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Thread started 11/09/12 4:51am

funkyhead

U all ready for another sonically dull CD by numbers from P!!

yes you will all condemn me for pissing on a parade before it's even started but why do I get the feeling that another hastily put together CD of the same standard as Planet Earth, 20Ten etc is being thrown together in order to give Andy A's project a lift - call me cynical!.

When P can turn out stuff as great as this: http://www.youtube.com/wa...1uUIJPD0Nk then I'll be back with bells and whistles on. Check it out and don't dare tell me you don't wish P could do something as great as this!.

I truly hope that I am wrong and that his next album will have some care and attention spent on it and will actually be interesting to listen to!.

Flame away!

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Reply #1 posted 11/09/12 5:09am

TheEnglishGent

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I'm ready, thought Planet Earth was excellent and really enjoy 20Ten too.

RIP sad
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Reply #2 posted 11/09/12 5:14am

kidsherriff

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I agree. 2010 sounded like it had been mastered in some teenagers bedroom using a hooky copy of reason.

The stuff you posted a link to is cool. Reminds me a lot of Basement Jaxx. They're a bit heavy handed with the scratching but its still really interesting by comparison. Its been a long time since P came up with such a cool mish mash of styles that hang together as well as this stuff.

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Reply #3 posted 11/09/12 5:34am

funkyhead

i'll even predict it:

3 Ballads [1 with slow sexy horns, all with lots of innuendo]

1 hard rock type track [think guitar / peach etc]

2 mid paced soft rock tracks - inevitably about how crap life is or how he's had his heart broken again![count R&R affair as one!]

1 horn driven funk track with a Maceo solo thrown in

1 dance type track with crap lyrics and totally dull / unimaginative use of key boards

1 quirky track [think everybody loves me]

1 lethargic attempt at a Rap / Funk combo

Instruments -

Drums: both real and sampled drums + obligatory use of THE 80's drum machine

Bass : sits in the background with no riff = dull

Guitar - the usual cliches'

Horns - the usual horn stabs, solos etc

keyboards - standard use, forget the 1999 albums period of pure innovation

Production:

Forget innovation, imagination i.e. Beck!, think of the same hastily chucked together mix.

Martketing - the script is already written!!!, a dizzying mix of styles, real music by blah blah, bringing back the love, the world needs to heal!! Oh and 'lets talk about Andys' CD!!

Enjoy your experience!!!

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Reply #4 posted 11/09/12 5:46am

skywalker

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funkyhead said:

i'll even predict it:

3 Ballads [1 with slow sexy horns, all with lots of innuendo]

1 hard rock type track [think guitar / peach etc]

2 mid paced soft rock tracks - inevitably about how crap life is or how he's had his heart broken again![count R&R affair as one!]

1 horn driven funk track with a Maceo solo thrown in

1 dance type track with crap lyrics and totally dull / unimaginative use of key boards

1 quirky track [think everybody loves me]

1 lethargic attempt at a Rap / Funk combo

Instruments -

Drums: both real and sampled drums + obligatory use of THE 80's drum machine

Bass : sits in the background with no riff = dull

Guitar - the usual cliches'

Horns - the usual horn stabs, solos etc

keyboards - standard use, forget the 1999 albums period of pure innovation

Production:

Forget innovation, imagination i.e. Beck!, think of the same hastily chucked together mix.

Martketing - the script is already written!!!, a dizzying mix of styles, real music by blah blah, bringing back the love, the world needs to heal!! Oh and 'lets talk about Andys' CD!!

Enjoy your experience!!!

Those of you that are bored of Prince and not looking forward to his next release, let me ask you a question: What was the last Prince album that you really enjoyed/were into?

The list of items funkyhead put together is humorous because (minus the subjective statements) it is partly true. Furthermore, this formula has been true for the BULK of Prince's music in his career.

"New Power slide...."
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Reply #5 posted 11/09/12 5:57am

funkyhead

skywalker said:

funkyhead said:

i'll even predict it:

3 Ballads [1 with slow sexy horns, all with lots of innuendo]

1 hard rock type track [think guitar / peach etc]

2 mid paced soft rock tracks - inevitably about how crap life is or how he's had his heart broken again![count R&R affair as one!]

1 horn driven funk track with a Maceo solo thrown in

1 dance type track with crap lyrics and totally dull / unimaginative use of key boards

1 quirky track [think everybody loves me]

1 lethargic attempt at a Rap / Funk combo

Instruments -

Drums: both real and sampled drums + obligatory use of THE 80's drum machine

Bass : sits in the background with no riff = dull

Guitar - the usual cliches'

Horns - the usual horn stabs, solos etc

keyboards - standard use, forget the 1999 albums period of pure innovation

Production:

Forget innovation, imagination i.e. Beck!, think of the same hastily chucked together mix.

