he does seem to copy his balads over and over again these last years.

though "Te Amo Corazon" was a nice break from that pattern and i do

wish he would copy that song a few more times.

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i know many people truly hate "all the midnights in the world" but that

is another example of me being happy that he just did something that

was different for him. or at leat different enough to make it interesting.

i love that song.

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i don't even mind the 'plastic' production. it fits a lot of his songs and

i like them just fine that way. it's just that when songs start to sound

too similar or 'i've heard this before' or the lyrics are so bland, that it

gets kinda boring.

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if he'd get himself some new, more updated electronic kit in one of his

studios and write some deeper/more personal lyrics (he's a middle

aged man with lots of life experience who proved in the past he can

write good lyrics, so he should have become better, not regressed,

so it seems a choice to just write there weird 'empty' lyrics again and

again) i think his compositions would shine a lot more.

djThunderfunk said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

But U knew what race KOOL MO DEE is! U knew he was a black rapper & U know it....

Don't try to act dumbfounded now! To me that is a racist remark...

My NAME is!!

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Now back on topic of 's snippet preview.....

But... now see if you can follow me here: He doesn't know (or care) what race you are. He's not making fun of your race (or Kool Moe Dee's for that matter).

If that wasn't clear enough for you, he explained: He's making fun of your NAME. Exactly as he made fun of Bart's NAME.

If you think this is about race, then guess what... YOU ARE A RACIST!

Now, you might not be, in fact, I'd guess you probably are not.

But, if you're turning this into a race thing, and/or think that his clever little name game is racist, then I would be wrong and you would in fact be a racist.

Get it? Probably not, because you are nutty...

Who asked U? This has absolutely NOTHING to do with U! Your opinion means NOTHING to me at all.

Its just an excuse for U to bait & troll....

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

luvsexy4all said:

WB is playin games...

Let me guess, WB is not letting Prince take a piss on the remasters by editing out songs like "Head" "Sister" "Darlin' Nikki" "Scarlett Pussy", etc. So the heel clicking and walking out was his showing WB how can move the dangling carrot, for the umpteenth thousandth time and not give the people that have supported him all these fucking years, what we really want? Oh for crying out loud. I am so sick of this childish shit that at this point, he can keep it! I'd rather have the songs the they were originally done, than some watered down, filtered, mock up to suit his whimsy.

Stop making shit up. You have no idea what is going on with WB and Prince.

djThunderfunk said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

But U knew what race KOOL MO DEE is! U knew he was a black rapper & U know it....

Don't try to act dumbfounded now! To me that is a racist remark...

My NAME is!!

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur..../img:$uid]

Now back on topic of 's snippet preview.....

But... now see if you can follow me here: He doesn't know (or care) what race you are. He's not making fun of your race (or Kool Moe Dee's for that matter).

If that wasn't clear enough for you, he explained: He's making fun of your NAME. Exactly as he made fun of Bart's NAME.

If you think this is about race, then guess what... YOU ARE A RACIST!

Now, you might not be, in fact, I'd guess you probably are not.

But, if you're turning this into a race thing, and/or think that his clever little name game is racist, then I would be wrong and you would in fact be a racist.

Get it? Probably not, because you are nutty...

"If you think this is about race, then guess what... YOU ARE A RACIST!"

I think this is the dumbest comment I have read on this board. Pointing out racism makes you a racist.

Go read a funking history book and learn a little something about racism before posting this type of crap.

murph said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Shame he has stepped back from the progression with 3EG. This sounds ok, but more like an Emancipation outtake than 2014.

lol....

When Prince does R&B he's not progressing....Interesting....lol

Because you have people on this board who hate RnB. At this point they need to get the fuck over itl

RnB is the pop music of today and Prince has never stopped doing it. If you do not like RnB stop listening to his RnB cuts or go find a pop artist to listen to. RnB is not going anywhere in the Prince world.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Who asked U? This has absolutely NOTHING to do with U! Your opinion means NOTHING to me at all.

Its just an excuse for U to bait & troll....

Do you understand the concept of a public forum? I'm free to participate on this thread and reply to any comment just as you are.

I find it offensive when people cry racism where there is none. I called you out on it. How is that baiting or trolling?

Tell'em Laura, you go girl! hee hee:-P

laurarichardson said:

djThunderfunk said:

But... now see if you can follow me here: He doesn't know (or care) what race you are. He's not making fun of your race (or Kool Moe Dee's for that matter).

