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Reply #90 posted 01/06/16 6:32am

Rebeljuice

Prince knows he can't rely on taking a percentage of sales anymore. His only route is to take an up-front fee and run for it. He would rather let some other numpty (read label) take the hit on low sales... Unfortunately, there aint many numpties left to fall for that one anymore.

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Reply #91 posted 01/06/16 7:13am

feeluupp

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For those of you who followed his twitter rants for the past 2 hours last night... It was very embrassing. All of them have been deleted since now.

But you can see he is having trouble finding distribution for PHASE 2.

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Reply #92 posted 01/06/16 7:30am

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I was wondering about this back in 2011, after '20ten'. Excellent discussion with some old school orgers:

http://prince.org/msg/7/352683

"He's a musician's musician..."
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Reply #93 posted 01/06/16 8:04am

databank

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Prince has an unhealthy relationship with the majors. He bitches about them constantly but he keeps going back to them for deals that he expects to be profitable to both parties but are usually doomed from the beginning. I think it went well with Newpower Soul, Musicology and 3121, but every other attempt has ended in drama or disappointment IIRC. + my point is that if majors are "slave owners" as P used to say dramatically, once a former slave is free he doesn't make business with people who own slaves, there's a moral inconsistency here.

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On the other hand I don't remember Prince complaining about the small labels that released TRC , NEWS, certain stand-alone singles, or Kobalt who offers a different business model than traditional labels, neither have I heard those complain about him. The expectations were reasonable on both sides and everybody was happy.

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We know by experience that Prince isn't always, well... good at dealing directly with customers (CB, NPGMC, Lotusflow3r.com) so maybe being self-distributed isn't the best model for him.

Maybe he can just

1. Open a no-subscription online shop and hire professionals to make sure we receive the things we order before the stores do, that they're not VHS TV recordings like The Beautiful Experience tape in 2001 and so on. I'm pretty sure that it's not so difficult to hire reliable staff and to just deliver the music for them to handle. And if physical releases and mailing the stuff is really so hard to deal with, then he can just have an online download store with everything in Flac and there should be no drama: we get what we buy, he gets our money, everyone's happy.

2. Work only with indie labels or alternative "you produce and we just print, distribute and promote" labels such as Kobalt or LiveNation, who are used to that business model, for a "big" album project every once in a while.

3. Keep working with Tidal as long as they get along.

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But it's pretty obvious to me that Prince shouldn't even try to go anywhere near WB, Sony or Universal anymore (who I still think are still very much willing to work with him in general, though probably under certain conditions, but are probably very careful with him), and that he should give-up on asking for advances: just pay for producing your music, own it, get whatever money you make from real sales, with the distributor (if any) taking a reasonable percentage on the sales. It's fair and square.

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This whole drama with the majors has to end, or be limited to a very few exceptional releases if at some point P feels he has an album he really wants to push (and if he really pushes it indeed). It's been the same circus for 20 years, it's time to move on. And very honestly I think a great winner in this would be... US fans. Because then the music would be released without so many complications.

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Of course I'm not in Prince's shoes and maybe he could oppose me very solid arguments explaining why he still wants to work with majors, but I really don't see what's in it for him anymore.

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Reply #94 posted 01/06/16 8:09am

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databank said:

Prince has an unhealthy relationship with the majors. He bitches about them constantly but he keeps going back to them for deals that he expects to be profitable to both parties but are usually doomed from the beginning. I think it went well with Newpower Soul, Musicology and 3121, but every other attempt has ended in drama or disappointment IIRC. + my point is that if majors are "slave owners" as P used to say dramatically, once a former slave is free he doesn't make business with people who own slaves, there's a moral inconsistency here.

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On the other hand I don't remember Prince complaining about the small labels that released TRC , NEWS, certain stand-alone singles, or Kobalt who offers a different business model than traditional labels, neither have I heard those complain about him. The expectations were reasonable on both sides and everybody was happy.

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We know by experience that Prince isn't always, well... good at dealing directly with customers (CB, NPGMC, Lotusflow3r.com) so maybe being self-distributed isn't the best model for him.

Maybe he can just

1. Open a no-subscription online shop and hire professionals to make sure we receive the things we order before the stores do, that they're not VHS TV recordings like The Beautiful Experience tape in 2001 and so on. I'm pretty sure that it's not so difficult to hire reliable staff and to just deliver the music for them to handle. And if physical releases and mailing the stuff is really so hard to deal with, then he can just have an online download store with everything in Flac and there should be no drama: we get what we buy, he gets our money, everyone's happy.

