I had a discussion with this 18 year old guy.

He knows his music and is generally a reasonable guy.

When talking about Prince he told me Prince is a nostalgic act for the oldies like me. It's for the thirty somethings and older.

He and his friends do dig Otis Redding and Marving Gaye, however can't be bothered with Prince. Therefore, he claims, Prince didn't pass the test of time. He only can capture the generation that grew up with him. Not the current young generation.

What do you guys think? Does he have a point?

i just turned 20, and i just became a huge prince fan this year. so i think he probably did. when i let my friends hear some of these old songs from the early 80s, they enjoy them also. and ive even dragged a few friends to concerts this year

uuhson said:

i just turned 20, and i just became a huge prince fan this year. so i think he probably did. when i let my friends hear some of these old songs from the early 80s, they enjoy them also. and ive even dragged a few friends to concerts this year

What kind of 'old' music are you in?

That's also a thing I talked about with him. He talks about Prince as if he's dead. And I told him, he's still very alive and has been producing an album yearly (almost).

For him, there's only Prince in the '80's. I will try to get him to listen to newer albums. However, I don't think he'll be impressed. Because he not impressed with his 80's albums too.

Maybe he's just being a teenager, because his parents are also Prince fans. On the other hand, he has pretty cool parents. And he loves them dearly, I don't think he ever rebelled against them. There was no need for that.

So, what do your friends think of Prince? And are you and your friends listening to all kind of music, or mainly the current hits?

If you go by the number of new fans who post on Org; many are in their late teens and early 20's. So I would say that he has.

dJJ said:

I had a discussion with this 18 year old guy.

He knows his music and is generally a reasonable guy.

When talking about Prince he told me Prince is a nostalgic act for the oldies like me. It's for the thirty somethings and older.

He and his friends do dig Otis Redding and Marving Gaye, however can't be bothered with Prince. Therefore, he claims, Prince didn't pass the test of time. He only can capture the generation that grew up with him. Not the current young generation.

What do you guys think? Does he have a point?

Who is Marving Gaye?

I have questions...What is 'the test of time' anyway? If some old music gets popular for younger generation, that's passing the test of time?

He and his friends do dig Otis Redding and Marving Gaye, however can't be bothered with Prince. Therefore, he claims, Prince didn't pass the test of time. He only can capture the generation that grew up with him. Not the current young generation

He doesn't sound like a reasonable guy to me..He seems to claim Prince is someone who's only appealing to the generation that grew up with him, just because he and his friends can't get into Prince. I really don't like that kind of arrogance. He needs to realize "personal musical taste" plays a big roll. And the fact that he and his friends don't represent the entire generation..

mzsadii said:

If you go by the number of new fans who post on Org; many are in their late teens and early 20's. So I would say that he has.

I've noticed that too. I think it's cute

I guess I used to think Ray Charles, and Frank Sinatra were oldies and not so goodies, but that opinion evolved as I came to understand them better. I doubt Prince is insecure in his legacy just because some teenagers nowadays don't dig him.

don't be bothered with other people's ignorrance when it comes to Prince,

Prince deserves to be taken seriously. But a lot of people knows his songs Kiss and When Doves Cry and believes Prince is a "pop singer" only.

His classic Warner Bros. albums will always be in "class 1".

As a musician, singer, songwriter, producer.... he is more "all round", and even better than Marvin Gaye and others...

Nothing compares 2 Prince.... imho. Prince is in league #1....

(ps. too bad about the post Warner music 1996-2011 isn't that good, "free the music", let me I ask WHEN will that happen????)

1. It's a matter of taste, which is always subjective.

2. He's 18 - Tastes change, maybe he's too young to realise that just yet, but I know when I was 18 I had my opinions on music, most of which have been completely blown up as my tastes have changed, matured and done a total 180.

dJJ said:

uuhson said:

i just turned 20, and i just became a huge prince fan this year. so i think he probably did. when i let my friends hear some of these old songs from the early 80s, they enjoy them also. and ive even dragged a few friends to concerts this year

What kind of 'old' music are you in?

That's also a thing I talked about with him. He talks about Prince as if he's dead. And I told him, he's still very alive and has been producing an album yearly (almost).

