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Reply #150 posted 01/07/16 4:50pm

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terrig said:



DFUNK said:


When we talk about how Prince engages with his fans using Twitter.....are we sure? We don't even know if it is Prince who actually puts the tweets out.



It could be "Debra" from reception for all we know.




It's pretty hard to fake Princes sense of humor, if you've been a fan long enough it's pretty easy to tell it's him.

Plus, I think we know he's not paying someone to tweet at 4 am lololol



He's a night owl, I'm sure it's him. Reads like him too.
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Reply #151 posted 01/07/16 6:02pm

funksterr

terrig said:

I dont know how you get manipulation out of any of it. He's having real conversations about the things he's interested in which is making music playing music and the business of music.

He's funny and he's encouraging people to contribute their thoughts - there's not much to be negative about regarding that .....

[Edited 1/7/16 16:49pm]

You are right. The better word is exploitation 'figure out how to set up a profitable business and distribute my cd's for me because WB is mean to your fave'. See, to some fans, that have business ambitions with Prince this might seem exciting, but it looks to me like he is using the fans as leverage to get a better deal for P2 and in the end they are going to get burned.

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Reply #152 posted 01/07/16 6:19pm

funksterr

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I see where u're coming from. Evidently someone with nearly 40 years of career in the public eye has heard so much about themself that they're hard-skinned and they've also learned to toy with controversy. I remember when I was sort of a small local celebrity in my early 20's, I was too young and I got really devastated by the lies and gossip some people were saying about me, but I also publicized those polemics and accusations a lot because I understood that you can use them in your own favor by playing the "good victim" and giving the image of being a controversial artist.

However I'm not so sure everyone in P's camp is so thick-skinned because they may lack the experience, have "enjoyed" much less exposure or be more sensitive. TC Ellis clearly said in his last interview that he'd been hurt by some of the comments he'd read about himself on fan boards before he learned to find pride in his post musical career accomplishment and stop caring about it.

Regardless of people's resistance anyway, I just believe in good manners and constructive criticism. Prince has always expressed himself in a very cryptic manner and lots of the things he says can indeed be irritating because you're like "WTF?", but I believe there's a certain way of expressing one's disagreement that doesn't involve all the name calling and violent reprobation that I've often read here.

And when it comes to former or current associates I'm pretty certain that some decided that they would never post here because the next thing they know people would jump at them. Or they just don't feel the atmosphere friendly enough to feel they'd want to interact with this community. It's a pity because every time an associate was willing to do a Q&A, we learned a lot of interesting things.


I undesrstand where you are coming from, but if we limit our conversations only to the things the PaisleyPolice find acceptable then are we even having entertaining and worthwhile dialog anymore? What you may find bomabastic frankness rude, others may find humerous and appreciate the honesty. PrinceWorld needs it's boat rocked until they deliver the 80's outtakes unfukked with.

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Reply #153 posted 01/07/16 6:33pm

luvsexy4all

how about a Hit n Run phase 2 PEZ dispenser...comes with a CD

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Reply #154 posted 01/07/16 6:47pm

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luvsexy4all said:

how about a Hit n Run phase 2 PEZ dispenser...comes with a CD

At this rate it would be easier for Prince to get distribution for a PEZ dispenser rather than a CD. lol

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Reply #155 posted 01/07/16 7:26pm

terrig

funksterr said:

terrig said:

I dont know how you get manipulation out of any of it. He's having real conversations about the things he's interested in which is making music playing music and the business of music.

He's funny and he's encouraging people to contribute their thoughts - there's not much to be negative about regarding that .....

[Edited 1/7/16 16:49pm]

You are right. The better word is exploitation 'figure out how to set up a profitable business and distribute my cd's for me because WB is mean to your fave'. See, to some fans, that have business ambitions with Prince this might seem exciting, but it looks to me like he is using the fans as leverage to get a better deal for P2 and in the end they are going to get burned.


thats downright funny. for a few reasons

- prince brainstorming on twitter is a long way from something actually happening
- and as far as leverage goes: WB will laugh their asses off. its not a real serious business idea.

i think Prince is just encouraging the output of ideas. i asked about his wholesale/retail price twice and it was crickets. u know why? he;s not serious lololol and why would that be a serious idea? just because he's engaging in a dialogue doesn't mean anything at all....least of all exploitation.

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Reply #156 posted 01/07/16 7:33pm

luvsexy4all

can someone post a pic of those hnr pics on a pez dispenser.....

