I believe that Morris Day was far more "active" in Prince's recording career than we are lead to believe. That is I think Morris Day played drums on "I'm yours" (from For You) and "Why You Treat Me So Bad", "When We're Dancing Close and Slow", "Bambi", "I Feel For You" and "It's Gonna Be Lonely" Please really listen to said tracks - I mean really listen. Bambi's drum style is just incredible. And with the known history of Morris and Prince constantly working together preciptous to the formation of The Time. I alos believe that Morris Day played drums on "Irresistible Bitch".

This interesting.

About an hour ago, I was thinking of 94East.

Prince was but was Morris in it 2?

I don't know.

Even though Prince was tight with Morris in high school, Morris was not around during the first two albums. He came back into the picture right around the time of Dirty Mind. The engineers who worked on those two albums (Steve Fontano and Gary Brandt) said it was all Prince on drums, but there was one drummer around at the time - Bobby Z, who was credited as a "heaven sent helper" on the 2nd album.

Morris has a distinctive style, especially with his fills, and I don't hear that on the first two albums. I was listening to Irresistable B**ch recently and it hit me - there is no question that the drums on the first half of the song are Prince and the second half are done by Morris - the giveaway is the way Morris does his fills (which you can easily check out on the 2nd Time album on songs like The Walk). Someone mentioned that on the org once, but when I heard that recently it was very obvious.

plymouthavenuenorth said:

Even though Prince was tight with Morris in high school, Morris was not around during the first two albums. He came back into the picture right around the time of Dirty Mind. The engineers who worked on those two albums (Steve Fontano and Gary Brandt) said it was all Prince on drums, but there was one drummer around at the time - Bobby Z, who was credited as a "heaven sent helper" on the 2nd album.

Morris has a distinctive style, especially with his fills, and I don't hear that on the first two albums. I was listening to Irresistable B**ch recently and it hit me - there is no question that the drums on the first half of the song are Prince and the second half are done by Morris - the giveaway is the way Morris does his fills (which you can easily check out on the 2nd Time album on songs like The Walk). Someone mentioned that on the org once, but when I heard that recently it was very obvious.

sometimes I think it's a bit hard to hear the difference between the two, cause Prince is really good at imitating both Morris Day as well as Sheila E, I also think he has influenced their playing as well.

Replica said:

plymouthavenuenorth said:

Even though Prince was tight with Morris in high school, Morris was not around during the first two albums. He came back into the picture right around the time of Dirty Mind. The engineers who worked on those two albums (Steve Fontano and Gary Brandt) said it was all Prince on drums, but there was one drummer around at the time - Bobby Z, who was credited as a "heaven sent helper" on the 2nd album.

Morris has a distinctive style, especially with his fills, and I don't hear that on the first two albums. I was listening to Irresistable B**ch recently and it hit me - there is no question that the drums on the first half of the song are Prince and the second half are done by Morris - the giveaway is the way Morris does his fills (which you can easily check out on the 2nd Time album on songs like The Walk). Someone mentioned that on the org once, but when I heard that recently it was very obvious.

sometimes I think it's a bit hard to hear the difference between the two, cause Prince is really good at imitating both Morris Day as well as Sheila E, I also think he has influenced their playing as well.

Prince influenced them in terms of work ethic, NOT playing style. Also, I have it on VERY good authority from someone who played with Prince for a long time that Morris played drums on Dirty Mind. He's obviously playing on Irrisistible Bitch as the liner notes to the Crystal Ball track Cloreen Baconskin confirm that both were recorded at the same time using a method of songwriting Prince was into at that moment which was to have Morris play a beat and "direct" him while playing sort of pitchless, percussive bass and then finish it later with lyrics and overdubs. It's on an official release peeps - no need to wonder.

plymouthavenuenorth said:

Even though Prince was tight with Morris in high school, Morris was not around during the first two albums. He came back into the picture right around the time of Dirty Mind. The engineers who worked on those two albums (Steve Fontano and Gary Brandt) said it was all Prince on drums, but there was one drummer around at the time - Bobby Z, who was credited as a "heaven sent helper" on the 2nd album.

