warning2all said:

GottaLetitgo said:

It wasn't in last week's Billboard but will be in this weeks, probably debuting in the mid-20s. Unless I am wrong, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, album does not appear in Billboard the week it comes out but the next week. That doesn't make the sales any better but the album WILL chart, albeit briefly.

Naw- for the week of September 26 Billboard 200 is posted now---HITNRUN did not break the Top 200 sales charts. I personally enjoy HITNRUN, but it has no future. Meanwhile, congratulations to WB's Duran Duran on scoring a Top 10 album with "Paper Gods"--an 80's act doing it the right way! [Edited 9/21/15 20:39pm]

yup. And I NEVER thought I'd say this, but even AOA was done somewhat the right way (top 5 hit). This album.... heh, idk.

warning2all said:

GottaLetitgo said:

It wasn't in last week's Billboard but will be in this weeks, probably debuting in the mid-20s. Unless I am wrong, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, album does not appear in Billboard the week it comes out but the next week. That doesn't make the sales any better but the album WILL chart, albeit briefly.

Naw- for the week of September 26 Billboard 200 is posted now---HITNRUN did not break the Top 200 sales charts. I personally enjoy HITNRUN, but it has no future. Meanwhile, congratulations to WB's Duran Duran on scoring a Top 10 album with "Paper Gods"--an 80's act doing it the right way! [Edited 9/21/15 20:39pm]

I'm arguing a point probably not worth arguing but The Weeknd still number one on Sept 26 and chart doesn't show Brett Eledrige or whoever the heck topped the Hitsdailydouble chart. Billboard runs a week ahead so this Thursday, with the new charts, we will be able to confirm the CD's appearance or lack therof.

GottaLetitgo said:

warning2all said:

GottaLetitgo said: Naw- for the week of September 26 Billboard 200 is posted now---HITNRUN did not break the Top 200 sales charts. I personally enjoy HITNRUN, but it has no future. Meanwhile, congratulations to WB's Duran Duran on scoring a Top 10 album with "Paper Gods"--an 80's act doing it the right way! [Edited 9/21/15 20:39pm]

I'm arguing a point probably not worth arguing but The Weeknd still number one on Sept 26 and chart doesn't show Brett Eledrige or whoever the heck topped the Hitsdailydouble chart. Billboard runs a week ahead so this Thursday, with the new charts, we will be able to confirm the CD's appearance or lack therof.

Correct, the Billboard charts have not been updated yet...

LondonIrish1970 said:

LondonIrish1970 said:

LondonIrish1970 said:

It is officially a new entry at 50 in UK charts.

so it is no.70 on Billboard?

Yes debuted at #70 on the U.S. Billboard

I'm not sure exactly what this thread is trying to accomplish:

1) Discuss/debate the album's Billboard ranking?

2) Discuss/debate the album's sales/income?

3) Discuss/debate the album's streaming count?
4) Discuss/debate the album's quality which would affect #1-2-3?

Se7en said:

I'm not sure exactly what this thread is trying to accomplish:

1) Discuss/debate the album's Billboard ranking?

2) Discuss/debate the album's sales/income?

3) Discuss/debate the album's streaming count?
4) Discuss/debate the album's quality which would affect #1-2-3?

Simple...

#70 Billboard

HitnrRun first week U.S. SALES + Streaming = 10,562

warning2all said:

For comparison sake: Duran Duran debuts @ #10: DD posted videos for almost every song from the new "Paper Gods", on YouTube, had the promotional backing of Warner Brothers, while doing TV performances and concerts like the one @ Red Rocks. Prince debuts @ #70: posted a song on Spotify not even on his new album, made his album a Spotify exclusive, then released a physical version without much notice. One is a recipe for success; one for failure. #70--wow.......

Doesn't matter anymore, PRINCE gets his upfront sum when it comes to distributing his music now a days...

Planet Earth and 20Ten combined, he probably made more money just from distributing it in the magazine/newspaper than he probably made from Diamonds & Pearls and other multi platinum albums he's released...

