You know when your kid(s) are all grown up and 'independent' yet still live at home? It's time for them to 'spread their wings' but you don't like to say.........

80spfantwp said:

You know when your kid(s) are all grown up and 'independent' yet still live at home? It's time for them to 'spread their wings' but you don't like to say.........

Yeah, right. Because Prince has had so much trouble kicking people out of the nest.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

jackmitz said:

Word. Not to disrespect the dead, but Boni Boyer often sounded like a Mavis Staples reject with a dog's squeaky toy caught in her throat. And, while Rosie was often great (I LOVE 'Closer than Close'), she was somewhat one-dimensional.

Shelby is a super talent. Her voice is fierce, and her stage energy is uplifting.

Well I wasn't speaking about either of them. I have a boot that was single handedly destroyed by the loud off key singing of Wendy through most of the friggin show. I've been told it was her as I wasn't there at this show in Paris 1986. That being said, Boni could get a little screechy at times.

But my point remains the same. I'd rather hear someone like Rosie or Shelby sing on key rather than someone singing off key.

::: waits for somene to praise the greatness of loud, flat, off key singing because Wendy was name checked as a perpetrator ::::

I'm ain't mad at cha

Mindflux said:

Wow - what a great reminder this thread is as to why I don't frequent this place so much anymore. Like a bunch of whining kids in a playground, trying to either get one over each other or professing to know everything that Prince does/ever did and what he should or shouldn't do. Let's be honest here, most of what you proclaim to know you read in a book! Its not first-hand knowledge. You weren't there, you've read what someone else wrote. I piss myself laughing every time someone says "Go and read Per Neilsen".....right. Look, he wrote some great stuff, it was well researched, but you had nothing to do with it and can't prove half or even most of it. You talk of it as though you investigated it for yourself, but you're just regurgitating someone else's take on things. And, in this case, you are arguing over what? A rehearsal! Jeez....some of you seriously need to get over yourselves.

Most of you don't make music, you have no idea about creating music or even jamming with a band. "But, I don't have to be a musician to criticise music", you scream. Maybe so, but it would sure help if you had some sort of credential to back up those inane statements! All you really know is what YOU like and what YOU think would be best for Prince (or, really, what would be best for you).

Certainly none of you have a 30-year music career behind you (neither do many professional musicians!), yet you feel well-placed to say that you know what's best, be that musically or business-wise (some even go as far as to assuming that they know why Prince does something, or his intent to other people he's known for decades - relationships you've never had any involvement in at all). Its utterly ridiculous. The reality is, you don't know jack (or should that be bo?) and your opinion actually means nothing. Yes, you can have your opinion, you can say you don't like something, but most of you don't stop there, do you? And you proclaim these things as though it gives you some sort of right. Well, you know what, it doesn't! You profess to know why Prince does something, why its bad and what he should have done differently with no credentials to back it up at all. Journalists and publications do this frequently and are usually lambasted for it - its a shame you can't hold that mirror up to yourselves.

At the end of the day, its actually all just about YOUR preference. And, you know what, most of the people in the world and even here on the org don't care about your selfish viewpoints. In my view, you are worse than you proclaim Prince to be - tired, repetetive, unoriginal and distinctly sour. Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but its mostly so baseless, its fucking boring for anyone else with half a brain! I'm not saying there shouldn't be any discussion - far from it. But its the same old same old here and its as predictable and lame as some of you suggest Prince has become.

Enjoy yourselves

Mindflux said:

Wow - what a great reminder this thread is as to why I don't frequent this place so much anymore. Like a bunch of whining kids in a playground, trying to either get one over each other or professing to know everything that Prince does/ever did and what he should or shouldn't do. Let's be honest here, most of what you proclaim to know you read in a book! Its not first-hand knowledge. You weren't there, you've read what someone else wrote. I piss myself laughing every time someone says "Go and read Per Neilsen".....right. Look, he wrote some great stuff, it was well researched, but you had nothing to do with it and can't prove half or even most of it. You talk of it as though you investigated it for yourself, but you're just regurgitating someone else's take on things. And, in this case, you are arguing over what? A rehearsal! Jeez....some of you seriously need to get over yourselves.

Most of you don't make music, you have no idea about creating music or even jamming with a band. "But, I don't have to be a musician to criticise music", you scream. Maybe so, but it would sure help if you had some sort of credential to back up those inane statements! All you really know is what YOU like and what YOU think would be best for Prince (or, really, what would be best for you).

