rdhull said:

stillwaiting said:

Hey, Prince was all over America on Welcome 2 America. He played New York, New Jersey, North & South Carolina, California, and Washington.

As far as all these songs played on this tour? Many of the arrangements were kept as simple as possible, and many times (Like Mountains for example) the girls did most of the singing. On some (A Million Days for example) Prince is mainly mumbling the lyrics. Dance Electric sounded ok but was shocked at how juvenile that stupid whistle sounded, and it was a bit heavy on the girls. Mutiny was almost as good, but still sounded a little flat, and that annoying Siren just showed me Prince has to screw up a good thing these days.

"Lay off that"-Prince to Billy/Purple Rain

I'll be damed if I let yall start doggin the siren in THIS thread..you all already got a ton of bs fighting going on here as usual (guess the precogs were right alex!) but we wont be dragging the wonderful siren into yalls shit.

chewymusic said:

Pole said:

Does Andy Allo remind, you all, just a little of Boni Boyer?

what about this one or this one

I'm

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Larry is Prince's all time musical idol. He will always b in the mix whether U people like it or not. Don't like it. Don't go. Its as simple as that...

crack up when Prince deliberately tries 2 erk U & bring Larry on stage 4 the hundred time & give Shelby the mic again & again... Because he knows what Ur saying about them. But he doesn't care...

i kind of 'get' why prince would do this, why he would pick this battle to fight.

he wants us to know his playlist is HIS. and his alone.

further, he wants us to know his bond with larry is beyond any feelings he'll ever have for any of his fans. which is okay for him to feel that way

but, to be real, playing the same 'cover' songs for ten long, full years at your concerts is just not a good business move. and when people speak out and it's noticeable and when it becomes some weird form of punishment for the fans.

but most important, playing those two songs every. single. time. over. and. over. again. and. again. speaks to a lack of creativity that prince and LG have in concert, their chemistry when together does not seem to be something that pushes the boundaries of anything at all. toogether, they are tried and true, safe in the shelter of 'hey we can do this in our sleep'.

just my 2c

Prince will do anything 4 Larry G & vice versa. They r bonded 4 life............If D'angelo could have Prince on stage with him. He would do the same thing play his music everynight..

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince will do anything 4 Larry G & vice versa. They r bonded 4 life............If D'angelo could have Prince on stage with him. He would do the same thing play his music everynight..

Stop speaking for them as if you know them or even met them. You sound like a dumbass.

I'm sorry,

if you tell me this new "performance" has anything on this masterpiece

http://www.youtube.com/wa...C1_7fzVChk

I'd say your smoking something. Now THAT is a band.

Jazz said:

I'm sorry,

if you tell me this new "performance" has anything on this masterpiece

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC1_7fzVChk

I'd say your smoking something. Now THAT is a band.

High five!

BartVanHemelen said:

NeonCraxx said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Yet you seem to have some issues with me not liking it and voicing my opinion.

"But it's free" -- so, does that mean we're required to like it?

"It's a rehearsal" -- oh please, this will sound exactly like this live, because this is as good as his band gets. Listen to boots from the past 15 years: jams instead of songs. Listen to boots of the past couple of years: same jams, but now enhanced by shouty back-up singers.

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thebanishedone said:

BobGeorge909 said:

Yeah...she kinda stuck to tickling the keys. She might have played in her off time. Sol Goode

you said you love Andy's guitar playing,so i gotta ask,what playing? She don't have a clue about guitar

I'm not saying that I love Andy guitar playing, I couldn't hear her playing guitar at the Montreal show (sorry about that)... ..I don't know if it's because she doesn't play loud enough or was there too many instruments together or any other reasons? like I'm deaf

And I'm not saying I dont like Andy either... I'm just waiting 4 more

peace

L4OATheOriginal said:

HonestMan13 said:

My point is you have orgers claiming they know what it takes to make a better funk album than what Prince is currently doing. They're just keeping these epiphanies to themselves or has an orger made a better funk album than Prince already?

there are orgers on here who are musicians themselves and have done tracks and albums ya know

I'm aware of that. Has any of them been heralded as the second coming of the funk? Where's all the org praise and accolades for giving us what we've been denied by Prince?

Over the years I've listened to various artists who have captured what Prince has on a track or two but never for a consistent album. I've come to believe that the only person who know what needs to be in a Prince song is Prince. Some artists just get lucky and catch that Princely funk vibe on a rare track but then they lose it on the next one. It's not as simple as some orgers make it sound. If it was we'd be drowning in epic funk albums from all over.

Chiquetet said:

Pole said:

Thank you 4 sharing Contreversy : )

excuse me 4 my ignorance but who is Deliah?