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Reply #157 posted 01/07/16 8:38pm

AnonymousFan

terrig said:

funksterr said:

You are right. The better word is exploitation 'figure out how to set up a profitable business and distribute my cd's for me because WB is mean to your fave'. See, to some fans, that have business ambitions with Prince this might seem exciting, but it looks to me like he is using the fans as leverage to get a better deal for P2 and in the end they are going to get burned.


thats downright funny. for a few reasons

- prince brainstorming on twitter is a long way from something actually happening
- and as far as leverage goes: WB will laugh their asses off. its not a real serious business idea.

i think Prince is just encouraging the output of ideas. i asked about his wholesale/retail price twice and it was crickets. u know why? he;s not serious lololol and why would that be a serious idea? just because he's engaging in a dialogue doesn't mean anything at all....least of all exploitation.

Lol, so what is he doing?

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Reply #158 posted 01/07/16 9:18pm

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Why isn't Amazon good enough? Isn't warehousing and shipping kind of what they do well? Set up as a seller, send the CDs to Amazon and let them take care of the rest. I slightly resent buying 1 CD from one place and 1 more from a different place, because P&P to Australia usaully doubles the price. With an established online store I buy up to 6 CDs at once to spread the shipping cost. When I bought 'Superconductor' it was 'sold by [whoever]' but 'fulfilled by Amazon'.

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Reply #159 posted 01/07/16 10:05pm

AnonymousFan

nonamesleft said:

Why isn't Amazon good enough? Isn't warehousing and shipping kind of what they do well? Set up as a seller, send the CDs to Amazon and let them take care of the rest. I slightly resent buying 1 CD from one place and 1 more from a different place, because P&P to Australia usaully doubles the price. With an established online store I buy up to 6 CDs at once to spread the shipping cost. When I bought 'Superconductor' it was 'sold by [whoever]' but 'fulfilled by Amazon'.

Maybe, he doesn't want to pay Amazon.

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Reply #160 posted 01/07/16 11:43pm

Pentacle

AnonymousFan said:

nonamesleft said:

Why isn't Amazon good enough? Isn't warehousing and shipping kind of what they do well? Set up as a seller, send the CDs to Amazon and let them take care of the rest. I slightly resent buying 1 CD from one place and 1 more from a different place, because P&P to Australia usaully doubles the price. With an established online store I buy up to 6 CDs at once to spread the shipping cost. When I bought 'Superconductor' it was 'sold by [whoever]' but 'fulfilled by Amazon'.

Maybe, he doesn't want to pay Amazon.

You always have to pay someone, darling.

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Reply #161 posted 01/07/16 11:44pm

Pentacle

terrig said:


Plus, I think we know he's not paying someone to tweet at 4 am lololol


Some people could surely believe he's having someone tweet at 4am and not paying them...

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Reply #162 posted 01/08/16 1:57am

NorthC

Pentacle said:



terrig said:




Plus, I think we know he's not paying someone to tweet at 4 am lololol




Some people could surely believe he's having someone tweet at 4am and not paying them...

Stop The Apologists TM.


Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I can totally picture him standing behind an employee, looking over that person's shoulder and telling him or her what to type.
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Reply #163 posted 01/08/16 2:33am

funksterr

terrig said:

funksterr said:

You are right. The better word is exploitation 'figure out how to set up a profitable business and distribute my cd's for me because WB is mean to your fave'. See, to some fans, that have business ambitions with Prince this might seem exciting, but it looks to me like he is using the fans as leverage to get a better deal for P2 and in the end they are going to get burned.


thats downright funny. for a few reasons

- prince brainstorming on twitter is a long way from something actually happening
- and as far as leverage goes: WB will laugh their asses off. its not a real serious business idea.

i think Prince is just encouraging the output of ideas. i asked about his wholesale/retail price twice and it was crickets. u know why? he;s not serious lololol and why would that be a serious idea? just because he's engaging in a dialogue doesn't mean anything at all....least of all exploitation.

Excuses................ He clearly said he didn't like the offers he was getting because P1 didn't sell, so now he wantd to bypass traditional distribution and encourage fans to set up a website and sell the cd's to each other. 'Why can't you guys, figure it out?' etc. Nice try with the 'Brainstorming on Twitter' angle, though. smile

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Reply #164 posted 01/08/16 7:24am

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funksterr said:

terrig said:


thats downright funny. for a few reasons

- prince brainstorming on twitter is a long way from something actually happening
- and as far as leverage goes: WB will laugh their asses off. its not a real serious business idea.

i think Prince is just encouraging the output of ideas. i asked about his wholesale/retail price twice and it was crickets. u know why? he;s not serious lololol and why would that be a serious idea? just because he's engaging in a dialogue doesn't mean anything at all....least of all exploitation.

