wonder505 said:

funksterr said:

Hmm... How is there any "revolt and revenge against Prince" when these bands invited Prince to participate with their new music? That's extremely illogical isn't it? Is it that hard to think things through before reacting?.

why won't you follow your own advice and reread my comment. if you can read that is. my statement was directed at those who probably wanted FDeluxe/O7 to revolt against Prince for forcing them to change the name, but that's not going to happen at least with FDeluxe since we now know they went to Paisley Park.

Uh...yeah..SURE that's what you meant. Not that you are making any sense even now, because BOTH bands have said publicly all along that they love and respect Prince and want to work with him going forward. So your comments about a "revolt" make no sense.

funksterr said:

They are taking the high road and extending an olive branch. Ultimately, they are leaving the door open for a better future relationship with him. Nothing crazy about that. I personaly doubt, they will EVER get Prince to give, sell, or negotiate anything with them. But you can't blame them for trying.

And yes, Prince did turn down working on the albums with the bands. And also every variation of a revenue split,sell or tranfer of rights to the back catalog or band names or anything else for that matter. The Time and FDeluxe have both mentioned it.

OK, I haven't seen either band mention asking P. to work on their respective albums, just about the names, but I'll defer to your better judgement/memory.

I agree about them taking the high road/extending an olive branch. Ultimately, I think Prince is the one losing out by being so rigid publically, even if not privately.

funksterr said:

NouveauDance said:

Are you sure you're not getting things a mid muddled? The issue was with use of the names, not with Prince working on the albums AFAIK.

They are taking the high road and extending an olive branch. Ultimately, they are leaving the door open for a better future relationship with him. Nothing crazy about that. I personaly doubt, they will EVER get Prince to give, sell, or negotiate anything with them. But you can't blame them for trying.

And yes, Prince did turn down working on the albums with the bands. And also every variation of a revenue split,sell or tranfer of rights to the back catalog or band names or anything else for that matter. The Time and FDeluxe have both mentioned it. WB is not the issue.

As I expected. This wasn't really about the name, was it? It was about rights to the back catalog. And ultimately about money. And not just for Prince, but for both parties.

rdhull said:

When it comes to fdeluxe, if I were Prince I would audit the sales and overhead once again to see if they are in fact still owed any money, and if there is anything due to them, cut them a check and be done with them. Send them packing. But after all of this mess, he should never give them the name or one penny more than they are due.

I am embarrassed for this group more than anything.

paulludvig said:

funksterr said:

They are taking the high road and extending an olive branch. Ultimately, they are leaving the door open for a better future relationship with him. Nothing crazy about that. I personaly doubt, they will EVER get Prince to give, sell, or negotiate anything with them. But you can't blame them for trying.

And yes, Prince did turn down working on the albums with the bands. And also every variation of a revenue split,sell or tranfer of rights to the back catalog or band names or anything else for that matter. The Time and FDeluxe have both mentioned it. WB is not the issue.

As I expected. This wasn't really about the name, was it? It was about rights to the back catalog. And ultimately about money. And not just for Prince, but for both parties.

Umm.... nobody said that. Don't try to spin it. The point is that Prince was basicly allowed to set the conditions and terms under which he would allow the use of the names and he declined to do so. Various deals were offered to him, but he refused to negotiate any aspect of the issue. Get it?

funksterr said:

paulludvig said:

As I expected. This wasn't really about the name, was it? It was about rights to the back catalog. And ultimately about money. And not just for Prince, but for both parties.

Umm.... nobody said that. Don't try to spin it. The point is that Prince was basicly allowed to set the conditions and terms under which he would allow the use of the names and he declined to do so. Various deals were offered to him, but he refused to negotiate any aspect of the issue. Get it?

Are you saying that all members of Fdeluxe (and/or the O7) were willing to give up all legal rights to the back catalog as long as they were allowed to use the names?

paulludvig said:

funksterr said:

Umm.... nobody said that. Don't try to spin it. The point is that Prince was basicly allowed to set the conditions and terms under which he would allow the use of the names and he declined to do so. Various deals were offered to him, but he refused to negotiate any aspect of the issue. Get it?

Are you saying that all members of Fdeluxe (and/or the O7) were willing to give up all legal rights to the back catalog as long as they were allowed to use the names?

They don't have any rights to the back catalog to give up.

funksterr said:

paulludvig said:

Are you saying that all members of Fdeluxe (and/or the O7) were willing to give up all legal rights to the back catalog as long as they were allowed to use the names?

They don't have any rights to the back catalog to give up.

