Spinlight said:

rialb said:

NeonCraxx, Spinlight, you guys need to hug it out. Get in there real close and tight and hug your differences away.

There ain't enough room for 2 Org villains. Gotta get rid of one.

As Jack Layton said:

Spinlight said:

motherfunka said:

The bootleggers actually made the 90s a jumbled mess. The material for Come, Gold, and Exodus were recorded at different times throughout the early 90s. For the most part Come early 93, Gold late 93, and Exodus late 94/early 95. Perfect example, the 10,000 bootleg is a jumbled mess as far as putting tracks together that don't belong together.

Huh? Those songs were all recorded around the same time. All of Prince's albums have spanned a year or two within their own "era" and sometimes longer.

None of what is on the 10k boot was done past 94.

The songs that ended up on Come were songs that were written for Glam Slam Uysses, which was being played at Glam Slam by Aug 93. Then after that a whole new batch of songs done in late 93/early 94 ended up being Gold, with Dolphin and Endorphinemachine being the leftovers from Come, and so on. They all might have been done in a two year span, but it wasn't one big project where Prince decided to split the songs up and put some songs on one album and some on another.

motherfunka said:

Spinlight said:

Huh? Those songs were all recorded around the same time. All of Prince's albums have spanned a year or two within their own "era" and sometimes longer.

None of what is on the 10k boot was done past 94.

The songs that ended up on Come were songs that were written for Glam Slam Uysses, which was being played at Glam Slam by Aug 93. Then after that a whole new batch of songs done in late 93/early 94 ended up being Gold, with Dolphin and Endorphinemachine being the leftovers from Come, and so on. They all might have been done in a two year span, but it wasn't one big project where Prince decided to split the songs up and put some songs on one album and some on another.

But they had all been completed from June 93 ("Come") and the fall of 94 ("Mad", "Funky Design").

"Endorphinmachine" was on both Come and Gold as was "Interactive".

In fact, the 10k boot is a pretty good summation of the work being done at the time. Random? Not thematically and certainly not sound-wise. To me, it sounds like it could be its own album and the only people who'd know the difference are us nerds on the org.

Edit: "Endorphinmachine" is from January of 93.

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joyinrepetition said:

Come is quite easily one, if not the best Prince album of the 90's. You have to know the journey he was on at the time with WB to understand the album. Plus it is by far superior to Musicology in all ways. Listen to it again closely. Its a very personal album and straight forward, hence the black and white theme.

oooooooooh a teensy bit patronising

thedance said:

Insane:

Come is an excellent album.

you must be deaf... try and listen again, do your homework.

Awww I'm deaf now? CRAP! How will I ever jam to Musicology again??!!!!

I plan on giving the album another listen when ny hearing comes back

NikkiAndTheRevolution said:

thedance said:

Insane:

Come is an excellent album.

you must be deaf... try and listen again, do your homework.

Awww I'm deaf now? CRAP! How will I ever jam to Musicology again??!!!!

I plan on giving the album another listen when ny hearing comes back

At least you have a sense of humor.

I like that! I like that real well.

My sense of humor showed in the "RIP Giraffe" thread.

So that makes up for everything.

Come is an album I have intentionally underrated for some reason. I love this album!I would have to rate it higher than Musicology BY far!

It's one of the 'Darkest' era's for Prince. I consider this to be 'darker' than the Black Album, but maybe that's why he agreed to let Warner's release it around the same time?

The title track is one of the best things I heard in my life! !! It's a story with a beginning, middle, and end. He told it perfectly! Just a sexy song that is a panties dropper! Hahaha. I think this is one of his most seductive and powerful track he did in the 90's. He really put together one of the best jazzy, seductive, mesmerizing tracks EVER in his life. I mean Damn! Those horns! He is possessed on this track. Haha

Space has become one of my favorite songs! I love how it fades into 'Space'. Space The Acoustic remix is the definitive version for me. It just gets better which each listen! One of my favorites from Prince. So good! Each version is good! It just has that feel and flow that makes it a HEAD BUSTER! I can never get tired of it!

Pheromone is amazing! The lyrics paint a perfect picture and story. One of his best S&M songs! He totally made known what he meant by the explicit lyrics. lol. I love the production. It's just amazing!

