It is interesting how people justify their thievery. Stop playing games, and just state: "I'm a selfish person who thinks I have the right to obtain what I want even if I obtain it by illegal means.” Stop using Prince's behavior to justify one's own behavior. That's childish. Most of us on here have bootleg material, but Prince not giving us what we want is not why we have it. We have it because we are gluttons. And, I am no less a glutton than anyone else, but I always purchase officially released material even if I already have the bootlegged. That doesn't make me any less of a thief, but it does allow me to support the artist whom I claim to admire.

TheEnglishGent said:

udo said:

There's this bootleg DVD thingie floating around.

The 2013 release I cannot say anything about.

We can talk about it, we just can't link to it or provide clues as to where it may be found.

I know where to get it. I'd just be happy to get it as an official release. Hopefully it won't be editted so badly like the Aladdin release was a few years ago.

It's simple. The live recordings and some gems are the main thing that kept the Prince candle burning over here for the last 15-20 years. In the end I still pay an contribution for his wardrobe, lifestyle and royal court

due to outakes and live stuff.

I will search this out eventually - but I won't pay for it. (If Prince releases it, that's another story.)

I will always buy or download bootlegs, as well as buy anything that Prince releases officially.

It could be argued that those who "create" the bootlegs are doing much to contribute to a lasting collection of Prince's legacy... Or not.

1725topp said:

It is interesting how people justify their thievery. Stop playing games, and just state: "I'm a selfish person who thinks I have the right to obtain what I want even if I obtain it by illegal means.” Stop using Prince's behavior to justify one's own behavior. That's childish. Most of us on here have bootleg material, but Prince not giving us what we want is not why we have it. We have it because we are gluttons. And, I am no less a glutton than anyone else, but I always purchase officially released material even if I already have the bootlegged. That doesn't make me any less of a thief, but it does allow me to support the artist whom I claim to admire.

I agree with you.

I very much respect intellectual property rights and I think it's trifling for these bootleggers to make money off of Prince and for us to support them. I have such guilt when I buy ... it's terrible, but I'm not going to blame Prince and say ...it's OK bcuz you should have released it first. That's absurd.

SynthiaRose said:

1725topp said:

It is interesting how people justify their thievery. Stop playing games, and just state: "I'm a selfish person who thinks I have the right to obtain what I want even if I obtain it by illegal means.” Stop using Prince's behavior to justify one's own behavior. That's childish. Most of us on here have bootleg material, but Prince not giving us what we want is not why we have it. We have it because we are gluttons. And, I am no less a glutton than anyone else, but I always purchase officially released material even if I already have the bootlegged. That doesn't make me any less of a thief, but it does allow me to support the artist whom I claim to admire.

I agree with you.

I very much respect intellectual property rights and I think it's trifling for these bootleggers to make money off of Prince and for us to support them. I have such guilt when I buy ... it's terrible, but I'm not going to blame Prince and say ...it's OK bcuz you should have released it first. That's absurd.

So don't pay for them. In this day and age, there's absolutely no reason to. Even if you're a stickler for having everything on disc, it won't be long before you can easily find this as a lossless download.

SynthiaRose said:

1725topp said:

It is interesting how people justify their thievery. Stop playing games, and just state: "I'm a selfish person who thinks I have the right to obtain what I want even if I obtain it by illegal means.” Stop using Prince's behavior to justify one's own behavior. That's childish. Most of us on here have bootleg material, but Prince not giving us what we want is not why we have it. We have it because we are gluttons. And, I am no less a glutton than anyone else, but I always purchase officially released material even if I already have the bootlegged. That doesn't make me any less of a thief, but it does allow me to support the artist whom I claim to admire.

I agree with you.

I very much respect intellectual property rights and I think it's trifling for these bootleggers to make money off of Prince and for us to support them. I have such guilt when I buy ... it's terrible, but I'm not going to blame Prince and say ...it's OK bcuz you should have released it first. That's absurd.

Well if i do buy a boot. It has to be worth it and i have no idea wat the dakota shows were like and ik they played alot of the same songs between shows so idk if it is something to die for. But i have never truley bought a boot(okay other than sign o' the times the movie) and have never seen one. If i were to buy i'd buy something from lovesexy, sign, pr, Nude tokoyo, welcome 2 chicago not the dakota. Besides from wat i heard eye records is awe inspiring in quality. But Then again Prince doesn't really lose money from this kind of bootlegging.

TheEnglishGent said:

Come on 3rdeye, beat the bootleggers!

it's on!

TwiliteKid said:

SynthiaRose said:

I agree with you.