Morris has a distinctive style, especially with his fills, and I don't hear that on the first two albums. I was listening to Irresistable B**ch recently and it hit me - there is no question that the drums on the first half of the song are Prince and the second half are done by Morris - the giveaway is the way Morris does his fills (which you can easily check out on the 2nd Time album on songs like The Walk). Someone mentioned that on the org once, but when I heard that recently it was very obvious.

What makes me question though is the drumming style found on Bambi. I note your comment of "Heaven Sent Helper" as credited on the sleeve, but with the entire Jamie Starr myth is it not possible that Morris "not being there" could also be a myth. I read where Bobby Z. stated that he would play a basic pattern and Prince would re-record the drums after he (Prince) had completed the track. Is it not possible that was Morris. Again, Bambi's drum style is incredible (for a 20 year old kid). And you really don't hear that syle again for several albums. Bobby Z. isn't that good. And everyone praises Morris Day's drumming including Prince.

I would not doubt that he had help on the first 2 albums. We KNOW he left Andre off the Prince album credits. (he called it a typo)

also i have read that there is sax on Baby... also it was suggested that prince failed to give proper writing credit on several tracks on for you.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I would not doubt that he had help on the first 2 albums. We KNOW he left Andre off the Prince album credits. (he called it a typo)

also i have read that there is sax on Baby... also it was suggested that prince failed to give proper writing credit on several tracks on for you.

Good point, I forgot about the "typo" comment. He (Prince) made sure to list all instruments he played (first album), made sure the now ubiquitious "produced, arranged and performed by ..." was present and correct. But overlooked credit for his friend. Failing to acknowledge your closest friend is an indication of greater (or not so great) things to come.

whendovescry2000 said:

plymouthavenuenorth said:

Even though Prince was tight with Morris in high school, Morris was not around during the first two albums. He came back into the picture right around the time of Dirty Mind. The engineers who worked on those two albums (Steve Fontano and Gary Brandt) said it was all Prince on drums, but there was one drummer around at the time - Bobby Z, who was credited as a "heaven sent helper" on the 2nd album.

Morris has a distinctive style, especially with his fills, and I don't hear that on the first two albums. I was listening to Irresistable B**ch recently and it hit me - there is no question that the drums on the first half of the song are Prince and the second half are done by Morris - the giveaway is the way Morris does his fills (which you can easily check out on the 2nd Time album on songs like The Walk). Someone mentioned that on the org once, but when I heard that recently it was very obvious.

What makes me question though is the drumming style found on Bambi. I note your comment of "Heaven Sent Helper" as credited on the sleeve, but with the entire Jamie Starr myth is it not possible that Morris "not being there" could also be a myth. I read where Bobby Z. stated that he would play a basic pattern and Prince would re-record the drums after he (Prince) had completed the track. Is it not possible that was Morris. Again, Bambi's drum style is incredible (for a 20 year old kid). And you really don't hear that syle again for several albums. Bobby Z. isn't that good. And everyone praises Morris Day's drumming including Prince.

Prince had played drums for about 7 years when Bambi was recorded. It isn't exactly the most complicated song in terms of drumming and a drummer with 7 years of experience can ofcourse pull it off.

hhhhdmt said:

whendovescry2000 said:

What makes me question though is the drumming style found on Bambi. I note your comment of "Heaven Sent Helper" as credited on the sleeve, but with the entire Jamie Starr myth is it not possible that Morris "not being there" could also be a myth. I read where Bobby Z. stated that he would play a basic pattern and Prince would re-record the drums after he (Prince) had completed the track. Is it not possible that was Morris. Again, Bambi's drum style is incredible (for a 20 year old kid). And you really don't hear that syle again for several albums. Bobby Z. isn't that good. And everyone praises Morris Day's drumming including Prince.

Prince had played drums for about 7 years when Bambi was recorded. It isn't exactly the most complicated song in terms of drumming and a drummer with 7 years of experience can ofcourse pull it off.