2. Work only with indie labels or alternative "you produce and we just print, distribute and promote" labels such as Kobalt or LiveNation, who are used to that business model, for a "big" album project every once in a while.

3. Keep working with Tidal as long as they get along.

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But it's pretty obvious to me that Prince shouldn't even try to go anywhere near WB, Sony or Universal anymore (who I still think are still very much willing to work with him in general, though probably under certain conditions, but are probably very careful with him), and that he should give-up on asking for advances: just pay for producing your music, own it, get whatever money you make from real sales, with the distributor (if any) taking a reasonable percentage on the sales. It's fair and square.

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This whole drama with the majors has to end, or be limited to a very few exceptional releases if at some point P feels he has an album he really wants to push (and if he really pushes it indeed). It's been the same circus for 20 years, it's time to move on. And very honestly I think a great winner in this would be... US fans. Because then the music would be released without so many complications.

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Of course I'm not in Prince's shoes and maybe he could oppose me very solid arguments explaining why he still wants to work with majors, but I really don't see what's in it for him anymore.

great post! totally agree!!

it's sad almost 20 years after being "freed" from his conctract, he still shows a lot of animosity and bitterness to "labels" and the way he distributes and what his share should be... it will never change, no many how many different proposals or options there are to distribute music. Prince always thinks he deserves the whole pie.

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Reply #95 posted 01/06/16 8:16am

IstenSzek

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feeluupp said:

For those of you who followed his twitter rants for the past 2 hours last night... It was very embrassing. All of them have been deleted since now.

But you can see he is having trouble finding distribution for PHASE 2.

i caught most of it before i went to bed. it made me cringe so hard i got cramps in my face falloff

people shouting ideas and 'prince' being all like "no u!"

for example:

'hire people you trust and we'll all buy' HOW BOUT U HIRE THEM?

'an online site where you can order direct?' WILL U SET IT UP?

etc etc etc.

mister, we already paid for all these ventures, multiple times. we did the whole 'order 100,000
copies and we'll print it' and then you went and sold it at retail stores.

bought official videos from your own site, which turned out to be recordings from tv, with the
logo even at the top of the screen falloff

got lifetime memberships, two, three times. sites folded. files gone.

bought about 3 different 'copies' of a lot of your online stuff since files either disappeared or u
put them back up again in better quality or on an album later on.

invested 75 dollars in your last website, when everyone else just got the songs at target for a
fraction of the cost. website without decent content. no updates. gone.

bought everything you put up on 3rdeyetunes, which is then released again, on an album etc.
(not that big a deal, i guess you could call it exclusive early access, but still, bought twice or
three times in some cases).

instead of asking his fans how he can make the most money off the product he's peddling now,

AFTER he's already watched it go down in flames (without promoting it, again), perhaps he'd be

better off asking his fans what they actually want from him. which they've been telling him for

the better part of 2 decades now. but he won't play. he knows exactly what it is and dangles us

that carrot whenever he wants something from us, yet doesn't deliver.

one decent site where everything he's released is up to buy direct, as lossless downloads and

decent mp3 files, with the option of getting a hard copy for some of those projects, like say, a

decent remaster or vault series.

could have had one of the biggest and best selling artist owned online stores of all if he'd just

kept it to 1 site since the beginning, 1 site, about the music. whenever he did a high profile gig

like the superbowl, boom, look up prince online and be directed to that store. preview clips and
liner notes and pictures etc, all to make people go 'didn't know he did that? let's check it out'.

that would have given him more hits everytime he went out there and drummed up some more

interest. instead, he was nowhere to be found, or had a site so weird and without content that
no one bothered.

imagine everything he did since 2000 being in one place, with a transparant lay-out. each one

of those projects with their corresponding videos, singles, mixes, photo's and info. see it, click

it, buy it smile

and now he could have been slowly adding remastered albums and live shows to that, like say

bruce springsteen has been doing for a while now.

i can't think of any prince fan (especially way back in 2000) who wouldn't want something like

that and who would not buy the stuff he released (instead of illegally download it now or just
not care anymore either way).

might still not be too late. seeing all that stuff together on Tidal (well not all, but more than
has been available together in one place, ever) was kind of impressive. it made me think of
how great it could have been had he done this for himself from the start.



and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #96 posted 01/06/16 8:26am

Genesia

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feeluupp said:

For those of you who followed his twitter rants for the past 2 hours last night... It was very embrassing. All of them have been deleted since now.