Can someone tell me please

I'm assuming he means Delilah - http://www.delilahofficial.co.uk/_2012/

Thank you!

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince will do anything 4 Larry G & vice versa. They r bonded 4 life............If D'angelo could have Prince on stage with him. He would do the same thing play his music everynight..

well, i can understand that. larry graham is MAJOR funky. i love his stuff. just, not those two songs anymore.....

rdhull said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince will do anything 4 Larry G & vice versa. They r bonded 4 life............If D'angelo could have Prince on stage with him. He would do the same thing play his music everynight..

Stop speaking for them as if you know them or even met them. You sound like a dumbass.

nothing wrong with the musicianship, it's a funky tune. i like that prince is in a sharing/bitchy mood, whatevs.. but i'd love to hear something more original or creative from him. not necessarily anything brand new, but redition of something old, eg i would die 4 u acoustic guitar/slowed down mountains or love bizarre on thhe piano/anything sllooooowwed right down on piano would be good. i want something otherworldly & extraspectacular.

i'm not sure these jams are promoting the new tour

Its free and its funky. I'm grateful for Prince sharing these rehearsals with Dr funkenberry. The more I listen to it more funkier it gets!

I've seen Shelby perform well over 25+ times, I think shes great really gets the place going and has a fab voice.

Genesia said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Genesia said: I've heard tons of boots, on top of people's reports from many, many shows that Shelby does that every fuckin' night. I have yet to hear such a complaint about Bonnie except for this ONE show. Plain and simple. You may like to put your hands up all the time, for all I know, so maybe that's why you think it's fine, but it really ain't.

In other words - no, you haven't seen her.

Source considered.

And yes, I've seen the videos, so there you go.

And would it really matter if I saw her (live or a recording) or heard her from audio?? The point is I HEARD her, and I know it was her. I don't even see what your point was with that.

rdhull said:

stillwaiting said:

Hey, Prince was all over America on Welcome 2 America. He played New York, New Jersey, North & South Carolina, California, and Washington.

As far as all these songs played on this tour? Many of the arrangements were kept as simple as possible, and many times (Like Mountains for example) the girls did most of the singing. On some (A Million Days for example) Prince is mainly mumbling the lyrics. Dance Electric sounded ok but was shocked at how juvenile that stupid whistle sounded, and it was a bit heavy on the girls. Mutiny was almost as good, but still sounded a little flat, and that annoying Siren just showed me Prince has to screw up a good thing these days.

"Lay off that"-Prince to Billy/Purple Rain

I'll be damed if I let yall start doggin the siren in THIS thread..you all already got a ton of bs fighting going on here as usual (guess the precogs were right alex!) but we wont be dragging the wonderful siren into yalls shit.

Well, not really. Because this "fighting" isn't due to profane name calling, like what was being snipped from that one person's post.

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BartVanHemelen said:

Paris9748430 said:

Hilarious. You do not what year those songs were released, right?

Yeah, it's 2012. And here's Prince rehearsing a 25+ year old mash-up, and ending up with something so rubbish it's embarrassing.

I point to the 1986 performance because it's awesome, not because I want Prince to reproduce that performance note-by-note.

Not to mention that this does sound like an insult towards the two bands he sent it too. All it lacks is a "Punk of the month" chant.

Don't like it, fine.

Yet you seem to have some issues with me not liking it and voicing my opinion.

"But it's free" -- so, does that mean we're required to like it?

"It's a rehearsal" -- oh please, this will sound exactly like this live, because this is as good as his band gets. Listen to boots from the past 15 years: jams instead of songs. Listen to boots of the past couple of years: same jams, but now enhanced by shouty back-up singers.

nursev said:

Let's look at this more...Take superstars like Madonna, Janet, etc. you don't see them allowing a background singer to over shadow them. Madonna fans would be mad as hell if that happened. Hell even Michael (may he rest in peace) would allow folks to sing, but not take over the show

Nursev, I know we all have our tastes in music, and no one is forced to like any artist's music/talent, but I don't see anything wrong with an artist showcasing the talents of his band members. Maybe 'Madonna' and the late 'Michael Jackson', only wanted the spotlight to shine on them. How many artists have they showcased while on stage with them, that their fans can associate with their names? I can't think of anyone at this point, but I could be wrong.

Shelby is a talented singer who can hold her own and can actually sing. So is Liv. They both have the type of 'soul' in their voices that some folks send their kids for voice lessons/training to try and develop that type of natural, 'soul sound' that both Shelby and Liv have, that can send chills up one's spine,especially when singing live, based on what song and how they present/project it.