I very much respect intellectual property rights and I think it's trifling for these bootleggers to make money off of Prince and for us to support them. I have such guilt when I buy ... it's terrible, but I'm not going to blame Prince and say ...it's OK bcuz you should have released it first. That's absurd.

So don't pay for them. In this day and age, there's absolutely no reason to. Even if you're a stickler for having everything on disc, it won't be long before you can easily find this as a lossless download.

This.

Pitrzel said:

Then he should give us what we want in a good price and everyone would be happy.

damn some of y'all are some childish mofo's. He should give you what you want? No, you have it exactly backwards, and I would imagine that this is one reason that Prince is so hardcore when it comes to bootlegs. It's not in our perview to dictate when, what, how much, etc. to release. It's his shit, period. This show is out as a boot already, and you seriously expect that a reasonable course of action for him is to release it officially to beat the bootleggers to the punch? Ridiculous.

BlackandRising said:

Pitrzel said:

Then he should give us what we want in a good price and everyone would be happy.

damn some of y'all are some childish mofo's. He should give you what you want? No, you have it exactly backwards, and I would imagine that this is one reason that Prince is so hardcore when it comes to bootlegs. It's not in our perview to dictate when, what, how much, etc. to release. It's his shit, period. This show is out as a boot already, and you seriously expect that a reasonable course of action for him is to release it officially to beat the bootleggers to the punch? Ridiculous.

i wish he would release all of the shows. He could set up a few download channels and after each show is played upload it for sale. It would primarily be the people at that show getting it plus i am sure a few die hards. He could leave it up for 1 week and take it down to make room for the next weeks show. During non touring times he could upload other shows from various years. Its not costing him much at all and the fans can pick the ones they want. Everyone is happy except for the ones who bitch on here just to bitch to get attention that he is "flooding the market". Prince would make a killing at the bank and us fans would be on cloud 9!! He would cement himself as the greatest ever in the eyes of his fans

HonestMan13 said:

The notion that Prince should have every show recorded and packaged to appease every type of fan and all within a time frame to beat bootleggers is absurd!

Man!

If an evil bootleggar can get stuff to the streets in about two months, then why can't mr Prince get his CD's on the internet in the same time?

Take preorders to finance the operation.

Be creative!

Assuming he can't do it (which is understandable if we look at the Montreux 2009 fiasco) is giving in to mediocrity.

udo said:

HonestMan13 said:

The notion that Prince should have every show recorded and packaged to appease every type of fan and all within a time frame to beat bootleggers is absurd!

Man!

If an evil bootleggar can get stuff to the streets in about two months, then why can't mr Prince get his CD's on the internet in the same time?

Take preorders to finance the operation.

Be creative!

Assuming he can't do it (which is understandable if we look at the Montreux 2009 fiasco) is giving in to mediocrity.

My point is every Prince show gets bootlegged. So is Prince supposed to "beat the bootleggers" by releasing every single show(good or bad) within weeks?

BlackandRising said:

This show is out as a boot already, and you seriously expect that a reasonable course of action for him is to release it officially to beat the bootleggers to the punch? Ridiculous.

Nonsense.

Prince is chaotic.

He is said to be a control freak yet unable to pay his taxes in time and unable to keep a proper administration. He used to be '#1 at the bank' until banksters went out of style.

Prince is not hardcore. He mentions 'bootlegz for dayz' while testing the $0.88 per song thingie. He could have done this a decade or two ago to pay the spaceheating at the park.

His security is mediocre; even (former) associates leak stuff (and I do not mean the 3rdeyegirl persona).

He simply refuses to see the money in his live recordings. The reasons are perhaps related to his perfectionism.

And then you compare an audience recording with a proper mixed soundboard and conclude that the soundboard cannot compete, which is quite strange.

(especially with the dorks discussion lately)

udo said:

BlackandRising said:

This show is out as a boot already, and you seriously expect that a reasonable course of action for him is to release it officially to beat the bootleggers to the punch? Ridiculous.

Nonsense.

Prince is chaotic.

He is said to be a control freak yet unable to pay his taxes in time and unable to keep a proper administration. He used to be '#1 at the bank' until banksters went out of style.

Prince is not hardcore. He mentions 'bootlegz for dayz' while testing the $0.88 per song thingie. He could have done this a decade or two ago to pay the spaceheating at the park.

His security is mediocre; even (former) associates leak stuff (and I do not mean the 3rdeyegirl persona).

He simply refuses to see the money in his live recordings. The reasons are perhaps related to his perfectionism.

