This is going to turn into a scalper-like situation.... The resell market on these will be enormous. Meanwhile, Prince dumb-ass will not recoup even the cost of manufacture... My favorite twitter comment is the guy offering to warehouse a garage full of cd's, lol... 'Yeah, Prince, I'll hold a few of them cd's for you'

funksterr said:

I know people in local bands that have no trouble managing to get CDs manufactured and distributed. The #s of units sold is not in his league of course, but, there are tons of small & boutique labels that could handle this.

I gotta say, too, if fewer of us are willing to purchase a CD, charge a bit more for them. I'd easily pay $20 for a CD even if the digital option was $10. I'll pay a premium to have a physical copy. Bet I'm not the only one...

It's funny when the fans always said it doesn''t have anything to do with sales...

I was shocked when PRINCE made a joke to a comment on why can't PHASE 1 be distributed like PHASE 2... He responded cuz of numbers... PHASE 1 sold 100.

feeluupp said:

tongueinthecrease said:

feeluupp said:

It's funny when the fans always said it doesn''t have anything to do with sales...

I was shocked when PRINCE made a joke to a comment on why can't PHASE 2 be distributed like PHASE 1... He responded cuz of numbers... PHASE 1 sold 100.

Fixed it for you. I honestly can't believe it sold 100 lmao. I'm hoping he was joking all around.

Joking or not... It shows to some extent in his humour that most likely PHASE 2 is having a hard time for physical distribution because of his very low sales from PHASE 1.

feeluupp said:

Prince should self-publish on Amazon.

It's cheap and reaches the worldwide market.

Only his ego would get in the way.

Prince is playing games, imo. He doesn't want any middleman, yet he is suggesting that he will give away a stockpile of Phase 2 cd's, so that 'the fans' will 'make money' off of it by selling it to other fans. He wants fans to be the middleman. The issues isn't about middlemen. It looks like he's burning bridges again.

Like, I'm giving my cc# to one of his crazy azz twitter followers, lol.

I think in the lastest dick-measuring contest with WB, Prince lost... again. And even Tidal don't want that shit, after their last NPG masterpiece didn't even sell a hundy ('cause y'all know Prince probably padded that 100 copies sold figure)! BWAHAHAHA!!!!!!

ANd oh the FAMS... gassing Prince up like they will actually part with cash over music they don't even really like. He need to go Chris Brown on 'em: 'Buy my shit'.

funksterr said:

Prince is playing games, imo. He doesn't want any middleman, yet he is suggesting that he will give away a stockpile of Phase 2 cd's, so that 'the fans' will 'make money' off of it by selling it to other fans. He wants fans to be the middleman. The issues isn't about middlemen. It looks like he's burning bridges again.

Like, I'm giving my cc# to one of his crazy azz twitter followers, lol.

I think in the lastest dick-measuring contest with WB, Prince lost... again. And even Tidal don't want that shit, after their last NPG masterpiece didn't even sell a hundy ('cause y'all know Prince probably padded that 100 copies sold figure)! BWAHAHAHA!!!!!!

It's obvious now. All the speculation I wrote about, how WB doesn't want to distribute PHASE 2, and surprisingly TIDAL/ROC NATION doesn't want any part...

Lets see with Plectrum Electrum total U.S. sales according to Billboard was 33,000... Phase 1 if I'm not mistaken debuted at #70 and sold under 6,000 in it's first week and was off the TOP 200 in it's second week?

It's an obvious issue that he is selling not enough for the distributors to make any type of reasonable profit, when Prince always demands an unreasonable upfront figure.

[Edited 1/5/16 18:34pm]

sell em at the supermarket...stop the nonsense

i nominate vending machines

why not just do a demand and produce....

.....Prince finds himself in this situation once again. Signed to an major label..but is having "trouble" getting his albums released by traditional methods. It's amazing it haven't dawned on him it's 100% his doing. Shame, he was given an 2nd chance by Warner Bros (not to mention dozens of chances by numerous other record labels) ..but he always seem to sour agreements, and relationships with major record labels. pathetic.

Scarfo said:

.....Prince finds himself in this situation once again. Signed to an major label..but is having "trouble" getting his albums released by traditional methods. It's amazing it haven't dawned on him it's 100% his doing. Shame, he was given an 2nd chance by Warner Bros (not to mention dozens of chances by numerous other record labels) ..but he always seem to sour agreements, and relationships with major record labels. pathetic.

sadly true

Scarfo said:

.....Prince finds himself in this situation once again. Signed to an major label..but is having "trouble" getting his albums released by traditional methods. It's amazing it haven't dawned on him it's 100% his doing. Shame, he was given an 2nd chance by Warner Bros (not to mention dozens of chances by numerous other record labels) ..but he always seem to sour agreements, and relationships with major record labels. pathetic.

Are you sure these projects are even affiliated with Warner Bros? I don't remember there label on the last release

Thizz said:

Scarfo said:

.....Prince finds himself in this situation once again. Signed to an major label..but is having "trouble" getting his albums released by traditional methods. It's amazing it haven't dawned on him it's 100% his doing. Shame, he was given an 2nd chance by Warner Bros (not to mention dozens of chances by numerous other record labels) ..but he always seem to sour agreements, and relationships with major record labels. pathetic.

Are you sure these projects are even affiliated with Warner Bros? I don't remember there label on the last release

thats because they obviously passed in distributing them. prince tweeted last week that phase 2 was given to wb but they were holding on to it, as well with the purple rain remaster.