Martketing - the script is already written!!!, a dizzying mix of styles, real music by blah blah, bringing back the love, the world needs to heal!! Oh and 'lets talk about Andys' CD!!

Enjoy your experience!!!

Those of you that are bored of Prince and not looking forward to his next release, let me ask you a question: What was the last Prince album that you really enjoyed/were into?

The list of items funkyhead put together is humorous because (minus the subjective statements) it is partly true. Furthermore, this formula has been true for the BULK of Prince's music in his career.

Hi, I have to say that LF was brilliant. Every track was a keeper, the guitars rocked, the drums crashed, the lyrics were generally strong, melodies were excellent. I still cannot understand how this was not given a proper global release under a big label? Love it.

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Reply #6 posted 11/09/12 5:59am

funkyhead

kidsherriff said:

I agree. 2010 sounded like it had been mastered in some teenagers bedroom using a hooky copy of reason.

The stuff you posted a link to is cool. Reminds me a lot of Basement Jaxx. They're a bit heavy handed with the scratching but its still really interesting by comparison. Its been a long time since P came up with such a cool mish mash of styles that hang together as well as this stuff.

glad you liked it, have you heard Rudimentals new track?, it is amazing using traditional Prince type horns but mixing in drum n' bass backed with great lyrics.

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Reply #7 posted 11/09/12 6:20am

HonestMan13

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Here's what I say to everyone who "knows" what Prince should be doing with his music.

"Go out there and make it yourself then bring it here for the ORG to tear apart or raise up."

When one orger cracks the mainstream with the funk driven CD that they claim we've all been missing and establishes themselves as the new face of that sound then drop me a line.

Both sides really need to stop trying to denegrate the other into their way of thinking. If you don't like the next "sonically dull CD by numbers" then that's cool but t's also cool for others to love it.

My take is that you like drum n bass and the type of stuff a lot of DJ's are doing now and wish Prince would incorporate that into his music so you can have the best of both worlds on one CD. Everyone should have a dream.

I'm sure somebody on here wants him to do country-western or reggae at this point but it's not based upon a sound professional production stance it's all about self gratification for the individual. I listened to the link you posted and it's okay. It might sound better at 2am in a warehouse where people are high as fuck and covered in some foreign substance.

As for the original question, Yeah I am ready.

When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #8 posted 11/09/12 6:23am

trax

absolutely ready!! can't wait!! I just hope there is one because I have not heard where Prince has said he is releasing one.

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Reply #9 posted 11/09/12 6:46am

IstenSzek

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i'm ready biggrin and i'm sure i'll enjoy it.

however lol

i just wish prince would make his music a little more daring and out there again.

arguably, he's already done most everything there was to do, at the time.

but sounds have changed and a lot of current music seems more edgy and the

sonics are much more urgent and sharp than what prince has been doing for at

least 10 years now.

not saying i don't like his songs and that he should 'chase trends' because the

current trends mostly suck. but lots of groups, like "bat for lashes", "radiohead",

"beck", "bjork" etc etc etc all have such a beautiful sonic palette and so many

intricate, flowing melodies that their music at this point is infinetely more 'real'

and current than anything prince seems to be doing.

it's been said before but he could probably do with an outside producer or at the

very least, get himself some new studio equipment.

at this point even his funk sounds a bit stale. because it's always conducted with

the same basic formula of instruments and they all start to sound alike.

he would do well to spruce things up a bit more and whenever he wants to use a

few electronic flourishes, they should be up to date and 'new' to his catalogue. it

was a thorn in a lot of people's eyes, i know, when he started using pro tools but

at least it changed the elements utilised on the songs on "mplsound", be it to a

less than satisfactory end result.

whenever he takes his time on an album and makes an actual 'album', he can do

little wrong in my eyes, even if he's just using all the regular components. i still

think "lotusflower" is an amazing disc, yet it doesn't have any of the elements i've

been wishing for.

but when he just chucks out 10 new songs that don't hang together very well, it

would be nice if they at least all brought something new to the table for him and

his sound. i'm not talking reinventing the wheel because he's already done that

a dozen times in his prime, but just a different approach and production.

plus, would it kill him to write 10 good lyrics? i'm getting a bit tired of having the

same subjects broached again and again. most of them don't move me at all in

the first place. some good universal storytelling and a few weird abstract lyrics

would do me just fine.

it would be nice if a new prince album would make you sit up and go "what the

hell was that?" or "wow, let me rewind that, i'm not sure what i just heard" or

just have a few plain old goosebumps moments again.