But you can see he is having trouble finding distribution for PHASE 2.


I saw that mess. Embarrassing. disbelief

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Reply #97 posted 01/06/16 8:34am

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It's all starting to come together now...

-2010 4 year hiatus... Most likely he couldn't get his 3EG album distributed with KOBALT.

-2014 resigns with WB in order to get his masters back.

-2014 no promised PR reissue, claims everything was done and sent to WB, we should "pickett" for it's release."

-2014 releases AOA and PLECTRUM ELECTRUM. Plectrum commercially flops.

-2015 signs with TIDAL, releases HITnRUN PHASE 1, off the charts in the second week under 7,000 copies sold.

-2015 releases PHASE 2 on TIDAL, claims WB/TIDAL will not distribute PHASE 2 for a phsyical release due to "numbers"

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Reply #98 posted 01/06/16 9:29am

Scarfo

feeluupp said:

For those of you who followed his twitter rants for the past 2 hours last night... It was very embrassing. All of them have been deleted since now.

But you can see he is having trouble finding distribution for PHASE 2.

I don't follow Prince on twitter, but I would LOVE to know what trainwreck tweets did he tweet? smile

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Reply #99 posted 01/06/16 9:35am

databank

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IstenSzek said:

feeluupp said:

For those of you who followed his twitter rants for the past 2 hours last night... It was very embrassing. All of them have been deleted since now.

But you can see he is having trouble finding distribution for PHASE 2.

i caught most of it before i went to bed. it made me cringe so hard i got cramps in my face falloff

people shouting ideas and 'prince' being all like "no u!"

for example:

'hire people you trust and we'll all buy' HOW BOUT U HIRE THEM?

'an online site where you can order direct?' WILL U SET IT UP?

It's not my duty as a customer to set-up my baker's store and oven, nor to hire his employees. My part is to buy his products. His part is to make them and sell them. It's not that complicated. I want to BUY Prince's music (I download some stuff illegally but I actually bought EVERYTHING he's released on his own online stores/sites since the first day of NPGMC, and was a paying member member of EVERY paying website).

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I can't be that complicated to create a website, hire a few people, put music online in Flac or hi-def video, and put a safe credit card system in place. OK you need to pay the employees and the server, but if the online store was really full of music to purchase and regularly updated with new material, I think it should be profitable. Others have done it so there has to be a way, no? I'm not saying it's that easy and that I could do it overnight, but I would assume Prince's team has the capacity to organize this and that he has the financial capacity to invest in the project before it's online. And if he really won't do that again, there's Tidal, Bandcamp, iTunes and countless other services where the whole system is in place, so just give 'em the goods and cash in.

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Prince wanted to break the business model of the music industry 20 years ago. OK he didn't anticipate streaming sites and illegal filesharing and that's not what he wanted, but still the business model has been broken and new business models can and must be created. Why stick to the old system after 20 years of saying it's wrong? Free the music.

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Again I'll give Prince that it's easy for me to say from my living room, that I'm not in his shoes and aware of every aspect of the game. But still, what to do then? Continue to jump from newspapers to record store chains to paying websites to pay-per-download website to small labels to majors to Kobalt/LiveNation to Tidal to streaming sites to free streams on Youtube? Obviously it's not satisfying for either Prince nor his audience. So what? Retire and quit releasing those wonderful albums that, despite what the trolls say, dozens of thousands of people enjoy and whose lives are enlightened by P's music? That would be defeat and P's always been someone to face adversity, so no, I hope not. I know the music industry is facing a severe crisis, but there has to be a satisfactory way to do things.

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Reply #100 posted 01/06/16 9:44am

databank

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feeluupp said:

It's all starting to come together now...

-2010 4 year hiatus... Most likely he couldn't get his 3EG album distributed with KOBALT. Please STOP WITH THIS, it's not backed-up by any fact, Kobalt's roster comprises DOZENS of very little acts you've never heard of, who don't sell a tenth of what Prince sells (check their website), this theory doesn't make sense.

