scififilmnerd said:

It was a crappy outtakes release anyway. Most of the tracks were old news and almost all of the previously unheard tracks were just samples. Big disappointment.

47 tracks or so and all I took away from it was Computer Blue with hallway speech which was previously only in mono as well as Baby I'm A Star studio version, Prince's versions of I Guess I'm Crazy and Ain't No Place Like U, Bonnie Raitt's I Need A Man plus the remixes of Trust, P. Control, The Holy River and Hot Wit U. But that's something, I guess.

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The Computer Blue "EP" is worth the price of admission. Otherwise I more or less agree.

dandan said:

Okay people, on Guitars101.com there is a guy called Richard Dower and he's the real deal when it comes to Prince bootlegs. Here a sample of what he's posted so far regarding these new leaks. Apparently he got a lifetime ban from here for some reason.

First thing i listened to was the Hallway Speech version of Computer Blue.

Its superb....its BLOWS anything i did or had out of the water, quality wise....BUT...its still **not** T.'s pristine quality source.

It might be mp3 compression, but i think T. still has the pristine digital copy.
No matter...if this is as good as we can get then AWESOME!

Finally...after all these years, we have it!....and the full hallways speech in this quality is such a joy and gave me such a buzz!

Lisa #2....legit, its a different mixdown, you hear alot more of the backing tracks, i dont think its a different version per se, just a different mixdown and you hear different multitracks in the mix you didnt hear before.

Jealous Girl...imo this is a reworked version, its not the 1981 version, it sounds like it was revamped in 1987 or 88, Prince was not using horns in 1981...Eric and Eddie M. only came onto the scene in 1984.

Standing In The Rain....sounds like a auidio outtake from the Grafitti Bridge movie....like a deleted scene from the film.

The Baby I'm A Star demo is SUPER INTERESTNG!....why?...i had this on a cassette i got from a UK collector in early 1990. It also had lots of other Purple Rain outtakes.
That cassette was the source for the stereo copy of Computer Blue i had, and other tracks that ended up on The Work.

What is interesting is that UPTOWN labeled this track a fake!, i think the reason was that the track was speed WAY UP!.....it was chipmunk, sounded nothing like Prince.

Well Done....a few extra beats at the start, but overall the same as what we had before....but, Deposition and The Work have better quality.

I Wonder.....runs too fast, the its been pitched up from the Deposition version, its cleaner...the denoising is pretty good, not swirly. I thinks its better the The Work or Deposition/Preposition.....but its needs a serious pitch down.

This runs too fast, and i think Deposition runs too slow....so if someone can pitch this somewhere in the middle i think we'll have a winner!

Velvet Kitty Cat.....this version ain't the 1983 version, to me this sounds like a reworked version from much later. Wasn't this propsed as a track on that Roadhouse Garden project?....so we're talking 1998 here.

Mo' Fun, pointless....Fantasia had this nailed, Mo' Fun came from an in-house WB cassette single, Fantasia 3CD has the definitive copy. Though i have always liked this track myself.....

Big Tall Wall....its incomplete, the original drum beats intro is missing, the end of the track is also missing. Obvious signs of fan dehissing/denoising.....mr. swirly swirl.

I cant remember too well what the source on The Work sounds like, i *think* i used The Jewel Box 1 or 2 as the source, because it was the full version.
Then i put a higher quality edited version on the later CDR of The Work EE....i remember using an Italian 4CD "Only 4 U" as the source.

I'd have to compare the sources....but this one newly circulating sounds pretty good to me, keeper.

Allegiance....this sounds like that track T. talked about, he had a copy from an in-house WB cassette, this seems to suffer from mp3 compression....so i don't think its T.'s actually source copy.

Overall i would say this is better then Deposition, though its been a very long time since i heard that boot.

Strange Way Of Saying I Love U - like night and day...lol. bloody fans!, whomever leaked it back in the day ran it through a freaking telephone line....they really fecked up the sound, on purpose!

Collector BS....the audio hear is pristine, albeit edited/faded down....on purpose.

Good Man...not new, it came from a DAT, i put this track on The Work EE back in the day....i think this surfaced in 2004. The only oddity is that Your Love Is So Hard from the same DAT never leaked?

It seems obvious that a lot of these tracks were pulled out of the vault and reworked/revamped. Most of them were originally recorded in 1981/82....Prince obvious pulled them out of the vault and revamped them during 1986-1988....I think most of these originate from 87 and 88, the production is of that era, obvious giveaway are the Eric Leads horns.

