fnksoul said:

love2thenines2003 said:

This is sad that someone in thé know can’t share some hopes about this project...I consider now that the project has been cancelled for good...what a shame!

How can you consider it cancelled? No dates have Ever been specified

'no dates' is not an argument it is a complaint for providing not enough clarity on a timeline.

and they have 6 or 7 months still to fall within the anniversary.

How far do you want to stretch this?

They had 30 years to see this coming.

Anything released in 2015 does notcompare well with 1984 plus 30.

Until a press release comes out dont jump to comclusions

We're just speculating.

3 Albums in the space or 4 months or something that to many would be considered over flooding.

So this deal of old stuff means no new Prince material for the next few years as we're back to the old WB days of one release per year.

Let's see how soon mr P gets enough of that.

udo said:

fnksoul said:

We're just speculating.

3 Albums in the space or 4 months or something that to many would be considered over flooding.

So this deal of old stuff means no new Prince material for the next few years as we're back to the old WB days of one release per year.

Let's see how soon mr P gets enough of that.

Just getting a bit painful all the same speculation isnt it? Do wish they would put a timescale out but does seem that they dont have a timescale when it comes to working with Prince.

Prince is probabaly holding it back in some way (Like he has with the Vinyls for AOA and PE) and playing hard ball with things, I'd guess if he has it his way we will get the same tracks and no addiitonal content. Or they could be Digitally remastering the Movie to release at the same time for Blu-ray or something which takes time? Why do half a job and just do the CD when they can cash in on the Movie at the same time makes complete business sense? It all takes time, the deal was only announced a few months before the actual Anniversary giving them Minimal time to sort out much.

You can pretty much gaurentee it's Prince's doing what ever the hold up is, him wanting his new material out first before even sitting down and thinking about Purple Rain, he's said before even quite recent that he isnt bothered about the past and doesnt look back. I actually wouldnt even be surprised if he is trying to get them to put out the NPG album before he works on PR.

And its not back to the Old WB way of 1 release per year, that is Standard for every label and artist. Plus he isnt a multimillion selling Artist anymore so they wouldnt be able justify more than 1 release per year anyway surely?

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fnksoul said:

Just getting a bit painful all the same speculation isnt it?

You forgot his previous CONtract at WB.

Do wish they would put a timescale out but does seem that they dont have a timescale when it comes to working with Prince.

You asume a lack of policy, a lack of planning here.

Or they could be Digitally remastering the Movie to release at the same time for Blu-ray or something which takes time? Why do half a job and just do the CD when they can cash in on the Movie at the same time makes complete business sense? It all takes time, the deal was only announced a few months before the actual Anniversary giving them Minimal time to sort out much.

You assume they did not yet digitise the movie years ago to preserve it.

You assume it takes months to make such a product.

You assume WB has no calendar in their office to plan ahead.

You can pretty much gaurentee it's Prince's doing what ever the hold up is, him wanting his new material out first before even sitting down and thinking about Purple Rain, he's said before even quite recent that he isnt bothered about the past and doesnt look back.

Hold it there.

Does he look beyond AOA and PE and then PR you try to say?

I not not hink so.

Mr abort-my-project does not know what he will be doing 5 minutes from now.

I actually wouldnt even be surprised if he is trying to get them to put out the NPG album before he works on PR.

Which NPG album do you mean? The GoldNigga remaster?

And its not back to the Old WB way of 1 release per year,

What makes you belive that WB does not want to maximise their profits?

that is Standard for every label and artist. Plus he isnt a multimillion selling Artist anymore so they wouldnt be able justify more than 1 release per year anyway surely?

I smell hopium.

udo said:

Technically it coCanceleuld still be a 2014 release.

And if we're looking at 30 years, what difference do a few months make?

P does not count time anyways...

PURPLE RAIN Anniversary completely lost his momentum. It's obvious that WB completely lost interest in the reissue, and you know what Prince think of it. Now, they just want to get rid of Prince, because the double release (AOA PE) was embarassing for both parts.