And then you compare an audience recording with a proper mixed soundboard and conclude that the soundboard cannot compete, which is quite strange.

(especially with the dorks discussion lately)

Now you're just conflating the issue of bootlegs and rationalizing it by claiming that he should just do what you want, with your opinion that he is chaotic, unable to pay taxes, etc., none of which you can with any amount of certainty. WTF does his taxes or anything else have to do with what he wants to do with his art? It is not yours to say that he's "refusing to see the money" in his live recordings.

All I'm saying is that the man has literally all but told eeryone that he will do what he wants in his own time. I can't see being a Prince fan without acknowledging this fact. Otherwise, you'd simply go mad, which I can see some people here are well on their way. You either pay .88, or you don't. I mean, WTF is the problem?

BlackandRising said:

udo said:

Nonsense.

Prince is chaotic.

He is said to be a control freak yet unable to pay his taxes in time and unable to keep a proper administration. He used to be '#1 at the bank' until banksters went out of style.

Prince is not hardcore. He mentions 'bootlegz for dayz' while testing the $0.88 per song thingie. He could have done this a decade or two ago to pay the spaceheating at the park.

His security is mediocre; even (former) associates leak stuff (and I do not mean the 3rdeyegirl persona).

He simply refuses to see the money in his live recordings. The reasons are perhaps related to his perfectionism.

And then you compare an audience recording with a proper mixed soundboard and conclude that the soundboard cannot compete, which is quite strange.

(especially with the dorks discussion lately)

Now you're just conflating the issue of bootlegs and rationalizing it by claiming that he should just do what you want, with your opinion that he is chaotic, unable to pay taxes, etc., none of which you can with any amount of certainty. WTF does his taxes or anything else have to do with what he wants to do with his art? It is not yours to say that he's "refusing to see the money" in his live recordings.

All I'm saying is that the man has literally all but told eeryone that he will do what he wants in his own time. I can't see being a Prince fan without acknowledging this fact. Otherwise, you'd simply go mad, which I can see some people here are well on their way. You either pay .88, or you don't. I mean, WTF is the problem?

The problem is his lack of control.

That conflicts with his control freak aura.

Why can't he do like the Gratefull Dead?

Or like the rock bands that sell their concert recordings?

At least in a limited fashion?

Of course he has authority in some way over doing so but I contrast his chaos or lack of cash flow against his number # 1 at the bank statements and offer the sales of his recordings as a steady flow of income.

Prince has complained about bootleggers for years and rightly so, he should be able to decide what is or isn't out there regardelss of what I or anyone else wants. However, the reality is that bootleggers exist and will put out everything they can get their hands on. With this in mind and especially considering the ease with which things can be put out, Prince could do what's suggested and make every show available, which would kill the bootleggers revenue swiftly abd he'd never have to complain about them again.

Instead he teases with putting out the odd sample from a show, taunting us with how good it sounds. 3rd eye says she walked away with a soundboard recording of a Dakota show and we get to hear how good it is but only a tiny part. What's the point of talking about all the great stuff he's got if we never get to hear it?

1725topp said:

It is interesting how people justify their thievery. Stop playing games, and just state: "I'm a selfish person who thinks I have the right to obtain what I want even if I obtain it by illegal means.” Stop using Prince's behavior to justify one's own behavior. That's childish. Most of us on here have bootleg material, but Prince not giving us what we want is not why we have it. We have it because we are gluttons. And, I am no less a glutton than anyone else, but I always purchase officially released material even if I already have the bootlegged. That doesn't make me any less of a thief, but it does allow me to support the artist whom I claim to admire.

Bullshit, thats exactly why we have boots because Prince dosnt always give us the stuff we want. Its up to him what he does but to suggest we are just gluttons is proper crap. How is wanting to listen to more of his music glutanous?! Its just called being a fan.

Prince could release all of his shows for download within a few days if he wanted to, I wish he would, its easy to do and it'd stop the bootleggers. He records all of his shows anyway he might as well release them.

BlackandRising said:

Pitrzel said:

Then he should give us what we want in a good price and everyone would be happy.

damn some of y'all are some childish mofo's. He should give you what you want? No, you have it exactly backwards, and I would imagine that this is one reason that Prince is so hardcore when it comes to bootlegs. It's not in our perview to dictate when, what, how much, etc. to release. It's his shit, period. This show is out as a boot already, and you seriously expect that a reasonable course of action for him is to release it officially to beat the bootleggers to the punch? Ridiculous.

Well, here's the deal people.

Prince is doing something I NEVER thought he'd do.

And that is offer songs for download in a pay-by-song method with no membership fee.