That sound seems to come natural for Liv and Shelby, as it did for many well-known soul singers. Seems much of what's being promoted in the music industry today, all sound the same. No distinctive sounds that gives you chills. If you hear Shelby, Liv and Elisa sing a cover of the 'Arms of an Angel', you can hear their natural, strong, distinctive sounds that when they sing together, they harmonize beautifully. That's real talent and all his background singers have demonstrated they could all hold their own, even without Prince having to stand on stage with them, while he's doing his wardrobe change.

If it was Carmen Electra up there today, I would not call her singing talent at all, even if she did/does get by based on her looks, but looks can only last but so long, while real talent can last forever. There's obviously a good reason why Shelby has lasted so long in Prince's band, and it's obvious he's content with her natural, singing talent. Just my two cents.

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jackmitz said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:

I think both the rehersal jams posted so far (Dance Electric last week and Mutiny/Ice Cream... this week) were enjoyable. Especially since for me none of these three songs were ever huge favorites of mine and they were free.

The hullabaloo over it not sounding exactly like it did in 1986 is absurd. Sorry but being a long time fan I know for a fact Prince has re-worked most all of his songs over the years for concert performances, so nothing new here. It's just nice not to hear "Raspberry Baret/Kiss" for the gazillionith time.

As for Shelby. Well at least she's not singing off key for entire songs like some other mega hyped former band members.

Word. Not to disrespect the dead, but Boni Boyer often sounded like a Mavis Staples reject with a dog's squeaky toy caught in her throat. And, while Rosie was often great (I LOVE 'Closer than Close'), she was somewhat one-dimensional.

Shelby is a super talent. Her voice is fierce, and her stage energy is uplifting.

Well I wasn't speaking about either of them. I have a boot that was single handedly destroyed by the loud off key singing of Wendy through most of the friggin show. I've been told it was her as I wasn't there at this show in Paris 1986. That being said, Boni could get a little screechy at times.

But my point remains the same. I'd rather hear someone like Rosie or Shelby sing on key rather than someone singing off key.

::: waits for somene to praise the greatness of loud, flat, off key singing because Wendy was name checked as a perpetrator ::::

NeonCraxx said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

And yes, I've seen the videos, so there you go.

And would it really matter if I saw her (live or a recording) or heard her from audio?? The point is I HEARD her, and I know it was her. I don't even see what your point was with that.

But you haven't seen her.

and u've never seen prince live either

L4OATheOriginal said:

NeonCraxx said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

and u've never seen prince live either

Yes I have.

Oh, he's seen Prince live, L4OA. It was for the first time just over a year ago. So you KNOW he's an expert. *snicker*

2elijah said:

nursev said:

Let's look at this more...Take superstars like Madonna, Janet, etc. you don't see them allowing a background singer to over shadow them. Madonna fans would be mad as hell if that happened. Hell even Michael (may he rest in peace) would allow folks to sing, but not take over the show

Nursev, I know we all have our tastes in music, and no one is forced to like any artist's music/talent, but I don't see anything wrong with an artist showcasing the talents of his band members. Maybe 'Madonna' and the late 'Michael Jackson', only wanted the spotlight to shine on them. How many artists have they showcased while on stage with them, that their fans can associate with their names? I can't think of anyone at this point, but I could be wrong.

Shelby is a talented singer who can hold her own and can actually sing. So is Liv. They both have the type of 'soul' in their voices that some folks send their kids for voice lessons/training to try and develop that type of natural, 'soul sound' that both Shelby and Liv have, that can send chills up one's spine,especially when singing live, based on what song and how they present/project it.

That sound seems to come natural for Liv and Shelby, as it did for many well-known soul singers. Seems much of what's being promoted in the music industry today, all sound the same. No distinctive sounds that gives you chills. If you hear Shelby, Liv and Elisa sing a cover of the 'Arms of an Angel', you can hear their natural, strong, distinctive sounds that when they sing together, they harmonize beautifully. That's real talent and all his background singers have demonstrated they could all hold their own, even without Prince having to stand on stage with them, while he's doing his wardrobe change.

If it was Carmen Electra up there today, I would not call her singing talent at all, even if she did/does get by based on her looks, but looks can only last but so long, while real talent can last forever. There's obviously a good reason why Shelby has lasted so long in Prince's band, and it's obvious he's content with her natural, singing talent. Just my two cents.

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I wouldn't care if it was Whitney Houston and Aretha Franklin on backing vocals. If he had Whitney shouting "Put Your Hands Up" 100 times or more a show, it would still be Self-Parody, and a long waste of time. Shelby is very talented. I would buy a solo release if Prince was involved. It's one thing to have someone share a stage, but it's another to plunk down $300 to see Prince, and see somebody else get in the way. I saw Prince 6 times in 2011, and I did not get any of those 3 hour shows LA got on some nights. Every show was 115 minutes or less, and had a bit too much of Shelby, and too many cover songs.