If WB put money on PR reissue, they would need help from Prince to promote it. From the sources we've had in the past few months, WB wanted it to be a huge release, with a tour, tv spots, tv performance, etc.

That is nonsense that the 2014 year is passing without a reissue, with the contract they signed, and the announcement in the media.

Wb is in a deadend now with prince, they surely lost money on AOA and PE (because Prince surely received an advance for the contract) and they understood they will surely lose money on the PR reissue as well.

Prince's catalogue sales are very, very weak. Even PR, and his best ofs doesn't sell anymore. He upset too many people. A strong fanbase has now vanished for good.

Prince can only blame on himself. He should have been released the remasters on 2004, when MUSICOLOGY was at his peak, and when the CDs sold well. then, from 2005, put his video on youtube.

RODSERLING said:

udo said:

Technically it coCanceleuld still be a 2014 release.

And if we're looking at 30 years, what difference do a few months make?

P does not count time anyways...

PURPLE RAIN Anniversary completely lost his momentum. It's obvious that WB completely lost interest in the reissue, and you know what Prince think of it. Now, they just want to get rid of Prince, because the double release (AOA PE) was embarassing for both parts.

If WB put money on PR reissue, they would need help from Prince to promote it. From the sources we've had in the past few months, WB wanted it to be a huge release, with a tour, tv spots, tv performance, etc.

That is nonsense that the 2014 year is passing without a reissue, with the contract they signed, and the announcement in the media.

Wb is in a deadend now with prince, they surely lost money on AOA and PE (because Prince surely received an advance for the contract) and they understood they will surely lose money on the PR reissue as well.

Prince's catalogue sales are very, very weak. Even PR, and his best ofs doesn't sell anymore. He upset too many people. A strong fanbase has now vanished for good.

Prince can only blame on himself. He should have been released the remasters on 2004, when MUSICOLOGY was at his peak, and when the CDs sold well. then, from 2005, put his video on youtube.

Warner brothers will have known full well the albums wouldnt make money he hasnt sold big numbers since the first time he was with them and damn well isnt going to now (Hence very little money put into promotion) he's not relevant to the general puplic, hardly any artists make money from the albums these days which is why they constantly tour.

What he does make money from is touring, selling out arenas, the albums give him some new material to tour which is his biggest selling point to them.

Warner have already said Tour Info is coming soon, Ida mentioned a long tour in the album lauch thing.

Think about it 2-3 shows for 15-20k would bring in more revenue than the record sales currently will have its a no brainer for them to have him on the label and be behind a tour.

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udo said:

They had 30 years to see this coming.

Anything released in 2015 does notcompare well with 1984 plus 30.

That's a ludicrous statement, to my ears. Why is 30 such a magic number? Why would a PR reissue in, say, Spring of 2015 "not compare" well with one released in December 2014?

Who would seriously think, "Well, I would have really enjoyed these tracks if they had coincided with the 30th anniversary of PR, but since they're a few months late I can't be arsed?"

Especially if the longer wait means a better product?

I think you can take the question mark off the thread title.

dustoff said:

udo said:

They had 30 years to see this coming.

Anything released in 2015 does notcompare well with 1984 plus 30.

That's a ludicrous statement, to my ears. Why is 30 such a magic number? Why would a PR reissue in, say, Spring of 2015 "not compare" well with one released in December 2014?

Who would seriously think, "Well, I would have really enjoyed these tracks if they had coincided with the 30th anniversary of PR, but since they're a few months late I can't be arsed?"

Especially if the longer wait means a better product?

Spot on, people just being negative for the sake of being negative.

Couldnt imagine myself having a mentality that a delay on a record would actually make me think anything less of it

fnksoul said:

dustoff said:

udo said:

That's a ludicrous statement, to my ears. Why is 30 such a magic number? Why would a PR reissue in, say, Spring of 2015 "not compare" well with one released in December 2014?

