KCOOLMUZIQ said:

2elijah said:

(::Violins playing 'Cry me a friggin river....again':: ). Yeah but you complain all the time about any and everything when it comes to Prince's band, music, and the list goes on with you, so your complaint is just the same old, same old. Nothing new with you. At the end of the day, the one calling the shots for the band, is the one who will be making the decision as to who gets to perform in the band. So why are you knocking yourself out worried about it when you have no control over the matter? You either go to the show or you don't go if either is your personal decision. That's basically the bottom line.

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Its no use getting through to that person, tried in another thread...

Well, everyone has their personal tastes in music/musicians/artists, nothing wrong with that, but at the end of the day, guess who is going to be the one to have the final say. as to who is going to be in his band, as well as, the one hiring/inviting them to perform on stage with him? You guessed it right....the one who calls the shots. That's pretty much it.

nursev said:

Let me say this and then I'm done with this topic. For about 7 yrs from 93 to 2000 I did not follow Prince's music. I lived my life, enjoyed other artist and their work. Yes Prince is a musical genius, but he is not the only music that's good out there. I said that too say this...Fans don't have to continue being fans. We have other choices to spend our money and precious time on. Take advice from people who have supported you for 30 yrs. When we buy tickets we wanna see and hear the artist we paid to see-not background singers or use to be relevant bass players or flavors of the month singer/guitar players. "We Want Prince."

Yes and I also believe some of the obsessed fans should do just that. Go checkout George Clinton, Bowie etc. For some of the folks on here I would say it would almost be therapeutic!

mrsquirrel said:

which bit was Ice Cream Castle?

the keyboard line melody b4 prince and shelby start singing the lyrics 2 mutiny

Genesia said:

80spfantwp said:

You know when your kid(s) are all grown up and 'independent' yet still live at home? It's time for them to 'spread their wings' but you don't like to say.........

Yeah, right. Because Prince has had so much trouble kicking people out of the nest.

Ha he could rerecord "the Bird" and release it on vinyl, the artwork could be a big middle finger.

2elijah said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Its no use getting through to that person, tried in another thread...

Well, everyone has their personal tastes in music/musicians/artists, nothing wrong with that, but at the end of the day, guess who is going to be the one to have the final say. as to who is going to be in his band, as well as, the one hiring/inviting them to perform on stage with him? You guessed it right....the one who calls the shots. That's pretty much it.

True! That is why don't understand why they keep complaining? As long as have been a fan. know Prince is going to do what he wants anyway. As long as he is happy am. With MJ gone & now Whitney U would think they would appreciate what they have. But they never will. Sorry to say.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

2elijah said:

Well, everyone has their personal tastes in music/musicians/artists, nothing wrong with that, but at the end of the day, guess who is going to be the one to have the final say. as to who is going to be in his band, as well as, the one hiring/inviting them to perform on stage with him? You guessed it right....the one who calls the shots. That's pretty much it.

True! That is why don't understand why they keep complaining? As long as have been a fan. know Prince is going to do what he wants anyway. As long as he is happy am. With MJ gone & now Whitney U would think they would appreciate what they have. But they never will. Sorry to say.

Well, you can't worry for someone else. Not everyone is going to like the same things...that's unrealistic, even for someone's favorite artist. I doubt any musician/artist can please all of their fans, as that too is unreallstic. Some fans develop an admiration over the years for their favorite artist(s), and somehow only want to see that particular musician/artist on stage, without too much involvement from band members, but fans are not involved in the setup of the shows or band line-up. Constructive criticism is one thing, but why would a musician respect the personal wishes of any fan, if they're trashing and bashing one of his respected band members to the lowest degree, then expects that musician to honor their requests or advice? The show setup is up to the musician/artist, and how he or she wants to present their show. I don't recall Prince in particular ever performing without the involvement of some of his band members, in his performances where their presence wasn't noticeable, so it's not like he was always on stage performing without some of his bandmembers/dancers sharing the spotlight with him. The reason the Revolution members are the most remembered, is because of the Purple Rain movie. If any of the current band members were in that movie, the same would have happened to them at that level, but times have changed, and musicians/artists move on and many change band members.

Anyway, after the W&L era. Sheila E and Cat's talents were definitely showcased, during the SOTTs/Lovesexy eras, and band members during the 90s NPG era, Musicology, with Candy and Rhonda standing out, singing along with him;Chance showing off his dancing skills/and occasional hype person during that time period. Then there was the 3121 era with Tamar/The Twinz;then Shelby J got on board after Tamar, along ,with the Twinz, and Marva (background singer), was an occasional background singer during some of those shows.

