SchlomoThaHomo said:

EddieC said:

The bolded version is the one used for the file from the download link sent to Louisville ticketholders. So I'm going with that unless there's some other official evidence at some point in the future.

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Oh, geez...please stop.

KingSausage said:

Too many bananas will do that to you.

purplethunder3121 said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

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Oh, geez...please stop.

Sorry. It's like an itch I have to scratch sometimes, this tomfoolery.

lrn36 said:

warning2all said:

SuperFurryAnimal said: The next Prince song I heard today after "The Ex's Face" was "Mountains".... Which brought it all home. Songwriting. Melody. Structure. Its like 2 different people. His music used to be much more sophisticated. I really think he's done. That's not a criticism, just a fact of life. And its OK- there's always the old albums to play. Its almost like he strives for mediocrity. And with 3rdeyegirl, plays down to their level. In any event, we are so far removed from the " Parade" level creativity/songwriting- its like an entirely different artist.

Well, music in general used to be more sospisticated and varied. Honestly, is there anyone out there now putting out music on the level of Mountains? I think we have to accept that music is in a regression stage because every idea in the pop realm has been exhausted many times over.

Its a decent track. Just Prince putting his own spin on the current sound. I just dont know what everyone expects of him now. He's done more experimenting and pushing of his sound than 99% of the artists out and people want him to push even more. Maybe he is tapped out. But telling someone like Prince to stop creating is like telling him to stop breathing.

Really good points.

A couple times on here, I've commented that i wish Prince would challenge his fams a little more than what he has been doing lately. I'm not implying that i never thought of this, but it could very well be that he is in fact "tapped out", and has lost some of his creative imagination.

With me, historically, I've viewed Prince as being this musical, superman. This person who has so much talent and creativity that they can come up with exciting, exceptional music, 99.99% of the time. For the past few years though, I've been facing the reality that Prince is getting older, and even though i do enjoy about 70% of his recent output, creative wise, he doesn't appear to be the same as he used to be.

Just a few months ago though, i realized that it really is OK if he has in fact lost a step or two. I don't know about other people but that acceptance was a self-revelation. I pretty much realised that I could either enjoy and accept the greatness(in its entirety) that is Prince, or i can take it all(no remasters, recent, lackluster output, treating former associates like redheaded stepchildren, etc.) personal, and get my draws, panties, or whatever, in a bunch.

I will say this though. I don't know what's going on with the remasters and what not, but maybe Prince revisiting that part of his life's journey, could be a good thing for him. Both personal and professional. Maybe there is a bigger plan and purpose(beyond just getting the legal ownership back)for him getting those particular masters back.


It would be such a waste to get a gift like that, and just sit on it. Ya feel me ?

Edited for a little clarity.

[Edited 3/17/15 4:56am]

JoeyC said:

lrn36 said:

Well, music in general used to be more sospisticated and varied. Honestly, is there anyone out there now putting out music on the level of Mountains? I think we have to accept that music is in a regression stage because every idea in the pop realm has been exhausted many times over.

Its a decent track. Just Prince putting his own spin on the current sound. I just dont know what everyone expects of him now. He's done more experimenting and pushing of his sound than 99% of the artists out and people want him to push even more. Maybe he is tapped out. But telling someone like Prince to stop creating is like telling him to stop breathing.

Really good points.

A couple times on here, Ive commented that i wish Prince would challenge his fams a little more than what he has been doing lately. I'm not saying that i never thought of this, but it could very well be that he is in fact "tapped out", and has lost some of his creative imagination or originality.

With me, historically, I've viewed Prince as being this musical superman, this person who has so much talent and creativity that they can make exciting, exceptional music, 99.99% of the time.

For the past few years though, I've been facing the reality that Prince is getting older and, even though, i do enjoy about 70% of his recent output, creative wise, he doesn't appear to be the same as he used to be.

Just a few months ago though, i realized that it really is OK if he has in fact lost a step or two. I don't know about other people but that acceptance was a self-revelation. I pretty much realise that I could either enjoy and accept the greatness(in its entirety) that is Prince, or i can take it all(no remasters, recent, lackluster output, treating former associates like redheaded stepchildren, etc.) personal, and get my draws, panties, or whatever, in a bunch.

I will say this though. I don't know what's going on with the remasters and what not, but maybe Prince revisiting that part of his life's journey, could be a good thing for him. Both personal and professional. Maybe there is a bigger plan and purpose(beyond just getting the legal ownership back)for him getting those particular masters back.