Who would seriously think, "Well, I would have really enjoyed these tracks if they had coincided with the 30th anniversary of PR, but since they're a few months late I can't be arsed?"

Especially if the longer wait means a better product?

Spot on, people just being negative for the sake of being negative.

Couldnt imagine myself having a mentality that a delay on a record would actually make me think anything less of it

.

I mean I'm as excited as everyone else, but things like release dates and chart rankings seem totally at odds with why I personally give a shit about Prince's music (which is to me timeless and has nothing to do with popularity).

.

The 30th Anniversary of PR is just a selling point, it doesn't enhance the music in any way. Who cares when it comes out (I do - soon I hope), and who cares if it sells. All I care about is what comes through the speakers, and what gets played at my friends' parties (and if no one else plays it, I will. And they'll like it, they always do.) Prince doesn't need anymore wanna-be marketers, he probably has too many already.

Maybe....just maybe,it's being delayed so they can add more stuff to it and make it really special they might surprise us and add the Syracuse concert (DVD) to the set!

You never know....

dustoff said:

udo said:

They had 30 years to see this coming.

Anything released in 2015 does notcompare well with 1984 plus 30.

That's a ludicrous statement, to my ears. Why is 30 such a magic number? Why would a PR reissue in, say, Spring of 2015 "not compare" well with one released in December 2014?

Who would seriously think, "Well, I would have really enjoyed these tracks if they had coincided with the 30th anniversary of PR, but since they're a few months late I can't be arsed?"

Especially if the longer wait means a better product?

It's just that the notion of the "30th anniversary" generates automatically more buzz in the media. The fans just want Prince to be more recognized for his work. Sure, a large number of people do recognize that Prince did some of the best music of the 1980s, but the praise is not as universal as the praise is for The Beatles, Pink Floyd or Bowie for their best work. Millions of people love Purple Rain, but millions are also under the illusion that it's just some sort of cheesy soundtrack music to an 80s teen movie.

dustoff said:

udo said:

They had 30 years to see this coming.

Anything released in 2015 does notcompare well with 1984 plus 30.

That's a ludicrous statement, to my ears. Why is 30 such a magic number? Why would a PR reissue in, say, Spring of 2015 "not compare" well with one released in December 2014?

Who would seriously think, "Well, I would have really enjoyed these tracks if they had coincided with the 30th anniversary of PR, but since they're a few months late I can't be arsed?"

Especially if the longer wait means a better product?

Why then the hoopla about this deal?

I did not invent 30. I just want him to stop playing the hits at every show.

He can rerelease stuff at any time but simply not call it a 30 year anniversary remaster special package or whatever.

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A longer wait does not mean a better product, that is true for anything that mr Prince does.

RodeoSchro said:

I think you can take the question mark off the thread title.

I guess you are right about that...

Damn.........

udo said:

dustoff said:

udo said:

That's a ludicrous statement, to my ears. Why is 30 such a magic number? Why would a PR reissue in, say, Spring of 2015 "not compare" well with one released in December 2014?

Who would seriously think, "Well, I would have really enjoyed these tracks if they had coincided with the 30th anniversary of PR, but since they're a few months late I can't be arsed?"

Especially if the longer wait means a better product?

Why then the hoopla about this deal?

I did not invent 30. I just want him to stop playing the hits at every show.

He can rerelease stuff at any time but simply not call it a 30 year anniversary remaster special package or whatever.

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A longer wait does not mean a better product, that is true for anything that mr Prince does.

As far as Prince is bothered he wouldnt re-release anything if he didnt have to, it was the small price he paid for getting what he wanted. If he can delay it he will do no doubt about that IMO.

But weather its released now or Feb the fact is it still falls withing the Anniversary year and can be classed as that. If your 6 months older than 30 you wouldnt tell people you are 30 years 6 months old?

The only way to generate a buzz was to release it this year. Period. It was announces for 2014. All the material is ready to be used. The deal didn't even included video, so there is no delay at all for production of the reissue.

Every specialized music magazine in every media already celebrated the 30th anniversary.