At this point I doubt PRINCE will ever go Platinum again, nor do I think he cares at all about sales anymore as evident of his lack of proper promotion.

[Edited 9/22/15 15:53pm]

Jewel, Ben Folds, Slayer and The Scorpions all debuted better than Prince this week. Yikes!

3rdeyedude said:

Jewel, Ben Folds, Slayer and The Scorpions all debuted better than Prince this week. Yikes!

Prince has always been a hit or miss when it comes to commercial success because it's his own doing...

He can go from a commercial failure of Graffiti Bridge only going GOLD to the very next year selling almost 7 million copies of Diamonds & Pearls... He can spend the next 5 years being more commercially underground than ever from 98-2003 with the lowest consecutive sales of his career and a year later he has an album that sold 3 million world wide, Musicology, the biggest tour of 2004...

It's all how he handles his promotion ventures, or rather if he cares enough to or not. If he gets his lump sum up front, he really shouldn't care about promotion because he already got what he thinks he "deserves".

AOA was an average standard success for this day and age of record sales... It sold over 200k which is not bad at all, with the only legitimate promotion being the SNL performance a couple weeks after the album already was released... Plectrum Electrum is a different story and was not even a modest success at all...

However the point with AOA is less than a year he goes from numbers of over 50k first week sales to sales just about 10k in less than a year...

Hey if PRINCE got his lump sum upfront then I really guess there is no point for a thread like this or any sale discussion, cause it's apparent he doesn't care at all when it comes to promoting his albums now a days or it's sales figures.

First week sales:

2006 3121: 183,436

2007 Planet Earth: 96,000

2009 Lotusflow3r: 168,000

2014 Art Official Age: 51,00

2014 Plectrum Electrum: 26,000

2015 HitnRun: 10,562

**Just in on Hits Daily Double building the upcoming album sales chart 57% calculated, HitnRun with a total of 2,120 sales so far...

[Edited 9/22/15 17:14pm]

[Edited 9/22/15 17:19pm]

[Edited 9/22/15 17:19pm]

feeluupp said:

3rdeyedude said:

Jewel, Ben Folds, Slayer and The Scorpions all debuted better than Prince this week. Yikes!

Prince has always been a hit or miss when it comes to commercial success because it's his own doing...

He can go from a commercial failure of Graffiti Bridge only going GOLD to the very next year selling almost 7 million copies of Diamonds & Pearls... He can spend the next 5 years being more commercially underground than ever from 98-2003 with the lowest consecutive sales of his career and a year later he has an album that sold 3 million world wide, Musicology, the biggest tour of 2004...

It's all how he handles his promotion ventures, or rather if he cares enough to or not. If he gets his lump sum up front, he really shouldn't care about promotion because he already got what he thinks he "deserves".

AOA was an average standard success for this day and age of record sales... It sold over 200k which is not bad at all, with the only legitimate promotion being the SNL performance a couple weeks after the album already was released... Plectrum Electrum is a different story and was not even a modest success at all...

However the point with AOA is less than a year he goes from numbers of over 50k first week sales to sales just about 10k in less than a year...

Hey if PRINCE got his lump sum upfront then I really guess there is no point for a thread like this or any sale discussion, cause it's apparent he doesn't care at all when it comes to promoting his albums now a days or it's sales figures.

I believe Prinnce cares way too much about sales.

He wanted Emancipatiion sales to count 3x because it was 3 discs and included Musicology with ticket sales so they would also count as album sales.

Can't believe he got away with that bully-shit.

I bought HitnRun but obviously hardly anyone else did.

-

How does he expect to fulfill that 100 million $ contract if HitnRun don't sell 5 millon copies?

This is bad situation!

feeluupp said:

warning2all said:

feeluupp said:

First week sales:

2006 3121: 183,436

2007 Planet Earth: 96,000

2009 Lotusflow3r: 168,000

2014 Art Official Age: 51,00

2014 Plectrum Electrum: 26,000

2015 HitnRun: 10,562

**Just in on Hits Daily Double building the upcoming album sales chart 57% calculated, HitnRun with a total of 2,120 sales so far...