No it is not the most complicated drumming. But if your drumming is that good at 20, and you know it's good, wouldn't you allow your drumming style to be more prominent? Cowbell, hi-hat, fills, Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis et al have all said how great Prince is at playing guitar and bass back during their childhood. Never saying anything about his (Prince) drumming. His first album, lots of guitar and keyboards, not heavy on drums. The same can be said for the eponymous Prince album. But it's the style of playing that doesn't really fit.

whendovescry2000 said:

hhhhdmt said:

Prince had played drums for about 7 years when Bambi was recorded. It isn't exactly the most complicated song in terms of drumming and a drummer with 7 years of experience can ofcourse pull it off.

No it is not the most complicated drumming. But if your drumming is that good at 20, and you know it's good, wouldn't you allow your drumming style to be more prominent? Cowbell, hi-hat, fills, Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis et al have all said how great Prince is at playing guitar and bass back during their childhood. Never saying anything about his (Prince) drumming. His first album, lots of guitar and keyboards, not heavy on drums. The same can be said for the eponymous Prince album. But it's the style of playing that doesn't really fit.

Jimmy Jam did praise Prince's drumming, in a recent interview. John Blacwell has praised it too. As far as allowing drums to be more prominent, not necessarily. There are several songs in Prince's work where he could have played a guitar solo but choose not to do so (America is a good example of this). Prince may have an oversized ego ("i got so many hits" lol) but he has a habit of not overplayinhg. Heck Prince can play pretty good bass solos but you dont hear them too often in his work.

whendovescry2000 said:

hhhhdmt said:

Prince had played drums for about 7 years when Bambi was recorded. It isn't exactly the most complicated song in terms of drumming and a drummer with 7 years of experience can ofcourse pull it off.

No it is not the most complicated drumming. But if your drumming is that good at 20, and you know it's good, wouldn't you allow your drumming style to be more prominent? Cowbell, hi-hat, fills, Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis et al have all said how great Prince is at playing guitar and bass back during their childhood. Never saying anything about his (Prince) drumming. His first album, lots of guitar and keyboards, not heavy on drums. The same can be said for the eponymous Prince album. But it's the style of playing that doesn't really fit.

Jimmy Jam in recent interview:

"Back when I was in Junior High, we put together a small band to play for a play or something that the school was doing. I was the drummer and Prince was the guitar player, and I didn't even know he could play the guitar, but he killed it. Anyway, we took a bathroom break one day during practice and I heard someone playing the drums during the break and it was Prince. Even as a kid, he had the ability to pick up any instrument that someone else played and play it 10 times better than them."

You can find the interview here: http://prince.org/msg/7/370809

paulludvig said:

whendovescry2000 said:

No it is not the most complicated drumming. But if your drumming is that good at 20, and you know it's good, wouldn't you allow your drumming style to be more prominent? Cowbell, hi-hat, fills, Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis et al have all said how great Prince is at playing guitar and bass back during their childhood. Never saying anything about his (Prince) drumming. His first album, lots of guitar and keyboards, not heavy on drums. The same can be said for the eponymous Prince album. But it's the style of playing that doesn't really fit.

Jimmy Jam in recent interview:

"Back when I was in Junior High, we put together a small band to play for a play or something that the school was doing. I was the drummer and Prince was the guitar player, and I didn't even know he could play the guitar, but he killed it. Anyway, we took a bathroom break one day during practice and I heard someone playing the drums during the break and it was Prince. Even as a kid, he had the ability to pick up any instrument that someone else played and play it 10 times better than them."

You can find the interview here: http://prince.org/msg/7/370809

Thank you. I will peruse. This is the first time I have ever read anything about Prince playing drums as a child.

steakfinger said:

Replica said:

sometimes I think it's a bit hard to hear the difference between the two, cause Prince is really good at imitating both Morris Day as well as Sheila E, I also think he has influenced their playing as well.

Prince influenced them in terms of work ethic, NOT playing style. Also, I have it on VERY good authority from someone who played with Prince for a long time that Morris played drums on Dirty Mind. He's obviously playing on Irrisistible Bitch as the liner notes to the Crystal Ball track Cloreen Baconskin confirm that both were recorded at the same time using a method of songwriting Prince was into at that moment which was to have Morris play a beat and "direct" him while playing sort of pitchless, percussive bass and then finish it later with lyrics and overdubs. It's on an official release peeps - no need to wonder.

