FunkDr said:

that's my point Nouveau - he has and when he has, he gets slammed on here for it - e.g. 20Ten album.

Oh okay! Well I slammed #Trendin' too, so my distain is democratic!

Timmy84 said:

He's still in rehab, you forgot?

that's what I was thinking Has he announced plans for a new album?

FunkDr said:

So The Time / O7ven release their first album in c. 20yrs and all of a sudden they're outdoing Prince ? HA !!!

how many great songs and tours has Prince done in that time? HECKASTACKS !!

If Prince released this song he would be slammed for it - lazy lyrics (basically naming car manufacturers and repeating chants from old songs) over synth lines and funk guitar that he / they were doing in the '80's !!

Because The Time have no substance or depth to their music - it is usually just great/silly fun songs to bob your head to - it is instant and easier to like from the off - like fast food !

They are and never have been even close to being in Prince's sphere in ANY field - songwriting, singing, musicianship, live performance. They are good live and I have seen them live ...it was FUN... but they are never going to take you places that Prince does live. He is in a different galaxy compared to their fooling around to what are essentially simple n fun songs.

Yes, I know that Prince has said that they were the only live band he feared but c'mon - he was hyping them - the more they sold, the more $ for P ! For 1 night only, to the casual observer, they might seem close - again it is because they are easier to absorb both visually and musically - nothing challenging !! Whereas Prince, through '80-'83 was often a "WTF was that ?" experience - a total headfunk !! Once you've seen the Time live, you've seen 'em !

Just enjoy both for what they are - but please let's keep a little perspective on where both sit in the pantheons of music !!

Now, I'm off to get me a lil' condensation !!

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[Edited 10/20/11 2:18am]

Don't be coming in here using sound LOGIC.

What's wrong with u?

alxndrstff said:

SoulAlive said:

Song of the day: "Cadillac" by the Original 7Ven

If Prince had released that, it would have taken an absolute pounding on here.

Nouveau & GrayCap

I'm going to agree with Graycap23 and FunkDr, because I think some folks have lost their sense of reality. There's really no competition between the two, to be honest.

Original7ven aka The Time, are who they are because of Prince. Even with the name change. Same members, style of appearance, different name, but technically still "The Time". I think their music style will be similar to the former 'Time' and they will probably use similar comedic gestures and characterizations of themselves as performers on stage, especially Morris and Jerome, which fans often associate with members of the former 'Time'. No I haven't listened to the entire album yet, but the titles alone are a giveaway to what I can expect, and so far quite a few fans seem to like the cd.

Don't get me wrong, this is not to put the group down, as I like the group, always have, but it would take them 2 lifetimes to catch up with Prince's catalogue, which they shouldn't even be compared to starting out as the "Original7ven"with their own music. Prior to that, in the 80s they were a 'bite from Prince's music and career' and under their new name, just like in the 80s, many of their fans will be from Prince's fan base.

I believe the Original7ven will always be seen as the former Time group, because of their association with Prince in the past, regardless of the name change. Their image and type of music, may possibly remain more or less within the same realm of the former Time group, whereas Prince's music is constantly changing over the years, maintaining a sense of unpredictability, taking risks with it, and refusing to be pigeonholed into one genre, which has allowed him to provide more of a variety of music to his fans/audiences, and that alone has made him a more interesting and challenging musician/artist/performer.

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SoulAlive said:

Song of the day: "Cadillac" by the Original 7Ven

This song is really good, Love how it quotes the stick.

2elijah said:

I'm going to agree with Graycap23 and FunkDr, because I think some folks have lost their sense of reality. There's really no competition between the two, to be honest.

Original7ven aka The Time, are who they are because of Prince. Even with the name change. Same members, style of appearance, different name, but technically still "The Time". I think their music style will be similar to the former 'Time' and they will probably use similar comedic gestures and characterizations of themselves as performers on stage, especially Morris and Jerome, which fans often associate with members of the former 'Time'. No I haven't listened to the entire album yet, but the titles alone are a giveaway to what I can expect, and so far quite a few fans seem to like the cd.