Then Liv and Elisa came on board, and the occasional harmonica player, etc., and all the other invited, established, known artists that opened/performed during the W2A/W2E/W2C, etc., and then some. He gave Sheila E her spotlight moments during part of the W2A tour, and Misty as well. During the W2A shows, he did do some piano medleys, without the background singers at center stage, and sang songs where the spotlight was just on him, (i.e., Gingerbread Man performance, just to name one). So it's not like his background singers was/are always in the spotlight when he sang a song during his performances.

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nursev said:

Let me say this and then I'm done with this topic. For about 7 yrs from 93 to 2000 I did not follow Prince's music. I lived my life, enjoyed other artist and their work. Yes Prince is a musical genius, but he is not the only music that's good out there. I said that too say this...Fans don't have to continue being fans. We have other choices to spend our money and precious time on. Take advice from people who have supported you for 30 yrs. When we buy tickets we wanna see and hear the artist we paid to see-not background singers or use to be relevant bass players or flavors of the month singer/guitar players. "We Want Prince."

[Edited 4/24/12 17:47pm]

Preach Nursey!

L4OATheOriginal said:

They're MPLS keyboards, just not 1986 MPLS keyboards.

With Prince it's a strange (close but not exactly an Axl Rose like dimela) when it involves the Revolution. Many of the people on the org can rattle off various members into the 90s+ but the avg idiot that owns the greatest hits and a couple of P albums in the 80s know "the Revolution" Wendy/Lisa, The Time, Sheila E. Just like they know Coca-Cola or Ajax. Some things/brands become household names other brands do not and that's life and really Prince in itself is a brand. People will always pay to see Prince, the good % of concert goers don't even know who is in his current band nor do they care.

2elijah said:

Well, you can't worry for someone else. Not everyone is going to like the same things...that's unrealistic, even for someone's favorite artist. I doubt any musician/artist can please all of their fans, as that too is unreallstic. Some fans develop an admiration over the years for their favorite artist(s), and somehow only want to see that particular musician/artist on stage, without too much involvement from band members, but fans are not involved in the setup of the shows or band line-up. That's up to the musician/artist, how he or she wants to present their show. I don't recall Prince in particular ever performing without the involvement of some of his band members, in his performances where their presence wasn't noticeable, so it's not like he was always on stage performing without some of his bandmembers/dancers sharing the spotlight with him.

Especially after the W&L era. Sheila E and Cat's talents were definitely showcased, during the SOTTs/Lovesexy eras, and band members during the 90s NPG era, Musicology, with Candy and Rhonda standing out, singing along with him;Chance showing off his dancing skills/and occasional hype person during that time period. Then there was the 3121 era with Tamar/The Twinz;then Shelby J got on board after Tamar, along ,with the Twinz, and Marva (background singer), was an occasional background singer during some of those shows.

Then Liv and Elisa came on board, and the occasional harmonica player, etc., and all the other invited, established, known artists that opened/performed during the W2A/W2E/W2C, etc., and then some. He gave Sheila E her spotlight moments during part of the W2A tour, and Misty as well. During the W2A shows, he did do some piano medleys, without the background singers at center stage, and sang songs where the spotlight was just on him, (i.e., Gingerbread Man performance, just to name one). So it's not like his background singers was/are always in the spotlight when he sang a song during his performances.

stillwaiting said:

Interesting opinon, and I respond in bold.

Mindflux said:

Wow - what a great reminder this thread is as to why I don't frequent this place so much anymore. Like a bunch of whining kids in a playground, trying to either get one over each other or professing to know everything that Prince does/ever did and what he should or shouldn't do. Let's be honest here, most of what you proclaim to know you read in a book! Its not first-hand knowledge. You weren't there, you've read what someone else wrote.

I actually have been lucky enough to know many of the people who have been in the Prince camp. Not just some sound guy or something, but multiple major principles in his career. Some have some very interesting off the record things to say. Mostly gripes about not getting paid by Prince, or being treated like royalty one minute only to be crapped on the next minute. Many of these people share my opinons about his business decisions, but confirm that after Purple Rain blew up, he only had yes men around him. Most agree that 1985-1988 had Prince's best music of his career, but how he released it and marketed it was just plain career suicide. Even Alan Leeds has written extensively about begging him to tour for SOTT.