If that wasn't clear enough for you, he explained: He's making fun of your NAME. Exactly as he made fun of Bart's NAME.

If you think this is about race, then guess what... YOU ARE A RACIST!

Now, you might not be, in fact, I'd guess you probably are not.

But, if you're turning this into a race thing, and/or think that his clever little name game is racist, then I would be wrong and you would in fact be a racist.

Get it? Probably not, because you are nutty...

"If you think this is about race, then guess what... YOU ARE A RACIST!"

I think this is the dumbest comment I have read on this board. Pointing out racism makes you a racist.

Go read a funking history book and learn a little something about racism before posting this type of crap.

Pointing out racism does not make one a racist.

However, he didn't point out any racism, because there was no racism!

There was name calling. There was nothing racist about the name calling.

He was called Kool Moe Dee for no reason other than that is a similar name to his, just as Van Halen is similar to Bart's name.

The fact that Kool Moe Dee is black does not make it racist in any concievable way.

stillwaiting explained TWICE that he has no idea what race KCOOL is and that it is irrelevant just as it is irrelevant what race Bart is or even stillewaiting for that matter. Or me even. Get it?

Race played no factor in the intent, meaning, or any reasonable understanding of his comments.

He was simply doing what any kid can do. Making fun of names with soundalike names or words.

Use your history books to explain how that childish technique is racist in this case just because the soundalike name happens to be the name of a black man? It isn't.
And to me, it's racist to think it is. Or stupid. Take your pick.

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stillwaiting said:

I still can't get over this. This is disturbing and also very very funny. I said in my post that I can't stand you...it's true. Overly positive and overly negative people get on my nerves. There should be good, bad, ugly, and in-between. If everything is simply WONDERFUL or simplly AWFUL...that usually reads as INSANITY to me.

But I never saw you as MEAN. Somebody calling somebody a racist is taking it to another level. That's downright mean.

I suppose I need to stress that I do not know what race Kook Moe Muisco is or what race Bart Van Halen is, so if you think I'm racsit for making fun of people's screen names, then that SCREAMS INSANITY to me.

Doubt Kook Moe Musico has the balls or guts to make some points to prove what race I am, and prove I konw what race he/she is.

I'm on the same page in regards to the fist paragraph and the Bolded part is exactly what I'm saying.

laurarichardson said:

As far as the snippet goes, I will go on the record as saying that it seems pretty decent. Not ground-breaking, and definitely has the same cheap-sounding keyboard sounds and overly glossy production that "The breakdown" suffers from, but at least it has a decent melody and pretty vocals.

While I would love to hear something challenging (or, dare I say it? groundbreaking) from Prince again, I've resigned myself to the fact that to me, The Rainbow Children was his last creative gasp. And I can deal with that, really.

I'm just relieved that it's not another embarrasing faux rock song, like everything that has been released under the 3rdEyeGirl moniker (with the exception of the Screwdriver remix, which makes me shake my ass in a way that most of his recent music fails to do). Although I would certainly buy PlectrumElectrum should it ever be released (which seems highly unlikely at this point), the songs that I've heard so far from that project are easily among my least favorite Prince songs of all time, and that includes controversial tunes such as "Jughead" and "The Wedding Feast."

I just find it dismaying that in the age of instantaneous digital downloads, with iTunes and Amazon MP3 and Google Music etc. (not to mention the essentially defunct 3rdeyegirl.com website) just sitting there waiting for him to release a pay-for-download song, we have to be content with a 20-second snippet released on Twitter.

The snippet seems to be an outro. If this is the case, it could very well be the minimalist finale of what is actually a very full sounding song. I don't know...because we haven't heard it yet. Further to that, anybody making definitive statements about the quality of the song at this point is commenting on the song in their head, not the one Prince has actually recorded because WE HAVEN'T HEARD IT YET.

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I've seen multiple negative comments about the songwriting and -- while again we haven't heard the song yet so how can anyone possibly judge -- I think there are two things that can be fairly discussed: The basis for the song (an internet meme); and, a clever bit of self-reference that seems to have gone over some heads.