Excuses................ He clearly said he didn't like the offers he was getting because P1 didn't sell, so now he wantd to bypass traditional distribution and encourage fans to set up a website and sell the cd's to each other. 'Why can't you guys, figure it out?' etc. Nice try with the 'Brainstorming on Twitter' angle, though. smile

Exactly, and when a fan asked him why can't you distribute P1 he responded because of numbers.

Clearly WB and TIDAL passed up on a physical release due to the horendous sales of P1. I believe P1 didn't even pass the 10,000 mark in the U.S.

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Reply #165 posted 01/08/16 11:31am

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Pentacle said:

AnonymousFan said:

Maybe, he doesn't want to pay Amazon.

You always have to pay someone, darling.

Stop The Apologists TM.



lol i can see the tweets now "prince, why don't you use amazon?" U PAY THEM AND WE WILL!

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Reply #166 posted 01/08/16 11:56am

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PRINCE really blew it in 2014. I guess it was the same old news, 2 albums, did the minimal to promote, only the SNL performance which had no effects on sales after... No wonder why WB won't distribute PHASE 1 and PHASE 2.

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Reply #167 posted 01/08/16 12:02pm

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IstenSzek said:



Pentacle said:




AnonymousFan said:



Maybe, he doesn't want to pay Amazon.



You always have to pay someone, darling.

Stop The Apologists TM.





lol i can see the tweets now "prince, why don't you use amazon?" U PAY THEM AND WE WILL!

falloff



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Reply #168 posted 01/08/16 12:33pm

RobotDevil

Put the CD in vending machines and people can buy it that way! Include t-shirts, gum, condoms and any other extra leftover Paisley junk he wants to get rid of and make a few extra $$$ that way as well.

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Also, rig up a webcam to the vending machines so that, for an additional fee, you can record a two minute (or whatever) video message to Prince while purchasing your CD or other paraphenalia. He'd never watch all the vids (unless he was bored and wnted to check for hot women razz ) of course, but the idea of 'speaking directly to Prince' would appeal to those hoping to get Prince's attention and generate a few extra $$$ from fans' hopes. He could post the vids to some site and increase traffic and attention to himself b/c people would want to see if he posted their video and/or to see the other weirdos vying for his attention, or telling him off or declaring their love or crying about their broken sand dollars, which I think could be amusing. Or possibly cool, depending on how level-headed and sincere the fan in the video is and what they had to say.

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Set up a 1-800 number and for an insanely extreme dollar amount, the caller can request a live over-the-phone performance of the song of their choosing (this would work well at the moment since he's wanting to do the 'Prince alone with a microphone' concept and he wouldn't have to pay, or have a backing band involved). This may work with a Skype-like program with video too, and he could charge EVEN MORE MONEY then, which would of course go directly to him.

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The problem with these great ideas wink and basically every other idea is that there will be inherent costs to set them up, to run them, etc....there just is really no way to set up a distribution model of any type or format that won't bite into the end profits in some way, and to some degree. And Prince seems to be against that in principle!

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(this post not meant to be taken totally seriously. or maybe it is..? nah lol )

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Reply #169 posted 01/08/16 12:44pm

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RobotDevil said:

Put the CD in vending machines and people can buy it that way! Include t-shirts, gum, condoms and any other extra leftover Paisley junk he wants to get rid of and make a few extra $$$ that way as well.


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Also, rig up a webcam to the vending machines so that, for an additional fee, you can record a two minute (or whatever) video message to Prince while purchasing your CD or other paraphenalia. He'd never watch all the vids (unless he was bored and wnted to check for hot women razz ) of course, but the idea of 'speaking directly to Prince' would appeal to those hoping to get Prince's attention and generate a few extra $$$ from fans' hopes. He could post the vids to some site and increase traffic and attention to himself b/c people would want to see if he posted their video and/or to see the other weirdos vying for his attention, or telling him off or declaring their love or crying about their broken sand dollars, which I think could be amusing. Or possibly cool, depending on how level-headed and sincere the fan in the video is and what they had to say.


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Set up a 1-800 number and for an insanely extreme dollar amount, the caller can request a live over-the-phone performance of the song of their choosing (this would work well at the moment since he's wanting to do the 'Prince alone with a microphone' concept and he wouldn't have to pay, or have a backing band involved). This may work with a Skype-like program with video too, and he could charge EVEN MORE MONEY then, which would of course go directly to him.


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The problem with these great ideas wink and basically every other idea is that there will be inherent costs to set them up, to run them, etc....there just is really no way to set up a distribution model of any type or format that won't bite into the end profits in some way, and to some degree. And Prince seems to be against that in principle!


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(this post not meant to be taken totally seriously. or maybe it is..? nah lol )



I read Prince t-shirts, cum, and gondoms sad

I vote to send this plan in with a female decoy. The decoy will marry Prince and will act as the org's voice. She will exist only to push our agenda.
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Reply #170 posted 01/08/16 1:42pm

terrig

funksterr said:

terrig said:


thats downright funny. for a few reasons

- prince brainstorming on twitter is a long way from something actually happening
- and as far as leverage goes: WB will laugh their asses off. its not a real serious business idea.

i think Prince is just encouraging the output of ideas. i asked about his wholesale/retail price twice and it was crickets. u know why? he;s not serious lololol and why would that be a serious idea? just because he's engaging in a dialogue doesn't mean anything at all....least of all exploitation.

Excuses................ He clearly said he didn't like the offers he was getting because P1 didn't sell, so now he wantd to bypass traditional distribution and encourage fans to set up a website and sell the cd's to each other. 'Why can't you guys, figure it out?' etc. Nice try with the 'Brainstorming on Twitter' angle, though. smile


How do u even get to 'excuses' - all Prince is doing is chatting with people, - it is nowhere near exploitation or manipulation....thats my point. My point is SO WHAT? How does that become nefarious?

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Reply #171 posted 01/08/16 1:44pm

terrig

RobotDevil said:

Put the CD in vending machines and people can buy it that way! Include t-shirts, gum, condoms and any other extra leftover Paisley junk he wants to get rid of and make a few extra $$$ that way as well.

*

*

Also, rig up a webcam to the vending machines so that, for an additional fee, you can record a two minute (or whatever) video message to Prince while purchasing your CD or other paraphenalia. He'd never watch all the vids (unless he was bored and wnted to check for hot women razz ) of course, but the idea of 'speaking directly to Prince' would appeal to those hoping to get Prince's attention and generate a few extra $$$ from fans' hopes. He could post the vids to some site and increase traffic and attention to himself b/c people would want to see if he posted their video and/or to see the other weirdos vying for his attention, or telling him off or declaring their love or crying about their broken sand dollars, which I think could be amusing. Or possibly cool, depending on how level-headed and sincere the fan in the video is and what they had to say.

*

*

Set up a 1-800 number and for an insanely extreme dollar amount, the caller can request a live over-the-phone performance of the song of their choosing (this would work well at the moment since he's wanting to do the 'Prince alone with a microphone' concept and he wouldn't have to pay, or have a backing band involved). This may work with a Skype-like program with video too, and he could charge EVEN MORE MONEY then, which would of course go directly to him.

*

*

The problem with these great ideas wink and basically every other idea is that there will be inherent costs to set them up, to run them, etc....there just is really no way to set up a distribution model of any type or format that won't bite into the end profits in some way, and to some degree. And Prince seems to be against that in principle!

*

*

(this post not meant to be taken totally seriously. or maybe it is..? nah lol )



exactly! smile

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Reply #172 posted 01/08/16 2:10pm

RobotDevil

terrig said:

RobotDevil said:

Put the CD in vending machines and people can buy it that way! Include t-shirts, gum, condoms and any other extra leftover Paisley junk he wants to get rid of and make a few extra $$$ that way as well.

*

*

Also, rig up a webcam to the vending machines so that, for an additional fee, you can record a two minute (or whatever) video message to Prince while purchasing your CD or other paraphenalia. He'd never watch all the vids (unless he was bored and wnted to check for hot women razz ) of course, but the idea of 'speaking directly to Prince' would appeal to those hoping to get Prince's attention and generate a few extra $$$ from fans' hopes. He could post the vids to some site and increase traffic and attention to himself b/c people would want to see if he posted their video and/or to see the other weirdos vying for his attention, or telling him off or declaring their love or crying about their broken sand dollars, which I think could be amusing. Or possibly cool, depending on how level-headed and sincere the fan in the video is and what they had to say.

*

*

Set up a 1-800 number and for an insanely extreme dollar amount, the caller can request a live over-the-phone performance of the song of their choosing (this would work well at the moment since he's wanting to do the 'Prince alone with a microphone' concept and he wouldn't have to pay, or have a backing band involved). This may work with a Skype-like program with video too, and he could charge EVEN MORE MONEY then, which would of course go directly to him.

*

*

The problem with these great ideas wink and basically every other idea is that there will be inherent costs to set them up, to run them, etc....there just is really no way to set up a distribution model of any type or format that won't bite into the end profits in some way, and to some degree. And Prince seems to be against that in principle!

*

*

(this post not meant to be taken totally seriously. or maybe it is..? nah lol )



exactly! smile

I'm not sure what you mean, but I'm guessing I do. So THANKS! smile

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Reply #173 posted 01/08/16 3:45pm

redflag

RobotDevil said:

The problem with these great ideas wink and basically every other idea is that there will be inherent costs to set them up, to run them, etc....there just is really no way to set up a distribution model of any type or format that won't bite into the end profits in some way, and to some degree. And Prince seems to be against that in principle!

Even in a joking post this is the most salient point in this entire thread.

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Reply #174 posted 01/08/16 10:37pm

FunkyStrange

AnonymousFan said:

Maybe, he doesn't want to pay Amazon.

He doesn't want to pay anyone. That's his MAIN problem.

He doesn't want a middleman taking a cut, but unless he presses the CD's/vinyl himself and hand delivers them there is always going to be one.

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Reply #175 posted 01/09/16 7:37am

AnonymousFan

FunkyStrange said:



AnonymousFan said:


Maybe, he doesn't want to pay Amazon.




He doesn't want to pay anyone. That's his MAIN problem.



He doesn't want a middleman taking a cut, but unless he presses the CD's/vinyl himself and hand delivers them there is always going to be one.


So I was right; if I create a business plan for a platform that allows him to put his CDs in the market without paying and allows the money paid for it to go directly to him, he might listen. That is of course if he's willing (which he might not be) to fund the setup of such a thing.
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Reply #176 posted 01/10/16 6:28am

Noodled24

funksterr said:

Excuses................ He clearly said he didn't like the offers he was getting because P1 didn't sell, so now he wantd to bypass traditional distribution and encourage fans to set up a website and sell the cd's to each other. 'Why can't you guys, figure it out?' etc. Nice try with the 'Brainstorming on Twitter' angle, though. smile

Phase one was never designed to "sell" it was a free album available via tidal.

Fans bitched, they got the CD they wanted... nobody bought it because everyone who cared had already signed up to tidal.

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Reply #177 posted 01/10/16 7:06am

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Physical sales are lower due to streaming and downloads.

CDs are an artifact of the past anyway. All these purple dinosaurs on Twitter demanding a physical release are part of the problem. Digital formats don't have the same production or storage costs and are more economically viable.
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Reply #178 posted 01/10/16 7:28am

funksterr

Noodled24 said:

funksterr said:

Excuses................ He clearly said he didn't like the offers he was getting because P1 didn't sell, so now he wantd to bypass traditional distribution and encourage fans to set up a website and sell the cd's to each other. 'Why can't you guys, figure it out?' etc. Nice try with the 'Brainstorming on Twitter' angle, though. smile

Phase one was never designed to "sell" it was a free album available via tidal.

Fans bitched, they got the CD they wanted... nobody bought it because everyone who cared had already signed up to tidal.

Prince said P1's low sales were negaitively affecting P2's distribution. 'P1 only sold 100 copies'. Maybe he was wrong? Idk.

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Reply #179 posted 01/10/16 7:49am

Noodled24

funksterr said:

Noodled24 said:

Phase one was never designed to "sell" it was a free album available via tidal.

Fans bitched, they got the CD they wanted... nobody bought it because everyone who cared had already signed up to tidal.

Prince said P1's low sales were negaitively affecting P2's distribution. 'P1 only sold 100 copies'. Maybe he was wrong? Idk.

Do you have a the quote where Prince said it only sold 100 copies? or are you just talking bullshit as usual?

Of course Phase 1 had a knock on effect to phase 2... Phase 1 was a Tidal exclusive, the only way to get it was to sign up to tidal. Fans bitched about it, Prince had to renegotiate with tidal thus removing the "exclusive" element of Phase 1.

A batch of CDs had to be manufactured and distributed globally in the space of a couple of weeks - for an album that hadn't been widely promoted because it was supposed to be a Tidal exclusive. Who do you think paid for that?

Why would he then repeat that process for Phase 2?

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