Prince wasn't using live horns back in 81 or 82....he would use a synth to imitate a horn line and then bring in Eric or Matt to replace the synth with horns...a good example is Pink Cashmere.

Someone asked this question on Prince.org about Computer Blue:

"What's interesting is that around the 7:10 mark on the cut and past job we had before (Liberation mix) there's the opening/ending guitar feedback that pops up in the mix for a second right after a scream. Hard to explain but not any other version has this. It would be about at the 7:15 mark on the latest. Anyone know what the heck I'm talking about? "

^ because that guitar feedback was inserted by T. in the 30 second sample he posted to AMP, it was his way of tagging it as his. The new full length/quality source we just got dosen't have it because it was not really there, originally.

I put that 30 sec sample on The Work as a hidden track and added reverb to the end to allow for a fade out.

*Here he posts a link to what he's talking about*

Just listening now to all the various Computer Blue tracks....the first version recorded live at the Warehouse #1 is imo a bit worse then The Work EE, or 30 Years Of Funk, or the original fan CDR that spawned the other fan tweakings.

For The Work EE. I use the 128kbps mp3 that T. uploaded to AMP...because it was the best sounding. The copy we just got seems swirly, deffo mp3 compression.

I mean....if you have a 128kbps mp3...convert it to .wav and then make another mp3 from that .wav, well....its just getting worse and worse.

This sounds like an mp3 of an mp3 to me....that's the problem with the internet and files, fan tweaking....as it changes hands and gets altered it most often just gets worse and worse.

You gotta consider source integrity, which is why I still have all 39 master CDR of The Work EE....source integrity, I know where each and every track came from.

Back then....I had all the original pressed outtake boots, anything I didn't have I got from my trusted sources, guys I know had the originals, when it came to fan CDR releases I got them from the original guys who made them.

Anything that was internet based, NPGMC, mp3.....I got all the original sources.
10-15 years on files have been copied, altered, tweaked, butchered, compressed and uncompressed to the point fans don't have a CLUE what they are getting anymore!

This new leak is great and all, appreciated, clearly someone close to T. leaked these....probably time, not caring anymore about promises or collector BS.
But it is uber annoying that most are bloody excerpts and samples...deliberate fades and what not.

It was one of the reasons i quit Prince and the fandom, too much BS and politics. I son'r think Prince has released anything decent officially in 15 years....i don' even listen to his albums.


I wonder why the sample of Prince's version of A Million Miles (I Love You) has not surfaced?....its the last sample not to appear in proper quality. I still want Heaven and a better copy of the '87 version of Wouldn't You Love To Love Me.

Thanks for posting this! Great info. I remember Richard, and T, posting to AMP all the time years ago.

btw I never had in any interactions with Richard but I did with T. He's a cool guy who knows what he's talking about and also has lots of interesting stories to tell.

KingSausage said:

What if T is Tony M? We mock him ceaselessly here, but then he turns around and dedicates years to leaking all these classic tracks we love and cherish. He'd be like our Dark Knight, the hero we need right now or something.

no ..ive met him

KeithyT said:

Thanks for posting that dandan.

Interesting to see even those who have more "encyclopaedic" knowledge of what has come before, find it difficult to keep track of which songs are from which source, which have been altered/edited again, and which have been improved or worsened - quality or compression wise.

As I was putting these into iTunes last night I kept on thinking "I've got this somewhere else, I wonder if it's really better, is my other version cleaner". Could drive a person mad

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If Prince hadn't been an ass we'd probably have a wiki by now that detailed all this. But who wants to invest his time and money into something that will inevitably get you a bunch of lawsuit threats?

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So here we are now.

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Note how the NIN community doesn't have these issues.

AhPook said:

scififilmnerd said:

It was a crappy outtakes release anyway. Most of the tracks were old news and almost all of the previously unheard tracks were just samples. Big disappointment.

47 tracks or so and all I took away from it was Computer Blue with hallway speech which was previously only in mono as well as Baby I'm A Star studio version, Prince's versions of I Guess I'm Crazy and Ain't No Place Like U, Bonnie Raitt's I Need A Man plus the remixes of Trust, P. Control, The Holy River and Hot Wit U. But that's something, I guess.

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The Computer Blue "EP" is worth the price of admission. Otherwise I more or less agree.

the original version of Baby I'm a Star though , been wanting to hear that for years

I Guess I'm Crazy with Prince vocals.....


this song gets BIG LOVE from me.....

jaawwnn said:

AhPook said:

The Computer Blue "EP" is worth the price of admission. Otherwise I more or less agree.

the original version of Baby I'm a Star though , been wanting to hear that for years

But is it the original? The engineer back then (Don Batts?) said it was a great piano-driven tune. These are only piano/keyboard accents...