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As to the first point, I'd argue that it doesn't matter one iota where the idea for a song comes from. A good song is a good song. Creem's "White Room" was literally inspired by the songwriter's brand new apartment, which had unpainted white walls. "Wake Me Up Before You Go Go" was George Michael drawing inspiration from a note Andrew Ridgeley scribbled to his parents for a wake up call. The Original 7vens' comeback song "Trendin'" is rooted in freakin' Twitter, for Christ's sake. In the end, none of this matters. Artists create when inspiration strikes and that inspiration can come from any one, thing or where. The fact that "This Could B Us" started life as an internet meme is completely irrelevant...

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...With one significant exception.

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Some people have singled out the line "You're The Cage to My Dove" as evidence of poor songwriting but it's the exact opposite, I say. Recall the inspiration for the track -- the internet meme. Beyond the copy, which forms the foundation for the lyrics, there's also a picture that's used. Prince and Apollonia together. Forever and always the Purple Rain couple. You know, the star-crossed lovers whose tumultuous filmic relationship is compared to DOVES CRYING in an iconic smash song. Is it coming together now? Prince is SPECIFICALLY and CONSCIOUSLY acknowledging the meme's Purple Rain era pic by referencing his biggest-ever hit that launched it all, "When Doves Cry." Only now, things are a bit different: while Prince remains a dove, his "Apollonia" no longer is. She has morphed from bird to cage. That's powerful, intentional imagery. We'll just have to wait for the whole song to know why or how it's manifested. Anyway, I think it's a wonderfully subtle homage and quite clever of Prince. I can't wait to hear the whole song.

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theblueangel said:

laurarichardson said:

"If you think this is about race, then guess what... YOU ARE A RACIST!"

I think this is the dumbest comment I have read on this board. Pointing out racism makes you a racist.

Go read a funking history book and learn a little something about racism before posting this type of crap.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are willfully missing the point here. It's obvious that djThunderfunk is asserting that stillwaiting clearly didn't make a racist comment, and has stated multiple times that while he disagrees with Bart's and KFoolMuzaq's posts, he neither knows the race of either of them, nor does he care. Therefore, if KFoolMuzaq insists on calling stillwaiting a racist despite clear evidence to the contrary, then it is not unreasonable to posit that KFoolMuzaq is indeed the racist in this scenario. When someone brings race into an argument in order to defame or belittle, as KFoolMuzaq did, then that person is acting on a racially motivated level. As for KFoolMuzaq's bizarre assertion that since KoolMoeDee is African American, changing his screen name so as to resemble KoolMoeDee's name is inherently racist, why isn't it racist to call Bart Van Hemelen "Bart Van Halen"? We don't know what race either of you are, nor do we care. You're the one bringing race into the conversation. I admit, I rather enjoy typing that after years of him almost single-handedly reducing the org to a second grade mentality due to his constant abuse of the word, "Masterpiece," as well as the eye-rolling emoticon. C'mon, KFoolMuzaq, respond to me by rolling your eyes and display some more of that acerbic wit of yours.

Yes!

Thank you for explaining that better than I could.

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Why is it when people don't like Princes new stuff others automatically say its because we dont like change or can't evolve? I for one love it when an artist pushes themselves in new directions. My Problem with Prince is that he hasn't changed! He's been doing the same tired, watered down R&B/Pop stuff since Rave. You could probably take every album since then, mix up the tracks and they would all sound like they were recorded during the same period. Theres no distinction, no defining characteristic but his name.

I'm not looking for Purple Rain part 2 or any rehash of 80's Prince sound. I'm looking for something that even has a HINT of the creative spark that made me love Prince in the first place. And I just dont hear it.

^^ Yes.

[Edited 6/27/14 23:44pm]

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[Edited 6/28/14 11:34am]

livewire said:

... I'd argue that it doesn't matter one iota where the idea for a song comes from. A good song is a good song. Creem's "White Room" was literally inspired by the songwriter's brand new apartment, which had unpainted white walls. "Wake Me Up Before You Go Go" was George Michael drawing inspiration from a note Andrew Ridgeley scribbled to his parents for a wake up call. The Original 7vens' comeback song "Trendin'" is rooted in freakin' Twitter, for Christ's sake. In the end, none of this matters. Artists create when inspiration strikes and that inspiration can come from any one, thing or where. The fact that "This Could B Us" started life as an internet meme is completely irrelevant...