It would be such a waste to get a gift like that and just sit on it. Ya feel me ?

[Edited 3/17/15 0:06am]

I guess when someone is so intent on not repeating the past and always striving forward, at some point you will get to a crossroads where there is no where else to go. The talents have done everything they can do. Im not saying Prince's well is dry, but he doesnt have much room left for anything new because he has done so much already. Perhaps that is why he has a lot more misses these days because he is so intent on not looking backward, he has left himself with very little left to work with that he hasnt done before. Even his so called retro albums (MPLSound and 20Ten) had to be different and not sound like his former self. I think Condensate is the perfect example of being true to your past in the modern day. Rather than being afraid of what they sounded like in the past, the Time embraced it and produced (to me anyway) a great album that was both retro and relevant to the time period. But it seems Prince isnt ready to do anything like that.... Not yet anyway.

Having said all that, I think Prince still has space to go and explore yet. AOA is testament to that.

I like the Ex's Face. Hopefully it is confirmation that Prince has not given up on the AOA direction and is still prepared to see where it takes him (and Josh. Lets not forget Josh's hand in this too).

feeluupp said:

... Yet u still listen... You still listen, to every new release, album and single... You still listen...

BartVanHemelen said:

This sounds like Joshua took the vocal of an existing track -- one that seems to have been composed on the spot, considering the trite lyrics and uninspired melody; it really has that "this will do" feel so much of Prince's output of the past decade has -- and combined it with a beat he bought from someone else.

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Pointless and desperate.

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You do realise there is absolutely no logic to your statement, right?

KingSausage said:

I'll take either What If or X's Face over other recent non-album radio singles. Rich Friends, Hot Summer, Cause & Effect, Turn Me Loose, etc. But Vavoom is the shit. Yes, that's 15 years old. But as far as (at least initally) radio releases to, it's a better song than any of these others.

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Note that the original version of "Vavoom" he gave to the radio station (and which T obtained on a CDR) is slightly different from the released version (and IMHO better), even though this isn't mentioned on Princevault.

BartVanHemelen said:

KingSausage said:

I'll take either What If or X's Face over other recent non-album radio singles. Rich Friends, Hot Summer, Cause & Effect, Turn Me Loose, etc. But Vavoom is the shit. Yes, that's 15 years old. But as far as (at least initally) radio releases to, it's a better song than any of these others.

I like Rich Friends, Cause & Effect and Turn Me Loose.. TML to me is one of the best things he's (not) released in the past 10 years. Vavoom on the other hand I don't think I've listened to it since I first heard it. There was nothing redeemable about it. After listening to X's face a few times its started to grow on me slightly, but its still not a fave of mine. What if is more my vibe.

lezama said:

KingSausage said:

I'll take either What If or X's Face over other recent non-album radio singles. Rich Friends, Hot Summer, Cause & Effect, Turn Me Loose, etc. But Vavoom is the shit. Yes, that's 15 years old. But as far as (at least initally) radio releases to, it's a better song than any of these others.

I like Rich Friends, Cause & Effect and Turn Me Loose.. TML to me is one of the best things he's (not) released in the past 10 years. Vavoom on the other hand I don't think I've listened to it since I first heard it. There was nothing redeemable about it. After listening to X's face a few times its started to grow on me slightly, but its still not a fave of mine. What if is more my vibe.

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KingSausage said:

Vavoom sounds great live. Prince tore it up on guitar.

Was this at the PP show that year?

lezama said:

lrn36 said:

warning2all said:

Mountains was awesome

Well, music in general used to be more sospisticated and varied. Honestly, is there anyone out there now putting out music on the level of Mountains? I think we have to accept that music is in a regression stage because every idea in the pop realm has been exhausted many times over.

Not really. Every generation says that about the music that preceded theirs. "Kids these days" and all that. I mean, look at the bullshit that was popular in the 70's. For every "Superstition", "It's Only Rock N Roll", "Flashlight" and "Stairway to Heaven" you had a "Disco Duck", a "Kung Fu Fighting" and a "Muskrat Love", and those latter songs usually owned the radio.

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In the 80's, for every "When Doves Cry", "Every Breath You Take" or "Pride (In the Name of Love)", you had a "Stars on 45 Medley", a "Physical", or a "Flashdance".

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In the 90's, for every "Jeremy", "Smells Like Teen Spirit" or "Give it Away", you had "Macarena", "Achey Breaky Heart" or "Ice, Ice, Baby". Brian Adams. Ace of Base. There was a lot of shit getting in the way of good stuff.