Solo is one of my favorite tracks to listen to! SO much emotion, and his register is so powerful here. He has never done anything like this before of since. Some compare it to 'God' but this song is even more stronger to me. So beautiful and dark. Sounds like a slave hymn or something. I get it, and don't understand why its not recognized as a beautiful track around here? lol

I could really go on and on..While comparing it to Musicology!

Which is an amazing album as well. 'Come' grew on me quite a bit. I would put it as one of his best works. A dark and controversial time for him legally, but he came with some amazing material during this time. I really wish the original configuration was the one released. I could go without 'Race' for 'Strays Of The World' but that's another topic. Race is still good, but Come could have been much larger if they included all of the tracks...BUT Warner's were already pretty pissed..and Prince had died. Haha

BETTER than musicology, but I could not even compare the two really..lol

They are so Distinctive and sound nothing alike.

This is one of the strangest albums to compare, not in a bad way. But it almost as if they were produced from different people? lol

jonylawson said:

joyinrepetition said:

Come is quite easily one, if not the best Prince album of the 90's. You have to know the journey he was on at the time with WB to understand the album. Plus it is by far superior to Musicology in all ways. Listen to it again closely. Its a very personal album and straight forward, hence the black and white theme.

oooooooooh a teensy bit patronising

Nooooo Jony, not at all. Just trying to help out our youngin's.

joyinrepetition said:

jonylawson said:

oooooooooh a teensy bit patronising

Nooooo Jony, not at all. Just trying to help out our youngin's.

haha okay

i guess it does add a depth if you knew the story behind it.

Cinny said:

It's so funny after reading Hahn's Possessed biography, Come was described as a contract filler to dead the name Prince while simultaneously releasing The Gold Experience as which was full of strong material and contained the hit "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World". Of course Warner Bros never released two Prince albums at the same time, but I do remember being surprised by the backlash from critics in magazines back then. I wonder if Prince knows how much impact the single actually had with listeners. It seemed to be a time too turbulent to enjoy the success.

Where I'm from "Letitgo" was a huge hit on mainstream radio, as big as "7" at least, and I bought the cassingle. I was only 13 so I was in that 'Youth Market' the industry is always going on about...

The songs on the single, "Letitgo" and "Solo" are still my favorite on the album.

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Hey, thanks for the photo. Hadn't seen the single covers before.

Yeah, I think people generally sweep over the '90s era, but fans were still acquired during that time, as you pointed out you bought this at 13. I loved the album. And rialb even became a fan because of "Chaos and Disorder"! Go figure.

EyeJester7 said:

Solo is one of my favorite tracks to listen to! SO much emotion, and his register is so powerful here. He has never done anything like this before of since. Some compare it to 'God' but this song is even more stronger to me. So beautiful and dark. Sounds like a slave hymn or something. I get it, and don't understand why its not recognized as a beautiful track around here? lol

This is one of the strangest albums to compare, not in a bad way. But it almost as if they were produced from different people? lol

Yes, I agree about Solo, very nice, haunting, like a slave hymn ("negro spiritual") and early blues singing. Yes, lots of Prince stuff sound like they're from different people - I often meet people who "don't like Prince," but I'm always able to find something of his in the style that they like, and they're surprised. lol haha

Spinlight said:

If you don't get the sexual stuff, ya shouldn't bother listening to Prince.

But that would suggest that the quality of the music alone isn't of any value.

I was a very "young" 13yo when I first discovered Prince and years went by before I understood half of what he was saying - most of it went completely over my head. I just liked how it sounded.

I must have been about 15 when Come came out and I'm glad I gave it a miss at the time (from memory, the titles alone put me off). It dropped off my radar for many years and I actually only listened to it for the first time a couple of years ago.

If I'd heard it when I was a teenager, I'm sure I wouldn't have liked it. But as an adult, I appreciated it a lot more. That said, this thread has prompted me to go and listen to it again. As much as I enjoyed it, I certainly wasn't particularly taken by it, so I may just need to give it a bit more time (or perhaps it's just not for me).

All of that said, the irony is that, oblivious to all the politics going on behind the scenes, instead of Come, I ended up buying The Black Album. I played that tape until it was worn out and it was only a few years ago that I listened to it again, and was almost crying, laughing at all the references that I'd missed in all those listens, back when I wondered what sort of party it wasn't

artist76 said:

the COME album poster:

Yeah that's me on a bad day haha!

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I love the music on COME a lot.

And I love the cover artwork too.

