terrig said:

terrig said:

I dont know how you get manipulation out of any of it. He's having real conversations about the things he's interested in which is making music playing music and the business of music.

He's funny and he's encouraging people to contribute their thoughts - there's not much to be negative about regarding that .....

[Edited 1/7/16 16:49pm]

You are right. The better word is exploitation 'figure out how to set up a profitable business and distribute my cd's for me because WB is mean to your fave'. See, to some fans, that have business ambitions with Prince this might seem exciting, but it looks to me like he is using the fans as leverage to get a better deal for P2 and in the end they are going to get burned.

databank said:

I see where u're coming from. Evidently someone with nearly 40 years of career in the public eye has heard so much about themself that they're hard-skinned and they've also learned to toy with controversy. I remember when I was sort of a small local celebrity in my early 20's, I was too young and I got really devastated by the lies and gossip some people were saying about me, but I also publicized those polemics and accusations a lot because I understood that you can use them in your own favor by playing the "good victim" and giving the image of being a controversial artist.

However I'm not so sure everyone in P's camp is so thick-skinned because they may lack the experience, have "enjoyed" much less exposure or be more sensitive. TC Ellis clearly said in his last interview that he'd been hurt by some of the comments he'd read about himself on fan boards before he learned to find pride in his post musical career accomplishment and stop caring about it.

Regardless of people's resistance anyway, I just believe in good manners and constructive criticism. Prince has always expressed himself in a very cryptic manner and lots of the things he says can indeed be irritating because you're like "WTF?", but I believe there's a certain way of expressing one's disagreement that doesn't involve all the name calling and violent reprobation that I've often read here.

And when it comes to former or current associates I'm pretty certain that some decided that they would never post here because the next thing they know people would jump at them. Or they just don't feel the atmosphere friendly enough to feel they'd want to interact with this community. It's a pity because every time an associate was willing to do a Q&A, we learned a lot of interesting things.

I undesrstand where you are coming from, but if we limit our conversations only to the things the PaisleyPolice find acceptable then are we even having entertaining and worthwhile dialog anymore? What you may find bomabastic frankness rude, others may find humerous and appreciate the honesty. PrinceWorld needs it's boat rocked until they deliver the 80's outtakes unfukked with.

how about a Hit n Run phase 2 PEZ dispenser...comes with a CD

luvsexy4all said:

how about a Hit n Run phase 2 PEZ dispenser...comes with a CD

At this rate it would be easier for Prince to get distribution for a PEZ dispenser rather than a CD.

funksterr said:

terrig said:

I dont know how you get manipulation out of any of it. He's having real conversations about the things he's interested in which is making music playing music and the business of music.

He's funny and he's encouraging people to contribute their thoughts - there's not much to be negative about regarding that .....

[Edited 1/7/16 16:49pm]

You are right. The better word is exploitation 'figure out how to set up a profitable business and distribute my cd's for me because WB is mean to your fave'. See, to some fans, that have business ambitions with Prince this might seem exciting, but it looks to me like he is using the fans as leverage to get a better deal for P2 and in the end they are going to get burned.

thats downright funny. for a few reasons

- prince brainstorming on twitter is a long way from something actually happening
- and as far as leverage goes: WB will laugh their asses off. its not a real serious business idea.

i think Prince is just encouraging the output of ideas. i asked about his wholesale/retail price twice and it was crickets. u know why? he;s not serious lololol and why would that be a serious idea? just because he's engaging in a dialogue doesn't mean anything at all....least of all exploitation.

can someone post a pic of those hnr pics on a pez dispenser.....

terrig said:

funksterr said:

You are right. The better word is exploitation 'figure out how to set up a profitable business and distribute my cd's for me because WB is mean to your fave'. See, to some fans, that have business ambitions with Prince this might seem exciting, but it looks to me like he is using the fans as leverage to get a better deal for P2 and in the end they are going to get burned.

thats downright funny. for a few reasons

- prince brainstorming on twitter is a long way from something actually happening
- and as far as leverage goes: WB will laugh their asses off. its not a real serious business idea.

i think Prince is just encouraging the output of ideas. i asked about his wholesale/retail price twice and it was crickets. u know why? he;s not serious lololol and why would that be a serious idea? just because he's engaging in a dialogue doesn't mean anything at all....least of all exploitation.