Most of you don't make music, you have no idea about creating music or even jamming with a band. "But, I don't have to be a musician to criticise music", you scream. Maybe so, but it would sure help if you had some sort of credential to back up those inane statements! All you really know is what YOU like and what YOU think would be best for Prince (or, really, what would be best for you).

Since many of my ideas and business concepts have been complimented by those in the know, make me believe that I can make any statement I want. It doesn't mean I'm right or wrong, but my point of view has been looked upon as someone with a complete understanding of Prince's career. I am a songwriter, and a good judge of talent. Tony M may not be the Devil as I sometimes paint him, but I have not met one person that ever said they became a Prince fan because of Shelby or Tony M.

Certainly none of you have a 30-year music career behind you (neither do many professional musicians!), yet you feel well-placed to say that you know what's best, be that musically or business-wise

Again, my discussions with many in the business have made myself aware that some of my ideas would've resulted in more money and critical acclaim for Prince than where his own decisions have taken him. Prince's experience wasn't enough to save him from the flop of "Graffiti Bridge." To this day, he still thinks it is a great movie. More power to him. I think the movie is horrible.

At the end of the day, its actually all just about YOUR preference.

That is the truth. Despite my proclamation that I feel my ideas for Prince would've been better for his career, I have to admit, that his music gives me joy on a daily basis. I live and die with his music. Sometimes I take it too seriously. When I see Elton John, U2, and previously, Michael Jackson running their careers with better decisions, I get jealous for Prince. As much as I like the music in the Title Track of New Power Soul, I get a good laugh out of the "New Power Booty" lyric. That would've remained in the vault if I was in charge, and we'd all be enjoying the original Old Friends 4 Sale and Witness 4 The Prosecution instead.

Enjoy yourselves

I will. I said his music gives me joy, and nothing can stop that. Despite cringing at some of Prince's decisions, I gladly accept that I can't change what I can't change, but still reserve the right to give my opinions here. Some will agree, some will call me a hater. I still play "Future Soul Song," at least a few times a month, and can't wait for his next album.

[Edited 4/24/12 16:56pm] My spelling is getting worsr with ege. I don't have the patience to edit this much moree.

[Edited 4/24/12 17:03pm]

That makes you one of the few cognoscenti and is why I was careful to say "most".

rdhull said:

Mindflux said:

Wow - what a great reminder this thread is as to why I don't frequent this place so much anymore. Like a bunch of whining kids in a playground, trying to either get one over each other or professing to know everything that Prince does/ever did and what he should or shouldn't do. Let's be honest here, most of what you proclaim to know you read in a book! Its not first-hand knowledge. You weren't there, you've read what someone else wrote. I piss myself laughing every time someone says "Go and read Per Neilsen".....right. Look, he wrote some great stuff, it was well researched, but you had nothing to do with it and can't prove half or even most of it. You talk of it as though you investigated it for yourself, but you're just regurgitating someone else's take on things. And, in this case, you are arguing over what? A rehearsal! Jeez....some of you seriously need to get over yourselves.

Most of you don't make music, you have no idea about creating music or even jamming with a band. "But, I don't have to be a musician to criticise music", you scream. Maybe so, but it would sure help if you had some sort of credential to back up those inane statements! All you really know is what YOU like and what YOU think would be best for Prince (or, really, what would be best for you).

Certainly none of you have a 30-year music career behind you (neither do many professional musicians!), yet you feel well-placed to say that you know what's best, be that musically or business-wise (some even go as far as to assuming that they know why Prince does something, or his intent to other people he's known for decades - relationships you've never had any involvement in at all). Its utterly ridiculous. The reality is, you don't know jack (or should that be bo?) and your opinion actually means nothing. Yes, you can have your opinion, you can say you don't like something, but most of you don't stop there, do you? And you proclaim these things as though it gives you some sort of right. Well, you know what, it doesn't! You profess to know why Prince does something, why its bad and what he should have done differently with no credentials to back it up at all. Journalists and publications do this frequently and are usually lambasted for it - its a shame you can't hold that mirror up to yourselves.