Don't get me wrong, this is not to put the group down, as I like the group, always have, but it would take them 2 lifetimes to catch up with Prince's catalogue, which they shouldn't even be compared to starting out as the "Original7ven"with their own music. Prior to that, in the 80s they were a 'bite from Prince's music and career' and under their new name, just like in the 80s, many of their fans will be from Prince's fan base.

I believe the Original7ven will always be seen as the former Time group, because of their association with Prince in the past, regardless of the name change. Their image and type of music, may possibly remain more or less within the same realm of the former Time group, whereas Prince's music is constantly changing over the years, maintaining a sense of unpredictability, taking risks with it, and refusing to be pigeonholed into one genre, which has allowed him to provide more of a variety of music to his fans/audiences, and that alone has made him a more interesting and challenging musician/artist/performer.

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This is right on point. This is a great CD and I hope it does well but keep in mind that this group has kept you waiting 21 years for new music. We're going to devour it because we're hungry for it. If any artist you followed made you wait that long for a CD you'd have the same reaction to it's release. Some of the songs are totally killer and some are totally filler. Keep it in perspective. Prince has done far more than 14 songs in the past 21 years that match if not outshine these tracks.

FunkDr said:

So The Time / O7ven release their first album in c. 20yrs and all of a sudden they're outdoing Prince ? HA !!!

how many great songs and tours has Prince done in that time? HECKASTACKS !!

If Prince released this song he would be slammed for it - lazy lyrics (basically naming car manufacturers and repeating chants from old songs) over synth lines and funk guitar that he / they were doing in the '80's !!

Because The Time have no substance or depth to their music - it is usually just great/silly fun songs to bob your head to - it is instant and easier to like from the off - like fast food !

They are and never have been even close to being in Prince's sphere in ANY field - songwriting, singing, musicianship, live performance. They are good live and I have seen them live ...it was FUN... but they are never going to take you places that Prince does live. He is in a different galaxy compared to their fooling around to what are essentially simple n fun songs.

Yes, I know that Prince has said that they were the only live band he feared but c'mon - he was hyping them - the more they sold, the more $ for P ! For 1 night only, to the casual observer, they might seem close - again it is because they are easier to absorb both visually and musically - nothing challenging !! Whereas Prince, through '80-'83 was often a "WTF was that ?" experience - a total headfunk !! Once you've seen the Time live, you've seen 'em !

Just enjoy both for what they are - but please let's keep a little perspective on where both sit in the pantheons of music !!

Now, I'm off to get me a lil' condensation !!

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[Edited 10/20/11 2:18am]

Very interesting points FunkDr. My inner Prince fan is feeling where you are coming from to an extent, but, c'mon... Prince music isn't deep. At his zenith it was SEX, SEX, SEX. Then it became crying-over-disgruntled-gold-diggers, music-to-listen-to-while-reading-his-watchtower, and race-baiting-fight-the-hollywood-lawyers mantras. Lately it's basically fcuk-the-internet tracks and castrated-vault-material from his heydey. Look..

I believe Prince, is a superior, but very selfish artist, and that's why so many of his projects are unlistenable to the common music lover. His stuff get's incredibly idiosyncratic, and at at certain point, commercial music is meant to be enjoyed by the listener/ end-user. So in that sense if you can't enjoy what Prince is doing, then his strength has become a weakness and as such he becomes WORST than everyone else, not BETTER. He really needs to tailor his music in a way that is sensitive to the experience of the buyers. In my experience most of his catalog is a turn-off for most people. So he isn't heads and shoulders above The Time simply because they are accessible and he is not.

I also can't take credit AWAY from The Time for not having new releases over so long a period because Prince blocked them from coming back out through a series of broken promises about REUNION tours with him and other deals that fell apart on his end, so he ultimately was unable to follow through with The Time.