Even the single PURPLE RAIn was released on september 1984, and peaked on november.

It's over.

Those very naive or egocentric people who thinks sales and figures doesn't matter, should think about other people than themselves : if the PR re-release doesn't sell, there won't be anymore reissue. Mathematics.

AOA and PLEC were huge flop, they were released a month ago, and they are already out of charts everywhere in the world. Even the first week proved the strong fanbase of Prince disappeared.

Had they released PR before AOA and PE, with Prince playing the game it would have been a huge revival for prince's carreer, similar to THRILLER 25 with MJ.

But now that Prince fucked up his carreer for the twentieth time, once for good, WB doesn't want to waste money on this anymore.

It's all understandable frankly, if I were to make money, I wouldn' make business with Prince. This guy is way to busy to fuck up his carreer, to screw every music major, and to laugh at his fans.

RODSERLING said:

The only way to generate a buzz was to release it this year. Period. It was announces for 2014. All the material is ready to be used. The deal didn't even included video, so there is no delay at all for production of the reissue.

Every specialized music magazine in every media already celebrated the 30th anniversary.

Even the single PURPLE RAIn was released on september 1984, and peaked on november.

It's over.

Those very naive or egocentric people who thinks sales and figures doesn't matter, should think about other people than themselves : if the PR re-release doesn't sell, there won't be anymore reissue. Mathematics.

AOA and PLEC were huge flop, they were released a month ago, and they are already out of charts everywhere in the world. Even the first week proved the strong fanbase of Prince disappeared.

Had they released PR before AOA and PE, with Prince playing the game it would have been a huge revival for prince's carreer, similar to THRILLER 25 with MJ.

But now that Prince fucked up his carreer for the twentieth time, once for good, WB doesn't want to waste money on this anymore.

It's all understandable frankly, if I were to make money, I wouldn' make business with Prince. This guy is way to busy to fuck up his carreer, to screw every music major, and to laugh at his fans.

.

Good grief. It's all doomsday with you people, all the time.

RODSERLING said:

The only way to generate a buzz was to release it this year. Period. It was announces for 2014. All the material is ready to be used. The deal didn't even included video, so there is no delay at all for production of the reissue.

Every specialized music magazine in every media already celebrated the 30th anniversary.

Even the single PURPLE RAIn was released on september 1984, and peaked on november.

It's over.

Those very naive or egocentric people who thinks sales and figures doesn't matter, should think about other people than themselves : if the PR re-release doesn't sell, there won't be anymore reissue. Mathematics.

AOA and PLEC were huge flop, they were released a month ago, and they are already out of charts everywhere in the world. Even the first week proved the strong fanbase of Prince disappeared.

Had they released PR before AOA and PE, with Prince playing the game it would have been a huge revival for prince's carreer, similar to THRILLER 25 with MJ.

But now that Prince fucked up his carreer for the twentieth time, once for good, WB doesn't want to waste money on this anymore.

It's all understandable frankly, if I were to make money, I wouldn' make business with Prince. This guy is way to busy to fuck up his carreer, to screw every music major, and to laugh at his fans.

... Then why are u still a Prince fan??

RODSERLING said:

The only way to generate a buzz was to release it this year. Period. It was announces for 2014. All the material is ready to be used. The deal didn't even included video, so there is no delay at all for production of the reissue.

Every specialized music magazine in every media already celebrated the 30th anniversary.

Even the single PURPLE RAIn was released on september 1984, and peaked on november.

It's over.

Those very naive or egocentric people who thinks sales and figures doesn't matter, should think about other people than themselves : if the PR re-release doesn't sell, there won't be anymore reissue. Mathematics.

AOA and PLEC were huge flop, they were released a month ago, and they are already out of charts everywhere in the world. Even the first week proved the strong fanbase of Prince disappeared.

Had they released PR before AOA and PE, with Prince playing the game it would have been a huge revival for prince's carreer, similar to THRILLER 25 with MJ.