Threads like these would only serve to discourage the guy, and then we'd just be back

and square one--discussing bootlegs instead of new material.

honer said:

1725topp said:

It is interesting how people justify their thievery. Stop playing games, and just state: "I'm a selfish person who thinks I have the right to obtain what I want even if I obtain it by illegal means.” Stop using Prince's behavior to justify one's own behavior. That's childish. Most of us on here have bootleg material, but Prince not giving us what we want is not why we have it. We have it because we are gluttons. And, I am no less a glutton than anyone else, but I always purchase officially released material even if I already have the bootlegged. That doesn't make me any less of a thief, but it does allow me to support the artist whom I claim to admire.

Bullshit, thats exactly why we have boots because Prince dosnt always give us the stuff we want. Its up to him what he does but to suggest we are just gluttons is proper crap. How is wanting to listen to more of his music glutanous?! Its just called being a fan.

Prince could release all of his shows for download within a few days if he wanted to, I wish he would, its easy to do and it'd stop the bootleggers. He records all of his shows anyway he might as well release them.

It's sad that you don't realize how myopic, selfish, and immoral you are. Not that I'm not any less myopic, selfish, or immoral than you, but I don't blame others for my myopic, selfish, and immoral behavior. Your response is the equivalent of thinking it is acceptable for me to purchase a stolen big screen because I'm a big fan of big screens. It's not about what Prince could or could not do. It is his music, his legacy, his work, not yours. Maybe because I'm an artist I see it differently, but ownership means something, especially ownership of something that one creates. So, yes, you and I are fans. So what? Big deal! Is it acceptable for me to steal Prince's latest shirts or pants because I've a fan of his wardrobe? Is it acceptable for me to steal Prince's guitar because I'm a fan. A true fan respects ownership and personal rights. And if Prince's behavior causes you or anyone else to lose respect for him or like him less, stealing from him actually justifies his acting like an ass and shows you, me, and others to be hypocritical asses. So, it doesn't matter that he records all of his shows. They are his shows. Are you too simple to understand that basic point? But don't worry, when I purchase your tv and computer from the pawn shop, I'll be sure to tell the judge that I'm such a big fan of you and your tv and computer so that I will not be sentenced to jail.

imago said:

Well, here's the deal people.

Prince is doing something I NEVER thought he'd do.

And that is offer songs for download in a pay-by-song method with no membership fee.

Threads like these would only serve to discourage the guy, and then we'd just be back

and square one--discussing bootlegs instead of new material.

Thank you for bringing me back to the most important point! I'm glad that I can purchase Prince's music so easily. This is so much better than chasing often poorly offered bootlegs across a virus filled internet.

1725topp said:

honer said:

Bullshit, thats exactly why we have boots because Prince dosnt always give us the stuff we want. Its up to him what he does but to suggest we are just gluttons is proper crap. How is wanting to listen to more of his music glutanous?! Its just called being a fan.

Prince could release all of his shows for download within a few days if he wanted to, I wish he would, its easy to do and it'd stop the bootleggers. He records all of his shows anyway he might as well release them.

It's sad that you don't realize how myopic, selfish, and immoral you are. Not that I'm not any less myopic, selfish, or immoral than you, but I don't blame others for my myopic, selfish, and immoral behavior. Your response is the equivalent of thinking it is acceptable for me to purchase a stolen big screen because I'm a big fan of big screens. It's not about what Prince could or could not do. It is his music, his legacy, his work, not yours. Maybe because I'm an artist I see it differently, but ownership means something, especially ownership of something that one creates. So, yes, you and I are fans. So what? Big deal! Is it acceptable for me to steal Prince's latest shirts or pants because I've a fan of his wardrobe? Is it acceptable for me to steal Prince's guitar because I'm a fan. A true fan respects ownership and personal rights. And if Prince's behavior causes you or anyone else to lose respect for him or like him less, stealing from him actually justifies his acting like an ass and shows you, me, and others to be hypocritical asses. So, it doesn't matter that he records all of his shows. They are his shows. Are you too simple to understand that basic point? But don't worry, when I purchase your tv and computer from the pawn shop, I'll be sure to tell the judge that I'm such a big fan of you and your tv and computer so that I will not be sentenced to jail.

For the record I have never bought any boots I was saying thats why "we" as in the community have them because Prince chooses rightly/wrongly/whateverly to not put them out there.

As for the rest of your post its so preachy and based on so much assumption that I cant be arsed to address it. I actually kind of agree with the bones of your point but you sound like a whiney socialist student, enjoy your cous cous.