"rock and roll love affair" sounds healthy enough and it's quite fun, but it's not a

very special song by any means. it's obviously catered to a big audience and as

such it's just another copy of so many songs he's done in the past decade.

when the general public obviously doesn't care that much anymore, wouldn't the

time be right to just release something less obvious and easy? i'm sure he would

get some more lengthy and better reviews if he'd created something totally wtf

again. and the fans would eat it up. and keep listening to it for longer than just a

few weeks before thinking "i could do with another prince album already" biggrin

we know he could easily do an album like that, at least i still have faith. but with

all the albums past TRC on the table, i'm starting to think that he simply does not

feel the need to or just doesn't want to. he seems to be content with whatever he

is doing now because he keeps repeating it over and over again.

in concert he still has flourishes of brilliant ideas but they constantly fail to repeat

on his records. so i can only conclude that he wants to be fairly motr right now.

and that's the only thing that makes me mildy sad. not his albums. they're fun,

even if they've become predictable and a bit boring. i listen to much worse stuff

on any given day anyway and i love me some new prince stuff.

i just don't understand why he keeps trying to have commercial succes when it so

obviously isn't his game anymore. so why not say "well if the chances of a song

of mine becoming a top 3 hit are so slim, i'll not pander to that market anymore

and just create something that is different, weird and challenging even to myself,

if only to see where that direction might take me or just for the pleasure of being

in the studio and coming up with stuff that will make my true fanbase have their

mouths on the floor".

instead he's probably taken the last 2 years to create the perfect 'radio friendly'

album to shop around major labels or try to secure another 5 million up front kind

of deal. once again. that's fine. but it's also boring and not very much in the spirit

of who he used to be all along.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #10 posted 11/09/12 6:48am

Graycap23

I'll take a new Prince release 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

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Reply #11 posted 11/09/12 6:50am

rdhull

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U all ready for some more dumbasses complaining?

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #12 posted 11/09/12 6:57am

IstenSzek

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rdhull said:

U all ready for some more dumbasses complaining?

wave

although i feel that i've already done so much bitching and complaining these last 2 years

that i'll probably be able to just sit my ass down and actually enjoy the album once it gets

released

lol

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #13 posted 11/09/12 7:30am

datdude

can someone help me find/create a "kicking myself" emoticon?! that's what i feel like doing for coming into this thread. Mods can you create an additional BitchFest Forum?

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Reply #14 posted 11/09/12 7:40am

rdhull

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IstenSzek said:

rdhull said:

U all ready for some more dumbasses complaining?

wave

although i feel that i've already done so much bitching and complaining these last 2 years

that i'll probably be able to just sit my ass down and actually enjoy the album once it gets

released

lol

You dont complain. You have always been sensible and objective in your assessment of the music imho.

If you want to destroy my sweater.......

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #15 posted 11/09/12 7:53am

skywalker

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IstenSzek said:

i'm ready biggrin and i'm sure i'll enjoy it.

however lol

i just wish prince would make his music a little more daring and out there again.

arguably, he's already done most everything there was to do, at the time.

but sounds have changed and a lot of current music seems more edgy and the

sonics are much more urgent and sharp than what prince has been doing for at

least 10 years now.

not saying i don't like his songs and that he should 'chase trends' because the

current trends mostly suck. but lots of groups, like "bat for lashes", "radiohead",

"beck", "bjork" etc etc etc all have such a beautiful sonic palette and so many

intricate, flowing melodies that their music at this point is infinetely more 'real'

and current than anything prince seems to be doing.

it's been said before but he could probably do with an outside producer or at the

very least, get himself some new studio equipment.

at this point even his funk sounds a bit stale. because it's always conducted with

the same basic formula of instruments and they all start to sound alike.

he would do well to spruce things up a bit more and whenever he wants to use a

few electronic flourishes, they should be up to date and 'new' to his catalogue. it

was a thorn in a lot of people's eyes, i know, when he started using pro tools but

at least it changed the elements utilised on the songs on "mplsound", be it to a

less than satisfactory end result.

whenever he takes his time on an album and makes an actual 'album', he can do

little wrong in my eyes, even if he's just using all the regular components. i still

think "lotusflower" is an amazing disc, yet it doesn't have any of the elements i've

been wishing for.

but when he just chucks out 10 new songs that don't hang together very well, it

would be nice if they at least all brought something new to the table for him and

his sound. i'm not talking reinventing the wheel because he's already done that

a dozen times in his prime, but just a different approach and production.

plus, would it kill him to write 10 good lyrics? i'm getting a bit tired of having the

same subjects broached again and again. most of them don't move me at all in

the first place. some good universal storytelling and a few weird abstract lyrics

would do me just fine.

it would be nice if a new prince album would make you sit up and go "what the

hell was that?" or "wow, let me rewind that, i'm not sure what i just heard" or

just have a few plain old goosebumps moments again.