Certainly none of you have a 30-year music career behind you (neither do many professional musicians!), yet you feel well-placed to say that you know what's best, be that musically or business-wise (some even go as far as to assuming that they know why Prince does something, or his intent to other people he's known for decades - relationships you've never had any involvement in at all). Its utterly ridiculous. The reality is, you don't know jack (or should that be bo?) and your opinion actually means nothing. Yes, you can have your opinion, you can say you don't like something, but most of you don't stop there, do you? And you proclaim these things as though it gives you some sort of right. Well, you know what, it doesn't! You profess to know why Prince does something, why its bad and what he should have done differently with no credentials to back it up at all. Journalists and publications do this frequently and are usually lambasted for it - its a shame you can't hold that mirror up to yourselves.

At the end of the day, its actually all just about YOUR preference. And, you know what, most of the people in the world and even here on the org don't care about your selfish viewpoints. In my view, you are worse than you proclaim Prince to be - tired, repetetive, unoriginal and distinctly sour. Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but its mostly so baseless, its fucking boring for anyone else with half a brain! I'm not saying there shouldn't be any discussion - far from it. But its the same old same old here and its as predictable and lame as some of you suggest Prince has become.

Enjoy yourselves

Aye Mindflux..what'd you think of the siren?

alexnvrmnd777 said:

NeonCraxx said:

L4OATheOriginal said: Yes I have.

SNIP [OF4S personal back in 4th arguement off topic]

Mindflux said:

Most of you don't make music, you have no idea about creating music or even jamming with a band. "But, I don't have to be a musician to criticise music", you scream. Maybe so, but it would sure help if you had some sort of credential to back up those inane statements! All you really know is what YOU like and what YOU think would be best for Prince (or, really, what would be best for you).

I'm interested in hearing the opinions of people who play in bands and jam... do they think this jam is great or a bit of a snooze? Because I don't know. For me the jam doesn't do anything, but it's totally possible that I'm not 'appreciating it right' because I don't know what to listen for.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Genesia said:

In other words - no, you haven't seen her.

Source considered.

And yes, I've seen the videos, so there you go.

And would it really matter if I saw her (live or a recording) or heard her from audio?? The point is I HEARD her, and I know it was her. I don't even see what your point was with that.

he says u can't make a judgement on shelby as u weren't at the shows and have to rely on bootlegs, yet he criticises boni on small club. so i'm assuming he was at the show in person that night???

L4OATheOriginal said:

fDeluxe posted this jam on their Facebook page, but didn't seem sure if it was a Prince "love note" or not. I commented there, and will repeat here, that if "even if his intentions were somewhat playful, it definitely represents Prince pissing on his territory. So if this were my fan page, I'd think about deleting it. Maybe he could post it himself before the Internet disappears, as he's foreseen."

It seems like pissing to me because he not-so-subtly changed the lyrics: "We're takin' back this ship!" And tell your damn Facebook friends, bitches!

I hope Prince did this as a funky prank (like recording "Shockadelica" to, in essence, "own" Jesse Johnson) - and that another round of cease-and-desist letters isn't on the way. I would love it -- and almost forgive Prince for saddling these fine musicians with unwieldy new band names -- if he actually did give them opening-act slots.

[Edited 4/24/12 16:54pm]

Even though people seem to continually complain about how Prince's cryptic and mysterious ways of putting out music and "messages" have gotten stale and boring, it still seems as if people are still excited and fascinated by the whole experience.

Interesting opinon, and I respond in bold.

Mindflux said:

Wow - what a great reminder this thread is as to why I don't frequent this place so much anymore. Like a bunch of whining kids in a playground, trying to either get one over each other or professing to know everything that Prince does/ever did and what he should or shouldn't do. Let's be honest here, most of what you proclaim to know you read in a book! Its not first-hand knowledge. You weren't there, you've read what someone else wrote.

I actually have been lucky enough to know many of the people who have been in the Prince camp. Not just some sound guy or something, but multiple major principles in his career. Some have some very interesting off the record things to say. Mostly gripes about not getting paid by Prince, or being treated like royalty one minute only to be crapped on the next minute. Many of these people share my opinons about his business decisions, but confirm that after Purple Rain blew up, he only had yes men around him. Most agree that 1985-1988 had Prince's best music of his career, but how he released it and marketed it was just plain career suicide. Even Alan Leeds has written extensively about begging him to tour for SOTT.

