purplethunder3121 said:

SeeNote said:

Uplifting, positive and on point through the funky conduit which continues to be Xperimental Prince in my opinion. Love how he still keeps us busy with deciphering his lyrical delivery as in "3rd apartment from the sun". (Thanks to those who shared this concept btw.) I myself dig the track. It's a breath of fresh air from the electronical HITnRun, although I've somewhat grown friendly with it. Definately think it's a prequel to Phase 2 and I don't think he needs a buffer from HnR to release. Bring it on, Purple One - come wit' it!

I, like others, thought of "3rd Rock From The Sun" when I heard the lyrics...

The whole "temporary living" interpretation though - is (fundamental) key. Rings true from his perpetual spiritual stance .

Se7en said:

prittypriss said:

In that case, I'm in full agreement with you! Sorry I missed your post.

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No worries! This thread is 13 pages long. It's easy to miss posts. But I must say, up until about page 9, this was one of the more positive threads I've seen on the org in a very long time.

SeeNote said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I, like others, thought of "3rd Rock From The Sun" when I heard the lyrics...

The whole "temporary living" interpretation though - is (fundamental) key. Rings true from his perpetual spiritual stance .

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I always try to look at his lyrics from that spiritual stance. It fits most of the time.

KingSausage said:

I just want to pause and point out that I love this song and I'm nowhere near the biggest hater on this thread. So all those people who got on my case when I hated HnR and called me a hater, well, you can just line up and kiss my sausagey ass. TL:DR Do I need to hand my hater card back in?

Aw, c'mon, who doesn't love a big juicy sausage once in a while (vegetarians excepted)...

V10LETBLUES said:

What I find really interesting, is that, the upward trajectory Prince was on, Purple Rain, Parade, SOTT, it seemed that with age his music would be getting that more sophisticated. I mean Paul McCarthy had a good long run after the beatles releasing so interesting tracks. Much more so Jhon Lennon.


So to see Prince go from a genius to fallinginlovetonite-like tracks after his 87 zenith is quite jarring. I always felt he suffred a stroke or something becasue that stuff is so far beneath him and really any artist without an extra chromosome 21.

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How can you find that interesting when it's just restating the same old cliché of well-worn regrets over the more respectable and minastream career he oughta, shoulda, coulda have?

Plus you can now diagnose strokes from vast distances in addition to deafness.

On the other hand, great that you can like some of the song despite your self-perceived superior sophistication.

[Edited 9/30/15 18:20pm]

Aerogram said:

V10LETBLUES said:

What I find really interesting, is that, the upward trajectory Prince was on, Purple Rain, Parade, SOTT, it seemed that with age his music would be getting that more sophisticated. I mean Paul McCarthy had a good long run after the beatles releasing so interesting tracks. Much more so Jhon Lennon.


So to see Prince go from a genius to fallinginlovetonite-like tracks after his 87 zenith is quite jarring. I always felt he suffred a stroke or something becasue that stuff is so far beneath him and really any artist without an extra chromosome 21.

[Edited 9/30/15 17:25pm]

Plus you can now diagnose strokes from vast distances in addition to deafness.

On the other hand, great that you can like some of the song despite your self-perceived superior sophistication.

You always have to be aware

THINK YOU ARE HAVING A STROKE? CALL 9-1-1 IMMEDIATELY! F.A.S.T. is an easy way to remember the sudden signs of stroke. When you can spot the signs, you'll know that you need to call 9-1-1 for help right away. F.A.S.T. is:

Face Drooping – Does one side of the face droop or is it numb? Ask the person to smile. Is the person's smile uneven? Arm Weakness – Is one arm weak or numb? Ask the person to raise both arms. Does one arm drift downward? Speech Difficulty – Is speech slurred? Is the person unable to speak or hard to understand? Ask the person to repeat a simple sentence, like "The sky is blue." Is the sentence repeated correctly? Time to call 9-1-1 – If someone shows any of these symptoms, even if the symptoms go away, call 9-1-1 and get the person to the hospital immediately. Check the time so you'll know when the first symptoms appeared.

V10LETBLUES said:

Aerogram said:

Plus you can now diagnose strokes from vast distances in addition to deafness.

On the other hand, great that you can like some of the song despite your self-perceived superior sophistication.

You always have to be aware

THINK YOU ARE HAVING A STROKE? CALL 9-1-1 IMMEDIATELY! F.A.S.T. is an easy way to remember the sudden signs of stroke. When you can spot the signs, you'll know that you need to call 9-1-1 for help right away. F.A.S.T. is:

Face Drooping – Does one side of the face droop or is it numb? Ask the person to smile. Is the person's smile uneven? Arm Weakness – Is one arm weak or numb? Ask the person to raise both arms. Does one arm drift downward? Speech Difficulty – Is speech slurred? Is the person unable to speak or hard to understand? Ask the person to repeat a simple sentence, like "The sky is blue." Is the sentence repeated correctly? Time to call 9-1-1 – If someone shows any of these symptoms, even if the symptoms go away, call 9-1-1 and get the person to the hospital immediately. Check the time so you'll know when the first symptoms appeared.