Actually, that's not correct. The liner notes do not say that those two tracks were recorded at the same time, just that other tracks were "cut in the same vibe". The exact words are "The bass line was not important, so he just played the beat on the bass, so 2 speak. A new style of playing derived from this recording style, and several songs were cut in the same vibe - the coolest being Irresistible Bitch".

In fact, the liner notes do say that Cloreen was recorded when Prince and Morris were in the studio working on "What Time Is It?".

This is no way proves that Morris is playing on IB. Its a little difficult to call - Prince was entirely capable of playing the drum track on IB, he's done many that are similar. Also, the long drum-fill in IB is very similar to the same long drum-fill on Crystal Ball, which we know to be Prince.

In answer to the OP, none of the drumming on the first 2 albums sounds like anyone other than Prince and, as mentioned, MD was not around at the time. Prince is a capable and solid drummer with a great sense of timing. He's no virtuoso, but he doesn't need to be. As Prince has said himself, his real talent is that he can make one-man sound like a band - and that means not overplaying any of the instruments he is using to record. They need to blend, whilst retaining an identity.

whendovescry2000 said:

plymouthavenuenorth said:

Even though Prince was tight with Morris in high school, Morris was not around during the first two albums. He came back into the picture right around the time of Dirty Mind. The engineers who worked on those two albums (Steve Fontano and Gary Brandt) said it was all Prince on drums, but there was one drummer around at the time - Bobby Z, who was credited as a "heaven sent helper" on the 2nd album.

Morris has a distinctive style, especially with his fills, and I don't hear that on the first two albums. I was listening to Irresistable B**ch recently and it hit me - there is no question that the drums on the first half of the song are Prince and the second half are done by Morris - the giveaway is the way Morris does his fills (which you can easily check out on the 2nd Time album on songs like The Walk). Someone mentioned that on the org once, but when I heard that recently it was very obvious.

What makes me question though is the drumming style found on Bambi. I note your comment of "Heaven Sent Helper" as credited on the sleeve, but with the entire Jamie Starr myth is it not possible that Morris "not being there" could also be a myth. I read where Bobby Z. stated that he would play a basic pattern and Prince would re-record the drums after he (Prince) had completed the track. Is it not possible that was Morris. Again, Bambi's drum style is incredible (for a 20 year old kid). And you really don't hear that syle again for several albums. Bobby Z. isn't that good. And everyone praises Morris Day's drumming including Prince.

Seriously, "Bambi"'s drumming is not that incredible. I could play that at 14. Its very good for a multi-instrumentalist, but its not exceptional drumming by any means. Its perfect for the track, which is more than the sum of its parts.

Mindflux said:

whendovescry2000 said:

What makes me question though is the drumming style found on Bambi. I note your comment of "Heaven Sent Helper" as credited on the sleeve, but with the entire Jamie Starr myth is it not possible that Morris "not being there" could also be a myth. I read where Bobby Z. stated that he would play a basic pattern and Prince would re-record the drums after he (Prince) had completed the track. Is it not possible that was Morris. Again, Bambi's drum style is incredible (for a 20 year old kid). And you really don't hear that syle again for several albums. Bobby Z. isn't that good. And everyone praises Morris Day's drumming including Prince.

Seriously, "Bambi"'s drumming is not that incredible. I could play that at 14. Its very good for a multi-instrumentalist, but its not exceptional drumming by any means. Its perfect for the track, which is more than the sum of its parts.

No. It's not that incredible for a person who plays the drums as their main instrument. But the more I listen to Bambi and some of his earlier tracks, I really believe that Prince had some help with the drumming. It'seasy now to dismiss these claims now as we, generalizing here, have all seen Prince play drums. My thinking though is if you're Prince and you need this album to be the best, wouldn't you call in your best. Is it not so fathomable that Prince would have asked Morris Day to assist him? And maybe the Party Up/The Time deal is just the tip of the iceberg. What if Morris really helped Prince through the first couple of albums? Again, listen to the tracks. Peruse them but listen to them without the awareness you have of Prince now. Listen to a 20 year old young musician.