Most of you don't make music, you have no idea about creating music or even jamming with a band. "But, I don't have to be a musician to criticise music", you scream. Maybe so, but it would sure help if you had some sort of credential to back up those inane statements! All you really know is what YOU like and what YOU think would be best for Prince (or, really, what would be best for you).

Since many of my ideas and business concepts have been complimented by those in the know, make me believe that I can make any statement I want. It doesn't mean I'm right or wrong, but my point of view has been looked upon as someone with a complete understanding of Prince's career. I am a songwriter, and a good judge of talent. Tony M may not be the Devil as I sometimes paint him, but I have not met one person that ever said they became a Prince fan because of Shelby or Tony M.

Certainly none of you have a 30-year music career behind you (neither do many professional musicians!), yet you feel well-placed to say that you know what's best, be that musically or business-wise

Again, my discussions with many in the business have made myself aware that some of my ideas would've resulted in more money and critical acclaim for Prince than where his own decisions have taken him. Prince's experience wasn't enough to save him from the flop of "Graffiti Bridge." To this day, he still thinks it is a great movie. More power to him. I think the movie is horrible.

At the end of the day, its actually all just about YOUR preference.

That is the truth. Despite my proclamation that I feel my ideas for Prince would've been better for his career, I have to admit, that his music gives me joy on a daily basis. I live and die with his music. Sometimes I take it too seriously. When I see Elton John, U2, and previously, Michael Jackson running their careers with better decisions, I get jealous for Prince. As much as I like the music in the Title Track of New Power Soul, I get a good laugh out of the "New Power Booty" lyric. That would've remained in the vault if I was in charge, and we'd all be enjoying the original Old Friends 4 Sale and Witness 4 The Prosecution instead.

Enjoy yourselves

I will. I said his music gives me joy, and nothing can stop that. Despite cringing at some of Prince's decisions, I gladly accept that I can't change what I can't change, but still reserve the right to give my opinions here. Some will agree, some will call me a hater. I still play "Future Soul Song," at least a few times a month, and can't wait for his next album.

[Edited 4/24/12 16:56pm] My spelling is getting worse with age. I don't have the patience to edit this much moree.

[Edited 4/24/12 17:03pm]

Mindflux said:

Wow - what a great reminder this thread is as to why I don't frequent this place so much anymore. Like a bunch of whining kids in a playground, trying to either get one over each other or professing to know everything that Prince does/ever did and what he should or shouldn't do. Let's be honest here, most of what you proclaim to know you read in a book! Its not first-hand knowledge. You weren't there, you've read what someone else wrote. I piss myself laughing every time someone says "Go and read Per Neilsen".....right. Look, he wrote some great stuff, it was well researched, but you had nothing to do with it and can't prove half or even most of it. You talk of it as though you investigated it for yourself, but you're just regurgitating someone else's take on things. And, in this case, you are arguing over what? A rehearsal! Jeez....some of you seriously need to get over yourselves.

Most of you don't make music, you have no idea about creating music or even jamming with a band. "But, I don't have to be a musician to criticise music", you scream. Maybe so, but it would sure help if you had some sort of credential to back up those inane statements! All you really know is what YOU like and what YOU think would be best for Prince (or, really, what would be best for you).

Certainly none of you have a 30-year music career behind you (neither do many professional musicians!), yet you feel well-placed to say that you know what's best, be that musically or business-wise (some even go as far as to assuming that they know why Prince does something, or his intent to other people he's known for decades - relationships you've never had any involvement in at all). Its utterly ridiculous. The reality is, you don't know jack (or should that be bo?) and your opinion actually means nothing. Yes, you can have your opinion, you can say you don't like something, but most of you don't stop there, do you? And you proclaim these things as though it gives you some sort of right. Well, you know what, it doesn't! You profess to know why Prince does something, why its bad and what he should have done differently with no credentials to back it up at all. Journalists and publications do this frequently and are usually lambasted for it - its a shame you can't hold that mirror up to yourselves.

At the end of the day, its actually all just about YOUR preference. And, you know what, most of the people in the world and even here on the org don't care about your selfish viewpoints. In my view, you are worse than you proclaim Prince to be - tired, repetetive, unoriginal and distinctly sour. Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but its mostly so baseless, its fucking boring for anyone else with half a brain! I'm not saying there shouldn't be any discussion - far from it. But its the same old same old here and its as predictable and lame as some of you suggest Prince has become.