Why then did you mention possible "sell or transfer of rights to the back catalog" in post #52 in this thread?

paulludvig said:

funksterr said:

They don't have any rights to the back catalog to give up.

Why then did you mention possible "sell or transfer of rights to the back catalog" in post #52 in this thread?

According to Jimmy Jam, The Time asked Prince if he would sell them the rights and he declined. That's just one of many options they presented to him that he declined.

funksterr said:

wonder505 said:

why won't you follow your own advice and reread my comment. if you can read that is. my statement was directed at those who probably wanted FDeluxe/O7 to revolt against Prince for forcing them to change the name, but that's not going to happen at least with FDeluxe since we now know they went to Paisley Park.

Uh...yeah..SURE that's what you meant. Not that you are making any sense even now, because BOTH bands have said publicly all along that they love and respect Prince and want to work with him going forward. So your comments about a "revolt" make no sense.

You remind me of the quote "Don't bother explaining because people are going to hear what they want to hear". The Orger in this thread indicated that FDeluxe should have decline his invitation. My point to him or whomever feels that way was too bad, they are not going to behave in that manner or any manner that seems vengeful. Prince invited them, they went. Wendy and Lisa still chilling out with him. As another Orger said, people here actually take things more personally than them. If you can't understand again, then I just feel sorry for you. I don't know how more clear or kindergarden to put it for you.

I would speculate that they were there to persuade Prince to join in the Revolution reunion in Feb for Bobby Z...

funksterr said:

According to Jimmy Jam, The Time asked Prince if he would sell them the rights and he declined. That's just one of many options they presented to him that he declined.

Do you have a link to this, or was it on the recent DVD or something?

Asking for rights to records they never played on seems odd. I can understand wanting transfer of the name, but not, say, the first 3 Time records.

funkmunki said:

rdhull said:

agreed

all this from the moron who told us all how out of this world the Lotusflow3r website was, what a kiss ass....

I most certainly did NOT. I wrote about the night I was invited, what happened, and on some of what was shown to us and told was going to or supposed to happen.

Besides, I looked into Princes' eyes..wtf do you expect?

I JUST KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING GOIN ON!

NouveauDance said:

funksterr said:

According to Jimmy Jam, The Time asked Prince if he would sell them the rights and he declined. That's just one of many options they presented to him that he declined.

Do you have a link to this, or was it on the recent DVD or something?

Asking for rights to records they never played on seems odd. I can understand wanting transfer of the name, but not, say, the first 3 Time records.

First... it's not odd for a band to assume control of it's master tapes at some point. It does not matter who played on the tracks, it's the band's album. But even then Morris Day is on every track so to say "records they never played on" is incorrect. And everyone probably knows they are all on the Pandemonium album.

As far as a link goes, I don't remember which interview it is on. It has to be in one of the links though here in the associated artists forum on one of the O7 threads because that would be the only way I would have come across it.

Why are people focusing on who owns what, who did what, whos fucked over what?

The fact of the matter is, The Family went to PP and that means something. Who cares who dogged who (because if you really wanna go there we can..I mean yall expect him to be all cozy with his ex fiance' and dude who jetted on his project that gave him any kinds of recognition etc?).

Maybe there is a healing process going on that we all will get to benefit from. Let it be that and let it happen. No need for all this "so and so did this to so and so..but this is why..its the reocrd company and lawyers..so and so dont like ice cream!" Why all this held onto animosity when yall aint even friggin involved?

Because when the magic happens again, I bet all of yall will attend an event that involves Prince and the proteges, looking like idiots decrying Prince when the major players in this whole thing have reconciled and eating capn crunch with him for months while yall steady bullshittin..on a website lol.

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[Edited 11/6/11 23:35pm]

wonder505 said:

funksterr said:

Uh...yeah..SURE that's what you meant. Not that you are making any sense even now, because BOTH bands have said publicly all along that they love and respect Prince and want to work with him going forward. So your comments about a "revolt" make no sense.

You remind me of the quote "Don't bother explaining because people are going to hear what they want to hear". The Orger in this thread indicated that FDeluxe should have decline his invitation. My point to him or whomever feels that way was too bad, they are not going to behave in that manner or any manner that seems vengeful. Prince invited them, they went. Wendy and Lisa still chilling out with him. As another Orger said, people here actually take things more personally than them. If you can't understand again, then I just feel sorry for you. I don't know how more clear or kindergarden to put it for you.