"rock and roll love affair" sounds healthy enough and it's quite fun, but it's not a

very special song by any means. it's obviously catered to a big audience and as

such it's just another copy of so many songs he's done in the past decade.

when the general public obviously doesn't care that much anymore, wouldn't the

time be right to just release something less obvious and easy? i'm sure he would

get some more lengthy and better reviews if he'd created something totally wtf

again. and the fans would eat it up. and keep listening to it for longer than just a

few weeks before thinking "i could do with another prince album already" biggrin

we know he could easily do an album like that, at least i still have faith. but with

all the albums past TRC on the table, i'm starting to think that he simply does not

feel the need to or just doesn't want to. he seems to be content with whatever he

is doing now because he keeps repeating it over and over again.

in concert he still has flourishes of brilliant ideas but they constantly fail to repeat

on his records. so i can only conclude that he wants to be fairly motr right now.

and that's the only thing that makes me mildy sad. not his albums. they're fun,

even if they've become predictable and a bit boring. i listen to much worse stuff

on any given day anyway and i love me some new prince stuff.

i just don't understand why he keeps trying to have commercial succes when it so

obviously isn't his game anymore. so why not say "well if the chances of a song

of mine becoming a top 3 hit are so slim, i'll not pander to that market anymore

and just create something that is different, weird and challenging even to myself,

if only to see where that direction might take me or just for the pleasure of being

in the studio and coming up with stuff that will make my true fanbase have their

mouths on the floor".

instead he's probably taken the last 2 years to create the perfect 'radio friendly'

album to shop around major labels or try to secure another 5 million up front kind

of deal. once again. that's fine. but it's also boring and not very much in the spirit

of who he used to be all along.

Just want to say that this is an EXCELLENT fucking post.

I don't even agree with a lot of the ideas in it, but it is able to articulate why Prince isn't "doing it" for a fan without insulting/berating/patronizing those who are into/feeling everything he is doing currently.

"New Power slide...."
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Reply #16 posted 11/09/12 8:55am

FunkiestOne

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Some of you guys are cold and just clueless.

Who do you think feels worse about less than stellar music being released by Prince...all of us or him??

He's probably doing about the best he can at this point. He's just not inspired or he's old and tired or whatever. But must be like losing your superpowers to him to not be capable of past brilliance any longer.

Cut the dude some slack. You guys probably hate your grandparents because they can't run up and down stairs any longer...damn.

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[Edited 11/9/12 8:56am]

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Reply #17 posted 11/09/12 9:38am

2020

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First off, I would not consider the link you provided as great...not even close.

Where is the originality or hook or great beat or anything really worth listening to?

I'll take a crappy by the numbers CD from Prince over this stuff...

[Edited 11/9/12 9:38am]

The greatest live performer of our times was is and always will be Prince.

Remember there is only one destination and that place is U
All of it. Everything. Is U.
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Reply #18 posted 11/09/12 9:41am

HonestMan13

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U all ready for another verbally redundant thread by numbers from an orger.
When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #19 posted 11/09/12 9:42am

HonestMan13

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2020 said:

First off, I would not consider the link you provided as great...not even close.



Where is the originality or hook or great beat or anything really worth listening to?



I'll take a crappy by the numbers CD from Prince over this stuff...

[Edited 11/9/12 9:38am]



You have to do some E first then it's fucking great man!
When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #20 posted 11/09/12 10:04am

IstenSzek

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rdhull said:

If you want to destroy my sweater.......

falloff falloff falloff

you just made my weekend by reminding me of that story lol

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #21 posted 11/09/12 10:16am

Meloh9

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Twin Shadow reminds me of some older Prince, that is all.
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Reply #22 posted 11/09/12 10:16am

novabrkr

funkyhead said:

When P can turn out stuff as great as this: http://www.youtube.com/wa...1uUIJPD0Nk then I'll be back with bells and whistles on. Check it out and don't dare tell me you don't wish P could do something as great as this!.

The music in this clip is gimmicky and deliberately fuses sounds that aren't usually heard together in order to provide the impression that it's artistically inventive. I've listened to my own share of "weird" electronic music and this is hardly anything that I'd consider worth listening to.