-2014 resigns with WB in order to get his masters back and drops Kobalt overnight in the process. I can't back it up either, I'll give you that, but looking at the chronology of events it's very likely to have happened that way.

-2014 no promised PR reissue, claims everything was done and sent to WB, we should "pickett" for it's release." God knows what happened but I'm sure Prince didn't deliver what was promised. He bitched about WB from day one after the deal, that says a lot about how he felt about them and the whole deal. However until someone from WB or P's camp speaks we'll never know for sure.

-2014 releases AOA and PLECTRUM ELECTRUM. Plectrum commercially flops by WB's standards maybe, a small label would have been happy with those sales figures, and probably even Kobalt.

-2015 signs with TIDAL, releases HITnRUN PHASE 1, off the charts in the second week under 7,000 copies sold.

-2015 releases PHASE 2 on TIDAL, claims WB/TIDAL will not distribute PHASE 2 for a phsyical release due to "numbers"

...

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Reply #101 posted 01/06/16 9:50am

Scarfo

I just done Prince and HUGE favor, and gave him some great free advise on his twitter. He would be an fool of the HIGHEST order not to take my wise words of wisdom, and run with it. My advise is more than he deserves, but he's just so damn pitiful these days, I felt sorry for him. What advise did I give him? check out my twitter "Waterfaster2012" to find out. I don't feel like typing it again.

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Reply #102 posted 01/06/16 9:55am

AnonymousFan

I need to help this man. I'm going to create a business plan for a small business that fixes everything for him and send to him (patent it first) and hope he doesn't ruin it.

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Reply #103 posted 01/06/16 10:23am

IstenSzek

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databank said:

IstenSzek said:

i caught most of it before i went to bed. it made me cringe so hard i got cramps in my face falloff

people shouting ideas and 'prince' being all like "no u!"

for example:

'hire people you trust and we'll all buy' HOW BOUT U HIRE THEM?

'an online site where you can order direct?' WILL U SET IT UP?

It's not my duty as a customer to set-up my baker's store and oven, nor to hire his employees. My part is to buy his products. His part is to make them and sell them. It's not that complicated. I want to BUY Prince's music (I download some stuff illegally but I actually bought EVERYTHING he's released on his own online stores/sites since the first day of NPGMC, and was a paying member member of EVERY paying website).

.

I can't be that complicated to create a website, hire a few people, put music online in Flac or hi-def video, and put a safe credit card system in place. OK you need to pay the employees and the server, but if the online store was really full of music to purchase and regularly updated with new material, I think it should be profitable. Others have done it so there has to be a way, no? I'm not saying it's that easy and that I could do it overnight, but I would assume Prince's team has the capacity to organize this and that he has the financial capacity to invest in the project before it's online. And if he really won't do that again, there's Tidal, Bandcamp, iTunes and countless other services where the whole system is in place, so just give 'em the goods and cash in.

.

Prince wanted to break the business model of the music industry 20 years ago. OK he didn't anticipate streaming sites and illegal filesharing and that's not what he wanted, but still the business model has been broken and new business models can and must be created. Why stick to the old system after 20 years of saying it's wrong? Free the music.

.

Again I'll give Prince that it's easy for me to say from my living room, that I'm not in his shoes and aware of every aspect of the game. But still, what to do then? Continue to jump from newspapers to record store chains to paying websites to pay-per-download website to small labels to majors to Kobalt/LiveNation to Tidal to streaming sites to free streams on Youtube? Obviously it's not satisfying for either Prince nor his audience. So what? Retire and quit releasing those wonderful albums that, despite what the trolls say, dozens of thousands of people enjoy and whose lives are enlightened by P's music? That would be defeat and P's always been someone to face adversity, so no, I hope not. I know the music industry is facing a severe crisis, but there has to be a satisfactory way to do things.


agreed. with everything. the whole lot cool

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Reply #104 posted 01/06/16 12:02pm

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Scarfo said:

feeluupp said:

For those of you who followed his twitter rants for the past 2 hours last night... It was very embrassing. All of them have been deleted since now.

But you can see he is having trouble finding distribution for PHASE 2.

