentiality clauses in documents prepared by these attorneys.

Seems he knew that having no will readily available and/or litigious estate/probate proceedings would generate enough buzz to carry the story of his music forward to others over a Longer period of time. Right again !!

StopIt said:

Seems he knew that having no will readily available and/or litigious estate/probate proceedings would generate enough buzz to carry the story of his music forward to others over a Longer period of time. Right again !!

That post was sooooooooooo hard to read because of the magical blue, but I got it, and you are sooooooooo right.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

It's not over yet.....

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

You cant even understand how much I love that you said "game on bitches."

Seriously you guys, these attorneys would NOT need an attorney/client waiver if it had anything to do with his directives, or a will. or a Trust to a charity.

The Judge said and I quote (the former attorneys for Prince) "might possess confidential information potentially relevant to the DETERMINATION OF THE APPROPRIATE BENEFICIARIES of Decendent's estate and other matters."

Appropriate beneficiaries = children

The former attorneys would MOST certianly need a waiver of attorney/client privilege to reveal this information to the Court due to prior confidentiality clauses in documents prepared by these attorneys.

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It doesn't necessarily mean children. It could have to do with siblings, half-siblings, Duane being a half-brother or not, etc.

Anything that helps identify a blood relationship would ID an "appropriate beneficiary". But short of a signed will or trust, any other directive (donation, desire, etc) will carry no weight.

The only other option I can think of is that the "working documents" (which is all these are) contain information as to the location of valid will.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

mailaccount63 said:

laytonian said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Seriously you guys, these attorneys would NOT need an attorney/client waiver if it had anything to do with his directives, or a will. or a Trust to a charity.

The Judge said and I quote (the former attorneys for Prince) "might possess confidential information potentially relevant to the DETERMINATION OF THE APPROPRIATE BENEFICIARIES of Decendent's estate and other matters."

Appropriate beneficiaries = children

The former attorneys would MOST certianly need a waiver of attorney/client privilege to reveal this information to the Court due to prior confidentiality clauses in documents prepared by these attorneys.

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It doesn't necessarily mean children. It could have to do with siblings, half-siblings, Duane being a half-brother or not, etc.

Anything that helps identify a blood relationship would ID an "appropriate beneficiary". But short of a signed will or trust, any other directive (donation, desire, etc) will carry no weight.

The only other option I can think of is that the "working documents" (which is all these are) contain information as to the location of valid will.

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I see what you mean that the documents could shed light on the legitimacy of other relatives, most notably Duane, if there is indeed a question about him. However, the rest of his siblings are known and biological and have been involved in the process from the beginning, so it seems unlikely that more documenttion is really needed, unless there's a sibling out there no one knows about. I'd think it's more likely there 's a child out there we don't know about than another sibling.

For the legal folks lurking, would the law firm have needed to go through the judge if it were documentation about the location of a will? Would attorney/client privilege remain in effect about that even after death when there is a probate case ongoing?

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LadyAlchemy said:

Someone must have mentioned this already, but I found this blind item way back in January. Now if the appropriate beneficiary turns out to be his biological child, then it's going to be one of few gossips about our sweet Prince that were actually getting somewhere. Of course, all the gossips in the world are unsubstantiated, so this story shouldn't be taken too seriously. Tho I wish that another item that claims that he requested complete darkness on his flight back home is true. It's so Princey thing to ask for

It turns out that this permanent A+ lister/icon who is a little height challenged does have offspring. He just does not want anyone to know it. He met the mother of the child way back at the peak of his career and she raised the son out of the public spotlight. Apparently the son wants to be noticed now though and wants to come forward. The only thing holding him back is the threat of being cut off financially.

(Entertainment Lawyer 15th Jan 2016)

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....and when Enty did the reveal, he said it was Prince.

But there's really no way to know for sure unless there are legal documents and/or DNA confirmations.
Bennermon was born in 1985.

laytonian said:

LadyAlchemy said:

Someone must have mentioned this already, but I found this blind item way back in January. Now if the appropriate beneficiary turns out to be his biological child, then it's going to be one of few gossips about our sweet Prince that were actually getting somewhere. Of course, all the gossips in the world are unsubstantiated, so this story shouldn't be taken too seriously. Tho I wish that another item that claims that he requested complete darkness on his flight back home is true. It's so Princey thing to ask for (Entertainment Lawyer 15th Jan 2016)

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....and when Enty did the reveal, he said it was Prince.

But there's really no way to know for sure unless there are legal documents and/or DNA confirmations.
Bennermon was born in 1985 BUT this couldn't be about him. The entire story depends on Prince being aware of the child and supporting him for his entire life. Bennermon was adopted out. That would not have happened.

Enty made lots of stuff up. And wasn't a lawyer, either.

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teach49 said:

laytonian said:

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It doesn't necessarily mean children. It could have to do with siblings, half-siblings, Duane being a half-brother or not, etc.

Anything that helps identify a blood relationship would ID an "appropriate beneficiary". But short of a signed will or trust, any other directive (donation, desire, etc) will carry no weight.

The only other option I can think of is that the "working documents" (which is all these are) contain information as to the location of valid will.

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I see what you mean that the documents could shed light on the legitimacy of other relatives, most notably Duane, if there is indeed a question about him. However, the rest of his siblings are known and biological and have been involved in the process from the beginning, so it seems unlikely that more documenttion is really needed, unless there's a sibling out there no one knows about. I'd think it's more likely there 's a child out there we don't know about than another sibling.