But the stage is set for a REAL LIFE Purple Rain style battle. Because just like in the fictional Purple Rain world, The Time are on stage killing it with infectious, digestible, headbangers. Prince, I don't believe, based on his last 15 years or so of material, can top it. If anything rather than battle, Prince should utilize the talents of that production team. The Time are his brothers. I would like to see them work together.

FunkDr said:

that's my point Nouveau - he has and when he has, he gets slammed on here for it - e.g. 20Ten album.

Yeah, but the Time-O7even-whatever aren't pretending to be anything but a feel-good party band. Prince tries to get deep and sometimes he succeeds, but he's set up his mythology to be a serious artist and a mystical guru/spiritual leader/horse-shitter. The Time and Prince are like apples and oranges. The Time do what they do and they would sound ridiculous doing anything else. Prince sounds like he doesn't even know what HE wants to do/say, much less what the fans want, (not that he's interested in what the fans want cuz HE'S the trendsetter in his mythology).

WTF? Did I actually post something on prince.org?

Also, the O7even dudes thank Prince for the lessons and the beginning in their liner notes. Maybe there's more to the name thing than we know and maybe Prince wasn't being a douche for once. Who knows?

steakfinger said:

FunkDr said:

that's my point Nouveau - he has and when he has, he gets slammed on here for it - e.g. 20Ten album.

Yeah, but the Time-O7even-whatever aren't pretending to be anything but a feel-good party band. Prince tries to get deep and sometimes he succeeds, but he's set up his mythology to be a serious artist and a mystical guru/spiritual leader/horse-shitter. The Time and Prince are like apples and oranges. The Time do what they do and they would sound ridiculous doing anything else. Prince sounds like he doesn't even know what HE wants to do/say, much less what the fans want, (not that he's interested in what the fans want cuz HE'S the trendsetter in his mythology).

WTF? Did I actually post something on prince.org?

The thing is, the Original7ven will never really be able to disassociate their image from Prince, and I think that is the reason they are even remembered today, because of their past association with Prince back in the 80s. Most of their fans will be because of Prince, because that is where the majority of their fans have and will come from--from Prince's fan base, and the fact that they thanked him in their liner notes, shows they are grateful and appreciate that, and that's a good thing. I think they'll be alright.

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paisleypark4 said:

U all are looking way too much into this.

I'm not. Prince is doing his thing, "The Time" are still doing theirs. It's definitely no competition and as far as I know from "The Time", also no hard feelings toward Prince and I doubt Prince has hard feelings toward them. Forget him keeping them from using "The Time", it was always known as "Prince's pet project" anyways and the guys from "The Time" have learned a lot from his guidance and leadership so let's just dead it.

Timmy84 said:

paisleypark4 said:

U all are looking way too much into this.

I'm not. Prince is doing his thing, "The Time" are still doing theirs. It's definitely no competition and as far as I know from "The Time", also no hard feelings toward Prince and I doubt Prince has hard feelings toward them. Forget him keeping them from using "The Time", it was always known as "Prince's pet project" anyways and the guys from "The Time" have learned a lot from his guidance and leadership so let's just dead it.

Agree.

Timmy84 said:

paisleypark4 said:

U all are looking way too much into this.

I'm not. Prince is doing his thing, "The Time" are still doing theirs. It's definitely no competition and as far as I know from "The Time", also no hard feelings toward Prince and I doubt Prince has hard feelings toward them. Forget him keeping them from using "The Time", it was always known as "Prince's pet project" anyways and the guys from "The Time" have learned a lot from his guidance and leadership so let's just dead it.

It's interesting...I think it was Jimmy Jam who said in an interview a few days ago that it's ultimately for the best that P didn't allow them to use the name because it freed them from past constraints and forced them out of the box. I think that's the most positive way to look at it going forward and Condensate is outstanding.

It would be wrong to compare careers but if it was just between 20ten and Condensate only, then I'd say the O7 smoked him this time.

To me, it's all in fun though...perhaps another great rivalry will be born.

babynoz said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm not. Prince is doing his thing, "The Time" are still doing theirs. It's definitely no competition and as far as I know from "The Time", also no hard feelings toward Prince and I doubt Prince has hard feelings toward them. Forget him keeping them from using "The Time", it was always known as "Prince's pet project" anyways and the guys from "The Time" have learned a lot from his guidance and leadership so let's just dead it.