I don't follow Prince on twitter, but I would LOVE to know what trainwreck tweets did he tweet? smile

asking his fans advice on how to distribute PHASE 2. How they should cell the cd's from the fans to the fans lol

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Reply #105 posted 01/06/16 12:24pm

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Beyond that conversation
What was really sad was me picturing him sitting at his computer all alone on paisley park just needing a friend/someone to talk to.
minor keys and drugs don't make a rollerskate jam
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Reply #106 posted 01/06/16 12:35pm

AnonymousFan

revolution75 said:

Beyond that conversation What was really sad was me picturing him sitting at his computer all alone on paisley park just needing a friend/someone to talk to.

Lol, you know he's surrounded by his lackees all the time. Probably wasn't even him typing.

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Reply #107 posted 01/06/16 1:24pm

XxAxX

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i missed the tweets, but even if it was embarassing, so what? it isn't like we all have never mis-spoken ourselves or gone off on some tangent. prince is a person like the rest of us, imperfect, but still trying. we all feck ep. no one should shame him for that.

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in addition the entire arts world has changed. book sales are not what they used to be, CD sales are not what they used to be. online sales of literary and musical works is a brave new world and it's tricky to navigate. files can be stolen and shared in the blink of an eye, traditional copyright law cannot protect against this kind of piracy.

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some kind of UBER style arrangement between artist and fan is not inconceivable. it almost even makes sense. but imo the resulting complete loss and voluntary surrender of control over published works makes this maybe not so great. maybe the UBER concept could be tweaked through a system of encrypted checks and balances to guarantee distribution is achieved accurately and honestly.

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i think a distribution model whereby prince retains total control of his work would suit him best. he can decide how generous he wants to be about sharing after setting up a vault-like website. maybe even called 'The Vault'.

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imo, ideally people would buy directly from prince's website, CD's files (saved on flashdrives? chips that are mailed to consumers? downloads?). i'll go on a shopping spree if prince ever decides to consolidate and offer for sales his: music, artwork, clothing designs, recipes, autobiography, photographs, poetry. i'd love to see his other creative work.

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i can imagine a world where we each have our own websites and artwork for sale, eliminating the need for the involvement of corporate giants. we could even use our own currency, but that's another fantasy.

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anyway, i'm glad prince is talking to people about his concerns on twitter even if the conversation seems awkward from our point of view. it's our fault if us fans feel prince has to be perfect one hundred percent of the time. no one is that. he should be permitted to just be .. a guy at times.

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my 2c

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Reply #108 posted 01/06/16 1:55pm

Pentacle

XxAxX said:

my 2c


Prince doesn't need more but less apologists.

I bet that even if one of us sends him a crack businessplan, he won't take the advice.

Stop the Prince Apologists ™
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Reply #109 posted 01/06/16 2:27pm

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I don't understand half of the tweets, twats, and twittering that goes on with Prince3eg, but, oh well... Let the birds keep chirping... Someone will figure it out. lol

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #110 posted 01/06/16 2:38pm

AnonymousFan

XxAxX said:

...imo, ideally people would buy directly from prince's website, CD's files (saved on flashdrives? chips that are mailed to consumers? downloads?). i'll go on a shopping spree if prince ever decides to consolidate and offer for sales his: music, artwork, clothing designs, recipes, autobiography, photographs, poetry. i'd love to see his other creative work...

Recipes?

What? Like a cookbook?

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Reply #111 posted 01/06/16 3:30pm

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AnonymousFan said:

XxAxX said:

...imo, ideally people would buy directly from prince's website, CD's files (saved on flashdrives? chips that are mailed to consumers? downloads?). i'll go on a shopping spree if prince ever decides to consolidate and offer for sales his: music, artwork, clothing designs, recipes, autobiography, photographs, poetry. i'd love to see his other creative work...

Recipes?

What? Like a cookbook?

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well, i admit i'm conjecturing. but i would guess he dabbles in a lot of different things. perfume, for example. remember gett wild? i liked it. i still have the box, bottle and a teensy bit of the scent..

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i'd love to see him take a year off to write a 3D concept book. he could make it ANYthing he wanted, poems, pictures, scratch 'n sniffs lol he could have weird textile pages (silk? flower petal?) and pop-ups pages (prince strumming his guitar?) and pages that play music when you turn them...his newest CD could even be included.

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crystal and gold pages with pop out jewelry (earrings? necklace?) for the fan who turns the page, inside the book could be a digital version of his book, a plug n play game? or just a flash of a video? an interactive offering that fans could experience on their computers at home. the sky ain't the limit for prince, the stars are.