Mindflux said:

steakfinger said:

Prince influenced them in terms of work ethic, NOT playing style. Also, I have it on VERY good authority from someone who played with Prince for a long time that Morris played drums on Dirty Mind. He's obviously playing on Irrisistible Bitch as the liner notes to the Crystal Ball track Cloreen Baconskin confirm that both were recorded at the same time using a method of songwriting Prince was into at that moment which was to have Morris play a beat and "direct" him while playing sort of pitchless, percussive bass and then finish it later with lyrics and overdubs. It's on an official release peeps - no need to wonder.

Actually, that's not correct. The liner notes do not say that those two tracks were recorded at the same time, just that other tracks were "cut in the same vibe". The exact words are "The bass line was not important, so he just played the beat on the bass, so 2 speak. A new style of playing derived from this recording style, and several songs were cut in the same vibe - the coolest being Irresistible Bitch".

In fact, the liner notes do say that Cloreen was recorded when Prince and Morris were in the studio working on "What Time Is It?".

This is no way proves that Morris is playing on IB. Its a little difficult to call - Prince was entirely capable of playing the drum track on IB, he's done many that are similar. Also, the long drum-fill in IB is very similar to the same long drum-fill on Crystal Ball, which we know to be Prince.

In answer to the OP, none of the drumming on the first 2 albums sounds like anyone other than Prince and, as mentioned, MD was not around at the time. Prince is a capable and solid drummer with a great sense of timing. He's no virtuoso, but he doesn't need to be. As Prince has said himself, his real talent is that he can make one-man sound like a band - and that means not overplaying any of the instruments he is using to record. They need to blend, whilst retaining an identity.

I must repudiate your response of "...MD was not around at the time." We don't know that. And that's part of the reason for the debate. Prince has stated several times that Morris Day is an excellent drummer "I've never patterned myself after anyone. But my biggest influence was Morris Day [of The Time]. Morris is a good drummer - you should interview him. [See Sidebar.] Besides Morris, I'd watch local musicians.". He was in actuality the original drummer for The Time. And knowing that Morris Day and Prince worked on the Time's first and second albums, would it not be possible for Prince to say "Hey. Can you stick around, I got somes sounds I need to try out."

whendovescry2000 said:

Mindflux said:

Seriously, "Bambi"'s drumming is not that incredible. I could play that at 14. Its very good for a multi-instrumentalist, but its not exceptional drumming by any means. Its perfect for the track, which is more than the sum of its parts.

No. It's not that incredible for a person who plays the drums as their main instrument. But the more I listen to Bambi and some of his earlier tracks, I really believe that Prince had some help with the drumming. It'seasy now to dismiss these claims now as we, generalizing here, have all seen Prince play drums. My thinking though is if you're Prince and you need this album to be the best, wouldn't you call in your best. Is it not so fathomable that Prince would have asked Morris Day to assist him? And maybe the Party Up/The Time deal is just the tip of the iceberg. What if Morris really helped Prince through the first couple of albums? Again, listen to the tracks. Peruse them but listen to them without the awareness you have of Prince now. Listen to a 20 year old young musician.

A 20 year old musician who had practiced for 7 years. And he wasnt an ordinary 20 year old, but a musicial genius. Drums may not be his main instrument but even if he practiced, lets say 4-5 hours on the drums every week, he would have well over a thousand hours of practice and that is more than enough to play Bambi. I respect your opinion but you are underestimating his drumming, a writer for a major drum magazine once said that it was hard to differentiate between Prince's drumming and John Blackwells. Now Prince isnt as good on drums as John Blackwell but he is more than capable.

hhhhdmt said:

whendovescry2000 said:

No. It's not that incredible for a person who plays the drums as their main instrument. But the more I listen to Bambi and some of his earlier tracks, I really believe that Prince had some help with the drumming. It'seasy now to dismiss these claims now as we, generalizing here, have all seen Prince play drums. My thinking though is if you're Prince and you need this album to be the best, wouldn't you call in your best. Is it not so fathomable that Prince would have asked Morris Day to assist him? And maybe the Party Up/The Time deal is just the tip of the iceberg. What if Morris really helped Prince through the first couple of albums? Again, listen to the tracks. Peruse them but listen to them without the awareness you have of Prince now. Listen to a 20 year old young musician.