It's obvious that Prince is never gonna be happy with any major record label,so he needs to just stop working with them altogether...become a REAL "independent artist" and find a way to distribute his music without running back to a major label.It's getting kinda boring seeing him sign these deals,then go to war with a few months later.

feeluupp said:

Aerogram said:

Excellent, the dire rumours are created all the time. I remember the ONA tour and how that was a sign it would all be over soon, then 2004 came along. Also the rumour he couldn't get a deal with a major anymore was alive for years, then poof -- the unthinkable, a deal with WB.

I see Prince and WB resolving their differences sooner than later simply because WB won't want to be known as the label that is fighting this guy who gets more legendary every year, and Prince perhaps putting some water in his wine. It's the last major non-remastered catalog. But that's just my opinion.

no rumours anymore... when prince is going on twitter asked for opinions on ways to distribute phase 2... there's something wrong... he can't get a major label to distribute phase 2.

From the tweets I've seen, and unless I've missed some, you are jumping to conclusions.

P's twitter interventions r the last in a long series of questioning the market, record companies and distribution means, similar topics have been addressed since his old websites in the late 90's.

All we know from his cryptic blah blah is that it seems WB declined an option to release Phase Two. Prince doesn't need a major label to distribute Phase Two, any indie label or distributor could do the job. So it's just him doing his usual complaining/lecturing one man show.

dysFUNKshhhnL said:

I second the Amazon idea. If he has cd's pressed, they handle fulfillment and collect money. Small cost, large profit, no middle men. You can have your own independent website or just list the product on amazon marketplace.

No!

The whole point is to release a CD, not a CDR. I can buy the FLAC files, burn a disc and print a cover myself. That's not what I want. I want a CD.

Just manufacture a low print run and sell them at a premium price to those of us who insist on a physical product until the run is sold out. And sure, use Amazon. Great idea. Just stay away from this manufacture on demand route.

Rant over...

databank said:

feeluupp said:

no rumours anymore... when prince is going on twitter asked for opinions on ways to distribute phase 2... there's something wrong... he can't get a major label to distribute phase 2.

From the tweets I've seen, and unless I've missed some, you are jumping to conclusions.

P's twitter interventions r the last in a long series of questioning the market, record companies and distribution means, similar topics have been addressed since his old websites in the late 90's.

All we know from his cryptic blah blah is that it seems WB declined an option to release Phase Two. Prince doesn't need a major label to distribute Phase Two, any indie label or distributor could do the job. So it's just him doing his usual complaining/lecturing one man show.

uve missed many. i read every tweet he made in the last few hours, and they have almost been all deleted now.

I think there are a number of issues with distributing music in the modern age, the most difficult challenge simply being filesharing.

Within One hour of both Phase 1&2 being released it was being shared around the web at numerous places for free. A lot of people have stated that they wanted to see if they liked the album before purchase but then stated if they didnt like it they would not make a purchase. Imagine this at a cinema, if you don't like the film simply requesting a refund. If you don't like a film or an album then obviously you have the choice not to make further purchases.

Aside form a slightly (generally) generation who prefer CD's a large number of people I have talked to say they would almost never pay for music, they consider it to be free as they have grown up now with it mostly being free. Music is not alone as in industry where this has happened.

If Prince set up a new site with downloads available, once the first download is made the file would be shared freely across the web. The answer is just very difficult. Only live experiences seem to be something that can't be replicated an shared for free (well, the exact experience anyway).

Prince is clearly trying different solutions, some may work, some may not. Technology will force constant tweaks to the system.

Welp... that was an embarassing mess. Maybe Prince was drunk-tweeting, idk? 'Real fans get invovled with distribution'. Nikka.... like really? You ain't pimping me... Maybe that's the gameplan. Damage his reputation to OJ/Cosby-levels so that his rights are so worthless Warner sells them back to him for pennies. Yeah that sounds like something Prince would do. Lose to "win". 20 years and counting.

[Edited 1/6/16 2:25am]

djThunderfunk said:

feeluupp said:

databank said:

From the tweets I've seen, and unless I've missed some, you are jumping to conclusions.

P's twitter interventions r the last in a long series of questioning the market, record companies and distribution means, similar topics have been addressed since his old websites in the late 90's.

All we know from his cryptic blah blah is that it seems WB declined an option to release Phase Two. Prince doesn't need a major label to distribute Phase Two, any indie label or distributor could do the job. So it's just him doing his usual complaining/lecturing one man show.

uve missed many. i read every tweet he made in the last few hours, and they have almost been all deleted now.

Fair enough, then if P's whining about the majors not wanting Phase Two, he is being melodramatic. He don't need them to release a CD and he spent 20 years shitting on them so what's his bloody problem

databank said:

dysFUNKshhhnL said:

djThunderfunk said:

No!

The whole point is to release a CD, not a CDR. I can buy the FLAC files, burn a disc and print a cover myself. That's not what I want. I want a CD.

Just manufacture a low print run and sell them at a premium price to those of us who insist on a physical product until the run is sold out. And sure, use Amazon. Great idea. Just stay away from this manufacture on demand route.

Rant over...

I agree. I wasn't referring to manufacture on demand. The selling company supplies the final goods to Amazon. Amazon handles fulfillment (orders, shipping, customer service, money.) He could sell CD's and vinyl there, as long as he has a manufacturer.

Cool. Seems like we are on the same page then! (sorry for the rant)

[Edited 1/6/16 6:18am]