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actually, because of prince's cult status i think his fans and detractors would buy any type of book he puts out and a book in 3D (multi faceted concepts bound together in a 'book style' box set thingy) would be really difficult to pirate.

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perhaps when he finishes his tour, instead of trying to follow the old format with music publishing houses, he could bust into a new venture with book publishers. i think every single publishing house on the planet would be really, really interested in publishing a book by prince. i'm pretty sure he could find a publisher.

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or he could write a screenplay, i bet by now he has a few new ideas, and is much much more seasoned than he was for cherry moon and purple rain. imo, he's got a ton of options, if he comes at the distribution issue sideways, instead of head-on. but then again, i don't really know him so... this is all speculation and imagination so, take it for what it's worth lol

[Edited 1/6/16 15:32pm]

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Reply #112 posted 01/06/16 3:31pm

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This is in response to a thread

(http://prince.org/msg/7/421125)

locked down elsewhere because it's supposed to be continued here:


My response: Animated movie? Why animated?

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Reply #113 posted 01/06/16 3:52pm

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Asking the fans isn't a fair question without establishing some parameters, such as:

What is the goal? Is it just getting the music out there, making $x, charting or something eles entirely?

If he just wants to get the music out there just keep selling files through Tidal, Amazon & iTunes, have 5,000-10,000 of each album printed as a numbered limited edition and sell them for twice the cost of the digital files through Amazon, Done.

If he needs to get $x per album up front... don't ask the fans. Whatever that # is, we don't have it. We'll buy the music on a case by case basis but we can't pull together and drop the kind of money he reportedly expects as an advance.

If he wants to chart, go back to WB and play ball. This is the only way.

The first answer combined with giving the fans what they want will maximize the profits available to him at this point.

In my not-so-humble opinion, of course... wink

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Reply #114 posted 01/06/16 3:54pm

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djThunderfunk said:

Asking the fans isn't a fair question without establishing some parameters, such as:

What is the goal? Is it just getting the music out there, making $x, charting or something eles entirely?

If he just wants to get the music out there just keep selling files through Tidal, Amazon & iTunes, have 5,000-10,000 of each album printed as a numbered limited edition and sell them for twice the cost of the digital files through Amazon, Done.

If he needs to get $x per album up front... don't ask the fans. Whatever that # is, we don't have it. We'll buy the music on a case by case basis but we can't pull together and drop the kind of money he reportedly expects as an advance.

If he wants to chart, go back to WB and play ball. This is the only way.

The first answer combined with giving the fans what they want will maximize the profits available to him at this point.

In my not-so-humble opinion, of course... wink


I completely agree with your not-so-humble opinion..
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Reply #115 posted 01/06/16 4:04pm

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Do u think it really has to do with the low sales that WB and TIDAL doesn't want to distribute PHASE 2?

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Reply #116 posted 01/06/16 4:25pm

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ufoclub said:

This is in response to a thread

(http://prince.org/msg/7/421125)

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My response: Animated movie? Why animated?


I saw that animated movie suggestion. I actually love that idea. Of course, I'm a huge fan of animation (when done right). Besides, Prince's persona is so over the top that a live action movie about him would probably be laughable.

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Reply #117 posted 01/06/16 5:24pm

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ufoclub said:

This is in response to a thread

(http://prince.org/msg/7/421125)

locked down elsewhere because it's supposed to be continued here:


My response: Animated movie? Why animated?

Because I don't think there's much of a story to be told by Prince in another live action movie like Purple Rain, Under the Cherry Moon, or Graffiti Bridge, plus an animated movie would be better at... deifying him for lack of a better word and reaching 90s kids (like myself) due to nostalgia and the largest amount of other people. Think Disney-Goofy Movie style animation (without dog people) with an iconic, charismatic character like Prince performing to classic songs (with live footage thrown in) in animation in a movie about his iconic 37 year career. I can see it now... it solidifies his place as a legend in pop culture in the present in the same way the MJ and Madonna are seen. Another live action Prince movie would flop, because most people don't know what Purple Rain is anymore, but everyone remembers those animated (non-digitized/non-claymation) Disney classics and if he could get Disney to do something like that and hype it up, then it'd be the perfect time to release re-masters and unrelease Vault material while pullling in record cash for himself.