It's interesting...I think it was Jimmy Jam who said in an interview a few days ago that it's ultimately for the best that P didn't allow them to use the name because it freed them from past constraints and forced them out of the box. I think that's the most positive way to look at it going forward and Condensate is outstanding.

It would be wrong to compare careers but if it was just between 20ten and Condensate only, then I'd say the O7 smoked him this time.

To me, it's all in fun though...perhaps another great rivalry will be born.

Yessssssssssssssssssssss

I'm gonna go out on a line here and say, I think 'Condensate' is a better album than any Prince has put out in the past several years.

To clarify, I think each one of Prince's recent albums has two or three outstanding tracks that are better than anything on 'Condensate'.

But as far as start-to-finish albums go, this one is way more solid, and consistent. The highs are terrific and the lows don't make me cringe as much as my least favorite on the past five or six Prince albums.

Stripped down, basic, funky, simple catchy.

Just my opinion. I love Prince, but I am REALLY surprised how much I'm digging this O7en album.

alxndrstff said:

SoulAlive said:

Song of the day: "Cadillac" by the Original 7Ven

If Prince had released that, it would have taken an absolute pounding on here.

It's a good song.

[Edited 10/20/11 14:52pm]

dustoff said:

I'm gonna go out on a line here and say, I think 'Condensate' is a better album than any Prince has put out in the past several years.

To clarify, I think each one of Prince's recent albums has two or three outstanding tracks that are better than anything on 'Condensate'.

But as far as start-to-finish albums go, this one is way more solid, and consistent. The highs are terrific and the lows don't make me cringe as much as my least favorite on the past five or six Prince albums.

Stripped down, basic, funky, simple catchy.

Just my opinion. I love Prince, but I am REALLY surprised how much I'm digging this O7en album.

I can see where you're comin' from.I enjoy Condensate alot more than the last three Prince albums.It's just alot more fun.....catchy,funky with a party vibe.I don't always hear that on Prince's recent albums.

wonder505 said:

NouveauDance said:

Yeah, Prince better delivery because right now he's being outshone by both fDeluxe and Original 7. Whoops!

i don't know about FDeluxe (i'm one of the few not feeling that cd at all but still seeing them on the 29th)

Yeah, I'm right there with ya. I'm not feeling their new album either. "Condensate" completely destroys "Gaslight", IMHO!

alexnvrmnd777 said:

"Condensate" completely destroys "Gaslight", IMHO!

Same here!......... In opposite world!

Hee-hee, good thing we got both, eh.

Condensate is funkier than anything Prince has done in a long time.

It always did take 7 of them to beat one of him

<--drankin grape tang kool aid, welches grape soda, fanta grape, and Crush grape

smoothcriminal12 said:

Condensate is funkier than anything Prince has done in a long time.

Well in all fairness, this is seven collaborating musicians versus one man, but yeah, damn this cd is hot!!!

smoothcriminal12 said:

Condensate is funkier than anything Prince has done in a long time.

One year isn't a long time.

NeonCraxx said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Condensate is funkier than anything Prince has done in a long time.

One year isn't a long time.

One year!? Nothing Prince released on 20Ten, Lotus/MPL, Planet Earth, 3121, or any other recent albums are funkier than Condensate.

smoothcriminal12 said:

NeonCraxx said:

One year isn't a long time.

One year!? Nothing Prince released on 20Ten, Lotus/MPL, Planet Earth, 3121, or any other recent albums are funkier than Condensate.

what about within the last 21 years?

smoothcriminal12 said:

NeonCraxx said:

One year isn't a long time.

One year!? Nothing Prince released on 20Ten, Lotus/MPL, Planet Earth, 3121, or any other recent albums are funkier than Condensate.

..........

Again, one year isn't a long time.

wonder505 said:

what about within the last 21 years?

Tripping, you are.

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