As I said Richard still visits here but has a lifetime ban for some reason. Do you reckon it would be possible to get his account reactivated because it would be great to have him and his kwowledge in discussions on here.

Pentacle said:

jaawwnn said:

the original version of Baby I'm a Star though , been wanting to hear that for years

But is it the original? The engineer back then (Don Batts?) said it was a great piano-driven tune. These are only piano/keyboard accents...

oh god here we go.

(fair point)

BartVanHemelen said:

If Prince hadn't been an ass we'd probably have a wiki by now that detailed all this.

Yes possibly.

Angelsoncrack said:

databank said:

This is one of the problems with the Org, some people write nonsense and people who read their nonsense but do not read the corrective statements buy the nonsense and start thorizing over it or repeat it on further threads. Please read my replies above regarding T and Tony M.

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Regarding P and Tony there has to have been some bad blood: reportedly P wrote Eye Hate U about Tony and Carmen sleeping together behind P's back so it says it all. However after whatever happened between Carmen and Tony (if the story about EHU is true) and P recorded the song, he nevertheless invited Tony to guest on stage once in 1994. Then a few years later Tony and Levi sued P for unpaid royalties. I do not know that they ever met or spoke ever since but I don't live with either of them and this was all 20 years ago so who knows... Prince was known to dislike his associates to sleep with his female protégés even though HE slept with several girls at the same time all the time, as evidenced by how Tony LeMans was blacklisted from paisley Park after he slept with Ingrid (his second album would have been released on the label and even contain a Prince composition, but Tony wasn't allowed inside PP anymore even for recording sessions). Basically I think after both Tony M and Tony LeMans slept with P's girlfriends, he was probably careful never to have another Tony around him

Ah fair enough. I should probably note though that I have aspergers and can find it hard to differentiate sarcasm (unless it's blatant) and stuff on the internet because I can't read tone of voice lmao. That's just my issue.

But I didn't know that about Ingrid and Tony LeMans though, I was always under the impression that Ingrid and Prince never had a relationship apart from in GB. From the Paisley Park pic Tony was pretty hot haha. I heard he died though. RIP.

Regarding Tony M I think it would depend on how deep the bad blood goes then for him to release vault tracks behind P's back. If it is him then after like what? 20 odd years and he's still pissed off as to do this, then it makes me wonder.

The original statement wasn't sarcasm, only an uneducated guess. For the last time we DO know who T is and he's not Tony M. Also, we know quite precisely which sets of outtakes have been leaked by T over the years and the recent leaks are not by him (if only because, as pointed out by BigChick, they're a mess and T has always leaked well organized collections).

Tony may have leaked some tracks to bootleggers in the 90's for all we know, so could have any past P associate, but there is no proof of such a thing ever happening.

databank said:

Given this rather chaotic and unorganised release, what do people think are the keepers because theyre better than anything else we have and which ones are no discernable improvement (or worse) than whats already out there?

I dont think I've heard Computer Blue (Hallway) in such good quality but I'm disappointed that Purple Music still has that horrendous sibilence (I suppose Ill have to learn how to use spitfish and try and do it myself rather than rely on someone who probably knows about these things better than me).

I really like some of the shorter tracks and wish we had the full versions.

Maybe someone will tidy this mess up and come up up with a coherent release (BFTP 3???)

databank said:

Angelsoncrack said:

Ah fair enough. I should probably note though that I have aspergers and can find it hard to differentiate sarcasm (unless it's blatant) and stuff on the internet because I can't read tone of voice lmao. That's just my issue.

But I didn't know that about Ingrid and Tony LeMans though, I was always under the impression that Ingrid and Prince never had a relationship apart from in GB. From the Paisley Park pic Tony was pretty hot haha. I heard he died though. RIP.

Regarding Tony M I think it would depend on how deep the bad blood goes then for him to release vault tracks behind P's back. If it is him then after like what? 20 odd years and he's still pissed off as to do this, then it makes me wonder.

The original statement wasn't sarcasm, only an uneducated guess. For the last time we DO know who T is and he's not Tony M. Also, we know quite precisely which sets of outtakes have been leaked by T over the years and the recent leaks are not by him (if only because, as pointed out by BigChick, they're a mess and T has always leaked well organized collections).

Tony may have leaked some tracks to bootleggers in the 90's for all we know, so could have any past P associate, but there is no proof of such a thing ever happening.