Is that something that you read somewhere or is that how it played out in your imagination? Prince invited WHO to WHERE?

rdhull said:

funkmunki said:

all this from the moron who told us all how out of this world the Lotusflow3r website was, what a kiss ass....

I most certainly did NOT. I wrote about the night I was invited, what happened, and on some of what was shown to us and told was going to or supposed to happen.

Besides, I looked into Princes' eyes..wtf do you expect?

indeed you wrote about the night, and i supose it,s hard to see past the purple haze when your in the precence of Prince but people do have the right to say what they want without being called a moron.

funkmunki said:

rdhull said:

I most certainly did NOT. I wrote about the night I was invited, what happened, and on some of what was shown to us and told was going to or supposed to happen.

Besides, I looked into Princes' eyes..wtf do you expect?

indeed you wrote about the night, and i supose it,s hard to see past the purple haze when your in the precence of Prince but people do have the right to say what they want without being called a moron.

Yeah thats what I thought.

And it IS moronic to bicker about shit folks arent privy too on a continual BIASED basis and I will contiune to call it that. Got a problem with that "newbie?" Then oh fuckin well.

'purple haze' edit: and for the record, fuck anyone tying to speak on my experience as a negative.

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[Edited 11/6/11 23:52pm]

funksterr said:

wonder505 said:

You remind me of the quote "Don't bother explaining because people are going to hear what they want to hear". The Orger in this thread indicated that FDeluxe should have decline his invitation. My point to him or whomever feels that way was too bad, they are not going to behave in that manner or any manner that seems vengeful. Prince invited them, they went. Wendy and Lisa still chilling out with him. As another Orger said, people here actually take things more personally than them. If you can't understand again, then I just feel sorry for you. I don't know how more clear or kindergarden to put it for you.

Is that something that you read somewhere or is that how it played out in your imagination? Prince invited WHO to WHERE?

so my kindergarden explanation was still too hard for you???? again if you can read I was responding to a post earlier in this thread that stated he/she would have declined Prince's invitation to Paisley Park. My point was directed at that statement. in addition, unless FDeluxe showed up unannounced knocking on the door to be let in the man's studio, yes I think its safe to say that an invitation was sent. for you ask to ask "Prince invited who to where" you obviously got comprehension issues. Not let's see what else you gonna come back with your ball of confusion over simple statements

wonder505 said:

funksterr said:

Uh...yeah..SURE that's what you meant. Not that you are making any sense even now, because BOTH bands have said publicly all along that they love and respect Prince and want to work with him going forward. So your comments about a "revolt" make no sense.

You remind me of the quote "Don't bother explaining because people are going to hear what they want to hear". The Orger in this thread indicated that FDeluxe should have decline his invitation. My point to him or whomever feels that way was too bad, they are not going to behave in that manner or any manner that seems vengeful. Prince invited them, they went. Wendy and Lisa still chilling out with him. As another Orger said, people here actually take things more personally than them. If you can't understand again, then I just feel sorry for you. I don't know how more clear or kindergarden to put it for you.

Re: the bolded part--FOR REAL THOUGH.

Wendy & Lisa, fDeluxe, Original 7ven -- they are accomplished in their own right, and don't seem to need help standing up for themselves. Whatever has gone down between them and Prince, they have seemed to come to some kind of terms with... but some folks on here holdin' grudges that ain't even theirs to hold. Let it go. The former bandmembers have. And even if they haven't we don't have anything to do with that.

rdhull said:

Why are people focusing on who owns what, who did what, whos fucked over what?

The fact of the matter is, The Family went to PP and that means something. Who cares who dogged who (because if you really wanna go there we can..i mean yall expect him to be all cozy with his ex fiance' and dude who jetted on his project that gave him any kinds of recognition etc?).

Maybe there is a healing process going on that we all will get to benefit from. Let it be that and let it happen. No need for all this "so and so did this to so and so..but this is why..its the reocrd company and lawyers..so and so dont like ice cream!" Why all this held onto animosity when yall aint even friggin involved?

Because when the m agic happens again, I bet all of yall will attend an event that involves Prince and the proteges, looki like idiots decrying Prince when the major players n this whole thing have reconciled and eating capn crunch with him for months while yall steady bullshittin..on a website lol.

mask said:

wonder505 said:

funksterr said:

Is that something that you read somewhere or is that how it played out in your imagination? Prince invited WHO to WHERE?

so my kindergarden explanation was still too hard for you???? again if you can read I was responding to a post earlier in this thread that stated he/she would have declined Prince's invitation to Paisley Park. My point was directed at that statement. in addition, unless FDeluxe showed up unannounced knocking on the door to be let in the man's studio, yes I think its safe to say that an invitation was sent. for you ask to ask "Prince invited who to where" you obviously got comprehension issues. Not let's see what else you gonna come back with your ball of confusion over simple statements

Actually St Paul, by his own admission, has gone by PP unannounced in the past. It was in a 2004 Star Tribune article, where he mentioned leaving Prince a thank you note. So it probably is not safe to assume Prince invited them. But at least you admitted that you made that part up.