Actually, my partner had a stroke just six months ago perhaps using the condition to make your points on music you like or dislike is a little cartoonish.

Maybe listen to FreeUrself once more -- it's good for you.

Like some people are so much more sophisticated in their opinions than any others...

purplethunder3121 said:

V10LETBLUES said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Like some people are so much more sophisticated in their opinions than any others...

Of course that's true. Opinion..every one has, you like something it's all good. But there is a difference in quality, whether it's painting, design, film or music.

The problem with that opinion is that your own is superior to someone else's. Preference in "quality" is subjective in any art form...and always has been.

purplethunder3121 said:

V10LETBLUES said:

purplethunder3121 said:

The problem with that opinion is that your own is superior to someone else's. Preference in "quality" is subjective in any art form...and always has been.

To a certain extent. People can tell that Steven Spielberg is better than most directors. You can quantify quality and greatness to a certain extent. You cannot deny that. whether people like crap or not does not make that untrue.

The only quantifiable aspect to art of any kind is how much money can be made from it. Any other viewpoint is subject to the favor and flavor of the times in which we live...and it has always been that way. I may think that certain artists have more quality than others, but that is strictly my opinion. Which I think might be better than others...but, in reality isn't.

purplethunder3121 said:

V10LETBLUES said:

But seriously, something happened to the man. He is too young to come off so out of it. His lyrics and delivery is strange, like of someone much older or that actually did suffer a stroke. I've been talking about his awkward delivery making simple phrases come off so badly. His hearing! He uses a cheap digital trick to recreate his "camille" sound, and it sounds atrocious. Anyone, especially a discerning musician could hear and feel the difference. Mnplsound, Fallinlovetonight are so so badly made that it doesn't sound like they are by a professional much less a legend. Before we all knew that a first time 23 year old kid put the stuff together I made a thread about the elephant in the room because people were not talking about how amateurish AOA sounded. If you like it cool, I have always said that, but that it was amateurish is undeniable. No one needed to confirm to me or others that it was put together by an amateur. It sounds like it. A bad amateur. One with nothing new to say. It's one thing to be an amateur, it's another to not have a unique perspective, something new to add to the art. People trash music on the radio today, but that's only the less sophisticated among us. The top music on the radio is produced and written and performed by the people at the top of their game. The young headline artists are another thing, but the people behind Taylor Swift are people at the top of their game. The true pros, the best money can buy. Again, if people cannot hear that, cool, but it is obvious and again only the least sophisticated among us cannot tell. [Edited 9/30/15 20:34pm]

Ive never really understood your claim that AOA sounds amateurish. I can understand you not liking the music, that is fine. But compared to 20ten and MPLSound, AOA sounds rich and has depth (depth in the sound, not nccessarily in the content which is another debate). Sure, there is a worrying trend that is emerging with regards to clipping and I am surprised neither he nor Josh can hear it (or are not bothered by it). Perhaps there is a problem with his hearing. It wouldnt surprise me after all these years of performing live and loud.

Youre right that his song writing as a whole isnt what it used to be. Perhaps he just cant hear the music in his head the same way anymore. But then HNR was never meant to be an artistic statement. And I dont think AOA or PE were either. Maybe thats the problem. He hasnt wanted to make an artistic statement for a long time, not in album form anyway. He certainly still has the odd gem or two songwise.

Anyway, I like Free Urself. It is catchy without taking itself too seriously. It may not have pushed him creatively, but he has shown that he can still write a good, tuneful song that can be enjoyable. FallInLove2Nite on the other hand gets the Sucks Balls award in the Most Sucked Balls category at the international Biggest Suckiest Balls Since Purple & Gold awards.

V10LETBLUES said:

purplethunder3121 said:

The only quantifiable aspect to art of any kind is how much money can be made from it. Any other viewpoint is subject to the favor and flavor of the times in which we live...and it has always been that way. I may think that certain artists have more quality than others, but that is strictly my opinion. Which I think might be better than others...but, in reality isn't.

Well if you worked in the arts you would know how wrong you are about that. We always quantify art. Whether in art school or your portfolio or samples. Choose a field and you can guarantee that you will be judged and either impress or laughed off. It certainly is quantifiable to a large extent. Actually, scratch that. We as a society always quantify art and every thing else. Not just your peers. Out of all creative arts, we have always put some above others. Of all the artists and art ever to create, we have in aggregate always selected who is better. It's certainly true of 80's Prince. People in general have labeled that work as better than most from that era. And likewise we in aggregate will never deem Prince's newer work as quality work. It will be left off or be a side note or an asterisk to his career. [Edited 9/30/15 22:08pm]

The history of art and music is also littered with reassessments because contemporary views often turn out to be unbalanced when viewed in the context of the whole body of work with some time elapsed and some distance from the then trendy fashions. The intelligentsia of the time often turns out to be wildly influenced by some superficial factors that don't matter years later when someone else, from another generation, is appreciating the artist and unconcerned with such factors such as how cool they were or how high they charted.