At the end of the day, its actually all just about YOUR preference. And, you know what, most of the people in the world and even here on the org don't care about your selfish viewpoints. In my view, you are worse than you proclaim Prince to be - tired, repetetive, unoriginal and distinctly sour. Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but its mostly so baseless, its fucking boring for anyone else with half a brain! I'm not saying there shouldn't be any discussion - far from it. But its the same old same old here and its as predictable and lame as some of you suggest Prince has become.

Enjoy yourselves

Aye Mindflux..what'd you think of the siren?

It gives me bumps

Mindflux said:

rdhull said:

Aye Mindflux..what'd you think of the siren?

It gives me bumps

You should see a doctor. I'm sure there's a cream for that.

nursev said:

Mindflux said:

Wow - what a great reminder this thread is as to why I don't frequent this place so much anymore. Like a bunch of whining kids in a playground, trying to either get one over each other or professing to know everything that Prince does/ever did and what he should or shouldn't do. Let's be honest here, most of what you proclaim to know you read in a book! Its not first-hand knowledge. You weren't there, you've read what someone else wrote. I piss myself laughing every time someone says "Go and read Per Neilsen".....right. Look, he wrote some great stuff, it was well researched, but you had nothing to do with it and can't prove half or even most of it. You talk of it as though you investigated it for yourself, but you're just regurgitating someone else's take on things. And, in this case, you are arguing over what? A rehearsal! Jeez....some of you seriously need to get over yourselves.

Most of you don't make music, you have no idea about creating music or even jamming with a band. "But, I don't have to be a musician to criticise music", you scream. Maybe so, but it would sure help if you had some sort of credential to back up those inane statements! All you really know is what YOU like and what YOU think would be best for Prince (or, really, what would be best for you).

Certainly none of you have a 30-year music career behind you (neither do many professional musicians!), yet you feel well-placed to say that you know what's best, be that musically or business-wise (some even go as far as to assuming that they know why Prince does something, or his intent to other people he's known for decades - relationships you've never had any involvement in at all). Its utterly ridiculous. The reality is, you don't know jack (or should that be bo?) and your opinion actually means nothing. Yes, you can have your opinion, you can say you don't like something, but most of you don't stop there, do you? And you proclaim these things as though it gives you some sort of right. Well, you know what, it doesn't! You profess to know why Prince does something, why its bad and what he should have done differently with no credentials to back it up at all. Journalists and publications do this frequently and are usually lambasted for it - its a shame you can't hold that mirror up to yourselves.

At the end of the day, its actually all just about YOUR preference. And, you know what, most of the people in the world and even here on the org don't care about your selfish viewpoints. In my view, you are worse than you proclaim Prince to be - tired, repetetive, unoriginal and distinctly sour. Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but its mostly so baseless, its fucking boring for anyone else with half a brain! I'm not saying there shouldn't be any discussion - far from it. But its the same old same old here and its as predictable and lame as some of you suggest Prince has become.

Enjoy yourselves

So you wrote a half page essay to tell us that our opinions don't mean shit A person doesn't have to have a music career or thirty years in the biz to know good music all we have to do is be able to hear and differentiate garbage from real music. Obviously there are more people in this thread that feel like Shelby is doing "way too much." I just said what they won't. I still feel she has a beautiful voice, but needs a solo gig.

No, I wrote a few paragraphs lamenting the negativity of some opinions and how self-aggrandising some display themselves to be. I never said you need a music career to know good music and would never suggest it, so please don't put words in my mouth.

I'm surprised you missed the point, as I usually find you on point

NuPwrSoul said:

I think it's just something Prince does, it's actually been said by FDeluxe that Prince sent this and the dance electric rehearsal to them a while ago and asked them to hold onto it until he lets them know when it's cool to share it. Read FDeluxe's Facebook page, I thinks it's pretty cool that Price is doing this with former band mates. He must be stirring up something big.

^ lets hope so.

[Edited 4/24/12 23:25pm]

Pole said:

Does Andy Allo remind, you all, just a little of Boni Boyer?

chewymusic said:

what about this one or this one

I'm

aaaahhhh that's good. I was too

ScissorsRockPaper said:

^ lets hope so.

With this Australian tour in the works, he must be .. I haven't been excited about Prince prospects in a while so this is a welcome change

serpan99 said:

Gotta love it...how cool that Prince is sharing these jams with us thru DrFunkenberry!

Prince is the eternal jam maker, and the host to the most fun and happiest music parties ever!!

Cerebus said:

Mindflux said:

It gives me bumps

You should see a doctor. I'm sure there's a cream for that.

I got a fever and the only prescription is more siren

[Edited 4/25/12 5:48am]

stillwaiting said:

2elijah said:

Nursev, I know we all have our tastes in music, and no one is forced to like any artist's music/talent, but I don't see anything wrong with an artist showcasing the talents of his band members. Maybe 'Madonna' and the late 'Michael Jackson', only wanted the spotlight to shine on them. How many artists have they showcased while on stage with them, that their fans can associate with their names? I can't think of anyone at this point, but I could be wrong.

Shelby is a talented singer who can hold her own and can actually sing. So is Liv. They both have the type of 'soul' in their voices that some folks send their kids for voice lessons/training to try and develop that type of natural, 'soul sound' that both Shelby and Liv have, that can send chills up one's spine,especially when singing live, based on what song and how they present/project it.

That sound seems to come natural for Liv and Shelby, as it did for many well-known soul singers. Seems much of what's being promoted in the music industry today, all sound the same. No distinctive sounds that gives you chills. If you hear Shelby, Liv and Elisa sing a cover of the 'Arms of an Angel', you can hear their natural, strong, distinctive sounds that when they sing together, they harmonize beautifully. That's real talent and all his background singers have demonstrated they could all hold their own, even without Prince having to stand on stage with them, while he's doing his wardrobe change.

If it was Carmen Electra up there today, I would not call her singing talent at all, even if she did/does get by based on her looks, but looks can only last but so long, while real talent can last forever. There's obviously a good reason why Shelby has lasted so long in Prince's band, and it's obvious he's content with her natural, singing talent. Just my two cents.

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I wouldn't care if it was Whitney Houston and Aretha Franklin on backing vocals. If he had Whitney shouting "Put Your Hands Up" 100 times or more a show, it would still be Self-Parody, and a long waste of time. Shelby is very talented. I would buy a solo release if Prince was involved. It's one thing to have someone share a stage, but it's another to plunk down $300 to see Prince, and see somebody else get in the way. I saw Prince 6 times in 2011, and I did not get any of those 3 hour shows LA got on some nights. Every show was 115 minutes or less, and had a bit too much of Shelby, and too many cover songs.

If 65 year old Elton John and 65 year old Dennis DeYoung can sing more full length songs than 53 year old Prince, I'd say that's a problem. As much respect and love I have for Elton John, he doesn't have half of Prince's talent on his little finger, but if you go to an Elton John concert, you get 3 hours and 29 to 32 full length songs, with nobody yelling "Put Your Hands Up." Prince should understand that we are happy to be at his concert, and don't need anybody trying to hype us up.

Same thing with U2...you get 22-25 full length songs without anybody else. And if you saw U2 in New York, Los Angeles, or Raleigh, NC, you did not get less of a show in a smaller town. Prince did some shows around 80 minutes, and at his prices, that's not right.

The only possible point I make that is not that strong is Dennis DeYoung. His show was a little shorter than most Prince shows, but I still think Dennis made much more of his MUCH lesser ability than Prince does with his tremendous talent.

I am near fanatical about at least 10 artists, and Prince is more likely to have a legendary concert than any of them, but he's also more likely to have a crap show than any of them. ONA and Musicology had tons of Magic and few low points every night. On most of his concerts since 2006, Prince gives a little legend, and tends to Go Through The Motions in Diva Mode.

Now if Shelby is in his band another 10 years, you can say at least he was committed to her, but you know she's gonna be out of the band sooner or later singing at a truck stop with Andy Allo. Actually, I hope Shelby has much success after Prince turns her loose, but can we think of anybody Prince has cut loose that has had anything close to a career? Nope.

I kinda agree with you. I think Shelby(but also Andy...) should not get all the attention in PRINCE his show. I mean people pay to see Prince and not Shelby. I think it's annoying when Shelby and the other back up singers(Liv, Andy, etc) are performing the first 30 + minutes... this happened to me a couple of times last year when I went to 6 -Prince- shows. for example one show was 2 hours but first 30 minutes was Shelby and co. So I only got 90/80 minutes Prince. I payed a lot of money... and this didn't happen once, this happend with 3 concerts from the 6 concerts I've seen last year. Other 3 were the North Sea Jazz concerts, so you know... those were special.And yes, it's true. Prince gives legendary concerts -sometimes- but also one of the worst concerts ever. You never know what he is going to do. It can be cool, but also very annoying. Because you still pay a lot of money to see him every time. Some shows were the best ever, and some of the shows were the worst ever. Shelby is talented, I like her. But when I go to see Prince live in concert, I want to see PRINCE, entire show.Also the length of the shows are very different, then he does a 2 hour show, then he does a 80 minutes show, and then he does 3 hour show. Sometimes it's cool.... but sometimes it frustrating, because you pay a lot of money. It should be better if he had sort of standard every show, that he would do a 2,5 hour or 2 hour show, every show.I've seen quite a lot of artists in my life. I'm still very young, but I can my own option about music or concerts. No matter what, Prince will always be my favorite male artist, and after Madonna my most favorite artist of all time. But I don't like every little thing he does.

Anyway, I don't feel this jam. It's ok. I liked the Dance Electric jam more.

I love the jamming out..its hot and what I think is missing in his current music..the extended funk jams... wish he came out with the extended 20Ten album.

Mindflux said:

rdhull said:

Aye Mindflux..what'd you think of the siren?

It gives me bumps

I prefer the siren over the whistle.

NeonCraxx said:

I prefer the siren over the whistle.

Im torn. Im not sure . They both get me hyped.

Whislte used in Bad Girls, Paradise City etc.

Siren means that it's heating up and a party goin on..uised in Smooth Criminal, 1999 tour etc

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Genesia said:

Yeah, some really hideous screaming (a la the Trojan Horse Forever In My Life) would be such an improvement.

You named ONE song, ONE performance versus practically every fuckin' night and every performance with Shelby "Put yo' hands up" J. Not even close.

All the Nude tour shows are also filled with her annoying shouting and wailing

They both suck ass

rdhull said:

That's what I'm saying. I thought old school fans would love the whistle since it was on those song. I couldn't think of the song at the time so I couldn't point that out.

Dewrede said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Genesia said: You named ONE song, ONE performance versus practically every fuckin' night and every performance with Shelby "Put yo' hands up" J. Not even close.

All the Nude tour shows are also filled with her annoying shouting and wailing

They both suck ass

Ummm....wasn't it Rosie Gaines on the Nude Tour?

xLiberiangirl said:

stillwaiting said:

I wouldn't care if it was Whitney Houston and Aretha Franklin on backing vocals. If he had Whitney shouting "Put Your Hands Up" 100 times or more a show, it would still be Self-Parody, and a long waste of time. Shelby is very talented. I would buy a solo release if Prince was involved. It's one thing to have someone share a stage, but it's another to plunk down $300 to see Prince, and see somebody else get in the way. I saw Prince 6 times in 2011, and I did not get any of those 3 hour shows LA got on some nights. Every show was 115 minutes or less, and had a bit too much of Shelby, and too many cover songs.

If 65 year old Elton John and 65 year old Dennis DeYoung can sing more full length songs than 53 year old Prince, I'd say that's a problem. As much respect and love I have for Elton John, he doesn't have half of Prince's talent on his little finger, but if you go to an Elton John concert, you get 3 hours and 29 to 32 full length songs, with nobody yelling "Put Your Hands Up." Prince should understand that we are happy to be at his concert, and don't need anybody trying to hype us up.

Same thing with U2...you get 22-25 full length songs without anybody else. And if you saw U2 in New York, Los Angeles, or Raleigh, NC, you did not get less of a show in a smaller town. Prince did some shows around 80 minutes, and at his prices, that's not right.

The only possible point I make that is not that strong is Dennis DeYoung. His show was a little shorter than most Prince shows, but I still think Dennis made much more of his MUCH lesser ability than Prince does with his tremendous talent.

I am near fanatical about at least 10 artists, and Prince is more likely to have a legendary concert than any of them, but he's also more likely to have a crap show than any of them. ONA and Musicology had tons of Magic and few low points every night. On most of his concerts since 2006, Prince gives a little legend, and tends to Go Through The Motions in Diva Mode.

Now if Shelby is in his band another 10 years, you can say at least he was committed to her, but you know she's gonna be out of the band sooner or later singing at a truck stop with Andy Allo. Actually, I hope Shelby has much success after Prince turns her loose, but can we think of anybody Prince has cut loose that has had anything close to a career? Nope.

I kinda agree with you. I think Shelby(but also Andy...) should not get all the attention in PRINCE his show. I mean people pay to see Prince and not Shelby. I think it's annoying when Shelby and the other back up singers(Liv, Andy, etc) are performing the first 30 + minutes... this happened to me a couple of times last year when I went to 6 -Prince- shows. for example one show was 2 hours but first 30 minutes was Shelby and co. So I only got 90/80 minutes Prince. I payed a lot of money... and this didn't happen once, this happend with 3 concerts from the 6 concerts I've seen last year. Other 3 were the North Sea Jazz concerts, so you know... those were special.And yes, it's true. Prince gives legendary concerts -sometimes- but also one of the worst concerts ever. You never know what he is going to do. It can be cool, but also very annoying. Because you still pay a lot of money to see him every time. Some shows were the best ever, and some of the shows were the worst ever. Shelby is talented, I like her. But when I go to see Prince live in concert, I want to see PRINCE, entire show.Also the length of the shows are very different, then he does a 2 hour show, then he does a 80 minutes show, and then he does 3 hour show. Sometimes it's cool.... but sometimes it frustrating, because you pay a lot of money. It should be better if he had sort of standard every show, that he would do a 2,5 hour or 2 hour show, every show.I've seen quite a lot of artists in my life. I'm still very young, but I can my own option about music or concerts. No matter what, Prince will always be my favorite male artist, and after Madonna my most favorite artist of all time. But I don't like every little thing he does.

Anyway, I don't feel this jam. It's ok. I liked the Dance Electric jam more.

The amount of org members who have friended every single Prince protege and associated artist on Facebook speaks that these artists past and present are wanted. Now if it's not for their various talents then it points out that most of us are just a bunch of stalkers glomming onto anyone who can give us an insight into Prince. Andy Allo's 'likes' have more than doubled in her time with the NPG. Now everyone has had enough of her. So if nobody wants these people around then stop bigging them up on social media in hopes that you get a juicy tidbit from one of them.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Prince and the Time really have history that goes way back. I don't believe this is Prince being an asshole! I tend to believe things have never changed and this is just whats left of his competitive spirit coming out. Actually, after the Warner fued he was so much on coast that it's sort of cool to see him try to bring it. But kind of sad that when he brought it. Though some people believe he failed, I would not buy that completely cuz the "Dance Electric" to me was cool.

Now, Imo P's new band has improved and I also believe it's tough to tell how good they will be from rehearsal tape, I'm looking forward to the upcoming shows!!! "Dance Electric" it's quality jam.

MD, Jerome, Jellybean, Monte, Jam and Lewis. They have been around forever and they now how to work a crowd. I would tend to believe this would be a good test for P's newer band??? Can P's new band outwork the Time a band with a 30+ year history with a bunch of hits, a band that can and will bring the funk every night! Why would Prince not want them to open for him??? This would only raise the bar for his newer band. I'm sure the NPG Trio along with Maceo and Renato could easily compete with the Time!! But could Andy Allo? Shelby? All the newbies etc bring the Funk? From what I've seen so far I don't believe they can. BUT I also really thought they improved with "Dance Electric!" Which makes me wonder, Maybe Prince is just trying to put together some mediocre musicians and work them into his own version of the Funk. Why fuck around when you could have Larry G on bass, Michael B on drums, Maceo Parker, Renato?? on and on? Why fuck around with a sound guy that fucks up so much that your audience knows his name??? Ya know?

If P did tell "the Time" no tour. I think they should just move on. Go to the promoters. Play some shows with the Family and W&L. Play some shows with the likes of George Clinton, Jamiroquai. At this point I would be more excited over some lineup like that vs. P's group.

The Time have hardly been together 30 plus years. They opened on the Controversy tour, most of the 1999 tour, when Prince didn't let them open some shows in big markets due to them kicking the Revolution's ass. This is a band that has not even played 200 concerts as a full unit. Morris, Jellybean, and Monte have played at least 500 shows or more together as the "Part Time."

Despite this, The Time would blow Prince's band off the stage. Sadly, The Time have copied Prince when it comes to medleys and coasting a bit. Still, despite the medleys, with the Time, you get a more cohesive band. Prince has better songs, so his show would still be better, but from a musician's stance, The Time would be better.

jackmitz said:

Dewrede said:

All the Nude tour shows are also filled with her annoying shouting and wailing

They both suck ass

Ummm....wasn't it Rosie Gaines on the Nude Tour?

Yes it was, and to me the best live versions of Alphabet Street and Baby I'm a Star was with Rosie taking leads on some parts at the Tokyo show.

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