[Edited 9/22/15 17:14pm]

[Edited 9/22/15 17:19pm]

[Edited 9/22/15 17:19pm]

It's more representative of a disappearing fan base than any other theory. Sign of the times indeed Prince could only play so many games, and make people jump through only so many hoops, while delivering mediocre product for only so long. It's caught up with him, plain and simple. One only wonders what sales will be of the next 3rdeyegirl album, hey? The "#1 at the bank"/ getting paid upfront can't be that fulfilling if no one is listening to your art. People will eventually stop paying upfront, too.

who cares...indifference is a masterpiece

luvsexy4all said:

Well for those that have been hyping up how bad Simon Le Bon and crew have been kicking the Purple Yoda's booty, HNR is ranked higher than Double D in week 2. Duran Duran fell has fallen from 10-40 in Hitsdailydouble's Building Chart after 57% of sales factored. Jewel is below Prince too. So maybe the album isn't a colossal disaster after all. (Okay, it is a disaster saleswise but just thought I would point this out).

[Edited 9/22/15 18:34pm]

luvsexy4all said:

warning2all said:

feeluupp said: It's more representative of a disappearing fan base than any other theory. Sign of the times indeed Prince could only play so many games, and make people jump through only so many hoops, while delivering mediocre product for only so long. It's caught up with him, plain and simple. One only wonders what sales will be of the next 3rdeyegirl album, hey? The "#1 at the bank"/ getting paid upfront can't be that fulfilling if no one is listening to your art. People will eventually stop paying upfront, too.

who cares...indifference is a masterpiece

Who cares. So don't care to comment. Everytime I post a sales thread u always give attitude.

You are wrong guys.

The album debuted at #34 with sales of 6437 copies.

SOUNDSCAN (WEEK ENDING 9/17/15) - 10/3 Billboard's Top Current Albums

34) Prince – HitNRun Phase One – 6,437

Also

Japan Oricon Weekly:

47 (NEW) 1 HITnRUN phase one 1,893 / 1,893

[Edited 9/22/15 21:00pm]

TKO said:

You are wrong guys.

The album debuted at #34 with sales of 6437 copies.

SOUNDSCAN (WEEK ENDING 9/17/15) - 10/3 Billboard's Top Current Albums

34) Prince – HitNRun Phase One – 6,437

Also

Japan Oricon Weekly:

47 (NEW) 1 HITnRUN phase one 1,893 / 1,893

[Edited 9/22/15 21:00pm]

Don't know where you are getting those numbers...

It debuted on #70 on Billboard you can check the link:

http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200

and it sold 10,562 first week sales.

feeluupp said:

3rdeyedude said:

Jewel, Ben Folds, Slayer and The Scorpions all debuted better than Prince this week. Yikes!

Prince has always been a hit or miss when it comes to commercial success because it's his own doing...

He can go from a commercial failure of Graffiti Bridge only going GOLD to the very next year selling almost 7 million copies of Diamonds & Pearls... He can spend the next 5 years being more commercially underground than ever from 98-2003 with the lowest consecutive sales of his career and a year later he has an album that sold 3 million world wide, Musicology, the biggest tour of 2004...

It's all how he handles his promotion ventures, or rather if he cares enough to or not. If he gets his lump sum up front, he really shouldn't care about promotion because he already got what he thinks he "deserves".

AOA was an average standard success for this day and age of record sales... It sold over 200k which is not bad at all, with the only legitimate promotion being the SNL performance a couple weeks after the album already was released... Plectrum Electrum is a different story and was not even a modest success at all...

However the point with AOA is less than a year he goes from numbers of over 50k first week sales to sales just about 10k in less than a year...

Hey if PRINCE got his lump sum upfront then I really guess there is no point for a thread like this or any sale discussion, cause it's apparent he doesn't care at all when it comes to promoting his albums now a days or it's sales figures.