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Even in the 60's, where eveyone says rock/pop peaked, you had the Archies "Sugar, Sugar", the Monkees "I'm a Believer" and "Hello Dolly" in the top 20 most popluar songs of the decade.

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I think it's telling that most remember MJ, Bon Jovi, Billy Joel, Madonna, The Police and U2 as defining the 80's but put Prince in an almost separate category. Music today is as good as it's ever been. I think we're just gettin old, y'all.

herb4 said:

lrn36 said:

Well, music in general used to be more sospisticated and varied. Honestly, is there anyone out there now putting out music on the level of Mountains? I think we have to accept that music is in a regression stage because every idea in the pop realm has been exhausted many times over.

Not really. Every generation says that about the music that preceded theirs. "Kids these days" and all that. I mean, look at the bullshit that was popular in the 70's. For every "Superstition", "It's Only Rock N Roll", "Flashlight" and "Stairway to Heaven" you had a "Disco Duck", a "Kung Fu Fighting" and a "Muskrat Love", and those latter songs usually owned the radio.

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In the 80's, for every "When Doves Cry", "Every Breath You Take" or "Pride (In the Name of Love)", you had a "Stars on 45 Medley", a "Physical", or a "Flashdance".

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In the 90's, for every "Jeremy", "Smells Like Teen Spirit" or "Give it Away", you had "Macarena", "Achey Breaky Heart" or "Ice, Ice, Baby". Brian Adams. Ace of Base. There was a lot of shit getting in the way of good stuff.

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Even in the 60's, where eveyone says rock/pop peaked, you had the Archies "Sugar, Sugar", the Monkees "I'm a Believer" and "Hello Dolly" in the top 20 most popluar songs of the decade.

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I think it's telling that most remember MJ, Bon Jovi, Billy Joel, Madonna, The Police and U2 as defining the 80's but put Prince in an almost separate category. Music today is as good as it's ever been. I think we're just gettin old, y'all.

I must say...very well said and so very true. (except for the getting old part! Age aint nuthin but a number )

herb4 said:

lrn36 said:

Well, music in general used to be more sospisticated and varied. Honestly, is there anyone out there now putting out music on the level of Mountains? I think we have to accept that music is in a regression stage because every idea in the pop realm has been exhausted many times over.

Music today is as good as it's ever been. I think we're just gettin old, y'all.

I'll have 2 agree.......but u have 2 search for it.

I have a LOT of good new music, but I have 2 comb thru a lot of junk 2 get to it.

It seems like that wasn't the case years ago. I spend a time going through cd's to find the good stuff, but it is there.

2020 said:

herb4 said:

We're gettin old

I must say...very well said and so very true. (except for the getting old part! Age aint nuthin but a number )

Music is for the young. Teenagers and young adults. As you get older, you have less time for it and start to wax nostailgic for the "good ole' days" when "music was music". My parents weren't wise to Prince back when I was queing up and cutting school/work to purchase SOTT, Parade, Lovesexy and even Batman, D&P or GB for that matter. They were listening to the same stuff that they cared about in thier hey day and when the age I was at that time, still complaining about how music aint what it used to be.

Graycap23 said:

herb4 said:

Music today is as good as it's ever been. I think we're just gettin old, y'all.

I'll have 2 agree.......but u have 2 search for it.

I have a LOT of good new music, but I have 2 comb thru a lot of junk 2 get to it.

It seems like that wasn't the case years ago. I spend a time going through cd's to find the good stuff, but it is there.

It was the same way then. I had to dig really hard for a lot of the shit I found. MTV was surprsingly a good source. I discovered Fishbone, Love and Rockets, the Red Hot Chille Peppers adn a whole lot of shit I wouldn;t have found otherwise. I remember the first time I showed my stepmother the "1999" and "Little Red Corvette" videos, she said "Who does this guy think he is, Michael Jackson?" Generation gap. "Music aint what it used to be". etc.

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It's just generational but you may be right though. The "digging" part has become harder insome ways. But in other ways it's easier because of the internet/Pandora and what have you.

m33kn3ss said:

laurarichardson said:

m33kn3ss said:

I follow some Prince fan Twitter accounts and heard the song last night on Twitter. I think it was a UK Prince fan Twitter account. It sounded more computerized and not like a typical Prince quality song. I wonder who this song is about. The fact that he threw in the chasing a banana and he sounded pretty passionate about it makes me think he wrote this song about someone who upset him, but I don't know since I only heard it once. Any thoughts?

----- I think this song is about Andy Allo and I think some of the AOA songs are about her as well.