A 20 year old musician who had practiced for 7 years. And he wasnt an ordinary 20 year old, but a musicial genius. Drums may not be his main instrument but even if he practiced, lets say 4-5 hours on the drums every week, he would have well over a thousand hours of practice and that is more than enough to play Bambi. I respect your opinion but you are underestimating his drumming, a writer for a major drum magazine once said that it was hard to differentiate between Prince's drumming and John Blackwells. Now Prince isnt as good on drums as John Blackwell but he is more than capable.

So when did he practice guitar or bass or piano? People seem to forget genius or not, Prince wasn't the only talent in Minneapolis. It's like no one can even conceive anyone else having any talent near Prince's level. And, it's not that I'm underestimating Prince's drumming ability, the writer you reference is making the comparission to Prince NOW, not Prince then. Can Prince play drums? Yes he can. Could he play the drums for Bambi? Yes he can. What I'm saying is after listening to Bambi consecutively, I do not believe that it's Prince playing the drums for that track. We will never know, but until David Z. told the story behind "Kiss" all of us would have argued against the world that Prince did everything on "Kiss".

steakfinger said:

Replica said:

sometimes I think it's a bit hard to hear the difference between the two, cause Prince is really good at imitating both Morris Day as well as Sheila E, I also think he has influenced their playing as well.

Prince influenced them in terms of work ethic, NOT playing style. Also, I have it on VERY good authority from someone who played with Prince for a long time that Morris played drums on Dirty Mind. He's obviously playing on Irrisistible Bitch as the liner notes to the Crystal Ball track Cloreen Baconskin confirm that both were recorded at the same time using a method of songwriting Prince was into at that moment which was to have Morris play a beat and "direct" him while playing sort of pitchless, percussive bass and then finish it later with lyrics and overdubs. It's on an official release peeps - no need to wonder.

Did he (Morris Day) play drum on Dirty Mind the song or the album (meaning other songs)?

Bobby Z told me that it was only Prince playing drums on his first 3 albums.

So no other drummer there.

Prince is a really good in the pocket drummer so what's the fuss?

plymouthavenuenorth said:

Even though Prince was tight with Morris in high school, Morris was not around during the first two albums. He came back into the picture right around the time of Dirty Mind. The engineers who worked on those two albums (Steve Fontano and Gary Brandt) said it was all Prince on drums, but there was one drummer around at the time - Bobby Z, who was credited as a "heaven sent helper" on the 2nd album.

Morris has a distinctive style, especially with his fills, and I don't hear that on the first two albums. I was listening to Irresistable B**ch recently and it hit me - there is no question that the drums on the first half of the song are Prince and the second half are done by Morris - the giveaway is the way Morris does his fills (which you can easily check out on the 2nd Time album on songs like The Walk). Someone mentioned that on the org once, but when I heard that recently it was very obvious.

That is so not true.Bobby didn't play anything until Purple Rain album

hhhhdmt said:

whendovescry2000 said:

No it is not the most complicated drumming. But if your drumming is that good at 20, and you know it's good, wouldn't you allow your drumming style to be more prominent? Cowbell, hi-hat, fills, Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis et al have all said how great Prince is at playing guitar and bass back during their childhood. Never saying anything about his (Prince) drumming. His first album, lots of guitar and keyboards, not heavy on drums. The same can be said for the eponymous Prince album. But it's the style of playing that doesn't really fit.

Jimmy Jam did praise Prince's drumming, in a recent interview. John Blacwell has praised it too. As far as allowing drums to be more prominent, not necessarily. There are several songs in Prince's work where he could have played a guitar solo but choose not to do so (America is a good example of this). Prince may have an oversized ego ("i got so many hits" lol) but he has a habit of not overplayinhg. Heck Prince can play pretty good bass solos but you dont hear them too often in his work.

"...There are several songs in Prine's work where he could have played a guitar solo but chose not to." Again, you are drawing your examples from his latter work. Please, just think about the first and second albums. Remove all following from your mind albums, songs and live performances as well as his work with the Time. With only the first and second albums as your gauge - you really can't say "HEY THAT"S PRINCE Playing!" can you?

whendovescry2000 said:

hhhhdmt said:

Prince had played drums for about 7 years when Bambi was recorded. It isn't exactly the most complicated song in terms of drumming and a drummer with 7 years of experience can ofcourse pull it off.