But now that Prince fucked up his carreer for the twentieth time, once for good, WB doesn't want to waste money on this anymore.

It's all understandable frankly, if I were to make money, I wouldn' make business with Prince. This guy is way to busy to fuck up his carreer, to screw every music major, and to laugh at his fans.

^ I agree with all you just wrote there...

RODSERLING said:

The only way to generate a buzz was to release it this year. Period. It was announces for 2014. All the material is ready to be used. The deal didn't even included video, so there is no delay at all for production of the reissue.

Every specialized music magazine in every media already celebrated the 30th anniversary.

Even the single PURPLE RAIn was released on september 1984, and peaked on november.

It's over.

Those very naive or egocentric people who thinks sales and figures doesn't matter, should think about other people than themselves : if the PR re-release doesn't sell, there won't be anymore reissue. Mathematics.

AOA and PLEC were huge flop, they were released a month ago, and they are already out of charts everywhere in the world. Even the first week proved the strong fanbase of Prince disappeared.

Had they released PR before AOA and PE, with Prince playing the game it would have been a huge revival for prince's carreer, similar to THRILLER 25 with MJ.

But now that Prince fucked up his carreer for the twentieth time, once for good, WB doesn't want to waste money on this anymore.

It's all understandable frankly, if I were to make money, I wouldn' make business with Prince. This guy is way to busy to fuck up his carreer, to screw every music major, and to laugh at his fans.

Maybe generate a buzz around us Fans that actually know about it, not the general public, there is only us Fans that actually care, and if you look at the weak sales figures on for his latest offerings. The sales to the Fans dont count for too much, atleast not to Warner, it will be released when and only when its right for them to maximize revenue.

Yes Christmas may have been their best operetunity, but for what ever reasons this looks like it will be missed until the next best selling point.

If people believe this the delay is all down to Warner brothers they should really think again, if they could have got it out for Xmas im almost certain they would have as its the ideal time for them to do anything like this.

Prince will be holding this up some how - Maybe to damage sales as a way of getting back at them? or he insisted they release AOA & PE first?

I think these threads about PR should be banned untill we have something firm to discuss

fnksoul said:

RODSERLING said:

The only way to generate a buzz was to release it this year. Period. It was announces for 2014. All the material is ready to be used. The deal didn't even included video, so there is no delay at all for production of the reissue.

Every specialized music magazine in every media already celebrated the 30th anniversary.

Even the single PURPLE RAIn was released on september 1984, and peaked on november.

It's over.

Those very naive or egocentric people who thinks sales and figures doesn't matter, should think about other people than themselves : if the PR re-release doesn't sell, there won't be anymore reissue. Mathematics.

AOA and PLEC were huge flop, they were released a month ago, and they are already out of charts everywhere in the world. Even the first week proved the strong fanbase of Prince disappeared.

Had they released PR before AOA and PE, with Prince playing the game it would have been a huge revival for prince's carreer, similar to THRILLER 25 with MJ.

But now that Prince fucked up his carreer for the twentieth time, once for good, WB doesn't want to waste money on this anymore.

It's all understandable frankly, if I were to make money, I wouldn' make business with Prince. This guy is way to busy to fuck up his carreer, to screw every music major, and to laugh at his fans.

Maybe generate a buzz around us Fans that actually know about it, not the general public, there is only us Fans that actually care, and if you look at the weak sales figures on for his latest offerings. The sales to the Fans dont count for too much, atleast not to Warner, it will be released when and only when its right for them to maximize revenue.

Yes Christmas may have been their best operetunity, but for what ever reasons this looks like it will be missed until the next best selling point.

If people believe this the delay is all down to Warner brothers they should really think again, if they could have got it out for Xmas im almost certain they would have as its the ideal time for them to do anything like this.

Prince will be holding this up some how - Maybe to damage sales as a way of getting back at them? or he insisted they release AOA & PE first?

I think these threads about PR should be banned untill we have something firm to discuss

Of course it's Prince who wanted to release AOA and PE first. Why would WB take such a commercial risk ?