For him, there's only Prince in the '80's. I will try to get him to listen to newer albums. However, I don't think he'll be impressed. Because he not impressed with his 80's albums too.

Maybe he's just being a teenager, because his parents are also Prince fans. On the other hand, he has pretty cool parents. And he loves them dearly, I don't think he ever rebelled against them. There was no need for that.

So, what do your friends think of Prince? And are you and your friends listening to all kind of music, or mainly the current hits?

well every young person i know for the most part thinks hes a gay strictly-pop song and dance man

[Edited 11/1/11 1:21am]

Yes, ofcourse. I'm 16 myself, and I'm fan for almost 3,5 years now.

I have a friend(well, she lives like 45 minutes away from me.) and I met her through the internet, and she is also a huge Prince fan and just 15 now.

I think that he can attract young fans to his music. I think his music is timeless.

If u listen to ''Hot Thing'' for example it still sound so fresh. It could be almost a song from this year.

A lot of music of Prince(especially now last 3 years ) is timeless and still sounds fresh today. I even dare to say fresher than most 80's music.

But ofcourse yes, it's mostly ignorance. People only know the hits. Other stuff is mostly unknown. But there are way better songs that Prince made than ''Purple Rain''.

Eye don't believe it's a matter of if he stands the test of time. An amazing person, he's articulate in getting accross to any who care to listen. Does he care what we think?... it's only my opinion but eye think he just really loves to make music.... like the rest of us he wishes the world could be a better place in which to live together. He's a genius when it comes to music. Whether or not you like his sound is personal but it doesn't change that fact. This is only my opinion.

dJJ said:

I had a discussion with this 18 year old guy.

He knows his music and is generally a reasonable guy.

Doesn't seem like he really does/is.

Prince imo passes the test of time more easily than most great artists before him. Even without a lot of media exposure, he still draws new and very young fans. Prince has fans of all ages.

well prince is considered one of the top ten acts of all time by his fellow musicians...well above marvin gaye and others...i dont really think an 18 year old can judge what great music is from the last 50 years...i didnt appeciate bob dylan until i was in my 30s....

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if he listens to the albums properly..then comes back in ten years time and still has the same opinion...then at least i will take him seriously...

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and music isnt all subjective...some of it is.....

THIS WILL BE A LITTLE LONG BUT...

I have to say that i disagree. i'm 19 now and for a few years now, Prince has been my favorite artist period. I truly appreciate his music. No i'm not 1 of those ppl who think he can do no wrong & i'm not 1 that likes all of his work.

BUT HOWEVER, when i first saw purple rain on tv at age 14-15, something about him caught my eye. For years i've been a mj fan and still am but not as much as prince. I have every released work, tons of unreleased things as well as bootlegs. After watching purple rain, i became interested. He helped me want to expand my musical vocabulary to more than just mj and hip-hop/r&b (current music)

i don't think i was born in the right era. i love oldies more than anything now. parliament funkadelic, miles davis, jimi hendrix and all that. i also like different genres. i'm open to more things now. Quality work stands out.

i try to get my friends to listen to prince. A few do, some think he's just known for wearing women's clothes and singing about sex or that he's gay.

I also think thru listening to everything, he's 1 of the best musicians ever and i'm going out on a limb, but to me, the best guitarist of this century. that's just my opinion.

I think if you're open & know what good music is you could get into him. You do have to try to understand him at all points of his life to understand different songs tho.

Both of my teenage kids LOVE Prince.

prince is some 1 who grows on u & when u least expect it he gets u. I remember hate in him in

1982.

Then i went 2 the movies & saw purple rain with an ex.

he blew my mind and have bean a fan since.

went 2 a hallowean do at work and the live act closed there show with purple rain i was surprised by the amount of youngsters singing it and shouting how they loved prince.

legend

My kids are too young to grasp him just yet (although my two year old loves to dance to his music already), but my teenage niece and nephew love Prince's music.

My nephew even dressed as him for a school costume event. That was so cool.

But even if they didn't like Prince's music, I know Prince's music will stand the test of time.

His image was dragged through the mud to a certain degree in the late 80's and 90's, but his body of work is timeless and will be cherished for generations to come.