Lol, so what is he doing?

Why isn't Amazon good enough? Isn't warehousing and shipping kind of what they do well? Set up as a seller, send the CDs to Amazon and let them take care of the rest. I slightly resent buying 1 CD from one place and 1 more from a different place, because P&P to Australia usaully doubles the price. With an established online store I buy up to 6 CDs at once to spread the shipping cost. When I bought 'Superconductor' it was 'sold by [whoever]' but 'fulfilled by Amazon'.

nonamesleft said:

Why isn't Amazon good enough? Isn't warehousing and shipping kind of what they do well? Set up as a seller, send the CDs to Amazon and let them take care of the rest. I slightly resent buying 1 CD from one place and 1 more from a different place, because P&P to Australia usaully doubles the price. With an established online store I buy up to 6 CDs at once to spread the shipping cost. When I bought 'Superconductor' it was 'sold by [whoever]' but 'fulfilled by Amazon'.

Maybe, he doesn't want to pay Amazon.

AnonymousFan said:

nonamesleft said:

Why isn't Amazon good enough? Isn't warehousing and shipping kind of what they do well? Set up as a seller, send the CDs to Amazon and let them take care of the rest. I slightly resent buying 1 CD from one place and 1 more from a different place, because P&P to Australia usaully doubles the price. With an established online store I buy up to 6 CDs at once to spread the shipping cost. When I bought 'Superconductor' it was 'sold by [whoever]' but 'fulfilled by Amazon'.

Maybe, he doesn't want to pay Amazon.

You always have to pay someone, darling.

Stop The Apologists TM.

terrig said:

Plus, I think we know he's not paying someone to tweet at 4 am lololol

Some people could surely believe he's having someone tweet at 4am and not paying them...

Stop The Apologists TM.

Pentacle said:

terrig said:

funksterr said:

You are right. The better word is exploitation 'figure out how to set up a profitable business and distribute my cd's for me because WB is mean to your fave'. See, to some fans, that have business ambitions with Prince this might seem exciting, but it looks to me like he is using the fans as leverage to get a better deal for P2 and in the end they are going to get burned.

thats downright funny. for a few reasons

- prince brainstorming on twitter is a long way from something actually happening
- and as far as leverage goes: WB will laugh their asses off. its not a real serious business idea.

i think Prince is just encouraging the output of ideas. i asked about his wholesale/retail price twice and it was crickets. u know why? he;s not serious lololol and why would that be a serious idea? just because he's engaging in a dialogue doesn't mean anything at all....least of all exploitation.

Excuses................ He clearly said he didn't like the offers he was getting because P1 didn't sell, so now he wantd to bypass traditional distribution and encourage fans to set up a website and sell the cd's to each other. 'Why can't you guys, figure it out?' etc. Nice try with the 'Brainstorming on Twitter' angle, though.

funksterr said:

terrig said:

thats downright funny. for a few reasons

- prince brainstorming on twitter is a long way from something actually happening
- and as far as leverage goes: WB will laugh their asses off. its not a real serious business idea.

i think Prince is just encouraging the output of ideas. i asked about his wholesale/retail price twice and it was crickets. u know why? he;s not serious lololol and why would that be a serious idea? just because he's engaging in a dialogue doesn't mean anything at all....least of all exploitation.

Excuses................ He clearly said he didn't like the offers he was getting because P1 didn't sell, so now he wantd to bypass traditional distribution and encourage fans to set up a website and sell the cd's to each other. 'Why can't you guys, figure it out?' etc. Nice try with the 'Brainstorming on Twitter' angle, though.

Exactly, and when a fan asked him why can't you distribute P1 he responded because of numbers.

Clearly WB and TIDAL passed up on a physical release due to the horendous sales of P1. I believe P1 didn't even pass the 10,000 mark in the U.S.

Pentacle said:

AnonymousFan said:

Maybe, he doesn't want to pay Amazon.

You always have to pay someone, darling.

Stop The Apologists TM.

lol i can see the tweets now "prince, why don't you use amazon?" U PAY THEM AND WE WILL!

PRINCE really blew it in 2014. I guess it was the same old news, 2 albums, did the minimal to promote, only the SNL performance which had no effects on sales after... No wonder why WB won't distribute PHASE 1 and PHASE 2.