I am alway shocked to see how many people love the album COME. [BobGeorge edit ]

I find it so meh in comparison to The Gold Experience, and even the tracks that I like seem mixed lazily. The title track itself is messy, overblown, and drab. It's like he threw everything and the kitchen sink at it, but the boring drum and bass on it just don't do it for me.

The ocean interludes and the whispering sound like somethign Robin Power would put on one of her STRANGE youtube videos.

That being said, I need to listen to it in its entirety again. I didn't like Musicology either, but gave it a spin a few weeks back, and really liked it (for the first time ever). Maybe the same will happen for COME. Hope springs eternal.

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imago said:

BobGeorge909 said:

imago said:

I am alway shocked to see how many people love COME.

It always surprises me when the occasional woman just ADORES come. The appeal of it is something I don't understand. Ba-dum tisssss! [Edited 5/4/12 7:40am]

BobGeorge909 said:

This is a good album & when it came out I was in my early 20's & a heavy pot-head. I so wish I could smoke a half a joint & just blast the first 3 tracks but I can't i'm in mass transit!

Chiquetet said:

Spinlight said:

If you don't get the sexual stuff, ya shouldn't bother listening to Prince.

But that would suggest that the quality of the music alone isn't of any value.

I was a very "young" 13yo when I first discovered Prince and years went by before I understood half of what he was saying - most of it went completely over my head. I just liked how it sounded.

I must have been about 15 when Come came out and I'm glad I gave it a miss at the time (from memory, the titles alone put me off). It dropped off my radar for many years and I actually only listened to it for the first time a couple of years ago.

If I'd heard it when I was a teenager, I'm sure I wouldn't have liked it. But as an adult, I appreciated it a lot more. That said, this thread has prompted me to go and listen to it again. As much as I enjoyed it, I certainly wasn't particularly taken by it, so I may just need to give it a bit more time (or perhaps it's just not for me).

All of that said, the irony is that, oblivious to all the politics going on behind the scenes, instead of Come, I ended up buying The Black Album. I played that tape until it was worn out and it was only a few years ago that I listened to it again, and was almost crying, laughing at all the references that I'd missed in all those listens, back when I wondered what sort of party it wasn't

Good post!

I don't think it says anything about the value of the music, though, other than that appreciating certain aspects increases enjoyment and understanding. Come was the first record of Prince's that I bought on the day it came out. I was 12 years old. I didn't even know what an Orgasm was so the thing itself went way over my head - though I did find the Private Joy solo easter egg to be AMAZEBALLS at the time. And really the only aspects of the album I did not already understand were specific terms or phrases.

It'd be cool if the younger crowd approached things with a more open mind rather than to shun the older material simply because its older. You don't have to appreciate "vintage" music or even the whole of Prince's library to groove to Come. It's a fucking great record, it always has been, and people have (very slowly) "come" to appreciate it. For many years, that was not the case. P.org's memory is a little convenient with things like that, though.

My issue was with the word "creepy"... There's nothing creepy about consenting adults fucking. And I don't care if you play with loaded guns and bandanas during your sex sessions. If you wanna tell a story about it, I'm all ears!

lastdecember said:

rialb said:

I like both albums but Come wins because of "Come." Awesome track, especially from about 9:05 till the end. LOVE the horns!

It doesn't really stand out now but the first time I heard Come it sounded really different than anything else he had ever done, before or after. Compared to other albums from around the same era (Diamonds and Pearls, , The Gold Experience, Chaos and Disorder) it definitely has a unique sound. I would guess that it has more, and different sounding, drum machines and some different keyboard sounds than those other albums which mostly feature live drums.

I actually prefer the original version of "COME" the version that is featured in the "Beautiful Experience" not a big fan of the version on this album way too drawn out and to me to open with a long track like that was instant death for this album. I also prefer the original track listing to the released one, basically there are a few versions rolling around but the version that opened with "poem" dropped off "Orgasm" all the segues were in the "Poem" track, "Letitgo" was not on this version which was good, always felt that song dragged the record down. And included was the track "strays of world" and "Endorphinemachine" now i prefer the version on the GE album i like its inclusion here more the same goes for "Dolphin" i thought it actually went better on the "Come" album and not GOLD

gotta agree with that. i think this, and the fact that the album closes on 'orgasm' made it feel very

much like just a collection of tracks. there were no strong book ends to this album. if it had opened

with the 'electro' version of "come", or the one on '10.000 wallpaper', it would have been a great

way to open up the album and draw people in.