For the legal folks lurking, would the law firm have needed to go through the judge if it were documentation about the location of a will? Would attorney/client privilege remain in effect about that even after death when there is a probate case ongoing?

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Do you think Tyka may have had some insight on this? I believe she is listed as the petitioner.

teach49 said:

laytonian said:

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It doesn't necessarily mean children. It could have to do with siblings, half-siblings, Duane being a half-brother or not, etc.

Anything that helps identify a blood relationship would ID an "appropriate beneficiary". But short of a signed will or trust, any other directive (donation, desire, etc) will carry no weight.

The only other option I can think of is that the "working documents" (which is all these are) contain information as to the location of valid will.

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I see what you mean that the documents could shed light on the legitimacy of other relatives, most notably Duane, if there is indeed a question about him. However, the rest of his siblings are known and biological and have been involved in the process from the beginning, so it seems unlikely that more documenttion is really needed, unless there's a sibling out there no one knows about. I'd think it's more likely there 's a child out there we don't know about than another sibling.

For the legal folks lurking, would the law firm have needed to go through the judge if it were documentation about the location of a will? Would attorney/client privilege remain in effect about that even after death when there is a probate case ongoing?

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You would NOT need a waiver of attorney/client privilege if it involved a location of a will. In fact, it is your DUTY as an attorney to come forward.

People dont have wills and then tell their attorneys they cannot tell anyone about the will. That defeats the purpose.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

teach49 said:

I see what you mean that the documents could shed light on the legitimacy of other relatives, most notably Duane, if there is indeed a question about him. However, the rest of his siblings are known and biological and have been involved in the process from the beginning, so it seems unlikely that more documentation is really needed, unless there's a sibling out there no one knows about. I'd think it's more likely there 's a child out there we don't know about than another sibling.

For the legal folks lurking, would the law firm have needed to go through the judge if it were documentation about the location of a will? Would attorney/client privilege remain in effect about that even after death when there is a probate case ongoing?

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You would NOT need a waiver of attorney/client privilege if it involved a location of a will. In fact, it is your DUTY as an attorney to come forward.

People dont have wills and then tell their attorneys they cannot tell anyone about the will. That defeats the purpose.

That's what I thought, but I'm no lawyer. I'm also having a hard time understanding a confidentiality issue for a deceased brother (Duane) relating to some legal interaction of Prince's, or any reason why there'd be a need for confidentiality if he put money in a trust for a charity. Of course, I'm just guessing here (and procrastinating from the real work I need to do), but I can think of several ways that information about a child could be confidential and need the judge's approval. We'll see I guess.

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Because i think duanes portion would go to his children correct?But,would a dna test need 2 be done for sib kids.Or possibly one that wasn't known about.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7377524/prince-2-claim-share-of-estate-half-brother

LBrent said:

All this DNA testing has to be limited because his body was cremated so the available DNA of his isn't infinite. If it gets used up and wasted with frivolous testing for some of the people who are clearly not viable potential heirs...not good. I'm pleased with how the judge is handling it all.

I'm not really sure how DNA testing works, but I thought that they would only have to test Prince's DNA once and then match the result to anyone claiming to be an heir. Can someone shed light on the process?

tmo1965 said:

LBrent said:

tmo1965 said:

I'm not really sure how DNA testing works, but I thought that they would only have to test Prince's DNA once and then match the result to anyone claiming to be an heir. Can someone shed light on the process?

Gotcha. I'm a nurse, but I never was involved in DNA testing. Phew. Thanks for telling me. Now that you've said it, it makes sense. Why did I think DNA testing involved each person being tested and each time P's DNA would be tested? Duuuuuuuh. My way is so dumb. Lol [Edited 7/14/16 18:15pm]

You're not dumb. I could be totally wrong.

tmo1965 said:

LBrent said:

tmo1965 said: Gotcha. I'm a nurse, but I never was involved in DNA testing. Phew. Thanks for telling me. Now that you've said it, it makes sense. Why did I think DNA testing involved each person being tested and each time P's DNA would be tested? Duuuuuuuh. My way is so dumb. Lol [Edited 7/14/16 18:15pm]

You're not dumb. I could be totally wrong.

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DNA results are graphed and compared like this. It's the results that are compared, not each instance of a separate blood draw.
Even a half-sibling will show certain matches. Mitochondrial DNA (which is passed through the mother) can also be used to test results if the two have a mother or sister in common.
It's all kinda complicated but once a DNA test is completed, the graphic results are what are used.
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

StopIt said:

Seems he knew that having no will readily available and/or litigious estate/probate proceedings would generate enough buzz to carry the story of his music forward to others over a Longer period of time. Right again !!

That post was sooooooooooo hard to read because of the magical blue, but I got it, and you are sooooooooo right.

Sorry, I tried to undo the blue and fix it, but it didn't let me. Oh well. Good on you for deciphering it anyway and nice to be among a couple like trained and minded folks here.

laytonian said:

tmo1965 said:

You're not dumb. I could be totally wrong.

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DNA results are graphed and compared like this. It's the results that are compared, not each instance of a separate blood draw.
Even a half-sibling will show certain matches. Mitochondrial DNA (which is passed through the mother) can also be used to test results if the two have a mother or sister in common.
It's all kinda complicated but once a DNA test is completed, the graphic results are what are used.
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