It takes a gifted artist to take something as ostensibly cliche as an internet meme, connect with it, fathom it for its underlying emotional core, draw out a personal truth an give it artistic expression. It's not the source of the inspiration that matters to me so much as an artist's ability to harness that inspiration to create something that authentically captures their personal experience of it. IMO Prince accomplishes that with his latest song. He makes it his own with lavish vocals delicate but thoughtful harmonies. Lovely ballad. Can't wait to hear the full song.

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It's amazing to me how Prince as a songwriter has the versatility to look at something as inconsequential as a meme, and find deeper meaning and beauty in it.

livewire said:

Some people have singled out the line "You're The Cage to My Dove" as evidence of poor songwriting but it's the exact opposite, I say. Recall the inspiration for the track -- the internet meme. Beyond the copy, which forms the foundation for the lyrics, there's also a picture that's used. Prince and Apollonia together. Forever and always the Purple Rain couple. You know, the star-crossed lovers whose tumultuous filmic relationship is compared to DOVES CRYING in an iconic smash song. Is it coming together now? Prince is SPECIFICALLY and CONSCIOUSLY acknowledging the meme's Purple Rain era pic by referencing his biggest-ever hit that launched it all, "When Doves Cry." Only now, things are a bit different: while Prince remains a dove, his "Apollonia" no longer is. She has morphed from bird to cage. That's powerful, intentional imagery. We'll just have to wait for the whole song to know why or how it's manifested. Anyway, I think it's a wonderfully subtle homage and quite clever of Prince. I can't wait to hear the whole song.

[Edited 6/27/14 22:43pm]

Nice insight! Prince's lyrics are often underrated. I've always thought of him as a gifted poet; master of metaphor, word-play and double entendre, with an impressive command of the language. "You're the cage to my dove" could be interpreted as metaphor for trust and emotional intimacy or even physical intimacy with a woman--or both, as Prince is very skilled at layering more than one meaning into a word or phrase. Even more emblematic of his writing is how he can be of two minds at once--duality united: "cage to my dove" may represent the woman's love as being both trusted safe-haven for a heart seeking refuge, and gilded prison to a free-spirit yearning to take flight.

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There can sometimes be a variety of ways to interpret and explore his songs. I need to hear the song in its entirety to get the full context and best discern the meaning of that particular line.

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His lyrics are often more sophisticated and deliberate than people give him credit for.

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

Prince knows his core followers are a sophisticated and fickle bunch. He's talked about it before (with Tavis IIRC). A lot of us expect the unexpected. He must know that anytime he drops something conventional like this, a certain amount of people won't like it.

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It's even worse: considering that he himself doesn't like it very much (doesn't perform those songs live) and that the general public doesn't like it very much (can't be arsed to buy it), why bother? Does he think "well this time they'll like it, you'll see"?

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I'm sure the 20 somethings in his camp are absolutely floored by the fact that he can look at a meme and come up with a song about it.

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And the intended audience instantly knows that this is phoney. Plus: basing a song on a meme that really isn't one, since it isn't reappropriated and mutated at lightning speed all over the place?

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Personally, I just want to hear something that sounds honest that connects to a human emotion. It would be far more impressive and memorable than this cheap something designed to stick in my head.

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And that's something different than "woman did me wrong".

tricky99 said:

Ha..this is great! This is very true. it seems a lot of people get "stuck" and can't evolve when their favorite artist changes. And it is impossible for any artist not to change. If nothing else new tech makes them change.

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Yes, I can't stand the change. Pur-lease. How about you stop making up shit and notice how I have mentioned repeatedly that Prince is just rehashing the same limited set of ideas over and over again. Hell, even his interviews are throwbacks to the ones he did 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago.

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If onle there was change. If only there was progression.

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Why is it when people don't like Princes new stuff others automatically say its because we dont like change or can't evolve? I for one love it when an artist pushes themselves in new directions. My Problem with Prince is that he hasn't changed! He's been doing the same tired, watered down R&B/Pop stuff since Rave. You could probably take every album since then, mix up the tracks and they would all sound like they were recorded during the same period. Theres no distinction, no defining characteristic but his name.

I'm not looking for Purple Rain part 2 or any rehash of 80's Prince sound. I'm looking for something that even has a HINT of the creative spark that made me love Prince in the first place. And I just dont hear it.