then the final track should have been "strays of the world", probably. i don't care for it too much,

but it works well as a closing track.

also, "strays" and "dolphin" (which is fine on the gold experience imo) could have worked as a bit

of a bridge between come and gold, since they share similar sounds and ideas.

all in all, i think that in the end, he took too many songs off both those albums. "interactive" and

"acknowledge me" should have been released at that time. "what's my name" would have been a

perfect fit on the come album as well. just like "days of wild" should have been on gold.

both albums, 15 tracks each. released with proper promotion, without the whole warners war, he

could have had some huge, huge hits. coming hot on the tracks of the global succes of TMBGITW,

he could have scored some monster hits and gotten great exposure for his 'new' sound.

I think Come is a dark and depressing album, symbolising the death of Prince. Intended as such so in that respect I guess you could call it a succes. It tries to start and end on a light note but fails. The title song was much better in its original form and the "hit single" wasn't a hit. A lot of symbolism and interesting lyrics but except for Space strangely still cold and void of joy. The impression it lasted on me in all its weirdness was that Prince had gone insane as he says in Solo. Musically it's good, but next to selling badly, none of the songs are truly on par with his best 80's work. It would also be one of the last Prince albums I would play for friends let alone at a party. I think it would have gone better in an edited double album together with the Gold Experience.

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Cinny said:

I am telling you "Letitgo" was a hit! I wasn't even checking for Prince yet, and it was played on a mainstream pop station that only played songs once they had already had some buzz or success.

If top 40 means a hit (that's a P lyric isn't it?) then I guess you are right. But be real, Letitgo failed.

Letitgo was not a hit here in the Uk (peaked at 30)

Direct quote from

scififilmnerd

"Prince.org exclusive: Ultimate Come" 24/08/2009

"Letitgo only reached number 31 on the Pop Chart and number 10 on the R&B Chart. put the blame on Warner Bros. in an interview with The Guardian in March 1995. "If they don't want to promote a song, they don't make the effort to cross it over into other markets and the fans don't get to know it," he said.
"Now if Letitgo sold two million like The Most Beautiful Girl In The World did, people wouldn't be saying that I'm slippin'," he added in The Voice in March 1995. "But to sell two million, the dudes gotta PRESS two million copies, see what I mean?"

I've recently rediscovered this album and love it. LOVE IT. FUCKING LOVE IT!!!! It is absolute genuis imo.

Tremolina said:

Cinny said:

I am telling you "Letitgo" was a hit! I wasn't even checking for Prince yet, and it was played on a mainstream pop station that only played songs once they had already had some buzz or success.

I was living in k-town Germany at the time. I remember that several tracks from , aka Love Symbol, were played the previous year.

And, letitgo was played for all of a week, maybe. It failed to make an impact there on German and American radio. I remember thinking the song was a bside.

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IstenSzek said:

gotta agree with that. i think this, and the fact that the album closes on 'orgasm' made it feel very

much like just a collection of tracks. there were no strong book ends to this album. if it had opened

with the 'electro' version of "come", or the one on '10.000 wallpaper', it would have been a great

way to open up the album and draw people in.

then the final track should have been "strays of the world", probably. i don't care for it too much,

but it works well as a closing track.

also, "strays" and "dolphin" (which is fine on the gold experience imo) could have worked as a bit

of a bridge between come and gold, since they share similar sounds and ideas.

all in all, i think that in the end, he took too many songs off both those albums. "interactive" and

"acknowledge me" should have been released at that time. "what's my name" would have been a

perfect fit on the come album as well. just like "days of wild" should have been on gold.

both albums, 15 tracks each. released with proper promotion, without the whole warners war, he

could have had some huge, huge hits. coming hot on the tracks of the global succes of TMBGITW,

he could have scored some monster hits and gotten great exposure for his 'new' sound.

Maybe, it certainly would have pleased the hardcore fans. I usually side with WB but it really is too bad that they couldn't realise that Prince was in a very creative and fertile period and just released as much music as possible. There's no doubt that if Come and The Gold Experience had been released on the heels of "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World" that both albums would have sold better. With Guns 'n Roses (Use Your Illusion[s]) and Bruce Springsteen (Human Touch and Lucky Town) there was recent precedent for artists simultaneously releasing two separate albums on the same day. If they could do it why not Prince?