So, yeah, I don't wish for a moment that Prince would do stuff like that. I'd definitely take 20Ten over that.

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Reply #23 posted 11/09/12 10:21am

stillwaiting

funkyhead said:

yes you will all condemn me for pissing on a parade before it's even started but why do I get the feeling that another hastily put together CD of the same standard as Planet Earth, 20Ten etc is being thrown together in order to give Andy A's project a lift - call me cynical!.

When P can turn out stuff as great as this: http://www.youtube.com/wa...1uUIJPD0Nk then I'll be back with bells and whistles on. Check it out and don't dare tell me you don't wish P could do something as great as this!.

I truly hope that I am wrong and that his next album will have some care and attention spent on it and will actually be interesting to listen to!.

Flame away!

One question for funkyhead....I have found that the majority of those who think Prince has lost it in the studio, think that he is better than ever live. Many of the latest Prince album bashers think a concert with tons of remakes, and Shelby shouting "Put Your Hands Up," is a great concert. True?

I love all of Prince's albums. The last few are by far not the best, but Lotus Flow3r is a classic, 3121, Planet Earth, and 20Ten are really good, and great in many spots. Only MPLSound is a bit of a letdown for me, and there are still some nice songs there too.

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Reply #24 posted 11/09/12 10:23am

novabrkr

I have found that the majority of those who think Prince has lost it in the studio listen to some sort of disposable hipster stuff.

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Reply #25 posted 11/09/12 10:30am

novabrkr

Oh yeah, and Nine Inch Nails.

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Reply #26 posted 11/09/12 10:43am

WetDream

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funkyhead said:

yes you will all condemn me for pissing on a parade before it's even started but why do I get the feeling that another hastily put together CD of the same standard as Planet Earth, 20Ten etc is being thrown together in order to give Andy A's project a lift - call me cynical!.

When P can turn out stuff as great as this: http://www.youtube.com/wa...1uUIJPD0Nk then I'll be back with bells and whistles on. Check it out and don't dare tell me you don't wish P could do something as great as this!.

I truly hope that I am wrong and that his next album will have some care and attention spent on it and will actually be interesting to listen to!.

Flame away!

Why on earth would you complain about something (you know nothing about) and try to back that up with a track from another artist that sounds like my old Sonic The Hedgehog 2 game fucking up and claim that's what Prince should do? My word....LOL.

That is hilarious. If Prince released that Windows 95 crashing noise, i'd be devastatingly worried.

I'd agree more so with your post had you not included that dying otter noise as an example.

[Edited 11/9/12 10:48am]

This Post is produced, arranged, composed and performed by WetDream
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Reply #27 posted 11/09/12 10:50am

funkyhead

2020 said:

First off, I would not consider the link you provided as great...not even close.

Where is the originality or hook or great beat or anything really worth listening to?

I'll take a crappy by the numbers CD from Prince over this stuff...

[Edited 11/9/12 9:38am]

really?, so you take r&r affair over the track on my link?, really??

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Reply #28 posted 11/09/12 10:53am

funkyhead

FunkiestOne said:

Some of you guys are cold and just clueless.

Who do you think feels worse about less than stellar music being released by Prince...all of us or him??

He's probably doing about the best he can at this point. He's just not inspired or he's old and tired or whatever. But must be like losing your superpowers to him to not be capable of past brilliance any longer.

Cut the dude some slack. You guys probably hate your grandparents because they can't run up and down stairs any longer...damn.

.

[Edited 11/9/12 8:56am]

oh come on, so if he feels he is not up to scratch anymore then why release crap. Why not just take a damn break for 3 years, live a little, collaborate a lot and come back with something worth while. He has taken a musical laxative and just can't stop releasing crap!!

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Reply #29 posted 11/09/12 11:06am

funkyhead

This may come across another whining orger thread and indeed it actually is!. my fingers are hanging onto the very last purple thread of hope. I love him, simply love him - listened to his Coachella version of Come togther and the Radiohead cover and was nearly moved to tears [great to hear him connect so well with such a younger audience].

All opinions count, that's whats great about the org, however only a fool would deny that P is teetering on the edge - the majority will recognise that he just can't cut it in the studio [maybe out of choice as he clearly doesn't view an 'album' as art anymore - it's just promo to shift tickets]. Likewise when his main source of income [i am assuming this] is through arena gigs and he can't even get the sound right by paying for professionals then the future doesn't bode well.

His management [or in this case hot piece of ass that she is] is not advising him well. The man just needs to go away and chill - if he came back with another SOTT then it will be worth the wait.

In terms of my original thread - I really am dreading the new CD - and you know my predicted track list is dead on point!!

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