Interestingly, I still go to record conventions every month or so, and the guys with Prince music seem to be doing great. Even with endless flow of free downloads on the web, P still sells cd's and dvd's at these conventions, no problem.

Both Otis and Marvin died rather young, so maybe your friend doesn't realize that their mortality gave them legendary status and that's why he may be intrigued by them?

If Prince sold/promoted/pimped his brand more, the kiddies would be into him. People buy anything if TV says it's cool.

alphastreet said:

Both Otis and Marvin died rather young, so maybe your friend doesn't realize that their mortality gave them legendary status and that's why he may be intrigued by them?

Marvin already reached legend status when he got popped off. Otis went before his time too early.

dJJ said:

I had a discussion with this 18 year old guy.

He knows his music and is generally a reasonable guy.

When talking about Prince he told me Prince is a nostalgic act for the oldies like me. It's for the thirty somethings and older.

He and his friends do dig Otis Redding and Marving Gaye, however can't be bothered with Prince. Therefore, he claims, Prince didn't pass the test of time. He only can capture the generation that grew up with him. Not the current young generation.

What do you guys think? Does he have a point?

I'm guessing he personally relates more to Marvin and Otis than Prince. Who knows how he'll be in 12 years...

It's all objective of course...but IMO he will definitely pass the test of time.

Just look at all the teens on the Org!

(Hopefully they stay away from the GD forum... )

Timmy84 said:

alphastreet said:

Both Otis and Marvin died rather young, so maybe your friend doesn't realize that their mortality gave them legendary status and that's why he may be intrigued by them?

Marvin already reached legend status when he got popped off. Otis went before his time too early.

I know but they may think otherwise...like the idiots who think mj became a legend with death

[Edited 11/1/11 14:16pm]

dJJ said:

I had a discussion with this 18 year old guy.

He knows his music and is generally a reasonable guy.

When talking about Prince he told me Prince is a nostalgic act for the oldies like me. It's for the thirty somethings and older.

He and his friends do dig Otis Redding and Marving Gaye, however can't be bothered with Prince. Therefore, he claims, Prince didn't pass the test of time. He only can capture the generation that grew up with him. Not the current young generation.

What do you guys think? Does he have a point?

Your mate is an idiot!

Well I'm only 15 and I started listening to Prince when I was 14 just this year in May. I personally think Prince passes the test of time but it kind of depends the songs I play. I love all of Prince's work from 1978-1988 and I love a lot of his other work as well. All of my friends think I'm weird because I listen to MJ and Prince and a bunch of oldies. But when one girl asked me about Prince because she saw the Dirty Mind album in my house she thought he was some gay guy with terrible music. I played a few songs from the Purple Rain album and Sign o' the Times and she loved them and they sounded fresh to her. I think that a lot of Prince's work is timeless since it's so original yet influenced by other music. I think that the Sign o' the Times album will always be timeless for example. But most people my age just can't get past his image so they don't even bother to listen to the music.

dJJ said:

I had a discussion with this 18 year old guy.

He knows his music and is generally a reasonable guy.

When talking about Prince he told me Prince is a nostalgic act for the oldies like me. It's for the thirty somethings and older.

He and his friends do dig Otis Redding and Marving Gaye, however can't be bothered with Prince. Therefore, he claims, Prince didn't pass the test of time. He only can capture the generation that grew up with him. Not the current young generation.

What do you guys think? Does he have a point?

Nah,

this dude is a fool. Otis Redding and Marvin Gay are, to a certain extent, more known to the young generation. I don't know why. But they are cool for some reason, as are other oldy soul acts.

Prince does need to release a lot of his live stuff. IMO it shows why he is a genius. His Funk can really grab you, his combination of rock and funk is genius. You can't always hear this on the released albums.

Of course it does not help that his latest releases are unknown and often below par.

What I do not think is that in 200 years time as many people will listen to Prince as they will to Mozart, Bach etc. But that is another story.

I was playing Controversy (and other Prince songs) in the car with my 15 and 16-year-old nieces, and the next time I saw them they had Controversy in their ipods.

PurpleJedi said:

It's all objective of course...but IMO he will definitely pass the test of time.

Just look at all the teens on the Org!

(Hopefully they stay away from the GD forum... )

Too late ..