Yeah, I know I was just saying that I have seen a lot of people taking the piss out of Tony M and sometimes I hoenstly can't tell whats serious or not haha.

But yeah, I understand what you're saying. The leaks could have come from numerous sources, I mean a lot of P's friendships/relationships it seems, end on a bad note.

Pjwest said:

Given this rather chaotic and unorganised release, what do people think are the keepers because theyre better than anything else we have and which ones are no discernable improvement (or worse) than whats already out there?

I like Velvet Kitt... eh? what? where'd it go?

Angelsoncrack said:

databank said:

The original statement wasn't sarcasm, only an uneducated guess. For the last time we DO know who T is and he's not Tony M. Also, we know quite precisely which sets of outtakes have been leaked by T over the years and the recent leaks are not by him (if only because, as pointed out by BigChick, they're a mess and T has always leaked well organized collections).

Tony may have leaked some tracks to bootleggers in the 90's for all we know, so could have any past P associate, but there is no proof of such a thing ever happening.

Yeah, I know I was just saying that I have seen a lot of people taking the piss out of Tony M and sometimes I hoenstly can't tell whats serious or not haha.

But yeah, I understand what you're saying. The leaks could have come from numerous sources, I mean a lot of P's friendships/relationships it seems, end on a bad note.

It's not even necessarily linked. U can like someone and nevertheless betray them on some level, either for money or just out of the enthusiasm of sharing the stuff with people.

Pjwest said:

Revolution81 said:

Pjwest said:

Given this rather chaotic and unorganised release, what do people think are the keepers because theyre better than anything else we have and which ones are no discernable improvement (or worse) than whats already out there?

I dont think I've heard Computer Blue (Hallway) in such good quality but I'm disappointed that Purple Music still has that horrendous sibilence (I suppose Ill have to learn how to use spitfish and try and do it myself rather than rely on someone who probably knows about these things better than me).

I really like some of the shorter tracks and wish we had the full versions.

Maybe someone will tidy this mess up and come up up with a coherent release (BFTP 3???)

Exrraloveable also has that annoying sibilance

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And it is also still too fast. Downward adjustment of ca. 1.9% - 2.1% needed, although with less than satisfying results on account of multigenerational tape loss of the underlying content, and the song seems a little more mediocre hearing it at its proper playback speed.

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Pjwest said:

Given this rather chaotic and unorganised release, what do people think are the keepers because theyre better than anything else we have and which ones are no discernable improvement (or worse) than whats already out there?

I dont think I've heard Computer Blue (Hallway) in such good quality but I'm disappointed that Purple Music still has that horrendous sibilence (I suppose Ill have to learn how to use spitfish and try and do it myself rather than rely on someone who probably knows about these things better than me).

I really like some of the shorter tracks and wish we had the full versions.

Maybe someone will tidy this mess up and come up up with a coherent release (BFTP 3???)

I've had this version, or something very closely related to this leak, for at least 7 or 8 years. I believe it has been partially assembled from more than one source, as well, or otherwise the noise reduction & misc. trader tampering have disproportionately affected certain specific regions in the track; the beginning (prior to Wendy and Lisa's 'introduction') and the main spoken vocals during the Hallway speech itself stand out like sore thumbs in that regard.

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Where is Shlomo's list? I forgot some of the titles. lol

You Mods--grrrr

dandan said:

Okay people, on Guitars101.com there is a guy called Richard Dower and he's the real deal when it comes to Prince bootlegs. Here a sample of what he's posted so far regarding these new leaks. Apparently he got a lifetime ban from here for some reason.

Someone asked this question on Prince.org about Computer Blue:

"What's interesting is that around the 7:10 mark on the cut and past job we had before (Liberation mix) there's the opening/ending guitar feedback that pops up in the mix for a second right after a scream. Hard to explain but not any other version has this. It would be about at the 7:15 mark on the latest. Anyone know what the heck I'm talking about? "

^ because that guitar feedback was inserted by T. in the 30 second sample he posted to AMP, it was his way of tagging it as his. The new full length/quality source we just got dosen't have it because it was not really there, originally.

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Good Man...not new, it came from a DAT, i put this track on The Work EE back in the day....i think this surfaced in 2004. The only oddity is that Your Love Is So Hard from the same DAT never leaked?

Thanks for posting this dandan! That answers it. That was my question from the original thread. I knew I wasn't nuts. I had me wondering if there was yet another version of C.Blue. It actually sounded cool with that feedback part in there.

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He mentioned Good Man but didn't say anything about it's speed. The version on the Work is pitched down compared to the latest. ???