PR is one of the 20 best selling album of all time in the USA, it would have been more like the reissue of the Beatles in 2009 + there would have been unreleased stuff...It could have been easily a gold record, with Prince playing the game.

Bryan Adams released his new album around 3 weeks ago , then only this week the 30 year old remastered version of Reckless was released .

A 4 disc set featuring the 2014 remaster with bonus tracks and a live concert from Hammersmith Odeon concert, a DVD of 1984’s mini Reckless Movie and a Hi-Definition Blu ray audio only of the 2014 remaster and bonus tracks with a 5.1 mix of the original album. All housed inside a hardcover book featuring never before seen historical photos from the studio, photos of Bryan, a conversation piece between Bryan and his co-writer Jim Vallance, a technical interview with legendary mastering engineer Bob Ludwig as well as sleevenotes lyrics, work sheets, paperwork, notes and much more.

Yes a 4 disc set , Oasis also released What's the story morning glory Alongside the remastered album, the Special Edition includes two CD's of all the B-sides plus rare and unreleased Oasis tracks from the Morning Glory era.

These are just two examples of how it's meant to be done and give the fans what they want.

fnksoul said:

As far as Prince is bothered he wouldnt re-release anything if he didnt have to, it was the small price he paid for getting what he wanted. If he can delay it he will do no doubt about that IMO.

So now he has control, what will he do with them aside for what WB might be doing with them?

You assume it is to be nothing.

But weather its released now or Feb the fact is it still falls withing the Anniversary year and can be classed as that. If your 6 months older than 30 you wouldnt tell people you are 30 years 6 months old?

Do you celebrate your birthday 6 months past the actual date?

They had plenty of time and now they need to wait for 35 if you believe in lustra.

love2thenines2003 said:

An insider source said that the WB / Prince Reissues Deal is dead for good....so?

Prince got what he wanted: his master recordings and the release of two new albums.Now he needs to deliver what he promised: a remastered Purple Rain set! He's got a long history of backing out of deals that he signed,let's hope this isn't a repeat of past behavior.

dodgydicko said:

Bryan Adams released his new album around 3 weeks ago , then only this week the 30 year old remastered version of Reckless was released .

A 4 disc set featuring the 2014 remaster with bonus tracks and a live concert from Hammersmith Odeon concert, a DVD of 1984’s mini Reckless Movie and a Hi-Definition Blu ray audio only of the 2014 remaster and bonus tracks with a 5.1 mix of the original album. All housed inside a hardcover book featuring never before seen historical photos from the studio, photos of Bryan, a conversation piece between Bryan and his co-writer Jim Vallance, a technical interview with legendary mastering engineer Bob Ludwig as well as sleevenotes lyrics, work sheets, paperwork, notes and much more.

Yes a 4 disc set , Oasis also released What's the story morning glory Alongside the remastered album, the Special Edition includes two CD's of all the B-sides plus rare and unreleased Oasis tracks from the Morning Glory era.

These are just two examples of how it's meant to be done and give the fans what they want.

Practically all of my other favorite artists have had their entire catalogs remastered/reissued by now.It's a damn shame that it's taking so long for Prince to do this.

S3V3N said:

What does Prince need to do, exactly, to support PR30? Seems like remastering is mostly studio tech work. That's WB's effort, right? WB just needs Prince to show up and do retro themed appearances to move some units. But he made it clear to fans and former associates he isn't looking back. FDeluxe and The Revolution have shared some of those insights, directly, at their own reunion shows. Prince has been getting word out and managing expectations for at least three years now. Seems like anybody who winds up disappointed hasn't been listening.

I wonder Why....WB have signed this Deal with Prince ...just to loose some Money & Time for peanuts????

SoulAlive said:

Now he needs to deliver what he promised: a remastered Purple Rain set!

Dream on.

If he can live without the money that could be generated from such a release he will not do such a release.

P does not live in the past yet he plays all the hits all the time and yet he will not do proper remasters.