Enjoy yourselves

So you wrote a half page essay to tell us that our opinions don't mean shit A person doesn't have to have a music career or thirty years in the biz to know good music all we have to do is be able to hear and differentiate garbage from real music. Obviously there are more people in this thread that feel like Shelby is doing "way too much." I just said what they won't. I still feel she has a beautiful voice, but needs a solo gig.

mzsadii said:

daPrettyman said:

I totally feel ya.

I second that. I could use a little less of her hollering yoo.

and there it is

NeonCraxx said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

I know... the double standard bored me to death too. Read reply#329 where I elaborate on this double standard and completly epic pwned both your arguments, in case you missed it. [Edited 4/24/12 16:21pm]

u epic PWNED?

and please refresh my memory on what u said cause the double standards and u jumping on ur own crowd of bandwagoners confuse the hell out of me

L4OATheOriginal said:

NeonCraxx said:

L4OATheOriginal said: I know... the double standard bored me to death too. Read reply#329 where I elaborate on this double standard and completly epic pwned both your arguments, in case you missed it. [Edited 4/24/12 16:21pm]

u epic PWNED?

and please refresh my memory on what u said cause the double standards and u jumping on ur own crowd of bandwagoners confuse the hell out of me

I probably epic PWNED all day yesterday. So, what does epic PWNED mean, exactly?

Let me say this and then I'm done with this topic. For about 7 yrs from 93 to 2000 I did not follow Prince's music. I lived my life, enjoyed other artist and their work. Yes Prince is a musical genius, but he is not the only music that's good out there. I said that too say this...Fans don't have to continue being fans. We have other choices to spend our money and precious time on. Take advice from people who have supported you for 30 yrs. When we buy tickets we wanna see and hear the artist we paid to see-not background singers or use to be relevant bass players or flavors of the month singer/guitar players. "We Want Prince."

[Edited 4/24/12 17:47pm]

nursev said:

Let me say this and then I'm done with this topic. For about 7 yrs from 93 to 2000 I did not follow Prince's music. I lived my life, enjoyed other artist and their work. Yes Prince is a musical genius, but he is not the only music that's good out there. I said that too say this...Fans don't have to continue being fans. We have other choices to spend our money and precious time on. Take advice from people who have supported you for 30 yrs. When we buy tickets we wanna see and hear the artist we paid to see-not background singers or use to be relevant bass players or flavors of the month singer/guitar players. "We Want Prince."

[Edited 4/24/12 17:47pm]

L4OATheOriginal said:

purplethunder3121 said:

nursev said:

Let me say this and then I'm done with this topic. For about 7 yrs from 93 to 2000 I did not follow Prince's music. I lived my life, enjoyed other artist and their work. Yes Prince is a musical genius, but he is not the only music that's good out there. I said that too say this...Fans don't have to continue being fans. We have other choices to spend our money and precious time on. Take advice from people who have supported you for 30 yrs. When we buy tickets we wanna see and hear the artist we paid to see-not background singers or use to be relevant bass players or flavors of the month singer/guitar players. "We Want Prince."

[Edited 4/24/12 17:47pm]

thanks Purple

stillwaiting said:

2elijah said:

Nursev, I know we all have our tastes in music, and no one is forced to like any artist's music/talent, but I don't see anything wrong with an artist showcasing the talents of his band members. Maybe 'Madonna' and the late 'Michael Jackson', only wanted the spotlight to shine on them. How many artists have they showcased while on stage with them, that their fans can associate with their names? I can't think of anyone at this point, but I could be wrong.

Shelby is a talented singer who can hold her own and can actually sing. So is Liv. They both have the type of 'soul' in their voices that some folks send their kids for voice lessons/training to try and develop that type of natural, 'soul sound' that both Shelby and Liv have, that can send chills up one's spine,especially when singing live, based on what song and how they present/project it.

That sound seems to come natural for Liv and Shelby, as it did for many well-known soul singers. Seems much of what's being promoted in the music industry today, all sound the same. No distinctive sounds that gives you chills. If you hear Shelby, Liv and Elisa sing a cover of the 'Arms of an Angel', you can hear their natural, strong, distinctive sounds that when they sing together, they harmonize beautifully. That's real talent and all his background singers have demonstrated they could all hold their own, even without Prince having to stand on stage with them, while he's doing his wardrobe change.