[Edited 1/6/16 17:25pm]

[Edited 1/6/16 17:26pm]

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Reply #118 posted 01/06/16 5:32pm

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XxAxX said:

AnonymousFan said:

Recipes?

What? Like a cookbook?

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well, i admit i'm conjecturing. but i would guess he dabbles in a lot of different things. perfume, for example. remember gett wild? i liked it. i still have the box, bottle and a teensy bit of the scent..

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i'd love to see him take a year off to write a 3D concept book. he could make it ANYthing he wanted, poems, pictures, scratch 'n sniffs lol he could have weird textile pages (silk? flower petal?) and pop-ups pages (prince strumming his guitar?) and pages that play music when you turn them...his newest CD could even be included.

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crystal and gold pages with pop out jewelry (earrings? necklace?) for the fan who turns the page, inside the book could be a digital version of his book, a plug n play game? or just a flash of a video? an interactive offering that fans could experience on their computers at home. the sky ain't the limit for prince, the stars are.

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actually, because of prince's cult status i think his fans and detractors would buy any type of book he puts out and a book in 3D (multi faceted concepts bound together in a 'book style' box set thingy) would be really difficult to pirate.

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perhaps when he finishes his tour, instead of trying to follow the old format with music publishing houses, he could bust into a new venture with book publishers. i think every single publishing house on the planet would be really, really interested in publishing a book by prince. i'm pretty sure he could find a publisher.

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or he could write a screenplay, i bet by now he has a few new ideas, and is much much more seasoned than he was for cherry moon and purple rain. imo, he's got a ton of options, if he comes at the distribution issue sideways, instead of head-on. but then again, i don't really know him so... this is all speculation and imagination so, take it for what it's worth lol

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That would be really cool, actually!

PRINCE!!! DO THIS!!!

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Reply #119 posted 01/06/16 6:02pm

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I love Princes music, there is no doubt he is one of the worlds most innovative and defining artists of the last.....lets say 100 years. He is up there with some very big names in regards to having a long lasting and prominent impact on the music scene.

That said, I do also think that in many ways, Prince is his own worst enemy in regards to trying to help his career thrive. When any 2 entities enter into a business arrangement, there has to be a mutual benefit for it to work. In the case of a major label entering into a distribution deal with NPG Records, they need to be making a buck out of it. And to be quite frank, I don't see how they could be based on the sales totals of the last few albums Prince has released.

Sadly, Prince has at times made a habit of "flooding" the market with new material. Even as a committed Prince fan, I still have trouble keeping up with what he is doing. One minute he is releasing an album through a newpaper in the UK, the next hes resigned with WB Records, then the next is "exclusive" on Tidal (only to find a week later its being released on iTunes and physically through record stores). Then in the case of the single release of "Stare" it was initially released as an exclusive on Spotify. My point is, if a committed fan like me can't keep up, what hope does he have of reaching out to the wider music buying audience.

One of the biggest problems that Prince has is his lack of exposure online. He needs a Vevo account, he needs to upload all his old music videos and maybe some selected live performance videos up to Vevo and have them watchable on YouTube. Sure, he might not make any money out of it, but its all about marketing and exposure. The kids and teenagers coming up today who have a keen interest in music will discover Prince and his legacy and may possibly be inspired by it. As it stands, alot of people under 30 these days don't even know who Prince is. This is really sad. The same demographic know who Bowie is, they know who Elton John is, they know who The Beatles are, but the legacy of Prince has faded away and to many people he is merely that dude who had a couple of hits in the 80s.

Following on from this, when Prince does release a new album, its generally met with little in the way of promotion. Occasionally he will pop up on a talk show (e.g. Arsenio Hall) but there is no online campaign, no music videos on Vevo, just nothing...and before you have time to absorb one album, next thing you know, another has just dropped.

As much as it pains me to say this, but if Prince is having trouble getting a suitable deal to distribute Phase 2, he quite likely only has himself to blame. The guy is so fixated on "how much he's getting paid" that the other party in the deal almost ivevitably is going to end up stung in the deal. There are only so many times you can screw people over before your reputation gets around. There is a very likely a widespread belief in the music industry now that Prince is one of the greatest artists we have ever seen, but he is a poison chalice when it comes to entering into a business deal with. And an ever growing number of record labels will be keen to keep their distance any time Prince comes knocking on their door with a new album in hand.

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