Agreed. The promotional buildup leading up to the release of "HITNRUN" was about the streaming of the music on TIDAL. If the general public only know of "HITNRUN" being a streaming exclusive on Jay-Z's platform, it only makes sense for sales of the CD (which was announced officially days leading up to September 7) to be so low. Prince already got the money upfront by TIDAL proportionate to the nominal value Prince assigned to the product. Now Prince can move on to recording the next project, maybe 3RDEYEGIRL or another female associated act.

bashraka said:

feeluupp said:

Prince has always been a hit or miss when it comes to commercial success because it's his own doing...

He can go from a commercial failure of Graffiti Bridge only going GOLD to the very next year selling almost 7 million copies of Diamonds & Pearls... He can spend the next 5 years being more commercially underground than ever from 98-2003 with the lowest consecutive sales of his career and a year later he has an album that sold 3 million world wide, Musicology, the biggest tour of 2004...

It's all how he handles his promotion ventures, or rather if he cares enough to or not. If he gets his lump sum up front, he really shouldn't care about promotion because he already got what he thinks he "deserves".

AOA was an average standard success for this day and age of record sales... It sold over 200k which is not bad at all, with the only legitimate promotion being the SNL performance a couple weeks after the album already was released... Plectrum Electrum is a different story and was not even a modest success at all...

However the point with AOA is less than a year he goes from numbers of over 50k first week sales to sales just about 10k in less than a year...

Hey if PRINCE got his lump sum upfront then I really guess there is no point for a thread like this or any sale discussion, cause it's apparent he doesn't care at all when it comes to promoting his albums now a days or it's sales figures.

Agreed. The promotional buildup leading up to the release of "HITNRUN" was about the streaming of the music on TIDAL. If the general public only know of "HITNRUN" being a streaming exclusive on Jay-Z's platform, it only makes sense for sales of the CD (which was announced officially days leading up to September 7) to be so low. Prince already got the money upfront by TIDAL proportionate to the nominal value Prince assigned to the product. Now Prince can move on to recording the next project, maybe 3RDEYEGIRL or another female associated act.

Agreed too...

In germany we had zero promotion...not even one newspaper reviewed HNR whereas AOA got major

attention and a lot of good press...

Seems this one was really all about tidal...but still good it was available later as CD and download...

It is a bit sad to see the bad chart positions everywhere, though...

Maybe these poor sales will finally convince Prince that trying to stake a claim in the charts using young, hip guest singers/rappers on songs aimed at the commercial market just doesnt work. Maybe now he can let go of that idea and just say "duck it, Im going to make music for myself and not care what anyone thinks anymore." D-D-D-D-Death to the Whoooooosh, here comes the underground!

EroticDreamer said:

feeluupp said:

Prince has always been a hit or miss when it comes to commercial success because it's his own doing...

He can go from a commercial failure of Graffiti Bridge only going GOLD to the very next year selling almost 7 million copies of Diamonds & Pearls... He can spend the next 5 years being more commercially underground than ever from 98-2003 with the lowest consecutive sales of his career and a year later he has an album that sold 3 million world wide, Musicology, the biggest tour of 2004...

It's all how he handles his promotion ventures, or rather if he cares enough to or not. If he gets his lump sum up front, he really shouldn't care about promotion because he already got what he thinks he "deserves".

AOA was an average standard success for this day and age of record sales... It sold over 200k which is not bad at all, with the only legitimate promotion being the SNL performance a couple weeks after the album already was released... Plectrum Electrum is a different story and was not even a modest success at all...

However the point with AOA is less than a year he goes from numbers of over 50k first week sales to sales just about 10k in less than a year...

Hey if PRINCE got his lump sum upfront then I really guess there is no point for a thread like this or any sale discussion, cause it's apparent he doesn't care at all when it comes to promoting his albums now a days or it's sales figures.

I believe Prinnce cares way too much about sales.