If it was Carmen Electra up there today, I would not call her singing talent at all, even if she did/does get by based on her looks, but looks can only last but so long, while real talent can last forever. There's obviously a good reason why Shelby has lasted so long in Prince's band, and it's obvious he's content with her natural, singing talent. Just my two cents.

[Edited 4/24/12 12:56pm]

I wouldn't care if it was Whitney Houston and Aretha Franklin on backing vocals. If he had Whitney shouting "Put Your Hands Up" 100 times or more a show, it would still be Self-Parody, and a long waste of time. Shelby is very talented. I would buy a solo release if Prince was involved. It's one thing to have someone share a stage, but it's another to plunk down $300 to see Prince, and see somebody else get in the way. I saw Prince 6 times in 2011, and I did not get any of those 3 hour shows LA got on some nights. Every show was 115 minutes or less, and had a bit too much of Shelby, and too many cover songs.

If 65 year old Elton John and 65 year old Dennis DeYoung can sing more full length songs than 53 year old Prince, I'd say that's a problem. As much respect and love I have for Elton John, he doesn't have half of Prince's talent on his little finger, but if you go to an Elton John concert, you get 3 hours and 29 to 32 full length songs, with nobody yelling "Put Your Hands Up." Prince should understand that we are happy to be at his concert, and don't need anybody trying to hype us up.

Same thing with U2...you get 22-25 full length songs without anybody else. And if you saw U2 in New York, Los Angeles, or Raleigh, NC, you did not get less of a show in a smaller town. Prince did some shows around 80 minutes, and at his prices, that's not right.

The only possible point I make that is not that strong is Dennis DeYoung. His show was a little shorter than most Prince shows, but I still think Dennis made much more of his MUCH lesser ability than Prince does with his tremendous talent.

I am near fanatical about at least 10 artists, and Prince is more likely to have a legendary concert than any of them, but he's also more likely to have a crap show than any of them. ONA and Musicology had tons of Magic and few low points every night. On most of his concerts since 2006, Prince gives a little legend, and tends to Go Through The Motions in Diva Mode.

Now if Shelby is in his band another 10 years, you can say at least he was committed to her, but you know she's gonna be out of the band sooner or later singing at a truck stop with Andy Allo. Actually, I hope Shelby has much success after Prince turns her loose, but can we think of anybody Prince has cut loose that has had anything close to a career? Nope.

(::Violins playing 'Cry me a friggin river....again':: ). Yeah but you complain all the time about any and everything when it comes to Prince's band, music, and the list goes on with you, so your complaint is just the same old, same old. Nothing new with you. At the end of the day, the one calling the shots for the band, is the one who will be making the decision as to who gets to perform in the band. So why are you knocking yourself out complaining about a situation, where you have no final say as to who gets chosen to perform in a particular musician's band? You either go to the show or you don't, if either is your personal decision. That's basically the bottom line.

[Edited 4/24/12 19:05pm]

nursev said:

purplethunder3121 said:

thanks Purple

I second that emotion. I don't pay to see the Everyone Prince is listening to/thinks we should be listening to Review. I pay to see Prince. Plain and simple.

stillwaiting said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

u epic PWNED?

and please refresh my memory on what u said cause the double standards and u jumping on ur own crowd of bandwagoners confuse the hell out of me

I probably epic PWNED all day yesterday. So, what does epic PWNED mean, exactly?

i guess it might mean "think b4 u post" which i'm not saying u did at all, but the one who goes around PWNING people all day on here

NeonCraxx said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

u epic PWNED?

and please refresh my memory on what u said cause the double standards and u jumping on ur own crowd of bandwagoners confuse the hell out of me

I just gave you a reply number to read. Refresh your page, not your memory.

why should i bother 2 read when u don't do it yourself? and my memory is fine cause i can remember what mpls keyboards sound like AND THEY AREN'T ON THIS TRACK

2elijah said:

stillwaiting said:

I wouldn't care if it was Whitney Houston and Aretha Franklin on backing vocals. If he had Whitney shouting "Put Your Hands Up" 100 times or more a show, it would still be Self-Parody, and a long waste of time. Shelby is very talented. I would buy a solo release if Prince was involved. It's one thing to have someone share a stage, but it's another to plunk down $300 to see Prince, and see somebody else get in the way. I saw Prince 6 times in 2011, and I did not get any of those 3 hour shows LA got on some nights. Every show was 115 minutes or less, and had a bit too much of Shelby, and too many cover songs.