If it is about her thats interesting. I was trying to decipher what he could be referring to by letting a monkey take a banana and get back in their cage. As in he let someone take what they wanted from him and he let them go back to their world.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

jjazznola said:

Mountains is one of my absolute favorite songs of his, especially the 12" version. He hasn't put out anything even close to being that good in at least 20 years. Sad but true.

That is a TOTAL LIE! STOP living in the past or just close your account, & follow a BORING non talented artist.. The hate here is just unbearable & unnecessary...

The "hate" here is just unbearable? Grow up and stop using that chilish term. A lie? It's called an opinion. We all have them. Go ahead, name one single song as good as Mountains from the last 20 years. There are none.

jjazznola said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

That is a TOTAL LIE! STOP living in the past or just close your account, & follow a BORING non talented artist.. The hate here is just unbearable & unnecessary...

The "hate" here is just unbearable? Grow up and stop using that chilish term. A lie? It's called an opinion. We all have them. Go ahead, name one single song as good as Mountains from the last 20 years. There are none.

You're very, very sad if you think there hasn't been a better song than Mountains in the past 20 years. In fact, there are TONS. I suggest you go follow another artist. For real.

Marco81 said:

jjazznola said:

The "hate" here is just unbearable? Grow up and stop using that chilish term. A lie? It's called an opinion. We all have them. Go ahead, name one single song as good as Mountains from the last 20 years. There are none.

You're very, very sad if you think there hasn't been a better song than Mountains in the past 20 years. In fact, there are TONS. I suggest you go follow another artist. For real.

You cannot measure the quantity of songs using a measurement of weight. A song does not weigh anything. Please appropriate the correct unit of measurement when trying to quantify the number of songs, large or small, of which you factually speak.

Also, please can you show me where you got the "fact" that there are many [heavy] songs better than Mountains written in the past 20 years? I would like access to your source because I really need to prove to the org that the best Prince album is Lovesexy. Unfortunately too many opinions keep getting in the way.

And lastly, I can imagine how difficult it must be to seperate what you say for real, and what the voices in your head make you think you say. Saying "for real" at the end of a statement probably enables you to differentiate between speaking in the real world and speaking to the green ducks in noo noo land. When you grow up and start speaking like grown ups do, it will get easier for you. In time you will be able to say something and not feel the need to inform the org that you have actually, really, just said something "for real". Even if what you say is complete and utter garbage, which it undoubtedly will be. How amazing is that going to be for you? Now, isnt it time you fed your ducks?

tl;dr

Grow up....

Rebeljuice said:

Marco81 said:

You're very, very sad if you think there hasn't been a better song than Mountains in the past 20 years. In fact, there are TONS. I suggest you go follow another artist. For real.

You cannot measure the quantity of songs using a measurement of weight. A song does not weigh anything. Please appropriate the correct unit of measurement when trying to quantify the number of songs, large or small, of which you factually speak.

Also, please can you show me where you got the "fact" that there are many [heavy] songs better than Mountains written in the past 20 years? I would like access to your source because I really need to prove to the org that the best Prince album is Lovesexy. Unfortunately too many opinions keep getting in the way.

And lastly, I can imagine how difficult it must be to seperate what you say for real, and what the voices in your head make you think you say. Saying "for real" at the end of a statement probably enables you to differentiate between speaking in the real world and speaking to the green ducks in noo noo land. When you grow up and start speaking like grown ups do, it will get easier for you. In time you will be able to say something and not feel the need to inform the org that you have actually, really, just said something "for real". Even if what you say is complete and utter garbage, which it undoubtedly will be. How amazing is that going to be for you? Now, isnt it time you fed your ducks?

tl;dr

Grow up....

Hahaha oh my God, priceless. Some people have so much time in their hands to write all this shit.

Marco81 said:

Rebeljuice said:

I've heard the song twice now. I feel if Prince wants to go into this dark digital (sounding) realm then the lyrics and vocals of the song also need to be dark. It's apparently about a breakup, but it's poppy, almost upbeat (even when he's singing about tears) and then ends with the banana lyrics and monkey sounds. That banana/monkey reference seems like a deeply inside joke, but maybe one that could've been conveyed with some clever wordplay or even digitize/alter the monkey voices so it's there but not super-obvious.

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The sound I'd hope for in a song like this would be haunting. Like Power Fantastic, The Grand Progression, or hell - even as dark as Had U. Make me scared to listen to it, but make me want to keep listening to it . . .

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This feels basically like a "sketch" that I don't feel should've been made public.