He wanted Emancipatiion sales to count 3x because it was 3 discs and included Musicology with ticket sales so they would also count as album sales.

Can't believe he got away with that bully-shit.

I bought HitnRun but obviously hardly anyone else did.

-

How does he expect to fulfill that 100 million $ contract if HitnRun don't sell 5 millon copies?

This is bad situation!

I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

Multiple disc albums count as 2x or 3x the sales. That's how it's always worked. That wasn't Prince's idea.

The Musicology/ticket idea was a stroke of genius and led to Billboard having to re-assess how they count sales. Plenty of people have followed that model since.

linus4000 said:

It is a bit sad to see the bad chart positions everywhere, though...

I'm happy, because it's such a bad record. Hopefully prince will now learn that the younger audience doesn't care about him, and he will start making good music again, instead of copying shit music in an desperate attempt to top the charts.

Militant said:

EroticDreamer said:

I believe Prinnce cares way too much about sales.

He wanted Emancipatiion sales to count 3x because it was 3 discs and included Musicology with ticket sales so they would also count as album sales.

Can't believe he got away with that bully-shit.

I bought HitnRun but obviously hardly anyone else did.

-

How does he expect to fulfill that 100 million $ contract if HitnRun don't sell 5 millon copies?

This is bad situation!

I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

Multiple disc albums count as 2x or 3x the sales. That's how it's always worked. That wasn't Prince's idea.

The Musicology/ticket idea was a stroke of genius and led to Billboard having to re-assess how they count sales. Plenty of people have followed that model since.

Either it was the Slave Trade dvd or another that said otherwise.

So does that mean that 1999 and SotT counted as double sales too?

If so, I was unaware and stand corrected.

I believe the Musicology CD with ticket purchase was just a way to inflate album sale numbers (that could be considered genius) but has he done it since?

And I never troll so you don't have to wonder.

.

I still think that HNR is the worst of P album, but at the same time I don't think sales are an effective indication of the quality of an album.

"Musicology" sold really well but it wasn't a great album.

.

Anyway to me it's obvious that it is anachronistic for us to wait great sales from P album, nowadays.

P is not more a top "market artist" on today's standard.

To me and you it will be the top of all artists for ever, probably.

But to the rest of world, simply no.

.

ludwig said:

linus4000 said:

It is a bit sad to see the bad chart positions everywhere, though...

I'm happy, because it's such a bad record. Hopefully prince will now learn that the younger audience doesn't care about him, and he will start making good music again, instead of copying shit music in an desperate attempt to top the charts.

I understand what you mean. But what Prince does is very conflicting...

On one side he tries to sound younger, modern, records with Rita Ora...( some songs work on HNR in my opinion, some not)

On the other side he tries to support tidal and releases the new album in a way so not many people know about it and makes barely any promotion except some interviews in the us press...

He releases no single, no video, nothing and that is the main reason for the bad chart positions...

He simply is trying too much...So unfocused...

And that strategy doesn`t work...

For me HitnRun is more like a good AOA Bonus Album...that way it makes more sense...at least for me

KingSausage said:

I'm no cheerleader for HnR, but I honestly think this analysis of sales is a bit silly. Aside from the fact that so many diehard Prince fans checked it out on Tidal, many of the reviews and articles related to HnR discussed it as a Tidal exclusive. No mention of a CD for sale later. A member of the general public who has only a passing interest in Prince would likely ignore HnR in this case. Does anyone know whether and how offline listening from Tidal counts toward the streaming portion of the album's "sales"? I downloaded the album on Tidal for offline listening and never once streamed it per se. Does Tidal count how many times I listened to my offline download and then factor that into streaming counts? Or does it count one offline download as one sale? If offline downloads aren't counted or nobody knows how they're counted, this is really apples to oranges.

i am not sure, but i think i counts everytime you hear the record...did that myself too...

And it counts towards the album sales...because the sales in the US are just 8000 something and with streaming it is 10 000 plus...