It's hard to believe that Beethoven was upset with Rossini becoming more popular but he was. Today, no one would understand contemporaries basically saying "hey Ludwig! Watch out for the new kid on the block, his stuff sounds much fresher than your same old, same old". Beethoven is considered a titan and Rossini is loved as well, but no one would say he has more depth -- both men are considered quite extraordinary, but Beethoven towers, no question.

It's smart not to be overly dogmatic with your own tastes. "We in the arts" is not that great a vantage because you're saying you belong to an elite that supposedly knows better. However that elite has been shown to be quite influenced by the same social factors that affect everyone else, including predictable conformity. Just because you conform to the standards of fewer people doesn't make the conformity any less conformist.

I think in the long term, Prince's creativity is unlikely to be deemed lacklustre in light of the fact he created so many songs in so many styles during multiple decades, in many cases on his own in a studio. He will have peaks and valleys but overall his approach will shine, and that will include AOA has a strong entry in his body of work.

You don't have to hold your nose while keeping it in the air, isn't it a waste of your time? It sounds like you're still looking for beauty his way -- not bad for a supposedly washed out artist

Rebeljuice said:

FallInLove2Nite on the other hand gets the Sucks Balls award in the Most Sucked Balls category at the international Biggest Suckiest Balls Since Purple & Gold awards.

I like Fallinlove2nite. For me that ball sucking award goes to Boytrouble. And Boytrouble actually even takes the all time overall suckiest title away from Purple & Gold.

TheEnglishGent said:

BobGeorge909 said:

The theory is that princes music sux now and its bcuz he had a stroke?

Yes -- this from someone who thinks she has terrific taste.

I don't mind the disliking but come on: it's not terribly sophisticated to be so lacking in self-awareness.

Aerogram said:

OperatingThetan said:

I was Mr7. Not sure if anybody remembers me? But then I had a dramatic change of circumstances, which kind of necessitated a new name

I think I have one of the oldest avatars here.

Bart has toned it down considerably over the years his range of opinions on Prince's music has been:

pathetic

terrible

boring

half assed

botched

ruined

half decent

Not particularly remarkable

That's more or less in order so his opinion on this song is truly one of his least critical.

Free Urself must be a pretty good song.

Thanks Bart!

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yes..i think bart doesnt mind this track ..he would never admit it though

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i am still playing it...love it...i agree it wouldnt have made one of his 80s albums but it would have made a b side....and princes b sides in the 80s were pretty damn good...anybody else think this fits well with rock n roll love affair ?...which has grown on me a lot since it was released...

[Edited 10/1/15 3:23am]

I thought this was completely boring and predictable tbh. It has that same Cinnamon Girl type drum beat, and it feels like another in that line of songs where he's purposefully doing a lite version of older Prince tropes - like RNR Love Affair.

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If this, and Stare which sounds from the same pool of songs, were intended for an album - for all it's faults, I'm glad we got HNR instead, at least it sounds somewhat different.

KingSausage said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I like Fallinlove2nite. For me that ball sucking award goes to Boytrouble. And Boytrouble actually even takes the all time overall suckiest title away from Purple & Gold.

Oh, Boytrouble sucks those sucky balls dry. That song is a cultural crime against humanity, a disgusting milk fart set to music.

That's a bit harsh - on a milky fart. I don't really class Boytrouble as a Prince song, I just heard some girl rappers talking like aliens so I've only listened to it once. Worst for me would be Resolution - that's a proper turd..

blackbob said:

Aerogram said:

I think I have one of the oldest avatars here.

Bart has toned it down considerably over the years his range of opinions on Prince's music has been:

pathetic

terrible

boring

half assed

botched

ruined

half decent

Not particularly remarkable

That's more or less in order so his opinion on this song is truly one of his least critical.

Free Urself must be a pretty good song.

Thanks Bart!

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yes..i think bart doesnt mind this track ..he would never admit it though

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i am still playing it...love it...i agree it wouldnt have made one of his 80s albums but it would have made a b side....and princes b sides in the 80s were pretty damn good...anybody else think this fits well with rock n roll love affair ?...which has grown on me a lot since it was released...

[Edited 10/1/15 3:23am]

Yup. RNRLA and Baltimore seem to be born from the same sort of template. I think he has had this template for a long time in various guises. But this is probably one of his best executions of it.

I for one like the song, quite a bit actually. The background keyboards remind me of something off 1999/Controversy a bit (or from that era) and the "instrumental" at the end reminds me of Sexy Dancer or even something off of the Prince album.

The lyrics are basic, but in this case I think they work.