NuPwrSoul said:

wonder505 said:

You remind me of the quote "Don't bother explaining because people are going to hear what they want to hear". The Orger in this thread indicated that FDeluxe should have decline his invitation. My point to him or whomever feels that way was too bad, they are not going to behave in that manner or any manner that seems vengeful. Prince invited them, they went. Wendy and Lisa still chilling out with him. As another Orger said, people here actually take things more personally than them. If you can't understand again, then I just feel sorry for you. I don't know how more clear or kindergarden to put it for you.

Re: the bolded part--FOR REAL THOUGH.

Wendy & Lisa, fDeluxe, Original 7ven -- they are accomplished in their own right, and don't seem to need help standing up for themselves. Whatever has gone down between them and Prince, they have seemed to come to some kind of terms with... but some folks on here holdin' grudges that ain't even theirs to hold. Let it go. The former bandmembers have. And even if they haven't we don't have anything to do with that.

That's what happens when you stick to facts, even when they don't necessarily flatter Prince. Fams don't want you to say it. They want to imagine Prince up on his pedestal where they can GUSH ALL OVER HIM and he can never do anything wrong.

funksterr said:

And everyone probably knows they are all on the Pandemonium album.

I did say the first 3 LPs

funksterr said:

wonder505 said:

so my kindergarden explanation was still too hard for you???? again if you can read I was responding to a post earlier in this thread that stated he/she would have declined Prince's invitation to Paisley Park. My point was directed at that statement. in addition, unless FDeluxe showed up unannounced knocking on the door to be let in the man's studio, yes I think its safe to say that an invitation was sent. for you ask to ask "Prince invited who to where" you obviously got comprehension issues. Not let's see what else you gonna come back with your ball of confusion over simple statements

Actually St Paul, by his own admission, has gone by PP unannounced in the past. It was in a 2004 Star Tribune article, where he mentioned leaving Prince a thank you note. So it probably is not safe to assume Prince invited them. But at least you admitted that you made that part up.

Such confusion over simple English is mind boggling. whatever St. Paul did in 2004, has nothing to do with now. I can't see the band just showing up unannounced after having such a disagreement over the name, so IMO i think its safe to say that the invitation was from Prince. and even if I was wrong, Once again, I was responding to a post which stated that he/she would have declined Prince's invitation. I didn't just make up the invitation just for the sake of it. Whether it really happened or it was a hypothetical point, it was just a response to that point. do you undertand that part or do you want me to draw a diagram for you or show you flash cards with pictures to help?

[Edited 11/7/11 7:53am]

This thread is getting confusing, all I want to know is WAS THERE A TREEHOUSE INVOLVED OR NOT?!?!?!?!?!!!!!

[Edited 11/7/11 7:34am]

funksterr said:

NuPwrSoul said:

Re: the bolded part--FOR REAL THOUGH.

Wendy & Lisa, fDeluxe, Original 7ven -- they are accomplished in their own right, and don't seem to need help standing up for themselves. Whatever has gone down between them and Prince, they have seemed to come to some kind of terms with... but some folks on here holdin' grudges that ain't even theirs to hold. Let it go. The former bandmembers have. And even if they haven't we don't have anything to do with that.

That's what happens when you stick to facts, even when they don't necessarily flatter Prince. Fams don't want you to say it. They want to imagine Prince up on his pedestal where they can GUSH ALL OVER HIM and he can never do anything wrong.

equally you have Prince haters here who post nothing but negative stuff, claim they have been interested in one single track in 25 years ( which to me is bizarre to still follow the guy) and hate on everything he does even when they don't have the facts. You have both sides of the coin here. and What's wrong with gushing over him. They're fans right? Squabbles between Prince and associated artists have nothing to do with any of us, so some people don't take it personally like the some haters do. I personally have a life with my own problems so why take these issues between strangers personally. I could care less. Does that mean Prince is right all the time, no, does that mean you shouldn't voice your objection, no but some just don't take it that personally. If he did do them wrong and they can come together and work it out...then cool.