No it is not the most complicated drumming. But if your drumming is that good at 20, and you know it's good, wouldn't you allow your drumming style to be more prominent? Cowbell, hi-hat, fills, Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis et al have all said how great Prince is at playing guitar and bass back during their childhood. Never saying anything about his (Prince) drumming. His first album, lots of guitar and keyboards, not heavy on drums. The same can be said for the eponymous Prince album. But it's the style of playing that doesn't really fit.

Nooooo this is not true.As of recently Jimmy Jam said in an interview that he was going to high school with Prince and first time he played with Prince Jimmy Jam was on drums and Prince played some great guitar.Jimmy Jam went to a toalet and when he come back he was amazed how great Prince was on drums.

Jimmy Jam said that Prince can pick any instrument and play it better then you.

So don't underestimate Prince's ability on popular music instruments(Guitar,bass ,keyboard and drums)

He proved it so many many times he plays it on a proffesional level.

thebanishedone said:

Bobby Z told me that it was only Prince playing drums on his first 3 albums.

So no other drummer there.

Prince is a really good in the pocket drummer so what's the fuss?

Interesting. I read an interview he (Bobby Z.) gave where he said that he would play along with the lead track and Prince would come back later and re-record the drum track. He (Bobby Z.) would know until he heard the completed track and woudl think - Hey. I didn't play that?

whendovescry2000 said:

thebanishedone said:

Bobby Z told me that it was only Prince playing drums on his first 3 albums.

So no other drummer there.

Prince is a really good in the pocket drummer so what's the fuss?

Interesting. I read an interview he (Bobby Z.) gave where he said that he would play along with the lead track and Prince would come back later and re-record the drum track. He (Bobby Z.) would know until he heard the completed track and woudl think - Hey. I didn't play that?

I discussed with Bobby and i told you what he said.

So it's Prince on Bambi.

Man Prince is not Billy Cobham but he is very good and he evolved on drums.

Listen to Glass Cutter,that is a serious drumming and it's Prince.

And you can hear a Blackwell influence on it.

thebanishedone said:

So don't underestimate Prince's ability on popular music instruments(Guitar,bass ,keyboard and drums)

He proved it so many many times he plays it on a proffesional level.

Again - I am not underestimating Prince's ability to play an instrument. I am saying that it isn't him playing drums on a few of his exhaulted creations.

Prince is not type of player who will overplay on any instrument in studio.

In fact i'm suprised how simple Prince's guitar solo's were on the 80's record.

But that's Prince style sound on the first and playing ability on the second place,the same goes with drums.

Prince is a much better drummere then he displays it,but in the end drumm is about rhythm,in the pocket,time,not solos

whendovescry2000 said:

thebanishedone said:

So don't underestimate Prince's ability on popular music instruments(Guitar,bass ,keyboard and drums)

He proved it so many many times he plays it on a proffesional level.

Again - I am not underestimating Prince's ability to play an instrument. I am saying that it isn't him playing drums on a few of his exhaulted creations.

Prince didn't play drums only when he didn't want to.

The first drum playing on a Prince record containg other drummer then him is on the album Purple Rain.

Prince have very characteristic way of play kick drum,snare drum ,when you hear it you just know it's him.

thebanishedone said:

whendovescry2000 said:

Interesting. I read an interview he (Bobby Z.) gave where he said that he would play along with the lead track and Prince would come back later and re-record the drum track. He (Bobby Z.) would know until he heard the completed track and woudl think - Hey. I didn't play that?

I discussed with Bobby and i told you what he said.

So it's Prince on Bambi.

Man Prince is not Billy Cobham but he is very good and he evolved on drums.

Listen to Glass Cutter,that is a serious drumming and it's Prince.

And you can hear a Blackwell influence on it.

No problem but his interview (Bobby Z.) is no different that you speaking to him. That's what he said in the interview. If he actually saw Prince playing drums for said tracks (not just Bambi) then I could say okay I believe you. But this is the same camp that tried to convince us there was a Jamie Starr. That each of the members of the Time played/composed a song on their first album.