If 65 year old Elton John and 65 year old Dennis DeYoung can sing more full length songs than 53 year old Prince, I'd say that's a problem. As much respect and love I have for Elton John, he doesn't have half of Prince's talent on his little finger, but if you go to an Elton John concert, you get 3 hours and 29 to 32 full length songs, with nobody yelling "Put Your Hands Up." Prince should understand that we are happy to be at his concert, and don't need anybody trying to hype us up.

Same thing with U2...you get 22-25 full length songs without anybody else. And if you saw U2 in New York, Los Angeles, or Raleigh, NC, you did not get less of a show in a smaller town. Prince did some shows around 80 minutes, and at his prices, that's not right.

The only possible point I make that is not that strong is Dennis DeYoung. His show was a little shorter than most Prince shows, but I still think Dennis made much more of his MUCH lesser ability than Prince does with his tremendous talent.

I am near fanatical about at least 10 artists, and Prince is more likely to have a legendary concert than any of them, but he's also more likely to have a crap show than any of them. ONA and Musicology had tons of Magic and few low points every night. On most of his concerts since 2006, Prince gives a little legend, and tends to Go Through The Motions in Diva Mode.

Now if Shelby is in his band another 10 years, you can say at least he was committed to her, but you know she's gonna be out of the band sooner or later singing at a truck stop with Andy Allo. Actually, I hope Shelby has much success after Prince turns her loose, but can we think of anybody Prince has cut loose that has had anything close to a career? Nope.

(::Violins playing 'Cry me a friggin river....again':: ). Yeah but you complain all the time about any and everything when it comes to Prince's band, music, and the list goes on with you, so your complaint is just the same old, same old. Nothing new with you. At the end of the day, the one calling the shots for the band, is the one who will be making the decision as to who gets to perform in the band. So why are you knocking yourself out worried about it when you have no control over the matter? You either go to the show or you don't go if either is your personal decision. That's basically the bottom line.

[Edited 4/24/12 18:52pm]

Its no use getting through to that person, tried in another thread...

Wow, love the "Muntiny/Ice Cream Castles" jam!!

I can see the photo of the band on Dr Funkenberry's site, but anyone know who's playing rhythm guitar in the band ? Might be Prince, but I can't tell for sure. Love it either way !!

I am so jealous of the Aussie fans, cuz u gonna have a good time...

Prince and the Time really have history that goes way back. I don't believe this is Prince being an asshole! I tend to believe things have never changed and this is just whats left of his competitive spirit coming out. Actually, after the Warner fued he was so much on coast that it's sort of cool to see him try to bring it. But kind of sad that when he brought it. Though some people believe he failed, I would not buy that completely cuz the "Dance Electric" to me was cool.

Now, Imo P's new band has improved and I also believe it's tough to tell how good they will be from rehearsal tape, I'm looking forward to the upcoming shows!!! "Dance Electric" it's quality jam.

MD, Jerome, Jellybean, Monte, Jam and Lewis. They have been around forever and they now how to work a crowd. I would tend to believe this would be a good test for P's newer band??? Can P's new band outwork the Time a band with a 30+ year history with a bunch of hits, a band that can and will bring the funk every night! Why would Prince not want them to open for him??? This would only raise the bar for his newer band. I'm sure the NPG Trio along with Maceo and Renato could easily compete with the Time!! But could Andy Allo? Shelby? All the newbies etc bring the Funk? From what I've seen so far I don't believe they can. BUT I also really thought they improved with "Dance Electric!" Which makes me wonder, Maybe Prince is just trying to put together some mediocre musicians and work them into his own version of the Funk. Why fuck around when you could have Larry G on bass, Michael B on drums, Maceo Parker, Renato?? on and on? Why fuck around with a sound guy that fucks up so much that your audience knows his name??? Ya know?

If P did tell "the Time" no tour. I think they should just move on. Go to the promoters. Play some shows with the Family and W&L. Play some shows with the likes of George Clinton, Jamiroquai. At this point I would be more excited over some lineup like that vs. P's group.

which bit was Ice Cream Castle?