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Exactly. Prince sounds like the only thing he's been listening to is himself. Meanwhile I've been listening to Jack White, Chvrches, Damon Albarn, Mogwai, St. Vincent, tUnE-yArDs, Warpaint, Arcade Fire, Blood Orange, The Weeknd, Jackson and His Computerband, Kendrick Lamar, Lorde, M.I.A., Poliça, Savages, The Civil Wars, The Knife, Kanye West, etcetera.

pots and kettles turning up everywhere on this thread!

strat3000 said:

obviously WB must be up to their old tricks and stopping his albums from coming out.

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Yeah, sure, let's blame them for not wanting P to piss all over their plans.

laurarichardson said:

murph said:

lol....

When Prince does R&B he's not progressing....Interesting....lol

Because you have people on this board who hate RnB. At this point they need to get the fuck over itl

RnB is the pop music of today and Prince has never stopped doing it. If you do not like RnB stop listening to his RnB cuts or go find a pop artist to listen to. RnB is not going anywhere in the Prince world.

From my perspective, its got nothing to do whether its an RnB track (which it isn't), its the fact that the 3EG stuff felt live and organic, something missing from alot of him music over the last few years. The snippet of the new song feels like he's back plastic production.

But I'd have to hear the whole song before I could make a proper opinion.

As for RnB, its a completely abused term. What is flying around in the charts in not RnB, anymore than 3EG is rock.

SquirrelMeat said:

As for RnB, its a completely abused term. What is flying around in the charts in not RnB, anymore than 3EG is rock.

The same could be said for other genres:

Current "country" music is nothing but "Pop" with a twang.

Modern hip-hop, at least the popular stuff... I don't even know how to classify, but, not hip-hop to me.

livewire said:

I've seen multiple negative comments about the songwriting and -- while again we haven't heard the song yet so how can anyone possibly judge -- I think there are two things that can be fairly discussed: The basis for the song (an internet meme); and, a clever bit of self-reference that seems to have gone over some heads.

Some people have singled out the line "You're The Cage to My Dove" as evidence of poor songwriting but it's the exact opposite, I say. Recall the inspiration for the track -- the internet meme. Beyond the copy, which forms the foundation for the lyrics, there's also a picture that's used. Prince and Apollonia together. Forever and always the Purple Rain couple. You know, the star-crossed lovers whose tumultuous filmic relationship is compared to DOVES CRYING in an iconic smash song. Is it coming together now?

It seems that you think some of us are too stupid to catch the significance of Prince referencing doves.

I've skipped over all of the babble in this thread because it seems like the normal back and forth that the org is known for...

As regards the snippet I normally don't listen to R&B at all. Prince is one of the only people I listen to who goes into the R&B territory, so Im not easily impressed with songs of that sound, but I actually like it. Looking forward to hearing the whole song.

laurarichardson said:

murph said:

lol....

When Prince does R&B he's not progressing....Interesting....lol

Because you have people on this board who hate RnB. At this point they need to get the fuck over itl

RnB is the pop music of today and Prince has never stopped doing it. If you do not like RnB stop listening to his RnB cuts or go find a pop artist to listen to. RnB is not going anywhere in the Prince world.

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Good point, but remember back in the late '80s/early '90s, when R&B was King and at the top of Pop charts? New Jack Swing (Teddy Riley), Jam and Lewis, etc.?

I agree with this. Something a little different for him, mature-sounding, cool changes. I thought "Everytime" from Bria's record had a bit of a "Te Amo Corazon" flavor as well.

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IstenSzek said:

he does seem to copy his balads over and over again these last years.

though "Te Amo Corazon" was a nice break from that pattern and i do

wish he would copy that song a few more times.

SquirrelMeat said:

laurarichardson said:

Because you have people on this board who hate RnB. At this point they need to get the fuck over itl

RnB is the pop music of today and Prince has never stopped doing it. If you do not like RnB stop listening to his RnB cuts or go find a pop artist to listen to. RnB is not going anywhere in the Prince world.

From my perspective, its got nothing to do whether its an RnB track (which it isn't), its the fact that the 3EG stuff felt live and organic, something missing from alot of him music over the last few years. The snippet of the new song feels like he's back plastic production.

But I'd have to hear the whole song before I could make a proper opinion.

As for RnB, its a completely abused term. What is flying around in the charts in not RnB, anymore than 3EG is rock.

What do you consider R&B proper?

I think Prince wrote this song on a whim one morning in between his pancakes and orange juice just to mess with us. And from reading some of the posts on here, it's working like a freakin' charm. Talk about a fickle bunch. Myself included.