If I Love U Tonight

I Guess I'm Crazy

I Wonder

If It'll Make U Happy

If I Could Get Your Attention

may faves so far

I'm in love with I Guess I'm Crazy. I never even bothered with Mavis' version, even though I love the title track off that album, but I can get with it now too ). It kinda makes me a bit nervous cuz I am actually crazy . It Ain't Over til the Fat Lady Sings is another jam (it's my new ringtone ). Wanna hear the whole 2 hours he prolly recorded .

So, the two-minute snippets, can we safely assume those are all from the infamous "sampler cassette" that Big House, Hard to Get, etc., all came from? There's supposed to be 30 songs on there, and we have what now, 10 or 12? Is this the "gem" that only a few people have, or are there any full songs travelling around? I remember T used to brag about having Cosmic Day, it's clear now that he only had the snippet.

Then again, "Adonis & Bathsheba" and "Traffic Jam" appeared in full form, so who knows! Balls.

dadeepop said:

I'm with squirrel. And I'm also putting this silly album art on all of these tracks.

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"*PAAAAAAAAAAAAARP!!!*"

nos hablas la grandas deus.

crossfading bootleg Prince tracks is a bit like having a deliberate accident on a highway, wading through the airbag having survived, then wading into another airbag and driving off backwards.

Because of this I now know how the Devil runs to his evil car, so it's a win win overall.

Carry on, sir!

Cx

billymeade said:

So, the two-minute snippets, can we safely assume those are all from the infamous "sampler cassette" that Big House, Hard to Get, etc., all came from? There's supposed to be 30 songs on there, and we have what now, 10 or 12? Is this the "gem" that only a few people have, or are there any full songs travelling around? I remember T used to brag about having Cosmic Day, it's clear now that he only had the snippet.

Then again, "Adonis & Bathsheba" and "Traffic Jam" appeared in full form, so who knows! Balls.

My own hunch is that sample cassette story was bogus. This was supposed to be a tape of song samples Prince was offering to other artists, right? When did Prince ever do that, and why is it not documented anywhere?

Revolution81 said:

billymeade said:

So, the two-minute snippets, can we safely assume those are all from the infamous "sampler cassette" that Big House, Hard to Get, etc., all came from? There's supposed to be 30 songs on there, and we have what now, 10 or 12? Is this the "gem" that only a few people have, or are there any full songs travelling around? I remember T used to brag about having Cosmic Day, it's clear now that he only had the snippet.

Then again, "Adonis & Bathsheba" and "Traffic Jam" appeared in full form, so who knows! Balls.

My own hunch is that sample cassette story was bogus. This was supposed to be a tape of song samples Prince was offering to other artists, right? When did Prince ever do that, and why is it not documented anywhere?

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The currently circulating full-length 'Traffic Jam' is a reworked, more thoroughly produced take of the version that appeared earlier as a 'snippet' (which was alleged to be part of that 1988/1989-era 'shop-around' tape).

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The 'snippet' appears to be more or less that of the initial tracking; the 'overdubbed' version is perhaps something worked on later the very same day, or a few days later, prior to the initial tracking of 'When Doves Cry'.

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This earlier version, which has yet to be leaked in its full length, is immensely superior to the cacophonous, unmelodic overdubs that 'Traffic Jam' evidently later received.

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However, it is clear, from the overdubbed version, that 'Traffic Jam' served as an effective 'style prototype' for what would, with additional diligence and refinement of its basic ideas, be re-recorded as 'When Doves Cry' within a short period of time. And, needless to say, what he recorded there, with selective mixing and editing, became his biggest thing ever.

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'Love and Sex', which is rumored to be circulating now, and originates from the same period of sessions as TJ and WDC, is likely, or will likely soon be, liberated by the same source(s) as the 'Traffic Jam' initial tracking 'snippet' and final mix.

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thedance said:

I Guess I'm Crazy with Prince vocals.....


this song gets BIG LOVE from me.....

Me too - this is a gem!

Okay... I've run across a different version of Cosmic Day. I think it's the same as the one that leaked with this batch, but it's slower, timing out at 2:36. It doesn't sound as annoyingly chipmunky, and while it might lose a bit of energy... is it possible that the shorter (1:05 and 1:49) snippets are the wrong speed? Or is this longer one one (which honestly sounds more right to me) correct?

And now I'm back [Editing]: Okay, this same source has several other of the new snippets at slightly slower speeds. So... maybe they're just slowing the others down. Though it's possible, I guess, that several are sped up in the recent batch. I'm completely unsure.

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