IstenSzek said:

Put the CD in vending machines and people can buy it that way! Include t-shirts, gum, condoms and any other extra leftover Paisley junk he wants to get rid of and make a few extra $$$ that way as well.

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Also, rig up a webcam to the vending machines so that, for an additional fee, you can record a two minute (or whatever) video message to Prince while purchasing your CD or other paraphenalia. He'd never watch all the vids (unless he was bored and wnted to check for hot women ) of course, but the idea of 'speaking directly to Prince' would appeal to those hoping to get Prince's attention and generate a few extra $$$ from fans' hopes. He could post the vids to some site and increase traffic and attention to himself b/c people would want to see if he posted their video and/or to see the other weirdos vying for his attention, or telling him off or declaring their love or crying about their broken sand dollars, which I think could be amusing. Or possibly cool, depending on how level-headed and sincere the fan in the video is and what they had to say.

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Set up a 1-800 number and for an insanely extreme dollar amount, the caller can request a live over-the-phone performance of the song of their choosing (this would work well at the moment since he's wanting to do the 'Prince alone with a microphone' concept and he wouldn't have to pay, or have a backing band involved). This may work with a Skype-like program with video too, and he could charge EVEN MORE MONEY then, which would of course go directly to him.

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The problem with these great ideas and basically every other idea is that there will be inherent costs to set them up, to run them, etc....there just is really no way to set up a distribution model of any type or format that won't bite into the end profits in some way, and to some degree. And Prince seems to be against that in principle!

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(this post not meant to be taken totally seriously. or maybe it is..? nah )

RobotDevil said:

funksterr said:

terrig said:

thats downright funny. for a few reasons

- prince brainstorming on twitter is a long way from something actually happening
- and as far as leverage goes: WB will laugh their asses off. its not a real serious business idea.

i think Prince is just encouraging the output of ideas. i asked about his wholesale/retail price twice and it was crickets. u know why? he;s not serious lololol and why would that be a serious idea? just because he's engaging in a dialogue doesn't mean anything at all....least of all exploitation.

Excuses................ He clearly said he didn't like the offers he was getting because P1 didn't sell, so now he wantd to bypass traditional distribution and encourage fans to set up a website and sell the cd's to each other. 'Why can't you guys, figure it out?' etc. Nice try with the 'Brainstorming on Twitter' angle, though.

How do u even get to 'excuses' - all Prince is doing is chatting with people, - it is nowhere near exploitation or manipulation....thats my point. My point is SO WHAT? How does that become nefarious?

RobotDevil said:

Put the CD in vending machines and people can buy it that way! Include t-shirts, gum, condoms and any other extra leftover Paisley junk he wants to get rid of and make a few extra $$$ that way as well.

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*

Also, rig up a webcam to the vending machines so that, for an additional fee, you can record a two minute (or whatever) video message to Prince while purchasing your CD or other paraphenalia. He'd never watch all the vids (unless he was bored and wnted to check for hot women ) of course, but the idea of 'speaking directly to Prince' would appeal to those hoping to get Prince's attention and generate a few extra $$$ from fans' hopes. He could post the vids to some site and increase traffic and attention to himself b/c people would want to see if he posted their video and/or to see the other weirdos vying for his attention, or telling him off or declaring their love or crying about their broken sand dollars, which I think could be amusing. Or possibly cool, depending on how level-headed and sincere the fan in the video is and what they had to say.

*

*

Set up a 1-800 number and for an insanely extreme dollar amount, the caller can request a live over-the-phone performance of the song of their choosing (this would work well at the moment since he's wanting to do the 'Prince alone with a microphone' concept and he wouldn't have to pay, or have a backing band involved). This may work with a Skype-like program with video too, and he could charge EVEN MORE MONEY then, which would of course go directly to him.

*

*

The problem with these great ideas and basically every other idea is that there will be inherent costs to set them up, to run them, etc....there just is really no way to set up a distribution model of any type or format that won't bite into the end profits in some way, and to some degree. And Prince seems to be against that in principle!

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(this post not meant to be taken totally seriously. or maybe it is..? nah )

exactly!

terrig said:

RobotDevil said:

Put the CD in vending machines and people can buy it that way! Include t-shirts, gum, condoms and any other extra leftover Paisley junk he wants to get rid of and make a few extra $$$ that way as well.