If 65 year old Elton John and 65 year old Dennis DeYoung can sing more full length songs than 53 year old Prince, I'd say that's a problem. As much respect and love I have for Elton John, he doesn't have half of Prince's talent on his little finger, but if you go to an Elton John concert, you get 3 hours and 29 to 32 full length songs, with nobody yelling "Put Your Hands Up." Prince should understand that we are happy to be at his concert, and don't need anybody trying to hype us up.

Same thing with U2...you get 22-25 full length songs without anybody else. And if you saw U2 in New York, Los Angeles, or Raleigh, NC, you did not get less of a show in a smaller town. Prince did some shows around 80 minutes, and at his prices, that's not right.

The only possible point I make that is not that strong is Dennis DeYoung. His show was a little shorter than most Prince shows, but I still think Dennis made much more of his MUCH lesser ability than Prince does with his tremendous talent.

I am near fanatical about at least 10 artists, and Prince is more likely to have a legendary concert than any of them, but he's also more likely to have a crap show than any of them. ONA and Musicology had tons of Magic and few low points every night. On most of his concerts since 2006, Prince gives a little legend, and tends to Go Through The Motions in Diva Mode.

Now if Shelby is in his band another 10 years, you can say at least he was committed to her, but you know she's gonna be out of the band sooner or later singing at a truck stop with Andy Allo. Actually, I hope Shelby has much success after Prince turns her loose, but can we think of anybody Prince has cut loose that has had anything close to a career? Nope.

shelby j could kick all y'all ass

twice!!!

Wow - what a great reminder this thread is as to why I don't frequent this place so much anymore. Like a bunch of whining kids in a playground, trying to either get one over each other or professing to know everything that Prince does/ever did and what he should or shouldn't do. Let's be honest here, most of what you proclaim to know you read in a book! Its not first-hand knowledge. You weren't there, you've read what someone else wrote. I piss myself laughing every time someone says "Go and read Per Neilsen".....right. Look, he wrote some great stuff, it was well researched, but you had nothing to do with it and can't prove half or even most of it. You talk of it as though you investigated it for yourself, but you're just regurgitating someone else's take on things. And, in this case, you are arguing over what? A rehearsal! Jeez....some of you seriously need to get over yourselves.

Most of you don't make music, you have no idea about creating music or even jamming with a band. "But, I don't have to be a musician to criticise music", you scream. Maybe so, but it would sure help if you had some sort of credential to back up those inane statements! All you really know is what YOU like and what YOU think would be best for Prince (or, really, what would be best for you).

Certainly none of you have a 30-year music career behind you (neither do many professional musicians!), yet you feel well-placed to say that you know what's best, be that musically or business-wise (some even go as far as to assuming that they know why Prince does something, or his intent to other people he's known for decades - relationships you've never had any involvement in at all). Its utterly ridiculous. The reality is, you don't know jack (or should that be bo?) and your opinion actually means nothing. Yes, you can have your opinion, you can say you don't like something, but most of you don't stop there, do you? And you proclaim these things as though it gives you some sort of right. Well, you know what, it doesn't! You profess to know why Prince does something, why its bad and what he should have done differently with no credentials to back it up at all. Journalists and publications do this frequently and are usually lambasted for it - its a shame you can't hold that mirror up to yourselves.

At the end of the day, its actually all just about YOUR preference. And, you know what, most of the people in the world and even here on the org don't care about your selfish viewpoints. In my view, you are worse than you proclaim Prince to be - tired, repetetive, unoriginal and distinctly sour. Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but its mostly so baseless, its fucking boring for anyone else with half a brain! I'm not saying there shouldn't be any discussion - far from it. But its the same old same old here and its as predictable and lame as some of you suggest Prince has become.

Enjoy yourselves

nursev said:

PurpleLove7 said:

If I may chime in no show that Prince does, does he allow this overshadowing you've mentioned. If there are sound and lighting issues that's typically out of his hands but, who sings what and where, he's dictating who does what and when. Let's not forget that ...

Very true-so you would think a musical genius like Prince would take some advice from fans and have Shelby tone it down. She can sing, but like I said folks pay to see Prince. I know she gives Prince a break from having to sing all the time, but honestly he has fans that have been there since 78/79 and they deserve to hear only him.

I hear ya and I'm gonna co-sign ya ... At the same time: I love me some Shelby J. I've met her, she's a sweet-heart and her vocal power and range 'remind me' of Chaka Khan or Patti LaBelle or any other old school Soul Music singer.

I would 'prefer' to see more Prince tho ... Yeah ...

alexnvrmnd777 said: