smoothcriminal12 said:

NeonCraxx said:

One year isn't a long time.

One year!? Nothing Prince released on 20Ten, Lotus/MPL, Planet Earth, 3121, or any other recent albums are funkier than Condensate.

That might be because Prince has never put out a Funk Album. There may be albums with some funky stuff on there. Just like there'd be straight up rock songs, slow jams, etc.

Condensate is a cool album. I'm glad the guys are out there doing there own thing, but let's not go crazy.

This happened when Jesse's album came out last year. A whole lot of people were saying "This is better and funkier than anything Prince has put out in years".

It was a great album, if you only listened to the 1st Disc.

I think people who listened to the 2nd Disc are just now waking up from their comas!

NeonCraxx said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

..........

Again, one year isn't a long time.

wonder505 said:

what about within the last 21 years?

Tripping, you are.

[Edited 10/20/11 18:00pm]

I don't know what you're talking about with that "one year" stuff, cause I can't find anything.

smoothcriminal12 said:

I don't know what you're talking about with that "one year" stuff, cause I can't find anything.

Clearly, you're not looking hard enough.

If Prince focused or concentrated on only doing funk releases it would be no question but Prince has always chosen to write elements of pop, rock etc on his releases. Fuck is everyone talking about? Prince taught those cats how to be funky. Half that shit they did sounds like some Box Of Chocolates from MPLS that most were baggin' on as being trite/light.

NeonCraxx said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

..........

Again, one year isn't a long time.

wonder505 said:

what about within the last 21 years?

Tripping, you are.

[Edited 10/20/11 18:00pm]

I was actually making the point you are trying to get at.

NeonCraxx said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I don't know what you're talking about with that "one year" stuff, cause I can't find anything.

Clearly, you're not looking hard enough.

I looked. There wasn't anything there.

However, one thing that was great about 20Ten was the usage of the rhythm guitar.

rdhull said:

If Prince focused or concentrated on only doing funk releases it would be no question but Prince has always chosen to write elements of pop, rock etc on his releases. Fuck is everyone talking about? Prince taught those cats how to be funky. Half that shit they did sounds like some Box Of Chocolates from MPLS that most were baggin' on as being trite/light.

Um....

wonder505 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

One year!? Nothing Prince released on 20Ten, Lotus/MPL, Planet Earth, 3121, or any other recent albums are funkier than Condensate.

what about within the last 21 years?

Hide The Bone

smoothcriminal12 said:

rdhull said:

If Prince focused or concentrated on only doing funk releases it would be no question but Prince has always chosen to write elements of pop, rock etc on his releases. Fuck is everyone talking about? Prince taught those cats how to be funky. Half that shit they did sounds like some Box Of Chocolates from MPLS that most were baggin' on as being trite/light.

Um....

Strawberry Lake, Trendin'...

everybody heralding this shit like they created/resurrected Jaimie Starr

fuck outta here

Beginning Enlessly.

Tell me otherwise.

rdhull said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Um....

Strawberry Lake, Trendin'...

everybody heralding this shit like they created/resurrected Jaimie Starr

fuck outta here

Some of the songs aren't the greatest but there are some gems on here. Like most Prince albums recently...

smoothcriminal12 said:

rdhull said:

Strawberry Lake, Trendin'...

everybody heralding this shit like they created/resurrected Jaimie Starr

fuck outta here

Some of the songs aren't the greatest but there are some gems on here. Like most Prince albums recently...

See how youre changing your stance already?

rdhull said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Some of the songs aren't the greatest but there are some gems on here. Like most Prince albums recently...

See how youre changing your stance already?

RIGHT?!

[Edited 10/20/11 18:14pm]

NeonCraxx said:

Beginning Enlessly.

Tell me otherwise.

I love that song but it's too....watered down. Not quite there...

But Musicology is pretty damn close!

rdhull said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Some of the songs aren't the greatest but there are some gems on here. Like most Prince albums recently...

See how youre changing your stance already?

Changing my stance? No. All I said was that Condensate is funkier Prince's recent songs. Stop putting words in my mouth.

smoothcriminal12 said:

rdhull said:

See how youre changing your stance already?

Changing my stance? No. All I said was that Condensate is funkier Prince's recent songs.

Okay, sure

rdhull said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Changing my stance? No. All I said was that Condensate is funkier Prince's recent songs.

Okay, sure

It is though.

To be honest though. I'm on my 5th listen since buying it this evening and these songs don't really sound like the type of songs Prince would sing. This CD is defined for the guys, that's the genius of Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, always making sure to produce so that the music is their own. This is definately a more mature sound Time. I don't really see a Prince comparison. That's just my two cents. The only one that comes close maybe is Toast to the Party Girl.

smoothcriminal12 said:

rdhull said:

Okay, sure

It is though.

I was talking about the song BTW.

Well, Prince may get the chance to silence all of us critics. Doc Funkenberry tweeted this morning that "aside from Dance 4 Me being re-released w/ new mixes, Prince is recording now so new music will be here sooner than we think."

Man, I love these times. Great music by real musicians. Bring it Prince!

I swear, I don't see what's so fun about this. But I ain't gonna be a Debbie Downer so y'all keep on funkin' I guess.

wonder505 said:

To be honest though. I'm on my 5th listen since buying it this evening and these songs don't really sound like the type of songs Prince would sing. This CD is defined for the guys, that's the genius of Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, always making sure to produce so that the music is their own. This is definately a more mature sound Time. I don't really see a Prince comparison. That's just my two cents. The only one that comes close maybe is Toast to the Party Girl.

You ain't neva lied. That's why I was telling Timmy what Jimmy Jam said in the interview. The fellas ain't no slouches and we know Jimmy and Terry ain't no strangers to hit records either,

Timmy84 said:

I swear, I don't see what's so fun about this. But I ain't gonna be a Debbie Downer so y'all keep on funkin' I guess.

I don't mean fun in making a lot of comparisons about who's better. I meant fun in a battle of the bands kind of way, like in PR.

funksterr said:

Prince music isn't deep. At his zenith it was SEX, SEX, SEX. Then it became crying-over-disgruntled-gold-diggers, music-to-listen-to-while-reading-his-watchtower, and race-baiting-fight-the-hollywood-lawyers mantras. Lately it's basically fcuk-the-internet tracks and castrated-vault-material from his heydey. Look..

I believe Prince, is a superior, but very selfish artist, and that's why so many of his projects are unlistenable to the common music lover. His stuff get's incredibly idiosyncratic, and at at certain point, commercial music is meant to be enjoyed by the listener/ end-user. So in that sense if you can't enjoy what Prince is doing, then his strength has become a weakness and as such he becomes WORST than everyone else, not BETTER.

Your statement, "At his zenith it was SEX, SEX, SEX," proves that either you were not truly listening or just could not comprehend the layers of commentary of Prince's work. If you check Prince: A Pop Life, The Lyrics of Prince, or just truly analyze the double and triple metaphors of Prince's work, you would realize that Prince's discussion of sex was a discussion of human neurosis. Where other artists were using objects and images as metaphors for sex, Prince was using sex as a metaphor to discuss human longing for completion. As he, himself, stated, "More than being just about sex, my songs are about longing and the need for connection." You do realize that "Sexuality" is a socio-political song about liberation from hypocritical and prescribed social norms? Of course "Party Up" is an anti-war song. You do know that "Baby" is a very subtle and smart song about unexpectant pregnancy with a male speaker accepting full responsibility to be a father. "Ronnie Talk to Russia," yeah, that's sex, sex, sex. "When Doves Cry," a haunting song about how coming from a dysfunctional family hinders one's ability to develop healthy relationships, yeah, that's sex, sex, sex. "Uptown" is another commentary on individuality, and years later he was reaffirming that with "Walk, Don't Walk" and countless other songs. Even a song like "Little Red Corvette" provides a look into the schizophrenic male mentality as the speaker is not sure if he wants to sex or save the female. He warns her about going too fast, but then only wants her to slow down so that he has the chance to drive her. "Free" is about being thankful for living in a place where one has the freedom to speak one's mind but also asserts that people must continue to fight for these freedoms or they can be lost. Yeah, that's more sex, sex, sex. The entire Around the World in a Day album is about anything but sex for sex sake where even a song like "Tambourine," which is about masturbation, uses masturbation as a metaphor for the unfulfilled life that one unsuccessfully attempts to escape through sex, which climaxes, pun intended, with "Temptation" when we hear that love and lust are different and that we cannot sex our way to inner peace. It may not be high philosophy, but it does have depth, especially in a society where so many people do use sex like another drug. “America” anyone? “Sign ‘O” the Times”? Just listing these last two songs causes me to question if you really are a Prince fan. And what I love about "Colonized Mind" is that while his religious beliefs have become more traditional his F-the world attitude has not, challenging all those who think that he has been brainwashed by asking if they are actually the ones who have been brainwashed. Agree with his stance or not, it is still F-the world. I could provide many more examples, but I'm sure that my examples would be too idiosyncratic or obtuse for you to understand.

*

And as for your "race-baiting" comment, I'll just file you under the many former fans who feel betrayed because a black man has the nerve to discuss issues that affect the black community. I mean, how dare he? Who does he think he is to create art from a "black" perspective? Why would any black person dare to create art that seeks to uplift and champion the beauty and causes of black people? Yep, he must be a "race-baiting" hate monger. Or is that in your assumption of life a black person is only worth something when he is trying to be as less black as possible?

*

So, while Prince's work may seem idiosyncratic or obtuse to someone who doesn’t think that commercial art should make us think, I prefer his method to the mind numbing stuff that is called art.

The lengths fans won't go to in order to create something that looks like excitement in Princeland. Conflict, Chaos, & Disorder...

1725topp said:

funksterr said:

Prince music isn't deep. At his zenith it was SEX, SEX, SEX. Then it became crying-over-disgruntled-gold-diggers, music-to-listen-to-while-reading-his-watchtower, and race-baiting-fight-the-hollywood-lawyers mantras. Lately it's basically fcuk-the-internet tracks and castrated-vault-material from his heydey. Look..

I believe Prince, is a superior, but very selfish artist, and that's why so many of his projects are unlistenable to the common music lover. His stuff get's incredibly idiosyncratic, and at at certain point, commercial music is meant to be enjoyed by the listener/ end-user. So in that sense if you can't enjoy what Prince is doing, then his strength has become a weakness and as such he becomes WORST than everyone else, not BETTER.

Your statement, "At his zenith it was SEX, SEX, SEX," proves that either you were not truly listening or just could not comprehend the layers of commentary of Prince's work. If you check Prince: A Pop Life, The Lyrics of Prince, or just truly analyze the double and triple metaphors of Prince's work, you would realize that Prince's discussion of sex was a discussion of human neurosis. Where other artists were using objects and images as metaphors for sex, Prince was using sex as a metaphor to discuss human longing for completion. As he, himself, stated, "More than being just about sex, my songs are about longing and the need for connection." You do realize that "Sexuality" is a socio-political song about liberation from hypocritical and prescribed social norms? Of course "Party Up" is an anti-war song. You do know that "Baby" is a very subtle and smart song about unexpectant pregnancy with a male speaker accepting full responsibility to be a father. "Ronnie Talk to Russia," yeah, that's sex, sex, sex. "When Doves Cry," a haunting song about how coming from a dysfunctional family hinders one's ability to develop healthy relationships, yeah, that's sex, sex, sex. "Uptown" is another commentary on individuality, and years later he was reaffirming that with "Walk, Don't Walk" and countless other songs. Even a song like "Little Red Corvette" provides a look into the schizophrenic male mentality as the speaker is not sure if he wants to sex or save the female. He warns her about going too fast, but then only wants her to slow down so that he has the chance to drive her. "Free" is about being thankful for living in a place where one has the freedom to speak one's mind but also asserts that people must continue to fight for these freedoms or they can be lost. Yeah, that's more sex, sex, sex. The entire Around the World in a Day album is about anything but sex for sex sake where even a song like "Tambourine," which is about masturbation, uses masturbation as a metaphor for the unfulfilled life that one unsuccessfully attempts to escape through sex, which climaxes, pun intended, with "Temptation" when we hear that love and lust are different and that we cannot sex our way to inner peace. It may not be high philosophy, but it does have depth, especially in a society where so many people do use sex like another drug. “America” anyone? “Sign ‘O” the Times”? Just listing these last two songs causes me to question if you really are a Prince fan. And what I love about "Colonized Mind" is that while his religious beliefs have become more traditional his F-the world attitude has not, challenging all those who think that he has been brainwashed by asking if they are actually the ones who have been brainwashed. Agree with his stance or not, it is still F-the world. I could provide many more examples, but I'm sure that my examples would be too idiosyncratic or obtuse for you to understand.

*

And as for your "race-baiting" comment, I'll just file you under the many former fans who feel betrayed because a black man has the nerve to discuss issues that affect the black community. I mean, how dare he? Who does he think he is to create art from a "black" perspective? Why would any black person dare to create art that seeks to uplift and champion the beauty and causes of black people? Yep, he must be a "race-baiting" hate monger. Or is that in your assumption of life a black person is only worth something when he is trying to be as less black as possible?

*

So, while Prince's work may seem idiosyncratic or obtuse to someone who doesn’t think that commercial art should make us think, I prefer his method to the mind numbing stuff that is called art.

Damn. Who ARE you, and why don't you post more?

The Original 7ven

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alxndrstff said:

SoulAlive said:

Song of the day: "Cadillac" by the Original 7Ven

If Prince had released that, it would have taken an absolute pounding on here.

Not from me, that's the kind of thing that I like. Oh well.

1725topp said:

funksterr said:

Prince music isn't deep. At his zenith it was SEX, SEX, SEX. Then it became crying-over-disgruntled-gold-diggers, music-to-listen-to-while-reading-his-watchtower, and race-baiting-fight-the-hollywood-lawyers mantras. Lately it's basically fcuk-the-internet tracks and castrated-vault-material from his heydey. Look..

I believe Prince, is a superior, but very selfish artist, and that's why so many of his projects are unlistenable to the common music lover. His stuff get's incredibly idiosyncratic, and at at certain point, commercial music is meant to be enjoyed by the listener/ end-user. So in that sense if you can't enjoy what Prince is doing, then his strength has become a weakness and as such he becomes WORST than everyone else, not BETTER.

Your statement, "At his zenith it was SEX, SEX, SEX," proves that either you were not truly listening or just could not comprehend the layers of commentary of Prince's work. If you check Prince: A Pop Life, The Lyrics of Prince, or just truly analyze the double and triple metaphors of Prince's work, you would realize that Prince's discussion of sex was a discussion of human neurosis. Where other artists were using objects and images as metaphors for sex, Prince was using sex as a metaphor to discuss human longing for completion. As he, himself, stated, "More than being just about sex, my songs are about longing and the need for connection." You do realize that "Sexuality" is a socio-political song about liberation from hypocritical and prescribed social norms? Of course "Party Up" is an anti-war song. You do know that "Baby" is a very subtle and smart song about unexpectant pregnancy with a male speaker accepting full responsibility to be a father. "Ronnie Talk to Russia," yeah, that's sex, sex, sex. "When Doves Cry," a haunting song about how coming from a dysfunctional family hinders one's ability to develop healthy relationships, yeah, that's sex, sex, sex. "Uptown" is another commentary on individuality, and years later he was reaffirming that with "Walk, Don't Walk" and countless other songs. Even a song like "Little Red Corvette" provides a look into the schizophrenic male mentality as the speaker is not sure if he wants to sex or save the female. He warns her about going too fast, but then only wants her to slow down so that he has the chance to drive her. "Free" is about being thankful for living in a place where one has the freedom to speak one's mind but also asserts that people must continue to fight for these freedoms or they can be lost. Yeah, that's more sex, sex, sex. The entire Around the World in a Day album is about anything but sex for sex sake where even a song like "Tambourine," which is about masturbation, uses masturbation as a metaphor for the unfulfilled life that one unsuccessfully attempts to escape through sex, which climaxes, pun intended, with "Temptation" when we hear that love and lust are different and that we cannot sex our way to inner peace. It may not be high philosophy, but it does have depth, especially in a society where so many people do use sex like another drug. “America” anyone? “Sign ‘O” the Times”? Just listing these last two songs causes me to question if you really are a Prince fan. And what I love about "Colonized Mind" is that while his religious beliefs have become more traditional his F-the world attitude has not, challenging all those who think that he has been brainwashed by asking if they are actually the ones who have been brainwashed. Agree with his stance or not, it is still F-the world. I could provide many more examples, but I'm sure that my examples would be too idiosyncratic or obtuse for you to understand.

*

And as for your "race-baiting" comment, I'll just file you under the many former fans who feel betrayed because a black man has the nerve to discuss issues that affect the black community. I mean, how dare he? Who does he think he is to create art from a "black" perspective? Why would any black person dare to create art that seeks to uplift and champion the beauty and causes of black people? Yep, he must be a "race-baiting" hate monger. Or is that in your assumption of life a black person is only worth something when he is trying to be as less black as possible?

*

So, while Prince's work may seem idiosyncratic or obtuse to someone who doesn’t think that commercial art should make us think, I prefer his method to the mind numbing stuff that is called art.

This just may be the best post I've read on this forum.

NeonCraxx said:

Beginning Enlessly.

Tell me otherwise.

Beginning Enlessly?.... Ewwwwwwwwww!