*

*

Also, rig up a webcam to the vending machines so that, for an additional fee, you can record a two minute (or whatever) video message to Prince while purchasing your CD or other paraphenalia. He'd never watch all the vids (unless he was bored and wnted to check for hot women ) of course, but the idea of 'speaking directly to Prince' would appeal to those hoping to get Prince's attention and generate a few extra $$$ from fans' hopes. He could post the vids to some site and increase traffic and attention to himself b/c people would want to see if he posted their video and/or to see the other weirdos vying for his attention, or telling him off or declaring their love or crying about their broken sand dollars, which I think could be amusing. Or possibly cool, depending on how level-headed and sincere the fan in the video is and what they had to say.

*

*

Set up a 1-800 number and for an insanely extreme dollar amount, the caller can request a live over-the-phone performance of the song of their choosing (this would work well at the moment since he's wanting to do the 'Prince alone with a microphone' concept and he wouldn't have to pay, or have a backing band involved). This may work with a Skype-like program with video too, and he could charge EVEN MORE MONEY then, which would of course go directly to him.

*

*

The problem with these great ideas and basically every other idea is that there will be inherent costs to set them up, to run them, etc....there just is really no way to set up a distribution model of any type or format that won't bite into the end profits in some way, and to some degree. And Prince seems to be against that in principle!

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(this post not meant to be taken totally seriously. or maybe it is..? nah )

exactly!

I'm not sure what you mean, but I'm guessing I do. So THANKS!

RobotDevil said:

The problem with these great ideas and basically every other idea is that there will be inherent costs to set them up, to run them, etc....there just is really no way to set up a distribution model of any type or format that won't bite into the end profits in some way, and to some degree. And Prince seems to be against that in principle!

Even in a joking post this is the most salient point in this entire thread.

AnonymousFan said:

Maybe, he doesn't want to pay Amazon.

He doesn't want to pay anyone. That's his MAIN problem.

He doesn't want a middleman taking a cut, but unless he presses the CD's/vinyl himself and hand delivers them there is always going to be one.

FunkyStrange said:

funksterr said:

Excuses................ He clearly said he didn't like the offers he was getting because P1 didn't sell, so now he wantd to bypass traditional distribution and encourage fans to set up a website and sell the cd's to each other. 'Why can't you guys, figure it out?' etc. Nice try with the 'Brainstorming on Twitter' angle, though.

Phase one was never designed to "sell" it was a free album available via tidal.

Fans bitched, they got the CD they wanted... nobody bought it because everyone who cared had already signed up to tidal.

Noodled24 said:

funksterr said:

Excuses................ He clearly said he didn't like the offers he was getting because P1 didn't sell, so now he wantd to bypass traditional distribution and encourage fans to set up a website and sell the cd's to each other. 'Why can't you guys, figure it out?' etc. Nice try with the 'Brainstorming on Twitter' angle, though.

Phase one was never designed to "sell" it was a free album available via tidal.

Fans bitched, they got the CD they wanted... nobody bought it because everyone who cared had already signed up to tidal.

Prince said P1's low sales were negaitively affecting P2's distribution. 'P1 only sold 100 copies'. Maybe he was wrong? Idk.

funksterr said:

Noodled24 said:

Phase one was never designed to "sell" it was a free album available via tidal.

Fans bitched, they got the CD they wanted... nobody bought it because everyone who cared had already signed up to tidal.

Prince said P1's low sales were negaitively affecting P2's distribution. 'P1 only sold 100 copies'. Maybe he was wrong? Idk.

Do you have a the quote where Prince said it only sold 100 copies? or are you just talking bullshit as usual?

Of course Phase 1 had a knock on effect to phase 2... Phase 1 was a Tidal exclusive, the only way to get it was to sign up to tidal. Fans bitched about it, Prince had to renegotiate with tidal thus removing the "exclusive" element of Phase 1.

A batch of CDs had to be manufactured and distributed globally in the space of a couple of weeks - for an album that hadn't been widely promoted because it was supposed to be a Tidal exclusive. Who do you think paid for that?

Why would he then repeat that process for Phase 2?